Quick Update
[ Posted Tuesday, September 4th, 2012 – 16:46 UTC ]
Just a quick update as the Democratic National Convention gets rolling here.
I wrote a new article last week which is now appearing on the Huffington Post, but I don't have access to the text file of the article right now, nor do I have time to copy and paste and do a bunch of formatting. So all I have to offer is a link.
More on the convention later, although I warn everyone that the schedule here is so hectic that it may be until tomorrow before I get a chance to write about Tuesday's convention events.
More later…
-- Chris Weigant
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Holy crap!
I didn't realize things were THIS bad for Obama..
But if Obama is dissed THAT badly on a bastion of Obama Love such as HuffPo!???
Obama is going to be toast, come November!
Michale....
Obama’s Popularity Dips Underwater; For Romney, a Faint Favorability Bounce
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/obamas-popularity-dips-underwater-for-romney-a-faint-favorability-bounce/
And you KNOW it's bad for Obama when his personal popularity is going underwater..
Must be all that negative campaigning he is doing....
It's gonna be Romney by a landslide...
"You did it, kid!!! You won by a landlside!!!!
-Phil, HERCULES
I love that for Barack, there is no such thing as "us" and "them" – he doesn't care whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, or none of the above...he knows that we all love our country...and he's always ready to listen to good ideas...he's always looking for the very best in everyone he meets.
-Michelle Obama
Seriously!!!????
She must be talking about a good twin of President Obama..
Because the President Obama that the American people know is ALL about "us and them", is ALL about demonizing fellow Americans, is ALL about ignoring ideas that he himself doesn't come up with, is ALL about pitting American against American....
THAT's the Barack that the American people know..
No one knows WHO this other Barack is, the one Michelle Obama is talking about...
We would sure like to meet him, as HE is the Barack we all voted for..
But I think THAT Barack died in Jan of 2009...
It's a shame, because THAT Barack would have been a helluva leader.. THAT Barack would NEVER had lead from behind...
Michale.....
"The government is the only thing we all belong to..."
-Democratic Party Theme
You see, this is EXACTLY what is wrong with the Democratic Party..
They believe that WE THE PEOPLE "belong" to the Government.. And THAT is how Democrats have always governed..
They have governed as if the Government is master and the American people are the serfs and pheasants who only exist to serve the master...
Democrats in general (and Barack Obama in particular) simply do not get it. It's SUPPOSED to be the other way around..
The American People don't "belong" to the Government..
It's the GOVERNMENT that belongs to the American People..
Michale.....
“You know, most of the people I’ve known in this business, Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, were good people, honest people, and they did what they thought was right. And I hope I’ll live long enough to see American politics return to vigorous debates where we argue who’s right and wrong, not who’s good and bad.”
-President Bill Clinton
Words to live by...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_DEMOCRATS_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-04-23-35-49
Looks like the fact-checkers are keeping just as busy at the DEM convention as the were at the GOP convention..
Just as was predicted...
:D
Michale.....
[Obama] is ALL about demonizing fellow Americans, is ALL about ignoring ideas that he himself doesn't come up with, is ALL about pitting American against American
This kind of ignorant, rhetorical, nonsense is straight from the play-book of the likes of Rush Limbaugh. All you have to do is look at Obama's signature no.1 policy/legacy from the last 4 years and it completely disproves every sentence in this nonsense. Open your eyes.
http://factcheck.org/2012/09/democratic-disinformation-from-charlotte/
I always knew fact-check was a biased Conservative media conspiracy...
This kind of ignorant, rhetorical, nonsense is straight from the play-book of the likes of Rush Limbaugh. All you have to do is look at Obama's signature no.1 policy/legacy from the last 4 years and it completely disproves every sentence in this nonsense.
Which "signature" policy are you referring to??
Obama Care/Tax???
The policy that has absolutely NO ideas from the GOP?? The policy that directly lead to the Great Democrat Shellacking of 2010???
THAT "signature" policy???
Open your eyes.
Of the two of us, MY eyes are the ONLY eyes that are open.
I hold both Partys in disdain...
Your Obama-Love fest shows clearly you are drunk off the Obama kool-aid.. It is YOU who should open your eyes and see the world for what it really is, rather then what you would like it to be.
Michale.....
You honestly and truly believe that Obama hasn't demonized other Americans??
That Obama hasn't pitted American against American??
That Obama has ignored any ideas that weren't his own??
You HONESTLY believe that???
If you do, then we will NEVER come to any kind of agreement, because you are obviously watching the election in a parrellal dimension far FAR removed from the reality of the here and now.....
Michale.....
No Michale the sort of rhetoric I quoted shows you are a close minded sheep that just follows the right-wing rhetoric that you are told. It is complete and utter drivel of the highest degree. It is insulting and not even worthy of discussion. It is repeating lines drawn up by people who want to divide America and personally hate Obama (so appeals to you, since you are the latter category).
You have some good posts on here but writing that sort of crap is why some posters look down on a lot of your posts.
And yes I was referring to his signature healthcare policy where he compromised from his own personal view (single-payer) to institute a Conservative-based plan to better America and give healthcare to 30 million people. Not exactly 'ignoring ideas', not exactly 'unamerican' and not exactly 'demonizing fellow Americans'.
The policy that directly lead to the Great Democrat Shellacking of 2010?
It's funny you criticise him for not being a leader. Yet his major signature policy came at a large cost politically but he was willing to do it anyway because it is the right thing to do. I'd call that leadership.
Your Obama-Love fest shows clearly you are drunk off the Obama kool-aid.
This is the last time I'll comment about this nonsensical, rhetorical, crap. This site is focussed on 'reality based political commentary' which is why I like it. I'm not a Democrat, not even an American and won't even be voting in upcoming election. This means by default out of the two of us I have a much more objective and unbiased view of the situation, since I'm not even involved in the voting process. You should consider that fact before you continue to post this sort of nonsense...
You honestly and truly believe that Obama hasn't demonized other Americans??
That Obama hasn't pitted American against American??
That Obama has ignored any ideas that weren't his own?
Again: these are rhetorical, hatred, nonsensical, crazy, stupid lines drawn up by right-wing media who hate that they have a black President. They are not even worthy of discussing they are so pathetic. You can criticise Obama all you like for policies but repeating this sort of nonsense is not going to get you any sort of intelligent discussion anywhere.
No Michale the sort of rhetoric I quoted shows you are a close minded sheep that just follows the right-wing rhetoric that you are told.
Bull... The sort of rhetoric I quoted is what I have seen with my own two eyes..
The fact that other people see it too??? Well, that just confirms my own observations..
You can believe what you want..
"Well, you can believe Mr Pecker..."
-Peter Venkmen, GHOSTBUSTERS
But, to me, the FACTS are clear...
Again: these are rhetorical, hatred, nonsensical, crazy, stupid lines drawn up by right-wing media who hate that they have a black President.
And the race card gets played again..
You have absolutely NO EVIDENCE (none, zero, zilch, nada) to even HINT that the opposition to Obama is race-based..
But, like the thief who ALWAYS assumes everyone is stealing from him, the racist will ALWAYS and ONLY see racism in others...
Michale.....
Democrats WILL move Obama's big speech from 74,000-seater outdoor stadium to smaller indoor arena citing bad weather (but was it really because they couldn't fill it?)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198695/Democrats-forced-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html#ixzz25boEN1AP
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Dems had to DOWNGRADE the venue by 50,000+!!!! They couldn't even BUS enough people in!!! :D
That is just TOO funny!! :D
Michale...
Michale
Here is a video with some people who agree with your comments on this page: http://rackjite.com/mill-maher-alexandra-pelosis-2012-gop-convention-video-of-republican-ignorance-and-anger/
michty,
Yea, and Castro, Chavez, Achmedjihadist and Al Qaeda all believe in the same things that Democrats believe in..
Should one have bearing on the other??
You tell me...
Michale....
Pentagon fails to comply with law to help overseas soldiers vote, watchdog says
http://www.washingtonguardian.com/ballot-buck-passing
A lot of hysterical screaming over alleged voter disenfranchisement because of photo ID. (as an aside.. Guess what you need to get into the Democratic Party Convention??? Yup.. A photo ID...)
But, since the military would predominantly vote Republicans, the Obama Administration doesn't seem to care about disenfranchising our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines...
Which is EXACTLY what I predicted.. Democrats don't care about voters that don't vote Democrat....
Michale.....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/imagecache/teaser-large/images/teasers/EDIT.v17-48.Sept10.Torrance.Jason_Seiler.jpg
THAT is just TOOO funny!! :D
Dem. Chair Compares GOP Gov. to Hitler's Mistress
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sc-dem-chair-compares-gop-gov-hitlers-mistress_651728.htmlS.C.
What *IS* it with Democrats and this Hitler/Nazi fixation and why isn't anyone from the Left condemning such crap???
Michale......
Oh my gods, now THIS is funny!!! :D
#EmptyStadiumDay: Obama didn’t fill that
http://twitchy.com/2012/09/05/emptystadiumday-obama-didnt-fill-that/
Com'on! All politics aside, ya'all gotta admit that THAT was hilarious!! :D
Michale....
Michale
Pentagon fails to comply with law to help overseas soldiers vote, watchdog says
I didn't realise the Pentagon was a wing of the Democratic party. That's news to me. Learn something new every day... Damn that Democratic party wing and their voter suppression!
If only the Democrats could pass a law to make overseas voting for the military easier... Oh wait they did - that's what THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS ABOUT lol. Sometimes Michale you should actually read an article, think about it and then comment instead of browsing article and then shouting 'IT'S THE DEMOCRATS FAULT!'.
Yea, and Castro, Chavez, Achmedjihadist and Al Qaeda all believe in the same things that Democrats believe in
I assume this was a complete joke or you really are lost!
