Escape Hatch, Can-Kick, Or Shutdown?
The immigration fight just got a little more complicated for the Republicans. A federal judge in Texas issued a preliminary injunction blocking implementation of President Obama's new immigration policy, which has thrown a curve ball into the Republican congressional strategy of having a big political battle over immigration next week. Will they realize the ruling gives them a political "escape hatch" out of their unwinnable position? Will they use the legal case as an excuse to "kick the can down the road" a bit more? Or will they just go ahead and shut down the Department of Homeland Security anyway? These are really their only three viable options, and all of Washington is atwitter over which they'll choose to take.
The ruling was pretty predictable, since the Republicans went judge-shopping to find the federal judge most opposed to the Obama immigration policy before filing their case. What happens next legally is not so predictable, but neither side should be counting on total victory at this point. The ruling itself is a standard sort of thing -- whenever a court case is winding its way through the system, judges routinely issue orders to preserve the legal status quo. As the judge wrote, you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. Obama's new program would have changed the status quo, therefore it is now on hold. But the ruling is not as sweeping as some are now pretending -- it does not address the actual constitutionality of Obama's action at all, because the case itself hasn't been ruled upon (it's just a temporary injunction, not a judicial decision). So Republicans saying a judge has agreed with them that Obama's actions were "illegal" are simply not true, at least yet.
Liberals call the judge's reasoning for the injunction spurious and predict it will be overturned on appeal. The appellate court they have to go to, however, is the 5th Circuit -- a very conservative venue. But whether the judge's order is overturned immediately or not, the court case itself is nowhere near over. In the end, however, the court case will quite likely go against the Obama administration, given the judge that will be ruling on it. Other federal judges have ruled in favor of the Obama administration on the same question, so the whole thing could wind up before the Supreme Court as early as next year. But for the time being, Obama's hands are tied -- the program will not start (at least until after the 5th Circuit rules on the expected appeal, which would likely take at least a few weeks).
But the funding for Homeland Security runs out on the 27th of this month. So Congress is almost certainly going to have to act before anything else happens in the courts. Which is why there's been a burst of speculation about what the Republicans will do next. The first thought many had was that this gives the Republicans the perfect exit from a corner they had painted themselves into. They'd have an easy excuse to end their hostage-taking over the D.H.S. budget, because they could say "the courts have halted Obama's new program, therefore we can go ahead and fund the department's budget" -- without the poison-pill language they've inserted in an effort to overturn Obama's policy. It'd be an easy way out of the mess for Republicans, in other words. "Congress didn't have to act, because the judiciary acted instead," they could tell themselves. Call it the judicial escape hatch (as many have already done).
Republican leaders showed no immediate inclination to take this route, though, which gave rise to further speculation that they would instead opt for kicking the can down the road a bit. This would be the second such can-kick on the D.H.S. budget (the first was in December, which set up the artificial and self-imposed deadline of Feb. 27). Republicans might be more inclined to postpone their big political fight, this reasoning goes, but still refuse to fund the D.H.S. budget for the rest of the fiscal year. After all, the circuit court could rule as early as March, so perhaps a one-month or two-month budget extension would be the way to go. That way, if the appellate court reversed the judge's ruling, Congress could jump in and restart the big immigration showdown.
Republican leaders haven't noticeably warmed to this idea, yet. The rank-and-file is already against the notion. We've got the big fight scheduled for the next two weeks, they argue, so why postpone it a month? Nothing will change in that time period no matter what the courts rule, so let's have the fight now while we're all keyed up and ready for it!
This is where reality and fantasy crash into each other, of course. The fantasy of the hardliners in both the House and the Senate is that a whole passel of Democrats will suddenly see the light and start voting for their bill. This is just not going to happen. The very best-case scenario for Republicans would be passing the House bill in the Senate (gaining the six or seven Democratic votes they'll need) -- and then watching the president veto it. The veto would put us all right back to square one. There is just no way Republicans are ever going to gin up a veto-proof two-thirds majority in both houses of Congress to overturn such a veto. That's the hard cold reality of the situation that the hardliners refuse to face.
