Republican Conspiracy To Help Hillary Clinton
I start this article with a premise, and then build to a conclusion. As with any conspiracy theory, it's entirely up to you to measure how believable or ridiculous you find any of it. I formulated the premise from reading thousands of comments to online articles (most of them in the Washington Post, because their comments section is always a lively one). The premise: everything that helps Hillary Clinton politically has, at its heart, a liberal conspiracy.
This belief is widely shared among a certain subset of commenters to political and opinion articles. Hillary gets some good press? Well, everyone knows the media is a hotbed of liberals conspiring to keep a Republican out of the White House. Hillary does well at a debate? The moderators were lobbing her softball questions, as part of the liberal media conspiracy. Hillary does a funny sketch on Saturday Night Live? New York City is the headquarters of the liberal conspiracy, obviously. Hillary flip-flops on an issue? The pundits will all explain why it really isn't a flip-flop in the first place, so Hillary doesn't even have to.
But now this conspiracy seems to have reached a dangerous level of penetration not only into the media, but into the highest ranks of congressional Republicans. Gasp! Allow me to make my case, if you will.
Two weeks ago, the House Majority Leader -- a man who was being spoken of as a shoo-in to move up to the speaker's chair -- openly bragged that the Benghazi committee had caused Hillary Clinton's poll numbers to go down. Last week, a man fired from working on this committee charged that they were obsessed with taking down Clinton. The committee responded by claiming the worker was fired because he was too focused on Clinton. And today the news broke of a House Republican openly admitting that the Benghazi committee did indeed have an ulterior motive:
Sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in D.C. is to tell the truth. This may not be politically correct, but I think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, Hillary Clinton. After what Kevin McCarthy said, it's difficult to accept at least a part of it was not. I think that's the way Washington works. But you'd like to expect more from a committee that's spent millions of dollars and tons of time.
Taken together, it is obvious that something is going on here. Something that actually helps Hillary Clinton, in fact. Applying our premise, this means that there must be a liberal conspiracy behind it all.
Kevin McCarthy is no back-bencher, which should cause some real worry among conservatives as to how high this conspiracy has already reached within the ranks of Republican office-holders. He had no need to expose the committee's real goals. He was about to skate into a job nobody else wanted, but had to hastily withdraw after his comment. This has thrown the House into complete disarray, which helps not only Hillary Clinton but the entire Democratic Party.
Then the firing news popped up. The committee's excuse was simply not believable. Does anyone really think -- anyone, from any position on the political spectrum -- that the people running the Benghazi committee would fire someone for being too hard on Hillary Clinton? The very idea is laughable. I mean, even before all these open admissions, everybody already knew what the Benghazi committee's purpose was. It hasn't exactly been a secret, to put it mildly. So the public is left weighing "You fired me because all you wanted to do was take down Clinton" versus "No, you were fired because you yourself were obsessed with taking down Clinton." It's pretty easy to see which of those is more believable, really.
And now we have Representative Richard Hanna, admitting what everyone already knew anyway -- the committee was indeed "designed to go after... Hillary Clinton." Unlike with McCarthy's statement, there's simply no way to parse Hanna's quote to make it not say what it is obviously saying.
Hillary Clinton is slated to appear before this committee next week. This has always been looming over her campaign schedule, and it could have done her a lot of political damage. Now, however, Clinton can go on offense. Rather than adopting a defensive crouch, Clinton can clearly point out that even Republicans are now admitting the obvious -- that the committee was designed as nothing short of a star-chamber session designed to take her down a peg politically. She can throw these statements back in the face of the committee.
But remember, things that help Hillary always have a liberal conspiracy behind them. So this entire effort must have been orchestrated. The coordinated nature of these gaffes -- occurring right before Hillary testifies -- should be obvious, really. It's been said (and will be repeated endlessly over the next week) that McCarthy's comment was a "big gift" to Clinton. Hanna's statement is an even bigger gift. But, according to our premise, someone had to purchase those gifts, take them home, wrap them up, and hand them to her. OK, maybe that was taking the metaphor a bit too far, but you understand what I'm saying, right?
The only possible answer is that the vast, left-wing conspiracy has reached its treacherous tentacles higher into the Republican Party than anyone previously feared. Liberals are causing havoc in the House, and they've undermined the strongest anti-Hillary weapon the Republicans had. Next week's hearing will be seen as nothing more than partisan politics, or perhaps even as outright farce. Hillary Clinton doesn't even have to make this case anymore, since Republicans are doing such a dandy job of making that case for her.