Fox posted about the stadium move before they learned that the correct way to spin it was 'he couldn't fill the stadium' - whoops! http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/05/obama-nomination-speech-moved-indoors-party-cites-weather-concerns/
Democratic officials, citing weather concerns, are moving President Obama's planned nomination acceptance speech indoors -- and in doing so, choosing a significantly smaller venue that will leave out potentially thousands of Obama supporters.
Whoops, they went for the 'leaving out thousands of supporters' spin instead. I expect them to change this later...
I didn't realise the Pentagon was a wing of the Democratic party. That's news to me. Learn something new every day... Damn that Democratic party wing and their voter suppression!
Now you are REALLY being obtuse....
Do I REALLY have to connect the dots for you??
SERIOUSLY???
If only the Democrats could pass a law to make overseas voting for the military easier... Oh wait they did - that's what THE WHOLE ARTICLE IS ABOUT lol
No, the article is about how Leon Panetta's (Obama Appointee) is NOT fulfilling the law Democrats passed...
It doesn't matter HOW many laws Democrats pass. If they won't ENFORCE the laws (a REAL big problem for Democrats, apparently) then it's the same as not even passing the law in the first place...
Fox posted about the stadium move before they learned that the correct way to spin it was 'he couldn't fill the stadium' - whoops!
https://twitter.com/wxbrad/status/243351985414340609
You just CAN'T admit that Team Obama frak'ed up, can you???
You claim that I am a partisan Right Winger, but I have absolutely NO problem pointing out the Right's flaws.
You cannot admit to a SINGLE flaw by the Democratic Party that doesn't involved, "It's all the Republicans fault"....
Michale.....
Let's play a little game..
I point to one flaw of the Republican Party that has nothing to do with Democrats and you reciprocate with a flaw of the Democratic Party that has nothing to do with Republicans.
We'll see who runs out of answers first.. :D
I'll start..
The religious aspects of the Republican Party really suck....
You???
Michale.....
Added bonus if we stay away from specific people within the two Partys and just concentrate of the belief structure/ideology of the Partys.
Lol no Michale the difference is I recognise spin. Democrats want to spin it as 'the weather'; Republicans want to spin it as 'he can't fill the stadium'.
I choose to believe neither because, quite frankly, I don't know which is correct - they both could be. You CHOOSE to believe Republicans because your own biased view is 'Obama=bad' so this explanation fits in with your belief system. Funnily enough Fox was pretty neutral in their reporting of it - more neutral with you. When Fox is being more neutral than you then surely even you must see how silly you are being??
Lol no Michale the difference is I recognise spin. Democrats want to spin it as 'the weather'; Republicans want to spin it as 'he can't fill the stadium'.
Considering the facts (Obama had to bus people in from SC and GA) the Right spin is likely more close to the facts than the Left spin...
You see, contrary to your continued erroneous assertions, I don't say what I say and think what I think simply because that's what the Right thinks..
That's how YOU play it with the left..
I examine the evidence, check the facts and then make up my own mind...
Take this example.
Since we have Team Obama having to bus people in from as far away as SC and GA, then it IS logical to conclude that Team Obama had trouble filling a 74K seat stadium..
THEN, when it comes out that Team Obama is moving the venue to a 20K seat arena.....
Given these FACTS, what is the only logical conclusion???
%20 chance of rain 24hours from now???
Or
Team Obama couldn't fill the stadium??
Especially when Rahm is quoted as saying that when Obama shows up, the rain stops and the sun comes out...
So, there won't be any need to move, right?? :D
Obama is going to look like a MAJOR moron if it's sunny and cloudless tomorrow.. :D
Michale.....
Maybe our fearless leader on the ground there in Charlotte can give us a feel for what is REALLY going on vis a vis the weather and the move out of the stadium....
Michale.....
According to Wunderground
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=GSP&type=N0R
It's sunny in Charlotte... Not a cloud in the sky... :D
Michale.....
Michale
Take this example.
Since we have Team Obama having to bus people in from as far away as SC and GA, then it IS logical to conclude that Team Obama had trouble filling a 74K seat stadium..
THEN, when it comes out that Team Obama is moving the venue to a 20K seat arena.....
Given these FACTS, what is the only logical conclusion???
%20 chance of rain 24hours from now???
Or
Team Obama couldn't fill the stadium?
You are showing up your bias by just looking at one side of facts. And, since you are relying on biased information, it is actually incorrect information. Now let me present the other side:
- Most people agree this speech is a big speech in terms of the election
- There is a 40% chance of rain AND thunder-storms
- The decision to move indoors has to be made NOW - for logistical reasons it cannot be made near the time.
- If the rain and thunder arrived the speech might have to be cancelled altogether.
Now think. If you were head of Obama's campaign would you accept the fact there is a risk one of his most important speeches EVER might be cancelled? A risk as high as 40%? Or would you play it safe and move indoor? I'd suggest the simple, easy, logical decision would be to play it safe and move indoor.
Now consider: there are 2.7 million registered Democrats in North Carolina. Plus many more over the border in South Carolina. And like you said already plans to bus in more. The idea that they couldn't find 75k Democrats with all this data seems pretty illogical.
You see both sides have their logic. You, because you are completely biased against Obama, chose to only read and believe one side.
Whoops didn't close the bold. Michale, perhaps (once again) instead of relying on biased information you Google 'weather forecast Charlotte' and see for yourself? It really isn't that hard to piece things together yourself, you don't need to be continually told what to believe...
Michale
As someone who lives in central North Carolina, I can tell you that, as of this morning, there are scattered thunderstorms predicted every day this week and into next week. I have not specifically checked Charlotte's forecast, but I would guess it is pretty similar since the weather tends to come from the west this time of year. And current radar does not show what the weather will look like tomorrow night — but that seems like something too obvious to have to state.
The weatherman in Charlotte says a 20% chance of rain..
I'll take a man on the ground's word over some REMF's word any day of the week and twice on Sunday..
Now consider: there are 2.7 million registered Democrats in North Carolina. Plus many more over the border in South Carolina. And like you said already plans to bus in more. The idea that they couldn't find 75k Democrats with all this data seems pretty illogical.
Considering how much Obama has disappointed Democrats in general AND North Carolina Democrats in particular, no... I don't find it illogical at all that Obama couldn't fill the stadium..
Especially when one considers the very real possibility that tens of thousands of those "Democrats" might be dogs or dead people.. :D
Whoops didn't close the bold.
Don'tcha just HATE it when that happens :D
instead of relying on biased information you Google 'weather forecast Charlotte' and see for yourself?
GOOGLE is not biased!!???
BBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wunderground.com has been the mainstay of online weather for over a dozen years, even though it DOES have a Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling) mentality at times...
I'll trust men on the ground and wunderground before I would trust Google, which is in Obama's back pocket...
Michale.....
No need to Google, Michale...
Hourly forecast for Charlotte tomorrow night, starting at 9 p.m.
Your preferred site, with just a few more clicks...
Extended forecast for Charlotte
Michale
I'll trust men on the ground and wunderground before I would trust Google, which is in Obama's back pocket
Sorry I had to quote and embolden this. Amazing.
I am literally stunned. You make a lot more sense now I know this!
Tell ya'all what..
Why don't we just wait and see what the weather is like tomorrow when Obama gives his speech..
Then we'll know who has egg on their face and who doesn't....
Fair??? :D
Michty....
Having trouble finding something to fault the Democratic Party for??? :D
Michale.....
Ninjaf
I don't know I heard both weather.com and wunderground were lefty leaning sites...
Michale
Having trouble finding something to fault the Democratic Party for?
What you talking about?
I am literally stunned.
What??
That I would trust men on the ground before some REMF???
The fact that it "stuns" you doesn't surprise me at all...
There's a word for it..
I believe 'sycophant' is appropriate...
Michale.....
Michale
Sorry I should've been more clear, this is the part I am stunned about:
Google, which is in Obama's back pocket
Google, which is in Obama's back pocket
Do you KNOW how much Google has facilitated the information flow to the Obama Administration???
Obama and Google make the Bush/AT&T connection look like absolutely NOTHING....
Michale....
Michale
Just to get this straight. So you believe that when you use Google the results will be biased towards Obama - correct?
Just to get this straight. So you believe that when you use Google the results will be biased towards Obama - correct?
I believe the men on the ground and sources I have trusted for over a decade...
I also know for a fact the very close relationship between Google executives and the Obama Administration...
Read into that what you will...
Still waiting for you to give me ONE thing bad about the Democratic Party that has nothing to do with Republicans...
Michale.....
I also have to wonder if CW has been cut from attending Obama's acceptance speech because Obama is afraid of not filling up the stadium....er... I mean afraid of 20% chance of rain.... :D
Michale.....
Michale
Well I'd say 40% chance of rain with thunderstorms, but that is relying on Google and many different weather stations - most of whom are probably part of the liberal media conspiracy...
One thing I hate about Democrats? Ok for a start how they talk about 'middle class' 'middle class' etc. What about the poor? What about poverty rates in America? They are supposed to be the party standing up for these people but they prefer to just ignore them.
Well I'd say 40% chance of rain with thunderstorms, but that is relying on Google and many different weather stations - most of whom are probably part of the liberal media conspiracy...
And totally ignoring the weatherman on the ground IN Charlotte with a helluva lot more experience under his belt than you and GOOGLE put together..
In other words, you believe GOOGLE because GOOGLE is saying what you want to hear...
Whereas I believe the man on the ground because that is ALWAYS the best source of intel...
One thing I hate about Democrats? Ok for a start how they talk about 'middle class' 'middle class' etc. What about the poor? What about poverty rates in America? They are supposed to be the party standing up for these people but they prefer to just ignore them.
Excellent... And dead on ballz accurate to boot..
I would say that THAT is also something I don't like about Republicans... They pay lip service to protecting the poor, but that is all it is...
Michale.....
Yeh both parties are pretty poor on that front (pun intended ;))
But that really wasn't fair playing off of yours...
Let's see...