Which brings us to the third choice the Republican leaders have. Let the hardliners drive things over the brink, and shut down the Department of Homeland Security. Yeah, that'll show Obama! Most people employed by the department would have to keep showing up for work anyway (being "essential" personnel), so nothing much would change, the hardliners will argue. But this ignores the fact that even though they'll all show up, they will not be getting paychecks. Do you really want T.S.A. workers and the Border Patrol and the F.B.I. disgruntled about their paychecks? Really?
Once again, the reality (as opposed to the fantasy) is that Obama is going to win this political fight even if the department is temporarily shut down. Polling already shows that the public would blame Republicans more than Obama for such a shutdown by a margin of 53 percent to 30 percent. And that's before most people are even paying attention.
The Republican leadership is well aware of this reality. They know how bad it would look for them to shut down a crucial branch of the government a mere two months after taking control of both houses of Congress. So much for "getting things done," eh? But the basic political dynamic they're facing within their own party is going to be unforgiving (as it usually is) when the reality meets the fantasy. The hardliners will tell each other: "We could have done it if we had just refused to budge," even though this is patently ridiculous, given the math.
So my prediction is that nothing much is going to change in the next week. John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will still be locked into a standoff to see which one blinks first, by finally moving on a "clean" budget bill. Neither one will see any possible political benefit from acting in any fashion right up until the last minute. To do so would be to cave before the battle is truly joined, according to the hardliners.
Both McConnell and Boehner will be reliably parroting the hardliners' talking points for at least the next week. The pressure has to rise before any action will be even contemplated. Some time on the last day possible, some action may begin (or, perhaps, a few days after the last day possible, if they go ahead and shut the department down to really prove their conservative bona fides to the rank-and-file).
In the end, either Boehner or McConnell will blink. A clean bill will pass, with the help of many Democratic votes, and Obama will sign it. This may only be a "kick the can" bill that postpones the fight for a few weeks or a few months, or it may fund the department for the rest of the year. Either way, at the time the clean bill is introduced -- but not one second before -- Republicans will indeed use the escape hatch and try to sell their own members on the: "We don't need to do this, the courts are doing it for us!" rationale. But we've got at least a week's more Kabuki theater to endure before this happens, and during that time neither Boehner nor McConnell will publicly be seen to give an inch on the hardliners' fantasy.
-- Chris Weigant
Cross-posted at The Huffington Post
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There is a flaw in your reasoning..
Regardless of what Bonehead and McQuacken decide, the simple fact is the judge's ruling is a ruling based on an administrative function of the Executive Branch...
This all but guarantees that Obama's amnesty to criminals will not take effect for at LEAST 6-10 months... More likely, a couple years..
Sorry, Democrats. No freshly minted Demcorat voters for 2016...
You'll have to actually EARN an election victory, as opposed to stealing one...
Michale
Michale -
For someone who professes a love of facts, you seem to cling tightly to this particular lie.
(1) Under Obama's program, nobody gets citizenship. Nobody. They just don't get deported.
(2) Under the Senate bill (now defunct) that passed 2 yrs ago with a bipartisan 68 votes, the people put on the path to citizenship would take a MINIMUM of 13 years to be naturalized.
So where are these "freshly minted Democratic voters for 2016" you speak of?
This is a lie. It is nowhere near factual. Sorry.
-CW
"Sorry, Democrats. No freshly minted Democrat voters for 2016...
You'll have to actually EARN an election victory, as opposed to stealing one..."
Stupidest comment ever. Nothing about Obama's immigration actions would "mint" voters 2016, or even even 2026!
As CW said Republicans went judge shopping and found a Winger Bush appointee in Texas willing to get "creative." Wingers of course couldn't be happier to gave an "activist judge."
If anyone will be "minting" Democratic voters in 2016 its Republicans. They've, rightly, written off the Black vote long ago. But being racist as they are, how they lost the Black vote has never mattered to them. Which is why they're so intent on replicating their success with Black voters in Hispanic and Latino voters.
CW,
Tried half a dozen times! Your "April Surprise" post will not accept my comments.
Silly, silly libs. ACORN lets the Mexicans vote.
Michale,
I really feel for you, buddy ... I know you were just joking.
Every once in a while, though, we all need a proper smack-down. :)
LewDan -
Gimme a minute...