There's no possible other explanation than a far-reaching liberal conspiracy. Some might say "Chris, you've lost it -- your tinfoil hat must be too tight!" I sneer at such commonsense thinking. I mean, really, what else explains what's going on? The possibility that some Republicans have realized their party has gone so far that the voters are actually starting to notice, and as a result are trying to disassociate themselves from the more radical partisans among them? Pure balderdash! The possibility that some Republicans have gotten tired of lying about the "Committee To Take Down Hillary Clinton" to the public and are admitting the truth in an effort to show some political honesty? Tommyrot!
Nah, it's gotta be a conspiracy. The liberals have grown so strong that they not only control the media, they're now starting to control House Republicans! They're more powerful than anyone thought! Everybody run!!!
Heh. I guess Hallowe'en is coming early this year....
-- Chris Weigant
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
Well, who will the Conservative Entertainment Complex focus their hate on if they don't have Prez Hillary? Wasn't it Hannity who tricked McCarthy into telling the truth? Come to think of it, didn't Rupert Murdoch raise money for Senator HilRod?
Kick 'em when they're up. Kick 'em when they're down.
It seems that the knee-jerk Hillary-haters simply cannot process the idea that other people might actually like her. It has be something else! Then folks like the Benghazi!-ites can't seem to fathom that the more they commit stunningly obvious witchhunts of her the more her supporters feel like defending her. (After the fifty-millionth attempt by Repubs to destroy Hillary via pushing "scandals" that always collapsed, we're simply not able to take Repub accusations seriously anymore and we resent these continued failed efforts). One of the beauties of this campaign season is the degree to which the "crazy" is coming out of the closet on the Repub side, because it's forcing a lot of people to face up to the reality that the Repub party has long since lost its legitimacy. Political junkies have known it; much of the media has refused to admit it and therefore the average not-interested-in-politics types didn't really know how extremely radical the party has become. Now they are finding out.
Yes, that is a pretty wild conspiracy theory..
Then the firing news popped up. The committee's excuse was simply not believable. Does anyone really think -- anyone, from any position on the political spectrum -- that the people running the Benghazi committee would fire someone for being too hard on Hillary Clinton?
Let me offer another possibility..
The guy running the committee is an honorable man who is sincerely trying to get at the facts regarding the Benghazi debacle. When he realizes that one of his subordinates is tainting the process with overzealousness, he (being the honorable and sincere man that he is) fires the subordinate..
Employing Occam's Razor, which is the most likely of the possibilities??
Of course, to a political group that thinks the opposing political group are nothing but "terrorists", it's understandable that one would take the most partisan explanation... :D
Michale
Let me put it this way, people..
The Benghazi Hearings are as much of a Partisan Witch Hunt as the Abu Ghraib Hearings, the Iraq War Hearings, the Domestic Surveillance Hearings and the 9/11 Hearings...
ALL Democrat Party witch hunts...
So, all the partisan whining about "politicizing" the Benghazi tragedy is just that. Partisan whining..
And which Party BLATANTLY ADMITS that it politicizes tragedies???
Why, that would be the Democrat Party..
So, please.. Save the righteous indignation for someone who would actually believe it.. :D
Michale
One of the beauties of this campaign season is the degree to which the "crazy" is coming out of the closet on the Repub side, because it's forcing a lot of people to face up to the reality that the Repub party has long since lost its legitimacy.
So, let me get this straight...
Obama's FBI is controlled by the Republican Party???
Obama's DOJ is controlled by the Republican Party???
Now, if ya'all want CONSPIRACY Theories, THAT one takes the cake!!
The entire Obama Administration is controlled by the Republican Party!! :D
DOZENS of Democrats have come forward slamming Hillary for her poor judgement and her lies..
Hillary's number one advisor flat out STATED that Hillary used her private homebrew insecure bathroom closet email server to evade disclosure rules..
Obama's FBI is CRIMINALLY INVESTIGATING the use of the private homebrew insecure bathroom closet email server..
Hillary has lied time and time again regarding the email server..
ALL of these are incontrovertible and unequivocal FACTS..
And yet.. Ya'all think that there is absolutely nothing to this?? That it's all a manufactured scandal!!???
SERIOUSLY!!!????
"Did IQs just suddenly drop sharply while I was away??!!"
-Ripley, ALIENS
I mean, honestly.. If ya'all want to look at PARTISAN, it's ya'all's reaction to Hillary's private homebrew insecure bathroom closet email server that is completely and utterly partisan..
Am I wrong???
Michale
OK just so I understand where ya'all are coming from...
Republicans politicizing 4 Americans killed by some kooky video in a foreign country....
That's bad...
Democrats politicizing 9 American christians being executed on American soil...
That's good...
Yea... THAT makes sense... :^/
Sometimes I wonder if ya'all could actually HEAR what ya sound like... :D
Michale
John From Censornati -
Nice "Dirty Laundry" reference...
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/donhenley/dirtylaundry.html
"We got the bubble-headed bleached-blonde comes on at five / She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye..."