I hate the Republican ideology that says men and women can't enjoy recreational sex with whomever they want to regardless of marital status... :D
Granted, that's more personal to us personally, but it IS a pet peeve of mine... :D
Michale.....
Too much info???? :D
Michale.....
Aaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Po' wittle Democrats aren't going to get any balloons....
http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/09/05/dem-organizers-scrambling-since-no-balloon-drop-following-obama-speech/
Let's see...
local Charlotte weather forecasts...
ABC affiliate says 40%
And another...
CBS affiliate says 30%
And another...
NBC affiliate says 40%
Oh...maybe those forecasts are biased? I did use Teh Google to search for Charlotte television stations. I also clicked on links from those search results. And since I was not able to see the pages resolve to the servers directly, I can not be 100% certain that Teh Google was not spoofing an address in my browser bar and really serving me up some bogus pro-Obama weather forecasts.
Now you're finally opening your eyes to the liberal media conspiracy Ninjaf!
I used Yahoo and got 30% and 40%. Not sure if Yahoo is in the axis of liberal evil though so I don't know whether to trust these results or not...
And it looks like Dems are on defense again!!
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/05/13686491-dems-to-reinstate-language-on-jerusalem?lite
It's a simple question.. if you had a #Panthers game, Concert or Soccer match with a 20% chance of storms would you cancel 24hrs prior?
Ya'all can throw out numbers and percentages all night long.. But you guys are quoting the chance for RAIN... Democrats said that the show will go on, "RAIN OR SHINE"...
The chances of STORMS (IE Lightning) is at 20%....
Regardless, ya'all simply cannot deny that if it's sunny and clear tomorrow, Obama and the Democrats are going to look like idiots to EVERYONE...
As opposed to them looking like idiots to those who know the real reason for the change of venue..
Tomorrow will tell.. :D
Stay tuned...
Michale.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1P5-t0ruUQ
"Not seeing the enthusiasm that you saw in 2008"
Another Dem that's gonna get the Booker Call... :D
Michale.....
It's a simple question.. if you had a #Panthers game, Concert or Soccer match with a 20% chance of storms would you cancel 24hrs prior?
Uhm if I'm involved in the Democratic campaign and there was a 20% chance we'd have to cancel the President's convention speech in a very close election I'd move out the stadium everytime. Heck even if it was 2% I'd consider moving. Probably even 0.5%.
Hey!
It's the michty and Michale show! With intermittent weather forecasts by ninjaf, even!
Any thoughts about the amended Democratic platform? Oh, there is a heap of trouble brewing here, that is for sure!
Michale, I don't think you want to bring up the subject of party platforms. Need I mention the words Todd Akin again?
It's the michty and Michale show! With intermittent weather forecasts by ninjaf, even!
Well played Liz, I chuckled :)
Uhm if I'm involved in the Democratic campaign and there was a 20% chance we'd have to cancel the President's convention speech in a very close election I'd move out the stadium everytime. Heck even if it was 2% I'd consider moving. Probably even 0.5%.
Even if it meant turning away over 50,000 people who came to see The Exalted One?? That's what?? EIGHTY PERCENT of the audience???
Yea.. THAT would be a REAL smart call....
Do you honestly believe that the idea of storms wasn't taken into account. Wasn't part of the planning!! It's the BUSIEST PART of the Hurricane Season!! And North Carolina is Hurricane Alley!!!
I guess we know why YOU are not a political consultant.. :D
No matter how you try to spin it, michty, it's obvious to anyone that Team Obama got worried about there being a massive amount of empty seats were the show to go on in the stadium....
But, it really doesn't matter. If it IS sunny and clear tomorrow, Obama is going to look like an idiot in front of the world..
And NO amount of spin will change that...
Of course, if it's thunder and lightning all over the place, then Obama will look damn smart..
I can guess which one YA'ALL are hoping and praying for???
Me?? Don't matter much. Team Obama's already morons for letting it get this far.. The clear and sunny day will simply be icing on the already scrumptious cake... :D
Michale.....
Michale, I don't think you want to bring up the subject of party platforms. Need I mention the words Todd Akin again?
By all means...
Did Republicans run scared and change everything about their abortion platform to suit the Democrats??
Nope, they didn't..
Did the Democrats run scared and change everything with regards to Jerusalem??
Yep, they did...
Democrats = No Spine, No Backbone, No Testicular Fortitude
Hay! That could be your slam against Democrats!! :D
Michale.....
"You know...you have no...you have no...MAHBLES!"
-Tanaka, MAJOR LEAGUE II
:D
Michale.....
Michale
Even if it meant turning away over 50,000 people who came to see The Exalted One?? That's what?? EIGHTY PERCENT of the audience???
Lol Michale I would turn away 1 million people to ensure that the prime-time TV Presidential convention speech goes ahead. 50k people is nothing compared to the 40 million+ audience at home.
No matter how you try to spin it, michty, it's obvious to anyone that Team Obama got worried about there being a massive amount of empty seats were the show to go on in the stadium
As obvious as it is that Google is a liberal media conspiracy site and Obama wasn't born in America. Anything is obvious to your anti-Obama bias.
This is why I simply can't respect the Democratic Party...
They don't have ANY strength in their convictions...
"THIS is what the Democratic Party is all about!!!
Whaaa??? You don't like that!?? OK OK.. How about this?? THIS is what the Democratic Party is all about!!
Still not good?? Ok Ok, we can change it for you. Just give us a chance.. We'll change it.."
It's absolutely pathetic...
"Cameron has never been in love - at least, nobody's ever been in love with him. If things don't change for him, he's gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she's gonna treat him like shit, because she will have given him what he has built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won't respect him, 'cause you can't respect somebody who kisses your ass. It just doesn't work."
-Ferris, FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF
Save Ferris!!!
Michale.....
Lol Michale I would turn away 1 million people to ensure that the prime-time TV Presidential convention speech goes ahead. 50k people is nothing compared to the 40 million+ audience at home.
Like I said, now we all know why you are not a political consultant..
Imagine all those 50,000+ people that spent hundreds even THOUSANDS of dollars to get there, to see their hero... Only to be turned away...
Imagine CW's disappointment if his seat is vanquished because Team Obama couldn't plan ahead...
From a Campaign PR point of view, it doesn't even MATTER what the facts are..
The perception is that Team Obama got scared and shrunk the venue by 80%.. THAT's what people are going to believe..
If it turns out sunny and clear tomorrow, that perception will be re-enforced...
In a political campaign, perception is everything...
Michale.....
michty,
Well played Liz, I chuckled :)
Well, I simply couldn't resist, you know. Heh.
WOW!!
The DNC is really running scared!!
blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2012/09/05/charlotte-democrat-nightmare-now-dems-put-god-and-jerusalem-language.aspx
realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/05/jerusalem_and_god_get_booed_at_dem_convention.html
They even put god back into the Party Platform!!!
And got BOO'ed for their trouble!!
This is better than NetFlix!!!
Pass the popcorn!!! :D
Can't wait to hear CW's Man On The Scene take of this catastrophe... :D
Michale.....
This has become a disaster for the Democrats and a boon to the Romney campaign. The DNC has now added God back into their platform language after originally taking it out. They have also added language back in that says Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. When they tried to change the language on the convention floor, there were boos! Oy-gevalt.
Despite the corrections by the Democrats, the Romney campaign can now argue that the Democrats don't know what they believe on two very important topics. They can also argue that the Democrats only did this because of the pushback. That’s true. The Brody File first pointed it out and the media followed, making this a story that the DNC wants to make go away. The problem is it’s not going away. Expect the Romney campaign to push this until Election Day. These last second changes really just make the issue worse and make the Democrat Party look bad.
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2012/09/05/charlotte-democrat-nightmare-now-dems-put-god-and-jerusalem-language.aspx
"This is gonna cost me.."
-Homer Simpson
Michale.....
Michale,
Can't wait to hear CW's Man On The Scene take of this catastrophe... :D
That makes two of us! I don't believe the shit has quite hit the fan yet ...
So... Whatya think, Michty??
Can we agree that the Democratic Party has no spine, no backbone, no testicular fortitude and no mahbles??
Michale.....
That makes two of us! I don't believe the shit has quite hit the fan yet ...
I can't see how it could POSSIBLY get worse for the DNC...
Unless, of course, tomorrow is bright and sunny with not a cloud in the sky... :D
I bet Team Obama is trying to corral them some rainmakers or are hoping and praying that Michael or Leslie will make a sharp turn due west... :D
"I'm going to bed. Please let me know if there's some other way we can screw up tonight."
-Captain James T. Kirk, STAR TREK VI, The Undiscovered Country
I bet that's what the DNC leaders are thinking right now.. :D
:D
Michale.....
OK I think I am going to call it a night...
I just want to leave with one prediction...
If CW was present for this latest debacle, I am betting he was thinking, "Michale is just going to LOVE this!!!"
:D
Check back in a bit...
Michale.....
Michale,
I can't see how it could POSSIBLY get worse for the DNC...
Oh, it could get worse, alright, and very easily at that.
Google, which is in Obama's back pocket
michale,
i'm quite sure you have that backward.
secretary duncan just spoke, and now it's jim hunt. it seems like all these speakers are going on about how great the president has been on education. i think i just regurgitated a bit. wonder if CW is in the neighborhood...
~joshua
Liz,
I think you are right..
http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/5m26owrhQhc4Md7nvODE3w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zMzk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-09-04T230750Z_459881616_TB3E8941S8SCA_RTRMADP_3_USA-CAMPAIGN.JPG
I think it just got worse....
Michale.....
Michale,
I'm never right.
And, you're crazy if you think I'm going to click on that scary link. :)
I'm gonna go out on a limb, though, and suggest that if you think this is a big deal, then it probably won't amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.
That's my hope, anyway. And, thanks for giving it to me, by the way ...
Joshua,
i'm quite sure you have that backward.