I am working behind the scenes towards an ultimate solution for all the improperly "filtered" comments, for everybody. Can't predict when I'll succeed, but just to let everyone know, I am indeed working on a solution...
-CW
LewDan -
OK, cleared them all, as well as one from TheStig.
Sorry for the hassle, as I said, I'm working on the problem. I'll let people know when there's progress.
If this situation happens to you, please post a comment saying simply "my other comments are being eaten!" and I will get on it, promise.
-CW
(1) Under Obama's program, nobody gets citizenship. Nobody. They just don't get deported.
I never claimed that they would get citizenship..
But they WILL be legal. They WILL be allowed documents..
Which WILL allow them to vote..
So where are these "freshly minted Democratic voters for 2016" you speak of?
It's been well documented that states are not equipped to weed out those with IDs who are NOT allowed to vote from those with IDs who ARE allowed to vote..
Ergo, anyone who has an ID will be able to vote..
Result? Millions of freshly minted Democrat voters...
Michale
This is a lie. It is nowhere near factual. Sorry.
Actually, it's dead on ballz accurate..
But, no one here will admit the facts...
Gods forbid that ya'all have to admit that Michale was right.. TS did it the first week of November and surely his tongue almost turned to fire... :D
We already saw tens of thousands of illegal immigrant voters in the 2014 midterms..
If Obama's programs are allowed to go thru before the 2016, we will see millions and millions of illegal immigrant voters in 2016....
These are the facts, whether anyone here wants to admit them or not..
Michale
is why they're so intent on replicating their success with Black voters in Hispanic and Latino voters.
By not becoming the FREE RIDE or FREE STUFF Party..
Personally, I'll take my integrity and self-reliance over being enslaved by the FREE RIDE/FREE STUFF Party..
But, apparently, that's just me...
Michale
I really feel for you, buddy ... I know you were just joking.
Actually, I was completely serious...
And also completely factually accurate..
It's like the claim that Pro-Criminal-Immigrant people that giving all these criminals amnesty will be a GOOD thing because they will PAY taxes..
But, as I pointed out (and no one could refute) the amnesty-ed criminals will actually GET money from the taxpayers...
Not only will they GET money back, but they will also get BONUSES from the IRS for being here illegally the past years...
What I say are not "lies" no matter how much people here want to believe they are...
These are the stone cold facts, proven by circumstances and recent history...
Amnesty-ed criminals WILL cost American taxpayers millions of dollars in aid and tax refunds..
Amnesty-ed criminals WILL vote in our elections... In enough numbers to actually change the outcome of elections..
These are the facts... And they are indisputable..
I challenge anyone to PROVE me wrong.
But please.. Prove me wrong with FACTS...
Not with name-calling...
Betcha no one can do that....
Michale
(1) Under Obama's program, nobody gets citizenship. Nobody. They just don't get deported.
Sorry, CW.. I have to call BS on this..
They don't just get "not deported"..
They get work authorization.
They get IDs.
They get Social Security eligibility.
They get state and federal aid...
They get refunds and BACK refunds from the IRS..
All at the expense of the American taxpayer...
All of which, I am also constrained to point out, will make them able to vote...
These are the facts....
Michale
They don't just get "not deported"..
They get work authorization.
They get IDs.
They get Social Security eligibility.
They get state and federal aid...
They get refunds and BACK refunds from the IRS..
And these *facts* prove that Obama's order under the guise of "prosecutorial discretion" is completely without merit..
"Prosecutorial discretion" means what it says. The discretion to prosecute or not to prosecute. In this case, the discretion to deport or not to deport..
But Obama's order/memo/whatever doesn't just address deportation.. It gives benefits and authorizations to illegal immigrant criminals. This is clearly beyond the scope of ANY "prosecutorial discretion"..
And THAT (along with an Administrative issue) is the basis of the judge's ruling..
A ruling, I might add, which follows THE LAW and will mean a reversal of Obama's order..
So, the GOP is free to fund the DHS, knowing that the courts will take care of Obama's improper and borderline illegals actions..
Michale
But Obama's order/memo/whatever doesn't just address deportation.. It gives benefits and authorizations to illegal immigrant criminals. This is clearly beyond the scope of ANY "prosecutorial discretion"..
