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A First Look At The Early Primaries [Part 2]

[ Posted Tuesday, August 7th, 2007 – 15:35 UTC ]

[This is the second part of a two-part article. The first part ran yesterday, and looked at the plausible scenarios for Democrats in the early primaries.]

 

OK, on to the Republican race. For this race, I am first going to provide you with polling data from all the early primary states, and then (just because it's easier for me to stomach), I'm going to address the question of: Which GOP presidential candidate would be the best for any generic Democratic candidate to run against? In other words: Who are Democratic partisans going to be rooting for to win the GOP nomination?

Republicans, it should be noted, are pretty dispirited going into this campaign. They feel the weight of the Iraq fiasco, they feel the weight of the fact that they've got a pretty disappointing field, and they feel the weight of President Bush dragging them ever downwards. In other words, Republicans are not happy campers when they think about the 2008 campaign.

Which will most likely lead them to the same calculation Democrats were making four years ago -- which candidate is most electable? Especially against Hillary. Or Barack. Or even Edwards. That's a cold political calculation to make, and it certainly won't be easy for Republican primary voters to make, considering the field.

Unfortunately, their crash program to clone Ronald Reagan hit a snag called George W. Bush. Not only did he not live up to his "the next Reagan" promise, but he then subsequently restricted stem cell research, which could have led to cloning techniques to revivify Saint Ronald of Reagan.

Ahem.

What I meant to say was "Let's look at the polls." Nationally, Rudy Giuliani has a fair-sized lead at this point. Fred Thompson (who hasn't even announced) is running a comfortable second. This is not good news for John McCain or Mitt Romney, running respectively third and fourth.

The Republican primary schedule is different than the Democrats'. Iowa caucuses first, then Nevada. New Hampshire and Wyoming are currently set to hold a primary on the same day (see note under Wyoming heading). Then South Carolina, Florida, and Maine in quick succession before Super Duper Tsunami Tuesday (SDTT). A quick run through the state polling data (these are aggregate averages):

 

Iowa
Romney -- 24.0
Giuliani -- 16.3
Thompson -- 13.3
McCain -- 11.7

 

Nevada
Thompson -- 25
Romney -- 20
Giuliani -- 17
McCain -- 8

 

New Hampshire
Romney -- 29.0
Giuliani -- 22.0
McCain -- 13.3
Thompson -- 12.3

 

Wyoming
The state of Wyoming (hello Equality Staters, or perhaps I should say Cowboy Staters?) has rashly passed a law to move their Republican presidential primary up to (and I quote) "the same day as New Hampshire's primary." Democrats were smarter, and refused to move their primary up past SDTT. Because by doing so legislatively, Wyoming risks opening a time-space vortex. The reason I say this is that New Hampshire's primary calendar states "our primary will precede all other state primaries by two weeks."

You can easily spot the temporal paradox in these two laws. Does not compute. One state says "our primary will be two weeks before anyone else" and yet another state says "our primary will be on the same day," and the possibilities for opening a rift in the space-time continuum is just too great to ignore. Myself, I personally plan to be as far as I can be from Green Bay, Wisconsin (the approximate geographic midpoint between the two states) the entire month of January next year.

All kidding aside, Wyoming poll data seems to be completely non-existent. This is completely understandable, seeing as how the county I grew up in had more people in it than the state of Wyoming. Anyone who can provide accurate polling data for the state of Wyoming (either party) will earn my undying respect, at this point.

Which means that handicapping it is worthless. There is no data to handicap, in other words, so fill in the blanks for which Republican wins this race on your own. Ultimately, it probably won't influence the outcome of the nomination all that much.

 

South Carolina
Giuliani -- 25.7
Thompson -- 23.0
McCain -- 12.3
Romney -- 7.3

 

Florida
Giuliani -- 26.5
Thompson -- 21.0
McCain -- 10.3
Romney -- 10.3

 

Maine
This is a somewhat dated poll, from 4/24/07. Maine polling data is also hard to find -- sorry, Pine Tree Staters.

Giuliani -- 24
McCain -- 21
Romney -- 12
Thompson -- 9

 

So, entering SDTT, and admitting that Wyoming seems to be up for grabs, here's how the four candidates will do (assuming the polling doesn't change, which of course, it will):

Giuliani -- 3 wins; 2 second-place; 1 third-place
Romney -- 2 wins; 1 second; 1 third; 2 fourth
Thompson -- 1 win; 2 second; 1 third, 2 fourth
McCain -- 1 second; 3 third; 2 fourth

This does not bode well for John McCain, who may not even make it to SDTT. Romney's betting on winning Iowa and New Hampshire and declaring himself the unbeatable frontrunner. He may even win Nevada as well, drawing on the Mormon vote to do so. Giuliani does better the closer you get to New York City, though, and we may enter SDTT with a two-man race between Romney and Giuliani.