Actually that was michty who said that.. Whoever is in whomever's back pocket, it is undeniable that GOOGLE and Team Obama are inextricably (holy sheet, I can't believe I spelled that right!!) linked...
i think i just regurgitated a bit.
eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Ni ni all...
Michale.....
Michale
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but what the Democratic platform contains is about as important as the Republican platform containing a ban on abortions with no exceptions - which was cheerfully passed last week to mass applause.
The only people who care about these things are those paying attention; in the grand scheme of things there will be a few things remembered by the Average Joe from the conventions: Obama/Romney's speeches, Ryan/Biden's speeches and Clinton's speech. Everything else is a side-show. As I've tried to point to you, this is why ensuring Obama's speech goes ahead no matter what is important. It has the potential to be a massive boost in the Obama re-election. Although Clinton's speech tonight could be even more important.
michty,
Although Clinton's speech tonight could be even more important.
Oh, I think Clinton's speech tonight could be counted among the most important and effective political speeches since, I don't know ... time immemorial?
If Obama et al. had been communicating like that for the last four years, we'd probably be looking at a Sarah Palin/God Knows Who Republican ticket this year 'cause no Republicans in their right mind would have wanted to take on Obama/Biden in 2012.
But, alas, there is still time to build towards a landslide Democratic sweep of the White House and both houses of Congress and I don't think Bill Clinton is going away, anytime soon! :)
michty,
On this particular issue, it's not the content of the platform that is what is damning the Democrats in the here and now.
It's the fact that Democrats can't make up their mind what their platform should say...
AND, it's the fact that they let outside forces determine what their platform should say...
Michale.....
“We don’t have the problems that the other party has. We’re not divided. We don’t have to worry about, you know, what people are saying on the side or about their affection for the president or — we don’t have those problems.”
-David Axelrod
I think Axelrod's nose just grew about 3 feet! :D
Yea, Democrats aren't divided. That's why one half of the delegates boo'ed when they rammed god and Israel/Jerusalem back into the platform against the vote that said NO....
And now today??
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=GSP&type=N0R
Doppler looks clear.. Sunshine and clear skies in Charlotte is likely the order of the day... :D
Michale.....
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-book-debt-deal-collapse-led-pure/story?id=17104635
The dysfunction in the Obama White House is simply astounding!
Michale.....
The dysfunction in the Obama White House is simply astounding!
Which isn't to say the Republican side of things didn't get scathed in Woodward's book...
But Obama get's the worst of it...
Michale.....
The ONLY way that Democrats can win the White House is to convince Americans that they are better off under Obama than they were 4 years ago..
Of course, that's Mission Impossible because it's clear that Americans AREN'T better off..
Unemployment Jan 2009..... 7.8%
Unemployment Now.......... 8.3%
Median Income Jan 2009.... $55,000
Median Income Now......... $51,000
Gas Price Jan 2009........ $1.84 p/g
Gas Price Now............. $3.82 p/g
National Debt Jan 2009.... $10.6 Trillion
National Debt Now......... $16+ Trillion
Budget Deficit Jan 2009... $458 Billion
Budget Deficit Now........ $1.3 Trillion
No matter how you slice it, Team Obama simply CANNOT make the case that Americans are better off under Obama..
And if they can't make the case, they cannot (fairly) win the Election.
Added to that, the utter lack of professionalism and leadership as witnessed by the DNC debacle last night???
Team Obama is in real trouble... I don't know if it's ever happened before, but Obama is likely to get a Post-Convention drop in the polls rather than a Post-Convention bump...
Michale.....
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., the party chairman, said both the God and Jerusalem omissions were "essentially a technical oversight." She insisted in a CNN interview there had been no discord on the floor and said the vote definitely met the two-thirds threshold.
http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-change-platform-add-god-jerusalem-211928130--election.html
"We are at war with EastAsia. We have always been at war with EastAsia"
It's like Democrats are saying, "Are you going to believe us or your own senses!?"
And THIS is the Party that wants the American People to hand over the reins of power to??
Like hell!!!
Michale.....
Since everyone loves Fact-Checkers here... :D
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/05/Fact-Checking-Bill-Clinton
Michale.....
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3872849
Ya'all know me. I don't much care for mixing religion and politics.. While I am VERY Pro-Israel, even the Jerusalem language, in or out of the Democratic Party Platform is not the point here...
What I see as the BIGGEST problem with the Democratic Party is how they handle democracy....
The vote was CLEARLY not 2/3rds in favor of the platform change. At BEST, it looked even 50/50.. Personally I think the NAYS had a slight edge..
But the result clearly shows how the Democratic Party approaches democracy..
Vote and vote and vote until one gets the desired result. If one CAN'T get the desired result, then PRETEND that the desired vote was achieved and then impose it by proclamation..
Now, I dunno about ya'all, but if I *WAS* a gung-ho Lefty/Democrat as most of ya'all are, I would be ashamed of the Democratic Party and how they approach democracy...
Michale....
I really have to hand it to Democrats...
When they create a crisis to overshadow an earlier crisis, they don't mess around!! :D
Just in case anyone is still monitoring, the chance of rain in Charlotte at 2200 hrs (when Obama accepts the nomination) is 10% with the forecast saying "party cloudy"...
Michale.....
What a speech by Clinton! And he got a relatively good report card from fact-check (unlike most of the other speakers so far) http://factcheck.org/2012/09/our-clinton-nightmare/
CW - you should just transcribe the entire Clinton speech here. Probably one of the best Democratic/centrist arguments for Obama I've heard in a long time.
Politifact too on job creation: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-says-democratic-presidents-top-republ/
Probably one of the best Democratic/centrist arguments for Obama I've heard in a long time.
Except for the fact that ya'all (and all Democrats) blame deregulation for the current economic catastrophe and it's a documented fact that Clinton was the king of Deregulation, even more so than Bush...
Sorry to slap down a dose of reality amongst ya'alls euphoria...
"No, not really. I can't back that up."
-Dr Evil
:D
Michale.....
Politifact too on job creation: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-says-democratic-presidents-top-republ/
While it maybe true to say that more jobs are created under Dem presidents, it's completely unproven to say that Dem presidents create more jobs...
Michale....
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/Charlotte+NC+USNC0121:1:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6
hehehehehehehehehehehe :D
ZERO percent chance of rain and clear skies when Obama gives his acceptance speech...
Imagine if people, so disgusted by last night's antics, don't even show up.. Imagine the PR nightmare if Team Obama can't even fill up the venue that has been shrunk by 80%!!!
That's just TOOO funny... :D
Michale.....
Michale
Clinton's speech for so far reaching and covered so many issues I'm just going to respond to you by quoting him.
Except for the fact that ya'all (and all Democrats) blame deregulation for the current economic catastrophe and it's a documented fact that Clinton was the king of Deregulation, even more so than Bush...
Clinton talking sarcastically: They [Republicans] want to get rid of those pesky financial regulations designed to prevent another crash and prohibit future bailouts.
While it maybe true to say that more jobs are created under Dem presidents, it's completely unproven to say that Dem presidents create more jobs.
Sorry Michale, this is how politics works. You can't blame Obama for the stuff you want to blame him for then, when a point like this is made, say 'oh actually Presidents shouldn't take any credit for good things under their watch!'. Note that these numbers are PRIVATE jobs only too...
Clinton talking sarcastically: They [Republicans] want to get rid of those pesky financial regulations designed to prevent another crash and prohibit future bailouts.
And WHO was it that eliminated Glass-Steagull??
Hmmmmmmmmm
Sorry Michale, this is how politics works. You can't blame Obama for the stuff you want to blame him for then, when a point like this is made, say 'oh actually Presidents shouldn't take any credit for good things under their watch!'. Note that these numbers are PRIVATE jobs only too...
Why not.. Ya'all blame Bush SOLELY because 9/11 happened on his watch..
You can't have it both ways, michty...
The facts ONLY support the conclusion that more jobs are created under Dem Presidents. PERIOD..
Anything else is simply partisan extrapolation...
Being the big FACTS person you claim to be, you should know this...
Of course, to you Dems can do no wrong..
How you coming on your list, by the bi??? :D
Wanna talk about no mahbles??? :D
Michale....
Best comment I've seen:
"All I can say is this: If Democrats can make every undecided voter sit down and watch Bill Clinton’s speech, this thing is over,”
- Matt Miller (Washington Post)
Michale given our discussion yesterday, did you like that Clinton mentioned the poor 8 times during his speech? Still too much 'middle class' for me but he's the first speaker in either the DNC or RNC to talk about the effect of certain policies on the poor...
Sorry Michale, this is how politics works. You can't blame Obama for the stuff you want to blame him for then, when a point like this is made, say 'oh actually Presidents shouldn't take any credit for good things under their watch!'.
OK.. I can accept that..
So, Bush gets the credit for all the good things that happened on his watch, right??
Are you SURE you want to go there??? :D
Michale.....
It was a good speech.. No two ways about it. But Clinton ALWAYS gives good speeches... He is better at public speaking then even Obama..
But the question you have to ask yourself is, did it make Democrats forget about the god/Jerusalem debacle??
I don't think it did...
A few are talking about Clinton's speech..
MORE are talking about how the DNC has absolutely no backbone...
Of course, spin that any way you can.. :D
Michale.....
Michale,
Did you actually link to a breitbart.com "fact check"? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
WHEW! ::wipes eyes::
WOW..
What a difference a day makes..
Yesterday you were ridiculing the idea of partisan fact checkers..
Now the truth comes out...
Only the fact checkers who say what you want to hear are TRUE fact checkers..
Any fact check that disagrees with you?? Not real fact checkers..
Here's a thought.
Can you dispute any of the facts presented??
Of course you can't.. That's why you attack the messenger instead of the message....
Dems this morning remind me of Charlie Sheen after his meltdown..
I half-expect Obama to walk out on the stage and yell, "WINNING" :D
hehehehehehehehehehehe
Michale.....
I can see how today's conversation is going to go down..