To put it into context that ya'all will understand (but deny), it's like this.
Cops arrest a man for DUI.. Using normal Prosecutorial Discretion, the District Attorney decides NOT to prosecute the driver..
Using Obama's version of Prosecutorial Discretion, the District Attorney not only decides NOT to prosecute the driver, but the DA, knowing that the driver will vote for him in the next election, gives the driver a new car, a life-time supply of beer/wine and a check for $500, all at taxpayers expense...
That is exactly what Obama has done with his DAPA program..
Class dismissed...
Michale
The ruling was pretty predictable, since the Republicans went judge-shopping to find the federal judge most opposed to the Obama immigration policy before filing their case.
Ya'all really can't slam the GOP for "judge-shopping" when the Left is just as guilty of that...
Michale
They'd have an easy excuse to end their hostage-taking over the D.H.S. budget,
Siiiiiggghhhhhh
So, let me see if I understand this...
When Democrats are the majority and propose legislation and Republicans obstruct the legislation, Republicans are guilty of "hostage taking"...
When Republicans are the majority and propose legislation and Democrats obstruct the legislation, Republicans are STILL guilty of "hostage taking"...
On what planet in the entire galaxy does that make ANY kind of logical or rational sense??
Michale
Having said all of the afore, I agree with you, CW..
The best course of action is to fund the DHS and let the courts eviscerate Obama's unethical/borderline illegal actions...
Just like the GOP should stand down on opposing TrainWreckCare and let the courts eviscerate THAT pile o' crap as well...
If the GOP does follow this advice, it will be a pretty sure indication on how the courts will likely rule...
Michale
CW -
Once again, you've mapped out the situation much better than any of the mainstream pundits.
What's causing your filter to trip? I notice my longer posts are more likely to get mired, but that may simply reflect that more prose means a higher probability of doing whatever displeases the filter?
Crossing threads, the surgery went very well; I was going blind in my right eye, post op it's 20/10 in good light...with a compensating lens hooked up to my ciliary muscles so I can read the newspaper AND highway signs out to 400 yds without additional correction. In and out of the Operating Room in 15 minutes, driving in 4 days. Probably do the other eye in about 3-5 yrs.
so I can read the newspaper AND highway signs out to 400 yds without additional correction.
When you look at out the highway signs at 400 yds, do you hear a "do-de-do-de-do-de-do-de-do-de-do-de-do-de-do-de-do-de" type sound??
:D
Michale
You have to be a citizen to vote. The mythical winger voter fraud doesn't really exist. Tax refunds and Social Security payments are undocumented workers getting their own money back, as there is no legs basis to retain it.
Apparently, wingers are dedicated to the law only as long as it allows them to steal from the undocumented. Exploiting undocumented workers is, apparently, another of those "rights" that white people have "earned" in this country.
You have to be a citizen to vote.
That's true..
It also has nothing to do with my point..
Exploiting undocumented workers is, apparently, another of those "rights" that white people have "earned" in this country.
Yea, I hate it when Left wingers exploit illegal immigrant criminals too.. :D
Michale
Michale,
You're a Winger so you wouldn't know this but there's this concept called "good faith."
When Democrats are in the majority they try to teach accords with Republicans. Republicans refuse to participate in anything supported by Democrats. That's "bad faith." Republicans then do whatever they can to block any Democratic initiative. That's "obstruction."
Republicans intentionally split off DHS funding just so they can hold it hostage and attach entirely unrelated demands that they know are completely unacceptable to Democrats. Now, in Michale's world if you refuse to pay ransom, you are taking hostages, not the ones holding guns to the hostages head demanding ransom!
Again, attaching unacceptable strings to legislation vital to security in order to coerce opposition into accepting your demand is "bad faith" negotiation. Declining to be blackmailed by refusing to pay ransom is not "obstruction."
As always, wingers think that they can "spin" reality such that Democrats will be blamed for the transgressions of Republicans. As Republican party strategy is based on Americans being stupid. After all, Republicans are.
I have decided to approach responding to you, Dan, from a different angle..