-CW
Investigation into Hillary's email server focuses on Espionage Act and could get her 10 years in jail as FBI agent says she could be prosecuted just for failing to tell Obama
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3275919/Investigation-Hillary-s-email-server-focuses-Espionage-Act-10-years-jail-FBI-agent-says-prosecuted-just-failing-tell-Obama.html
Damn that "vast right wing conspiracy"!!!
They control Obama's FBI!!!!
Michale
"We got the bubble-headed bleached-blonde comes on at five / She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye..."
I was stationed at Vandenberg AFB during the MX Missile Protests.. All those off-shift where at the CP watching the news... During a segment on the protests, our EllTee quipped up..
"We got the bubble-headed bleached blonde comes on at five."
Totally cracked up the entire room! :D
Michale
"Nice "Dirty Laundry" reference..."
I'm in a Don Henley state of mind lately thanks to his new album (I like it a lot).
Some people pray for victory
Some people pray for peace
Some people pray for extra time
Some pray for sweet release
Some pray for health and happiness
For riches and renown
But none of this will matter much if the waters don't come down
I'm praying for rain
"The guy running the committee is an honorable man who is sincerely trying to get at the facts regarding the Benghazi debacle."
He can't be very smart if it is taking him longer than Watergate and the answer has repeatedly been 'Nothing wrong happened' from his own party's research.
Marvelous entertainment from the 'R's and their acolytes (that would be you, M). Thanks!
He can't be very smart if it is taking him longer than Watergate and the answer has repeatedly been 'Nothing wrong happened' from his own party's research.
That's because Obama, Clinton et al are performing such stonewalling as to make Nixon blush with envy...
Nothing wrong happened??
So, our Ambassador didn't die!!???
So, basically what you are saying is that Democrats are as pure as the driven snow and it's ALL the fault of the evil terrorist Republicans??
Yea.. And *I* am the acolyte... :^/
Michale
neilmcgovern,
And compare that to the Democrat witch hunts of Abu Ghraib where REALLY nothing happened...
Or the Democrat witch hunts in the aftermath of 9/11 where the Democrat Party sided with Al Qaeda against the United States and the Bush Administration..
And, of course, there is the Democrat Party's statement explicitily STATING that they will politicize tragedies where 9 American christians were executed..
Funny how you forget all that, eh?? :^/
Michale
'Nothing wrong happened'
Then why is Clinton facing 10 years in prison, based on comments from OBAMA's FBI??
Nothing wrong happened my left arse cheek!!
Michale
As usual Michale beautifully illustrates my point -- he just can't believe Clinton isn't guilty of anything. She just MUST be guilty of SOMETHING!. This, btw: http://www.vox.com/2015/10/16/9553577/benghazi-committee-clinton-shut-down
7 previous Congressional Investigations have exhaustively addressed the events already, and:
Michale will just chime back in re-asserting his assertions and then accuse Dems of hiding something or whatever and will be shocked -- SHOCKED -- that more and more people just ain't buying it anymore.
I mean, honestly...
Say what you want about the Benghazi hearings..
But in the history of ALL political witch hunts, NOTHING is more blatantly partisan over absolutely NOTHING untoward than the Democrat Party witch hunt over Abu Ghraib..
I mean, that was the HEIGHT of idiocy that bordered on treasonous..
We're in the middle of a war and the Democrat Party was worried about a bunch of scumbag terrorists and murderers who were treated in a manner that BARELY rose to the level of college hazing..
Hell, AMERICAN recruits get worse treatment going thru frakin' BMTS!!!
So, yea.. Whine and cry and stomp your feet about how the GOP is being so mean to Democrats...
Waaaa Waaaa Cry me a river...
Michale
Paula,
You always take the cheap shot, but then run when asked one simple question...
If there is nothing there, WHY is Obama's FBI pursuing this??
Michale will just chime back in re-asserting his assertions and then accuse Dems of hiding something or whatever and will be shocked -- SHOCKED -- that more and more people just ain't buying it anymore.
Apparently, OBAMA'S FBI is "buying it"...
Why do you think that is??
I get it.. You want to stick your head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong..
But here's the kicker and there is just NO denying it..
If it had been a GOP'er who had done what Clinton had done, YOU would be making the EXACT same arguments that I am making...
"These are the facts. And they are undisputed..."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
Michale
And ANOTHER Clinton lie....
Every since this scandal kicked off, Hillary has claimed over and over ad nasuem that her private insecure bathroom closet mail server was "authorized"...
NOW she admits that no one signed off on it..
How many BLATANT lies is Hillary going to have to spew before ya'all concede that she is utterly and completely incompetent and not suited to be POTUS...
Michale
Hillary Clinton is going to jail...
The only question is when and for how long...