M: Did ya notice how Democrats were so pissed off when the DNC ignored the vote??
E: Wasn't Bill Clinton awesome!!
M: What about the fact that Obama had to shrink the venue by 80% so as not to be embarrassed by empty seats.
E: Bill Clinton killed em!!
M: How do ya'all respond to the polls that show Romney leading then Independent/NPA vote by 11%
E: Bill Clinton is da man!!!
M: OK, let's talk Middle East. Do ya'all think the Obama Administration are as committed to Israel as Romney would be??
E: Bill Clinton, Dem Hero!!!!
Yea, it's going to be a very productive conversation.. :D
Michale
There are 2 well known independent fact-checkers: fact-check.org and politifact. I suggest you try to read both more regularly, they will open your eyes to lies (on both sides). But it is pretty clear the Republicans have decided to run on 1 or 2 massive lies - I suggest you at least TRY to find out the facts, although I know you don't care about facts or Republican lies you'll vote against Obama anyway because you have a bigoted hatred towards him.
So, Bush gets the credit for all the good things that happened on his watch, right??
Are you SURE you want to go there?
Sure I'd love to discuss Bush's record lol. I definitely want to go there!
Yes Michale I can see that you want to talk about pointless topics and we want to talk about the bigger ones. You want to talk about the Democratic platform problems, ignoring the disastrous backwards policies of the Republican platform. That's pretty usual on here for you...
You want to talk about the Democratic platform problems, ignoring the disastrous backwards policies of the Republican platform.
Actually, I want YOU to talk about the Dem problems..
Because, if you can't acknowledge the problems, HOW do you expect to fix them???
There are 2 well known independent fact-checkers: fact-check.org and politifact. I suggest you try to read both more regularly, they will open your eyes to lies (on both sides).
Actually, I do read both.. But they are not as bi-partisan as you claim.. The issue with Jobs/Dem Presidents is a perfect example..
They claim that Dem Presidents create more jobs when that is NOT what the facts say.. The facts say that more jobs are created under Dem presidents and that's it...
They come to a partisan conclusion based on a partisan extrapolation..
Of course, YOU don't see that ONLY because you agree with the conclusion...
When the fact-check sites go against you (as in the ObamaCare/Tax issue) then you decry that fact-checkers...
That's why it's no use talking facts with you, because you own cherry pick the facts that make your case and ignore the exculpatory facts..
Michale.....
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/09/06/axelrod-and-jarret-throw-fellow-dems-under-the-bus-say-it-was-their-fault-jerusalem-and-god-were-left-out-of-democratic-platform/
Democrats... The gift to Republicans that keep on giving.. :D
Michale.....
Lemme ask ya something, michty...
How "pointless" is the topic of America's relationship with Israel to Americans Jews??
Do you HONESTLY think that THEY think the topic is "pointless"...
What about the Democrats who ARE religious???
Do you HONESTLY think that THEY think the topic is "pointless"???
I realize you have your own opinions and I respect that..
But YOU have to respect that there ARE Democrats out there who DO care about Israel and DO care about god..
I would love to see you address them and convince THEM that their issues are "pointless"....
Go ahead.. have at it...
Michale.....
Sure I'd love to discuss Bush's record lol. I definitely want to go there!
OK, let's start with 8+ years w/o a terrorist attack on US Proper....
Pretty impressive stat.. In the NFL, it's called a "keeper stat"....
According to YOU, Bush gets the credit for that...
Michale.....
OK, let's start with 8+ years w/o a terrorist attack on US Proper....
That SHOULD read, "OK, let's start with 8+ years w/o a terrorist attack on US Proper, post 9/11....
My bust...
Lol Michale you really are in crazy mode today.
Actually, I want YOU to talk about the Dem problems..
Because, if you can't acknowledge the problems, HOW do you expect to fix them?
Just like I gave Republicans a break last week because the platform is merely symbolic, I will with Democrats this week. I couldn't give 2 cents about the platform - it is ignored by the President just like the Republican platform is ignored by Romney.
Want to talk about platforms? Ok how about banning civil unions, banning gay people from serving in the military, bringing back the gold standard, banning ALL abortions (no exceptions) and contraception, public displays of the 10 commandments etc. You really want to discuss all these things that are in the Republican platform?
They claim that Dem Presidents create more jobs when that is NOT what the facts say.. The facts say that more jobs are created under Dem presidents and that's it.
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this: READ THE FULL ARTICLE. You and CB seem to just glance over things.
When the fact-check sites go against you (as in the ObamaCare/Tax issue) then you decry that fact-checkers
Nope this is your view. I read both fact-check and politifact daily. I disagree most with politifact because they have a stupid rating system and I don't understand how they rate some things, but generally agree with the true/false part of their ratings...
I would love to see you address them and convince THEM that their issues are "pointless"....
Go ahead.. have at it
Sure this will be the easiest discussion ever. None of these people think this issue is pointless. But they think what the Democratic platform says is POINTLESS. What they care about are what their leaders believe in and say (which, just like Republicans, vastly differs from the platform).
That SHOULD read, "OK, let's start with 8+ years w/o a terrorist attack on US Proper, post 9/11.
Great. Bush was unlucky to have such a bad attack on America during his Presidency. Do you think he handled it well? Because I don't.
So Bush 7/8 years with no terrorist attacks.
Obama 4/4 since we're keeping score...
http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2012/09/05/3106056/the-gops-jerusalem-platform-omissions
Seems like the Democrats aren't the only ones dumbing down their Israel policy on the platform. Difference is the right-wing-nut-jobs didn't bother screaming out when the shoe was on the other foot...
I just came across a site that was a REAL eye opener for me.. :D
isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz
My results were a bit surprising..
isidewith.com/results/92805081
Want to talk about platforms? Ok how about banning civil unions, banning gay people from serving in the military, bringing back the gold standard, banning ALL abortions (no exceptions) and contraception, public displays of the 10 commandments etc. You really want to discuss all these things that are in the Republican platform?
It wouldn't be much of a discussion as I likely agree with you on the advisability of all of those things. :D
Yea, I guess I AM in a crazy mood.. :D
Great. Bush was unlucky to have such a bad attack on America during his Presidency. Do you think he handled it well? Because I don't.
Actually, yes I do... Considering the CT success Bush had, ESPECIALLY considering he had to fight Democrats as much as Al Qaeda, I would say Bush did a helluva job... And that's speaking from a position of more than a passing knowledge in the field..
Obama 4/4 since we're keeping score...
Two things are in Obama's favor.. He didn't have to fight fellow Americans as much as Al Qaeda, as Bush had to do.
And Obama got DAMN lucky with the ineptitude of the attacks that DID go down...
We have to be "lucky" EACH AND EVERY time... Terrorists only have to be lucky once...
Michale.....
And, just because it's hilarious.. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GvT7566_L9s
Michale
Apparently if I lived in America I should be voting for Jill Stein! http://www.isidewith.com/results/92884157
Apparently if I lived in America I should be voting for Jill Stein!
Who!??? :D
Crazy, iddn't it?? :D
Michale
Not too shocking that I'm too the left of Obama. Especially left of how he has governed!
I am also, apparently, with Jill Stein:
http://www.isidewith.com/results/92977952
Maybe this Jill Stein shoulda been on the Dem ticket, eh?? :D
Sad news for ya, Ninjaf...
Apparently you and I agree on 60% of the stated issues.. :D
Michale.....
Stein/Honkala 2012!
http://wxug.us/rr30
Doesn't look good for Team Obama :D
Michale
Lol Michale give it up. You are once again choosing to ignore information that doesn't suit your argument. From the same site:
Thursday Night
Partly cloudy with thunderstorms and rain showers. Fog overnight. Low of 21C. Winds less than 5 km/h. Chance of rain 30% with rainfall amounts near 1.3 mm possible.
I'm sure conducting your most important speech in years, with 40 million+ watching, outdoors in potentially thunderstorms and rain is a GREAT idea lol.
I'm sure conducting your most important speech in years, with 40 million+ watching, outdoors in potentially thunderstorms and rain is a GREAT idea lol.
It seemed to be a fine idea in August of 2008...
In 2008, Obama did his speech with MORE chance of rain than is possible tonight.. No one seemed to care about rain or lightning back then...
Obama has done many MANY speeches in the rain..
So, why is this different??
When given all of the afore FACTS and given the fact that it has been WELL REPORTED that Obama has had to bus people in from as far away as Georgia, let's ask ourselves again...
WHY is this speech any different than all the other speeches Obama has given in the rain..
To a logical mind, the answer is clear..
Obama was afraid of seeing a half-filled stadium or even less...
That is the ONLY conclusion that fits ALL the facts...
We'll see how it plays out. Even though it's WAY past my bed-time, I'll be up checking the Doppler all the way thru Obama's speech.... And, you can bet, if it's a cloudless starry night, ya'all are going to hear about it loud and clear... :D
Michale.....
By the bi, that link is a LIVE Doppler feed.... So, you can argue prognostication all night long..
But if you want to believe Dem spin doctors over your own eyes, you're more far gone than I thought...
Michale.....
In 2008, Obama did his speech with MORE chance of rain than is possible tonight.. No one seemed to care about rain or lightning back then...
Fact-check: FALSE.
But if you want to believe Dem spin doctors over your own eyes, you're more far gone than I thought
Your view that you are independent/objective is increasingly deluded every single day. The funny thing is I am not agreeing with the Democratic spin, I just am not agreeing with the Republican spin either. You are far, far, far gone to the extent that when right-wing media says 'hate Obama' you say 'how much?'...
But if you want to believe Dem spin doctors over your own eyes, you're more far gone than I thought...
That shoulda been said with a smile..
So..... :^D
Michale
In 2008, Obama did his speech with MORE chance of rain than is possible tonight.. No one seemed to care about rain or lightning back then...
Fact-check: FALSE.
Prove it... :D I have the facts on my side... But I'll enjoy seeing you search frantically :D
I am not agreeing with ANYONE's spin... I asses the FACTS and make my own determination..