From now own, I am just going to respond to the relevant facts you post and ignore the childish personal attacks and immature name-calling..
OK, so...
Ah.... nope...
Hmmmmm... no, none here...
.. Oh wait... uh nope....
Here's one!! oh, no not really...
Oh well.....
Michale
M-20
Only when I watch the original Outer Limits series, which thankfully is available in its B&W glory from Netflix streaming. Shatner stars in Nightmare at 20,000 ft, which is one of the better episodes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dar2HKImK-0
I'd like a Borg-esque red laser in my next prosthetic lens.
Only when I watch the original Outer Limits series, which thankfully is available in its B&W glory from Netflix streaming. Shatner stars in Nightmare at 20,000 ft, which is one of the better episodes.
I was thinking more along the lines of THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN and his bionic eye..
The sound effect doesn't translate well to the written word..
But it's nice to see that, age wise, we are contemporaries..
Shatner takes a LOT of ribbing, but he is first and foremost, a consummate actor..
I'd like a Borg-esque red laser in my next prosthetic lens.
Now we're talkin!! Every time I see my wife with her blue tooth, I intone, "YOU ARE BETINA OF BORG" :D
Michale
Speaking of Bluetooth..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii674FTYS-U
Funniest bluetooth commercial ever.. :D
Michale
Michale,
Since you were unable to identify any "facts" maybe you could identify the "childish personal attack" you referred to?!
As for "immature name calling":
"Bonehead and McQuacken", Michale #1
"FREE RIDE/FREE STUFF Party": Michale #11
"Pro-Criminal-Immigrant": Michale #12 (The challenge to prove you wrong without "name-calling" is a nice touch.--A preemptive hypocritical whine.)
"TrainWreckCare": Michale #18 (What would any post be without Michale finding a way to insert "TrainWreckCare?")
Love how you wingers (maybe that should be whiners?!) always always play the victim whenever anyone else treats you the way you treat everyone else.--Which, of course, is why you're so desperately trying to convince everyone that Democrats are responsible for the DHS shutdown Republicans are orchestrating.
"I never claimed that they would get citizenship..
But they WILL be legal. They WILL be allowed documents..
Which WILL allow them to vote.." -Michale #9
You have to be a citizen to vote.
"That's true..
It also has nothing to do with my point.." -Michale #22
Now, when you make two mutually exclusive claims, at least one has to be a lie. But this is Michale. They're both lies!
As for "prosecutorial discretion" there are no laws preventing people from getting IDs, drivers licenses, or their money back as required by law simply because they are in the country without permission. Undocumented immigrants aren't even "illegal" until they've been formally denied permission to stay.
I know a former LEO like you, Michale, wouldn't know this, but in America there're these things called "presumption of innocence" and "due process". What that means is that the only thing preventing undocumented immigrants from obtaining IDs, drivers licenses, IRS refunds, and Social Security numbers is that they would have been detained, processed, and potentially deported before they could obtain them.
Which means the "prosecutorial discretion" that defers those arrests and prosecutions does entitle them to IDs, SSNs, drivers licenses, and IRS refunds. It isn't Obama who's changing the law. It's you changing the law without benefit of there actually being a law!
Congress is free to enact specific bars to drivers licenses, IDs, SSNs, and IRS refunds. If it enacts them undocumented immigrants won't be entitled to them, even if prosecution is deferred.
. It isn't Obama who's changing the law.
Actually, it IS Obama changing the law..
How do I know??
Because he said so...
As for "immature name calling":
If THAT is what *YOU* call immature name-calling then every Weigantian up to AND including CW, is guilty of it..
But, of course, your "reality" is not THE reality.. :^/
Michale
What that means is that the only thing preventing undocumented immigrants from obtaining IDs, drivers licenses, IRS refunds, and Social Security numbers is that they would have been detained, processed, and potentially deported before they could obtain them.
I really don't know how to address such broad-faced totally and unequivocal BULLSHIT portrayed as fact...
So, I won't even bother...
Michale
Still no facts...
Just immature name-calling and childish personal attacks..
Same old Dan.. :D
Michale
"Still no facts...
Just immature name-calling and childish personal attacks..
Same old Dan.. :D
Michale"
Lol--Project much?!