Republican voters, it should be noted, are much better about lining up behind a presumptive nominee very early in the race. Historically, Republicans usually have settled on a nominee before Democrats. What this means in this race is anyone's guess, but you can bet Romney is aware of this history.

 

Sizing up the field

But what I really wanted to explore is which Republican it would be better for any Democratic candidate to run against -- who would be easiest to beat?

Luckily, all the Republican candidates are weak in one way or another. And not just weak heading into the general election (where the moderates and independents in the middle are courted by both sides) but they're all weak in the primary among their own conservative base.

Conservatives may stay home in droves this election as a result. One can only hope.

Looking at them one at a time:

McCain painted himself into a corner, by trying to be a "maverick" and the "heir apparent" at the same time. He has largely moved away from his "maverick" position, backing President Bush up to the hilt on Iraq, and campaigning for Bush during the '04 election. But conservatives have longer memories than most of the American electorate, and McCain has committed several unforgivable sins in their eyes. He was part of the McCain/Feingold election reform law. He actually was against torture (I can't believe I just typed that, but it is true that conservatives hold this against him). And, the final nail in the coffin of his campaign: he recently supported Bush's immigration reform effort. McCain would be fairly easy to run against, but Democrats probably won't get to do so, since I predict that McCain will be the first to get out of the race.

Giuliani would be a joy to run against. He's got so much history as Mayor of New York City that most of the country just isn't aware of -- and it would be so, so easy to dig this stuff up and run attack ads. There is a wealth of "Here's why Rudy shouldn't be President" material out there, and the ads just about write themselves. Republican voters are conveniently ignoring this history, the way they are conveniently ignoring his well-documented post-9/11 flaws. Democrats would not be ignoring these, they would be using them as campaign ad ammo.

Romney would be tough to run against for a few reasons. He's young, for one, and when you see his shining face among McCain, Giuliani, and Thompson, it shows up in a big way. The voters want "change" this election, and his youthfulness would be harder to run against than the others. It would also be tough for Democrats to attack him, since they would shy away from using his religion against him (other Republican candidates may not be so gentlemanly -- watch South Carolina closely for such attacks). Romney is also from a very liberal state, where he was governor, and that may appeal to moderates and the middle-of-the-road crowd, come next November.

But for my money, Fred Thompson would be the hardest Republican to run against -- if he runs the right type of campaign. Now, Fred Thompson so far shows no sign of competence in running a campaign (he was going to announce on July 4th, remember?), but that may change. But if he can successfully use the Ronald Reagan Playbook to campaign, he would be a formidable opponent. He's basically an empty vessel, at this point, which is why conservatives are flocking to him before he even announces. They are free to believe that he's "one of them" and shares their values (whatever that means). And, like Ronald Reagan, he knows how to stand on his mark, deliver his lines in his soothing stentorian voice, and smile for the cameras while doing so. Sincerity is famously the ultimate weapon in politics -- once you can fake that, you've got it made. And Thompson might be able to pull it off successfully. Many people scoff at a Thompson candidacy, pointing out how light his experience is and how he doesn't work very hard at being a politician, but I am not so sanguine. I remember everyone thinking the same thoughts about Reagan, and we got two terms of him.

While you are free to disagree (many do) -- I would list the Republicans in order of who Democrats should want to run against as: McCain, Giuliani, Romney, and Thompson.

 

-- Chris Weigant

 

8 Comments on “A First Look At The Early Primaries [Part 2]”

  1. [1] 
    Michale wrote:

    Your hope that conservatives will "stay home in droves" may be dashed by the upbeat news coming out of WDC and Iraq...

    Multiple reports from independent sources clearly indicate the Surge is working.

    Though you know my feelings about polls, the simple fact is many people of lesser intelligence puts their stock in what the polls say.. And the poll numbers for Bush's Presidency is going up (34% up from 29%) and the numbers for "The Surge Is Working" have gone from 31% to 45% or thereabouts..

    Once again, the Democrats are put into the position of hoping that things go bad for the US.. That more troops get killed and things like that...

    What a sad, sad commentary for the Democrats that they must pin their hopes on BAD things happening to this country in order to politically survive...

    Michale.....