But hay, I can play your game..
Is there another conclusion that fits ALL the facts???
If there is, now's the time.... :D
Michale...
Just some FACTS for you, michty :D
Thunderstorms predicted, but staff says President Obama's acceptance speech at the 2012 Democratic National Convention will be held outdoors 'rain or shine'
nydailynews.com/news/politics/thunderstorms-predicted-staff-president-obama-acceptance-speech-2012-democratic-national-convention-held-outdoors-rain-shine-article-1.1150555
fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/is-bad-weather-really-the-reason-to-move-obamas-speech-indoors/
Pay particular attention to the weather description in Denver in August...
Democrats: Rain won't move big Obama speech indoors
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 2:09pm MDT - Last Modified: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 1:03pm MDT
An August evening rainstorm will not move the convention's climactic moment back to the Pepsi Center, which was to have been the site of the Aug. 28 speech until a venue change was announced Monday, Theodore LeCompte, director of media logistics for the 2008 Democratic National Convention Committee, said at a media "walk through" at the Pepsi Center.
LeCompte did say that especially severe weather might delay Obama's speech "until it's safe." He did not say how bad the weather would have to get to trigger a delay.
There is a 29 percent chance of at least some rain on Aug. 28, based on statistics for the last 14 years, according to Weather Underground, a website providing climate data. It rained on that date three years in a row from 2002 to 2004, but has been dry the last three years, the website says.
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2008/07/07/daily16.html
Thunderstorms in Denver are a LOT more fierce and a LOT more dangerous than in Charlotte, NC...
Notice how that article said that weather wouldn't CANCEL the speech, but rather just delay it...
So, you were saying something about Denver not being an equivalent to Charlotte??
Well, you were right. The threat was a LOT higher in Denver... Yet, the show went on...
So, what is different between now and then??
NOW the crowds are a LOT smaller...
It's the ONLY conclusion that is logical, rational and fits ALL the facts...
"Dem's da facts, Jack!!"
-Bill Murray, STRIPES
According to Weather Dot Com (which I usually don't peruse unless wunderground is down...) at the time of Obama's speech (2200hrs EDT) it's going to be 75degrees, clear and ZERO (0) percent chance of rain...
Live Doppler (WunderGround) shows clear... Weather Dot Com says ZERO percent chance of rain..
Obviously weather was NOT the reason for the move, regardless of what the DNC wants us to believe...
Michale.....
Michale
I already presented the facts on the other side. But you're obsessed with whether or not the rain percentage is high enough or what weather channel I'm relying on for my data or other confused-right-wing-nonsensical arguments to disprove it.
There are media reports showing the event as sold out and some with a waiting list of 19,000 tickets. And a bunch of the 65,000 meant to attend were people who volunteered just to get a ticket in exchange. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-dnc-severe-weather-20120905,0,6228317.story
If you actually read outside of right-wing news sites you'd find these things yourself. But you are completely blind to the world outside of these sites.
Let me put it this way, michty..
Do you have ANY evidence, other than the DNC say-so, that indicates that weather is the reason for the move??
ANY evidence at all, other than the dubious source of the DNC???
I don't think you do...
Yet, I have built a logical and rational and, above all else, FACTUAL case to support the conclusion that weather was NOT the reason for the move...
If this were a court and you were the defense attorney, yer client would fry... :D
Michale.....
Some reads for you Michale:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/bill-clinton/clinton-says-obama-cut-taxes-95-percent-people-thr/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/bill-clinton/bill-clinton-says-45-million-jobs-have-been-create/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/sep/06/bill-clinton/clinton-says-ryan-attacked-obama-medicare-cuts-ref/
There are media reports showing the event as sold out and some with a waiting list of 19,000 tickets. And a bunch of the 65,000 meant to attend were people who volunteered just to get a ticket in exchange.
If tickets were sold out, why did people have to be bused in from Georgia???
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198695/Democrats-forced-Obamas-big-speech-74-000-seater-outdoor-stadium-20-000-seater-indoor-arena.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
theblaze.com/stories/dems-to-bus-in-college-students-churches-over-fears-of-a-small-convention-audience/
If you actually read outside of right-wing news sites you'd find these things yourself. But you are completely blind to the world outside of these sites.
As opposed to the Left Wing news sites, like the LA times??? :D You might as well have quoted HuffPo or DailyKos..
So, you DON'T have any real evidence to support the conclusion that weather was the factor, other than the DNC say so...
Like I said... If this were court, yer client would hang.. :D
Michale.....
We're talking about the weather in Charlotte, not about what Bill Clinton said...
But, hay...
If you WANT to talk about what Bill Clinton said about Obama, by all means, let's do so..
"A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags"
-Bill Clinton, talking about Obama
"This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen"
-Bill Clinton, talking about Obama's campaign
So, are you SURE you want to talk about Bill Clinton??? :D
Yea... Let's talk about Bill Clinton :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-21wrrmpxzE
Besides...
http://tinyurl.com/c3ztk8v
More people in America were interested in the NFL Opener than in Bill Clinton....
:D
But Clinton's speech did beat out SUBURGATORY and (ACK!!!!) SUPERNATURAL.... But they were repeats, so.....
As an aside, Oct 3!! SUPERNATURAL SEASON PREMIERE!!!! :D
Michale.....
There are media reports showing the event as sold out and some with a waiting list of 19,000 tickets. And a bunch of the 65,000 meant to attend were people who volunteered just to get a ticket in exchange. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-dnc-severe-weather-20120905,0,6228317.story
Besides, the LA Times was simply reporting what the DNC has said..
So, once again.. I have to ask..
Do you have ANY evidence besides the words of the DNC to support the claim that WEATHER was the factor that caused the move??
ANY evidence at all???
Michale.....
Yep, I don't think hitting 500 messages is going to be a problem..
For the love of the gods, michty!! PLEASE hang around thru the end of the year, k!?? :D
Michale.....
Lol Michale do you literally just forget what we talked about the day before and your mind is reset, like a robot ready to be filled with whatever the right-wing media would like to fill it with? We discussed weather all day yesterday. We showed you perfectly reasonable, logical, rational reasons to move the speech inside. But trying to use logic with you is like trying to use logic with a dog. You just keep barking right-wing rhetoric and don't even understand what is being said to you.
Incidentally here's a good Clinton video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5knEXDsrL4
We showed you perfectly reasonable, logical, rational reasons to move the speech inside.
Those same logical and rational reasons existed in 2008..
Why wasn't the speech moved then??
Do you have an answer???
Michale
Let me ask you this: If it doesn't rain and thunder-storm tomorrow will you be proved correct?
Those same logical and rational reasons existed in 2008..
Why wasn't the speech moved then??
Do you have an answer?
Really? You have a time machine that allowed you to go back in time and check the weather forecast in the days preceding Obama's speech? Could I have access to this time machine so I can travel back to yesterday and get my life back from before this stupid argument about your bias began?
You see, michty, here's your problem..
You have similar weather circumstances between Aug 2008 and Sep 2012.
You have similar locales between Aug 2008 and Sep 2012.
Yet, the action taken by the DNC is completely different between Aug 2008 and Sep 2012.
Since the locale is similar and the weather circumstances are similar, WHAT IS DIFFERENT??
WHAT would cause the DNC to do one thing in Aug 2008 and a totally different thing in Sep of 2012..
There is only ONE thing that would cause the different actions...
And THAT is the size of the crowd... The size of the crowd was a LOT bigger in Aug of 2008 than it was going to be in Sep of 2012...
The simple fact that they can fit the crowd in an area made for only 20K people PROVES that...
I know you think that Democrats can't do no wrong, but for gods' sake, face the facts...
Michale.....
You have similar weather circumstances between Aug 2008 and Sep 2012.
Lol nope. I would like to find out how your magical time machine works though. Do only the right-wing media have access to it?
Let me ask you this: If it doesn't rain and thunder-storm tomorrow will you be proved correct?
You mean tonight, right?? :D Or is it tomorrow for you??
Regardless, no it won't mean I was "right"...
Well, it WILL mean that I am "right" insofar as it was a moronic call by the DNC..
But regardless of the weather actually is tonight, the simple fact is that the SAME weather conditions were as probable in 2008 as they will be tonight..
Yet the venue WASN'T moved in 2008...
If weather is indeed the ONLY factor, then why the two different results???
You STILL haven't answered that...
Michale....
But regardless of the weather actually is tonight, the simple fact is that the SAME weather conditions were as probable in 2008 as they will be tonight..
Lol nope. I jumped in my magical time machine and went back and the weather forecast for that day was different.
If weather is indeed the ONLY factor, then why the two different results?
Because the weather forecasts were not the same. You seriously SERIOUSLY believe that the weather forecast for one evening in 2012 when Obama is presenting a speech is the EXACT SAME as a weather forecast in 2008 when he was presenting a speech? You SERIOUSLY believe this crazy coincidence??? You are so far down the rabbit hole, I don't know if you'll ever make it out...
Looks like there is a little rain moving into Charlotte right now..
http://tinyurl.com/9b4y24q
Obama might pull this out and not look like a maroon....
Michale.....
Lol nope. I jumped in my magical time machine and went back and the weather forecast for that day was different.
Well, I have (and posted) the weather reports for that day (which is a LOT more reliable than your time machine) and they say that there was a 29% chance of storms (not rain, but storms) on the day of Obama's speech in Colorado...
Because the weather forecasts were not the same. You seriously SERIOUSLY believe that the weather forecast for one evening in 2012 when Obama is presenting a speech is the EXACT SAME as a weather forecast in 2008 when he was presenting a speech? You SERIOUSLY believe this crazy coincidence???
Oh my gods, REALLY!!???
NOW I know you are just being obtuse..
Of course, the weather isn't EXACTLY the same. Are you HONESTLY going to tell me that the 1% difference makes ALL the difference..