Lol--Project much?!
This, coming from the guy who said Obama is a terrorist.. :D
Michale
Oh! Those cwafty immigrants!
I bet they just can't wait to register with the government as foreign aliens so that they can trick the government into believing they are citizens! Just so they can vote in furtherance of the Evil Overlord's dastardly plan!--And did I mention that Republicans are stupid?!
I bet they just can't wait to register with the government as foreign aliens so that they can trick the government into believing they are citizens! Just so they can vote in furtherance of the Evil Overlord's dastardly plan!-
You've been hanging around JFC too long. :D
But it's funny.. What you said in jest sounds EXACTLY what you say seriously about Republicans.. :D
Michale
"It's been well documented that states are not equipped to weed out those with IDs who are NOT allowed to vote from those with IDs who ARE allowed to vote..
Ergo, anyone who has an ID will be able to vote..
Result? Millions of freshly minted Democrat voters...
Michale"
Who's jesting? What I said is what Republicans believe. And its what you yourself said, in all seriousness, in #9, #10, #12, and #13. It may be funny because its stupid, but I didn't say it because its funny. I said it because its stupid. There weren't tens of thousands of illegals voting in 2014, or any other year.
The government is well equipped to keep people registered as foreign aliens from voting. Michale thinks anyone with a Green Card or visa can vote just because they can obtain ID. The whole reason photo IDs are such a red herring is that it isn't your ID that qualifies you to vote. Your eligibility is established long before you show up at the polls when you register to vote.
Michale claims that every voter should present ID to prove they're eligible to vote, and you shouldn't give undocumented immigrants IDs because IDs don't prove you're eligible to vote. (?!) Michale seems to think that just having ID enables you to vote. So you restrict voters by restricting who has ID.
Which is at least semi-honest because the push for photo voter ID has never been about identification of eligible voters, its always been about restricting voting to only those who've been issued ID in order to eliminate eligible voters from voting.
I would respond to your points, but I made a pact with myself that I would only respond to the FACTS you post..
No facts.. So, no response..
Michale
"I really don't know how to address such broad-faced totally and unequivocal BULLSHIT portrayed as fact...
So, I won't even bother...
Michale" #32
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/19/the-next-step-one-state-could-take-to-combat-obamas-executive-immigration-action/
Apparently Kansas SOS Korbach thinks it is fact.
But, fear not! For "broad-faced totally and unequivocal BULLSHIT" there's always Michale's comments.
BTW Michale,
Let me congratulate you on your new debating technique. I whole heartedly recommend that you stick with it.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/19/the-next-step-one-state-could-take-to-combat-obamas-executive-immigration-action/
Apparently Kansas SOS Korbach thinks it is fact.
Now I have seen everything!!
Dan is quoting Glenn Beck and calling it a "fact"!! :D
What's next?? Going to be BBFs with Rush Limbaugh?? ROFL
Michale
Michale,
When Korbach is quoted and the actual legislation he's proposing is described, along with his reason for proposing it, it doesn't matter who is doing the reporting.
No wonder you love to challenge others to produce "facts" so you can deny them, claim they have no facts, and that you "win" the debate! You won't accept sources from the Left because they're biased. And you won't accept sources from the Right because they've no credibility. (Unless YOU are the one citing them!)
Apparently you only believe the voices in your head! Unlike your cites, however, this isn't an opinion piece. It's actual news reportage, and at least nominally factual.
Nice try though. I particularly like the way one of your own sources is suddenly recognized by you as the loon that he is! And winger talking-points are suddenly without merit. Rest assured that your unequalled reputation for hypocrisy and irrationality is secure!
So, BBF with Rush is next, right?? :D
What exactly is so loony about what Korbach is saying??
You just don't seem to get that we are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.
For all intents and purposes, these are criminals...
They are no different than a thief who breaks into someone's house and lives there consuming resources meant for the LEGAL resident..
As long as they are criminals, they have no rights and they are not owed a damn thing by this country..
When you take in these illegal criminals into your own home and you provide for their needs at your OWN expense, then you will have a moral right to preach..
But, not before..
I am also constrained to point out that, if these illegal criminals overwhelmingly voted for Republicans, you would be making the EXACT same argument I am making..
