It would be really nice if the liberals of today WERE like what you mention..
Unfortunately, the "liberals" of today are simply pale carbon copies of the fanatical right "neo cons"..
I am more liberal than most everyone on here.. :D
Aside to CW... I said "MOST"!! :D
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Tuesday, August 28th, 2007 at 07:52 ]
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fstanley wrote:
What does it mean to be liberal today? I think we (liberals) need to take back this word. Symbols and images are so important today because the headline/soundbite is what grabs attention and is what is remembered.
....Stan
[ Permalink ] [ Tuesday, August 28th, 2007 at 09:50 ]
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CWCunningham wrote:
fstanley wrote:
What does it mean to be liberal today?
I think that's a good question. My understanding is vague at best but when I look at 4 slices of the political spectrum, they appear pretty strange to be sure.
First you got your conservatives who want lower taxes and smaller government. Those seem to be useful goals.
Then you've got your liberals who expect the government to deliver a better world, especially for the poor and the underrepresented, and they're willing to pay more in taxes to see these goals reached.
In my limited view, a good government lies between the tug of war between liberals and conservatives.
But then just to screw things up, you've got your neo-conservatives who want small government but a burgeoning military, and they don't care who pays for it, as long as it's not them.
And then out of the blue, I hear oppressed countries around the world complain about the neo-liberals. Essentially big money crushing indigenous groups to steal resources???
I'm having trouble telling neo-liberals from neo-conservatives. They both want something for nothing, and they expect the poor to foot the bill. Like different players on team fascism.
The sad truth from my perspective is that the "neo" factions are ruling the world and all the talk of 'liberal this' and 'conservative that' appears to be window dressing to keep the populace confused and at war with each other.
Tell me it ain't so,
- CWCunningham
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, August 29th, 2007 at 14:23 ]
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Michale wrote:
I coined the term, "Neo-Dems", but I like your "neo liberal" label better... :D
The simple fact is, as you indicate, the NEOs of this country are not so different in rhetoric or in deed...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, August 30th, 2007 at 09:49 ]
It would be really nice if the liberals of today WERE like what you mention..
Unfortunately, the "liberals" of today are simply pale carbon copies of the fanatical right "neo cons"..
I am more liberal than most everyone on here.. :D
Aside to CW... I said "MOST"!! :D
Michale.....
What does it mean to be liberal today? I think we (liberals) need to take back this word. Symbols and images are so important today because the headline/soundbite is what grabs attention and is what is remembered.
....Stan
fstanley wrote:
What does it mean to be liberal today?
I think that's a good question. My understanding is vague at best but when I look at 4 slices of the political spectrum, they appear pretty strange to be sure.
First you got your conservatives who want lower taxes and smaller government. Those seem to be useful goals.
Then you've got your liberals who expect the government to deliver a better world, especially for the poor and the underrepresented, and they're willing to pay more in taxes to see these goals reached.
In my limited view, a good government lies between the tug of war between liberals and conservatives.
But then just to screw things up, you've got your neo-conservatives who want small government but a burgeoning military, and they don't care who pays for it, as long as it's not them.
And then out of the blue, I hear oppressed countries around the world complain about the neo-liberals. Essentially big money crushing indigenous groups to steal resources???
I'm having trouble telling neo-liberals from neo-conservatives. They both want something for nothing, and they expect the poor to foot the bill. Like different players on team fascism.
The sad truth from my perspective is that the "neo" factions are ruling the world and all the talk of 'liberal this' and 'conservative that' appears to be window dressing to keep the populace confused and at war with each other.
Tell me it ain't so,
- CWCunningham
I coined the term, "Neo-Dems", but I like your "neo liberal" label better... :D
The simple fact is, as you indicate, the NEOs of this country are not so different in rhetoric or in deed...
Michale.....