And you say that *I* am too far down the rabbit hole???!!!
Why can't you just admit it, michty.. You're wrong.. You have absolutely NO evidence, save the DNC's say so, that the weather is the sole determining factor..
You arguing against the facts like this is just making you look like a bigger moron than Obama will look like at 2200 hrs tonight...
Michale......
Well weather.com says 100% chance of rain tonight. 100% seems like a pretty confident prediction lol.
Good downpour moving thru Charlotte right now.. It's gonna be a drencher. Should last about 20 mins...
Michale.....
Well weather.com says 100% chance of rain tonight. 100% seems like a pretty confident prediction lol.
Link???
And when tonight??? Do you have an exact time frame??
It's kinda relevant, if you want to make your case...
Michale
My last post on this stupid argument.
Well, I have (and posted) the weather reports for that day
I doubt they'd have made the decision ON THE DAY. That'd be beyond stupid. Like I said without a time machine you don't have any access to the information they had in 2008 when making the decision and are purely speculating. Of course your speculation due to your anti-Obama bias only leads you in one direction.
You have absolutely NO evidence, save the DNC's say so, that the weather is the sole determining factor.
Wow for once I can agree. I don't have evidence that it was just due to weather, just like you don't have evidence that it WASN'T just due to weather. You are speculating based on your own biases. I am not speculating either way but pointing out to you that you are CLEARLY not correct in determining it 'MUST' be due to numbers.
You arguing against the facts like this is just making you look like a bigger moron than Obama will look like at 2200 hrs tonight...
Your idea of a fact is: well I believe the same weather forecasts were present in the days before his speech in 2008 (lol). As if you have some magical time machine that can take you back to 2-3 days before the speech in 2008 to examine the weather forecasts and other factors that led them to make their decision back then.
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/USNC0121
Here's a webcam just south of Charlotte at the SC state line..
http://www.trafficland.com/city/CLT/camera/12199/
Weather doesn't look too bad at all... :D
Wow for once I can agree. I don't have evidence that it was just due to weather, just like you don't have evidence that it WASN'T just due to weather.
Yes I do..
The FACT that Obama has NEVER let rain stop a speech, NEVER let rain cause a speech to be moved..
That is evidence that RAIN is NEVER a factor in Obama's speeches...
Past behavior is certainly evidence, whether you want to concede it or not..
The fact is, Obama has NEVER let weather interfere with his speeches..
This being a FACT, obviously something else was in play..
Do you know what it is??
No, you don't...
Given that there is NO evidence to support ANY other conclusion, then the ONLY logical or rational conclusion is that it was something OTHER than the weather that prompted the decision to move the venue..
Now, ADD to that, the FACT that people had to be bussed in from as far away as Georgia, then what is the ONLY logical conclusion that would fit ALL the facts??
Yep, you guessed it..
Now that THAT is settled...
Ya wanna talk about why Dems flip flopped on god and Israel??? :D
Michale.....
http://pub2.camera.trafficland.com/image/live.jpg?system=pub&webid=7855&pubtoken=43535ef4aa2f91a7a9085b40f21b2b36&0.16223461188431376
Looks like I-77 @ Brookshire is getting some rain...
Anyone in NC can tell me where the Convention Center is????
Lol actually no I don't give a crap about either God or Israel or the Democratic platform!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19509846
Doesn't seem too bad a bit north of Charlotte
http://pub2.camera.trafficland.com/image/live.jpg?system=pub&webid=7210&pubtoken=43535ef4aa2f91a7a9085b40f21b2b36&0.11294409630337088
Lol actually no I don't give a crap about either God or Israel or the Democratic platform!
Yet, you sure had a lot to say about the Republican platform...
Funny how that is, eh?? :D
Michale.....
Here's a pretty impressive CAM
http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRLG/CHRLG_l.jpg
Them are some pretty impressive storm clouds...
A couple more...
wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRMS/CHRMS_l.jpg
wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRPV/CHRPV_l.jpg
No doubt about it..
That's some pretty impressive weather...
Verdict is in: Obama levels more personal attacks
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80810.html
Cue the indignant denials from the kool-aid drinkers... :D
Michale.....
Yet, you sure had a lot to say about the Republican platform...
Funny how that is, eh?
Lol nope I didn't. As I repeated many times, I ignored the Republican platform because it's largely symbolic. If you want to discuss platforms then sure let's do it because the Republican one looks like it was written by people on drugs or a bunch of absolute maniac nut-caes on the right (or both)...
Verdict is in: Obama levels more personal attacks
I actually know there are sites that track the number of negative ads so we can use some of those facts that are much better than rhetoric, let me see if I can find it...
Yup http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/track-presidential-campaign-ads-2012/
Obama: 71% negative ads
Romney: 79% negative ads
So much for your politico rhetorical piece...
Lol nope I didn't. As I repeated many times, I ignored the Republican platform because it's largely symbolic. If you want to discuss platforms then sure let's do it because the Republican one looks like it was written by people on drugs or a bunch of absolute maniac nut-caes on the right (or both)...
As opposed to the Dem one who looked like it was written, re-written and written again by a bunch of ball-less twits... :D
Michale.....
Obama: 71% negative ads
Romney: 79% negative ads
So much for your politico rhetorical piece...
Ahhhh.. OK So we have ONE news outlet that says one thing and we have ANOTHER new outlet that says the opposite..
And, of course, YOU believe the one that supports YOUR position..
WHY am I not surprised!!!! :D
The indignant denials from the kool-aid drinkers were right on cue.... :D
But, let's take your info..
Amount spending for negative ads..
Barack Obama $90,655,300
Mitt Romney $55,193,460
Ya see, I can make stats say whatever *I* want them to say too!! :D
Besides, your report only discusses NEGATIVE ads, NOT personal attacks, which is the subject of the Politico report.
NOW do you have anything to dispute the report??
Other than the fact that you just don't like it??
Michale.....
That's your problem, michty..
I bring up a piece about bad apples and you respond with, "NO!!! YER WRONG!!!! THE ORANGES ARE AWESOME!!!"
Which is all fine and dandy...
*IF* we were talking about oranges....
Michale.....
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/intelligence-committee-chair-describes-explosive-confrontation-between-netanyahu-and-american-ambassador/262056/
What is it about the Left that they refuse to stand their ground and explicitly put a red line in the sand???
"I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!"
-Captain Jean Luc Picard, STAR TREK VIII, First Contact
Obama: 71% negative ads
Romney: 79% negative ads
Here's the difference, Michty..
When Romney goes "negative", he says that Obama is a bad president, that he has messed up the economy, he has not been competent...
When Obama goes "negative", HE says that Romney is a criminal, a cheat, a liar, a felon, a murderer...
Do you see the difference???
Ahhhh.. OK So we have ONE news outlet that says one thing and we have ANOTHER new outlet that says the opposite..
And, of course, YOU believe the one that supports YOUR position..
WHY am I not surprised
No actually we have one piece that is pure rhetoric and opinion compared to another piece with solid factual analysis of numbers (with no OPINION on the numbers - just presenting the facts), with the underlying data based on an external company (the Campaign Media Analysis Group). You might have worked out by now that I'm always going to go with the solid factual non-opinionated analysis over the rhetorical opinion based piece lol.
Amount spending for negative ads..
Barack Obama $90,655,300
Mitt Romney $55,193,460
Sure this is correct. But percentages provide context. It's like saying MILLIONS of Americans believe in rape with no exceptions. Without context and percentage this statement of fact makes the US electorate look very extreme.
Besides, your report only discusses NEGATIVE ads, NOT personal attacks, which is the subject of the Politico report.
NOW do you have anything to dispute the report??
Other than the fact that you just don't like it?
Lololol wow now you're reeaaaally struggling to rebut the fact that Romney uses negative ads more than Obama does. It's not negative it's personal! Lol what do you think a negative ad is? What do you think negative ads attack - Romney's horse??
When Romney goes "negative", he says that Obama is a bad president, that he has messed up the economy, he has not been competent...
When Obama goes "negative", HE says that Romney is a criminal, a cheat, a liar, a felon, a murderer...
Do you see the difference?
You are kidding right? My God you are so blind to reality. The CENTRE-PIECE of Romney's campaign is now two (blatantly false) attack ads saying that Obama is just handing out welfare cheques for fun and that he is robbing old-ladies of their Medicare...
http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRMS/CHRMS_l.jpg
Well, well, well... What have we here??? :D
Michale - the funny thing is that most days on here your attitude is 'both parties are as bad as each other'. Here, with negative ads, you actually have a point that most people would agree with (71%-79% is pretty close) but today for some reason you've decided that your overwhelming bias against Obama is moving you away from your normal position!
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/validProds.php?prod=AWW&node=KGSP
AIRPORT WEATHER WARNING FOR A CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING THREAT AT
THE CHARLOTTE DOUGLAS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
- National Weather Service.
You are kidding right? My God you are so blind to reality. The CENTRE-PIECE of Romney's campaign is now two (blatantly false) attack ads saying that Obama is just handing out welfare cheques for fun and that he is robbing old-ladies of their Medicare...
"Of course, you can PROVE that right!?? Oh that's right, I forgot. You were absent the day the taught LAW at Law School!"
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN
Show me the ad where Romney is saying that Obama is "robbing little old ladies"...
I expect something similar to the DEM ad that has Ryan pushing little old ladies over a cliff...
Besides, if you have a beef with the report, take it up with Politico...
But I am glad to see you acknowledge you have no evidence...
AIRPORT WEATHER WARNING FOR A CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING THREAT AT
THE CHARLOTTE DOUGLAS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
Do you realize how far Douglas Airport is away from Bank Of America Stadium??? :D
Further, that warning expires at 1845 hours.. Obama's speech is at 2200 hours..
There is absolutely NOTHING weather related that justifies moving the speech indoors... Especially in light of Obama's personal history of making speeches without ANY regard to weather...
This is a losing issue for you.. Accept it and move on...