  2. [2] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    Michale -

    I also have a healthy mistrust of polls, which is why I haven't written a whole lot of articles like these two. But sometimes ya just gotta...

    "There are three types of lies -- a lie, a damned lie, and statistics."
    - Mark Twain

    I bet the Dems will roll with the changes if Iraq truly does start sprouting flowers, though. I've been thinking for a while now something that others seem to be missing: what would happen if the Dems actually DID force Bush to get out of Iraq in six months? What would happen if Iraq was in the midst of a bloodbath RIGHT DURING THE CAMPAIGN? It's a tough question for Democrats to answer, but they haven't been answering it -- because nobody's been asking them.

    Here are two articles you may be interested in. the first is a pretty indepth look at Iraq from the left's perspective (you won't agree with it, but if you're interested in how the other half thinks, it's a pretty rational case). The second is an interesting take on "maybe Iraq won't be the Big Issue in the election next year - maybe it will be the economy."

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/08/07/surge/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hale-stewart/warning-economy-may-beco_b_59365.html

    -CW

  3. [3] 
    Michale wrote:

    I read the articles.. Well, most of them.. Salon wouldn't let me get past the first page, but I got the gist of it...

    And you are right.. I don't agree with it.. But probably not for the reasons you think..

    In my opinion, the surge had one priority and one priority only.. SAVING AMERICAN LIVES... Once we start doing THAT, then we can turn our attentions to the political situation and make sure the croony of the hour is propped up..

    But first and foremost, we MUST stop the hemorrhaging of American lives... And, I believe that is what the American public has wanted too... I believe that the American public really don't give a rat's ass about the political situation in Iraq... One corrupt croony is just as good or as bad as the next corrupt croony.. But what the public DOESN'T want is to see our troops dying over there...

    Now, here's where I get cynical...

    The Left has been pushing and pushing to end the war, ostensibly to get our troops out of harms way... I say "ostensibly" because you and I both know that the Left doesn't give a rat's... ass??... about the troops. They just want to make Bush and the GOP look bad... (Present company excepted, of course)..

    So, anyways, here comes the "Bush Surge" and lo' and behold... The casualty count is going down... So, now the Left is in a quandary.. Quandary, hell.. They are in a flat out PANIC!! The surge is saving American Lives!!

    "Holy crap!!! The surge is working!!! NOW WHAT DO WE DO" wonders the Left...

    Wait... "We can still claim the surge is not working because it is not addressing the POLITICAL situation!! Yea... That's the ticket..."

    So, that is where I see the SALON article coming from... The Left has shifted to focus from the safety of our troops to the political situation in hopes of still painting the "Bush Surge" as a failure..

    But I think this will backfire on the Left and backfire BIG...

    Because, as I indicated, the US Public doesn't give a damn about the political situation. They just don't want their sons and daughters, their wives and husbands and their mothers and fathers to die in Iraq..

    If the Bush Surge can deliver this, then all the bellyaching and whining that the Left is going to do about the "political situation" in Iraq will, at BEST, fall on deaf ears.. At worst, it will deliver the 2008 elections, including the Presidency, to the GOP...

    Michale.....

  4. [4] 
    CDub wrote:

    If the goal of the surge is to save American lives, and the surge is succeeding, why are most months this year setting records for American fatalities?

    It's clear that the year is on track to be the bloodiest for American soldiers, are you sure there isn't some other goal?

  5. [5] 
    Michale wrote:

    >why are most months this year setting
    >records for American fatalities?

    The Bush Surge began around Jan 2007. During the 4 months or so, troops were still being moved into Baghdad. And US forces were stepping up their offensive operations against the insurgents, so naturally casualties would be higher..

    But recent activity has shown that the number of casualties is dropping. The insurgents are being beaten back and "pacified"...

    War is a very fluid situation and is impossible to predict accurately to every dotted 'T' or crossed 'I'..

    Come mid to end September, we will get our progress report and then we shall see what we shall see..

    Your Democrats in Congress of decided to support the war until then. Why can't you do the same??

    Michale.....

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    >are you sure there isn't some other goal?

    No, I am not sure.. But you seem to be sure there is...

    More partisan hatred rearing it's ugly head...

    Michale.....

  7. [7] 
    CDub wrote:

    Michale, are you a democrat?

    They desperately want me to become one, and you desperately want to pretend I am one. Partisan hatred? Where do you get this stuff?

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    Nope, I am not a Democrat. Nor am I a republican..

    I am a political agnostic.. "NO PARTY AFFILIATION" is my official designation..

    Michale.....

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