The only difference is we would be in complete agreement...
Michale
I particularly like the way one of your own sources is suddenly recognized by you as the loon that he is!
When did I ever use Glenn Beck as a "source"??
Michale
BTW Michale,
Let me congratulate you on your new debating technique. I whole heartedly recommend that you stick with it.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln"
Actually, I am simply realizing that debating with someone so consumed by racial and political bigotry to the point of fanaticism is completely and utterly useless..
You insult and demean anyone who disagrees with you.
And I am not the only one who has noticed it.
So, for the sanity of all Weigantians, I am going to do my damnest to not give you any more rant fodder..
Michale
"You just don't seem to get that we are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.
For all intents and purposes, these are criminals...
They are no different than a thief who breaks into someone's house and lives there consuming resources meant for the LEGAL resident.."
First, they are not criminals. They haven't been convicted of any crimes. You don't get that if you've a right to ignore the law and claim people who've never been convicted are criminals simply because you find it convenient, you've no right to criticize anyone else for ignoring laws that they find inconvenient.
As it happens, this country was founded on the belief that people have a right to defy unjust laws. You wingers think you've a right to wail about undocumented immigrants being "illegal" as justification to refuse to fix our broken immigration system. The reality is that as long as you refuse to fix our immigration system immigrants have every right to ignite the law.--And they will.
I know that you wingers don't do reality, but that doesn't mean reality won't do you.
And the undocumented aren't taking from us they are contributing to us. They contribute far more than they receive from anyone else.
And I "am constrained to point out" that immigrants, undocumented or otherwise, do not vote. For anyone.
You claim being called a liar is an "insult," a "personal attack," then stop lying. You don't like being called "stupid" them stop making stupid arguments that are obvious hypocritical lies. Don't want to be called "racist" then stop being racist.
All your protestations are just excuses for you making personal attacks because you cannot rationally defend the lies that you tell, while expecting impunity to tell, stupid and racist lies, without being criticized yourself.--"And I am not the only one who has noticed it."
"What exactly is so loony about what Korbach is saying??"
Good question.
"I really don't know how to address such broad-faced totally and unequivocal BULLSHIT portrayed as fact...
So, I won't even bother...
Michale" #32
What was so loony about my saying it in #30?
Now Korbach is wrong to think states can write their own immigration laws, as Jan Brewer discovered in Arizona. But he's right, as I said, that undocumented immigrants can be barred from drivers licenses, ect, by Congress simply passing legislation to prohibit it. But currently it is not prohibited by law. So the undocumented do have a right to them.
And why do you keep throwing up winger talking-heads? What's Beck and Rush have to do with anything?
OK, because I refuse to use Facebook, I can't comment at HuffPost anymore, but I wanted to express my appreciation for one HuffPost comment to this article.
Dennis McMahon wrote:
No No NO john and mitch, don't use the hatch, hide behind the chain saws ??
[Note: it helps if you've seen the commercial he's referencing...]
Have to say, that one got a big laugh from me. The power of humor is ALWAYS appreciated here! Well done, Dennis McMahon!!
:-)
-CW
OK, because I refuse to use Facebook, I can't comment at HuffPost anymore, but I wanted to express my appreciation for one HuffPost comment to this article.
If THAT isn't a sad commentary on HuffPoop (the fact that one of their premier contributors cannot even COMMENT to his own posts) NOTHING is....
Michale
If THAT isn't a sad commentary on HuffPoop (the fact that one of their premier contributors cannot even COMMENT to his own posts) NOTHING is....
Indeed. And, it's sadder still, Michale ...
I signed up for the damn thing just so that I could comment on Chris's HuffPost pieces - and, on one other set of pieces. While I was able to write a comment, no one, apparently, could see it.
I soon gave up but am now stuck with a FB account I don't use and never wanted. I've have decided to just ignore it out of existence.
The whole episode was a major trauma for a long time - just getting over it now, in fact ...
S I G H
:-(
That DM comment was pretty funny ... and illuminating.
Too bad he doesn't comment over here!
LizM -
I am still getting chuckles out of it...
"hide behind the chain saws!"
Heh...
:-)
-CW