But I am glad to see you acknowledge you have no evidence.
Amazing. You provide an article that is pure rhetoric with no facts, evidence or any data at all; I provide a link to actual facts, evidence and data. But I'M the one who has no evidence! Well done.
Michale, how long do you think it takes to get 75,000 people into a stadium? Do you think they would've just opened it at 9.55pm and everyone would be ready to go by 10pm?? lol
Damn you sucked me in again. Ok I'm out for good this time.
So Michale how you going to feel tomorrow when Obama delivers a top speech that goes down well then the jobs numbers come out in the morning to really hammer the point through? I think you and Mr Romney will be rather deflated...
Michale
Especially in light of Obama's personal history of making speeches without ANY regard to weather.
The FACT that Obama has NEVER let rain stop a speech, NEVER let rain cause a speech to be moved
Fact-check: FALSE
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/31/storms-force-obama-to-delay-memorial-day-speech/
Sorry, michty but that's wrong...
Obama didn't cancel the speech.. He simply cut it short..
Under the cover of a large umbrella, he told thousands gathered before him that while "a little rain never hurt anybody," nobody wanted "anybody struck by lightning." He asked people to return to their cars for their safety, and he retreated briefly to an administration building on the cemetery's grounds. Obama a few minutes later boarded a pair of buses to greet military families that came for the event.
You prove my point for me.
If Obama was as worried about weather as YOU claim he is, he would have never even STARTED the speech. He would have canceled at the first report of possible rain..
Obama has NEVER let weather cancel a speech or cause a change of venue...
This is FACT..
Therefore, such an abundance of caution so far out over weather is completely atypical of Obama.
This is FACT....
Ergo, the only LOGICAL conclusion is that there were other factors that were in play...
And, just so we're clear...
http://wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRMS/CHRMS_l.jpg
Charlotte is too... :D
This is a losing issue for you. The facts are all on my side..
All you have is the word of the DNC...
I'de fold...
Michale.....
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316111/thought-police-patrol-conventions-radio-row-john-fund
What are Democrats afraid of???
Michale.....
Alluding to a post you made before, michty..
Yea, I have become more partisan, more bitchy, more competitive...
Dunno if it's the Conventions, the closeness of the actual election or the fact that Democrats seem to be frak'ing up left and right... (no pun intended)
But you are correct.. I am more aggressive...
http://tinyurl.com/9syfenv
Charlotte's Doppler shows clear..
I have a feeling that Obama is going to look like an ass....
The GOP is going to have a FIELD day with this...
Michale -
Really don't have time for this, but...
So I thought you always laughed at lefties for saying "Obama is godlike" and yet here you are saying he should have known what the weather would be like 48 hrs before it happened.
Now who is ascribing godlike powers to Obama? Or expecting them?
Give it up -- it's sheer conspiracy theory that Obama cancelled for any other reason than concern for people's safety. After all, if lightning had struck at his speech, what would the right have said then, hmmm?
Sheesh. I mean, really.
-CW
Give it up -- it's sheer conspiracy theory that Obama cancelled for any other reason than concern for people's safety. After all, if lightning had struck at his speech, what would the right have said then, hmmm?
But the point is, he has NEVER done that!
Not ONE single time has Obama canceled a speech or moved a speech because of the weather...
NOT ONE SINGLE TIME...
NOW.... When there is evidence that Obama can't fill the venue, NOW all of the sudden, the weather becomes an issue???
There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to support the conclusion that the venue was changed due to weather..
NO EVIDENCE, sans the DNC's say so...
Yet, there is PLENTY of evidence to support that, RAIN OR SHINE, Obama gives his speeches... PLENTY OF EVIDENCE, up to **AND INCLUDING** the DNC's own words a week or so ago...
A week or so ago, Obama would give his speech at Bank Of America Stadium ***RAIN OR SHINE***....
But, once it was realized that Obama couldn't fill that venue, ALL OF THE SUDDEN, the weather became a factor..
What would Spock say???
Irregardless of all that... Will you still get in???
Michale......
Really don't have time for this, but...
I am.... honored..... :D
Michale.....
wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRLG/CHRLG_l.jpg
wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRPV/CHRPV_l.jpg
wwc.instacam.com/instacamimg/CHRMS/CHRMS_l.jpg
It's a beautiful clear evening in Charlotte, NC
http://tinyurl.com/9syfenv
No storm clouds whatsoever on Doppler...
Ya know... Even though the facts are clearly and unequivocally on my side...
They DON'T matter....
The PERCEPTION is that Obama panicked when he realized he couldn't fill the venue..
And here we are....
Michale.....
Well you've certainly opened my eyes to your definition of what a 'fact' is. That explains a lot...
Well you've certainly opened my eyes to your definition of what a 'fact' is. That explains a lot...
That's better than Democrats who always worry about what the definition of 'is' is :D
I hope from reading CW's comments in the 'Convention Liveblog' post that you realise how easy it is to jump to hysterical conclusions based on your own bias and biased information.
I'd hope this would be a lesson but I imagine when you return from your hiatus I will find out it hasn't...
CW's observations DO add (finally) some real evidence to support the claim that weather was the reason for the venue change..
Speaking objectively, it's not suffecient to override the behavior and tendencies of Obama for the last four years..
NEVER, in the last four years (when Obama had control to do so) did he EVER change a venue due to weather...
NEVER.. Not ONCE...
So, we have Obama's history..
Further, we have the DNC saying ONLY a week before that Obama's speech will be at the BoA "RAIN OR SHINE"... It should ALSO be noted that from the time the DNC made that "RAIN OR SHINE" comment until the decision was made to move the venue, *THE WEATHER FORECAST HAD NOT CHANGED*
The weather forecast at the time that the "RAIN OR SHINE" statement was made was the EXACT SAME weather forecast that was in place when the decision to change the venue was made...
Given these FACTS, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to come to the conclusion that weather was the factor in the decision to change the venue..
NOW...
You MIGHT have an argument that the reason for the change was NOT because of the fear of an empty stadium.
THAT is an arguable point. Especially in light of CW's on the ground observations..
So, we CAN debate THAT point..
But the change of venue was NOT due to the weather forecast, as the DNC claims..
It simply cannot be, due to the facts...
Michale....
CW's observations DO add (finally) some real evidence to support the claim that weather was the reason for the venue change..
Actually, as I note later in the comment, CW's observations support the idea that an empty stadium was not the concern that prompted the change of venue...
CW's observations have absolutely nothing to do with the issue of weather being/not being the reason for the change of venue..
Sorry for not being clearer...
Michale.....
But the change of venue was NOT due to the weather forecast, as the DNC claims..
It simply cannot be, due to the facts
Lol ok. You are a lost case. Even when clear facts prove otherwise, you can't see the light. Apparently Democrats can't count very well and didn't know from their ticket sales that the stadium was going to be empty until 2-3 DAYS before the speech... Then, despite the logistical/security issues, they made the last minute decision to switch the speech citing weather as the reason, leaving thousands of people with tickets missing the speech... Sounds perfectly feasible in 'Michale-world' where the President is so well organised he can fake birth certificates for fun! Lol.
But the change of venue was NOT due to the weather forecast, as the DNC claims..
It simply cannot be, due to the facts
Do you have ANYTHING to dispute the facts???
No, you don't...
Ergo, you are wrong..
There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that the decision to change the venue was based on the weather.
NO..... POSSIBLE..... WAY.......
It's really THAT simple....
Michale.....
What facts? You haven't presented any. In your opinion Obama would never cancel a speech because of the weather (even when I provided evidence this wasnt true); in your opinion the weather was similar in 2008; in your opinion they were bussing people in and this act somehow represents them struggling to fill a stadium!
The only FACTS we are agreed upon are:
- Weather stations were reporting a 30-40% chance of rain and thunderstorms
- Charlotte airport issued a weather warning on the day of the speech.
- Many media sources have reported a 17,000 person waiting list - including this very media site that you post on.
But of course in Michale-world these are all giant media-Google-CW-weathermen conspiracies. You can respond if you like I'm done with this stupid argument - you can't see any logic or anything that doesn't fit your own bigoted Obama-is-evil world view...
Once again, you ignore the facts that you have no answer for.
The very facts that PROVE my point..
FACT: DNC officials stated that Obama's speech would be in the BofA stadium "RAIN OR SHINE".
FACT: Approx a week later, the venue was changed to a much smaller location.
FACT: In between the time of the two afore mentioned facts, NO CHANGE IN THE PROJECTED WEATHER OCCURRED.
So, the DNC makes one determination one week and a totally opposite determination the next week and absolutely NO CHANGE IN THE FORECAST HAD OCCURRED.
So, please explain exactly how the change in venue was the "weather" when NO weather change occurred??
"I would LOVE to hear this!"
-Vincent Gambini, MY COUSIN VINNY
- Weather stations were reporting a 30-40% chance of rain and thunderstorms
Nope. At the time of the speech, the forecast was for clear skies and 0% chance of rain..
Which is EXACTLY what occurred..
- Charlotte airport issued a weather warning on the day of the speech.
On the MORNING of the day of the speech. A speech that was going to occur more than 12 hours later. In a LOCATION that was more than a dozen miles away from the SPEECH location..
As usual, your "facts" are suspect and even the facts that ARE correct are utterly irrelevant to the issue at hand...
The FACT was, it was a clear night with NO RAIN when Obama gave his speech...
Obama panicked.. Simple as that...
Whether he panicked because of the weather, as YOU claim, or he panicked because he couldn't fill the stadium, the fact of the matter is...
Obama panicked...
A panicky leader is a failed leader...
Michale....
If we're done with this, we can always talk about Gun Control.. :D
Michale.....
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/09/11/cairo-us-embassy-protesters-prophet-mohammad/70000126/1#.UE-BQlGnzUJ
Looks like Obama's handling of Egypt is not the shining example of his foreign policy prowess he would like us to believe it is...
Michale.....