Michale
Michale: by trying to move the topic from Benghazi to Abu Ghraib and the Email server you have tacitly admitted the Benghazi! portion of the witch hunt is a non-starter, which it is. Abu Ghraib and the Email question are different topics.
Re: the email server -- a google search brings up a whole lot of hot air in the form of every rightwing website/news-site making accusations, as they always, constantly do. Meanwhile, this article goes through the "email-myths" one by one and debunks them: http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913
Although, who cares, right? Unless and until a final report is issued speculation can continue and assertions (Clinton is going to jail!) can be asserted.
I'm not really interested in following these pseudo-scandals and will not bother to respond to any "my source is better than your source" arguments, or any other. I will await the final FBI report. Until then the constant flow of accusations and debunkings is just-a-bore -- productive of eyeball-rolling, heavy-sighing dismissal.
You guys have gone to the well about 100 too-many times now on HRC. You've so lost credibility that you're all now actually hurting yourselves -- instead of accusations hurting her with supporters and undecideds they now have begun to help her: she's still standing and still fighting, no matter what crap you throw at her. And good for her say I. She has long since outclassed Repub adversaries. As the Rude Pundit says: (http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-won-because-of-lack-of.html) "See, after nearly three decades in the public spotlight, a good chunk of that spent in the cross-hairs of every scandal gun Republicans could load, nothing you can throw at Hillary Clinton is gonna dent her. She ran out of fucks sometime in 2008, and now, with no fucks to give, Clinton has become a loose, agile candidate who gives as good as she gets...The best thing about Sanders being in the race is that it has made Clinton have to do exactly what the Rude Pundit wanted from her: she is bringing progressives into the conversation. She is going back to the Hillary Clinton who didn't have to hide her liberal side for fear of offending right-wingers. She won because she has finally evolved into the perfect political animal, fearless, polished, prepared, relaxed, self-possessed. You might not like someone so obviously ready for the electoral games. But it's got its advantages."
He ends by saying he is not endorsing her -- it's too soon. I agree with him. I haven't made my decision yet. But whether I pick her or Bernie I can tell you I will still like her; and admire her for surviving and thriving in spite of you all.
Michale: by trying to move the topic from Benghazi to Abu Ghraib and the Email server you have tacitly admitted the Benghazi! portion of the witch hunt is a non-starter, which it is. Abu Ghraib and the Email question are different topics.
Re: the email server -- a google search brings up a whole lot of hot air in the form of every rightwing website/news-site making accusations, as they always, constantly do. Meanwhile, this article goes through the "email-myths" one by one and debunks them: http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913
Although, who cares, right? Unless and until a final report is issued speculation can continue and assertions (Clinton is going to jail!) can be asserted.
I'm not really interested in following these pseudo-scandals and will not bother to respond to any "my source is better than your source" arguments, or any other. I will await the final FBI report. Until then the constant flow of accusations and debunkings is just-a-bore -- productive of eyeball-rolling, heavy-sighing dismissal. More follows.
You guys have gone to the well about 100 too-many times now on HRC. You've so lost credibility that you're all now actually hurting yourselves -- instead of accusations hurting her with supporters and undecideds they now have begun to help her: she's still standing and still fighting, no matter what crap you throw at her. And good for her say I. She has long since outclassed Repub adversaries. As the Rude Pundit says: (http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-won-because-of-lack-of.html) "See, after nearly three decades in the public spotlight, a good chunk of that spent in the cross-hairs of every scandal gun Republicans could load, nothing you can throw at Hillary Clinton is gonna dent her. She ran out of fucks sometime in 2008, and now, with no fucks to give, Clinton has become a loose, agile candidate who gives as good as she gets...The best thing about Sanders being in the race is that it has made Clinton have to do exactly what the Rude Pundit wanted from her: she is bringing progressives into the conversation. She is going back to the Hillary Clinton who didn't have to hide her liberal side for fear of offending right-wingers. She won because she has finally evolved into the perfect political animal, fearless, polished, prepared, relaxed, self-possessed. You might not like someone so obviously ready for the electoral games. But it's got its advantages."
He ends by saying he is not endorsing her -- it's too soon. I agree with him. I haven't made my decision yet. But whether I pick her or Bernie I can tell you I will still like her; and admire her for surviving and thriving in spite of you all.
"What are we getting from Republicans? Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings. Lots and lots of hearings on Benghazi."
From Goplifer's blog (the right wing Chris Weigant, Chris Ladd). Goplifer may not be on your reading list, but after reading this link you may realize that not all 'R' are as half-witted as our village idiot (the aforementioned acolyte).
http://goplifer.com/2014/11/06/a-reality-check-on-the-2014-results/
Michale: by trying to move the topic from Benghazi to Abu Ghraib and the Email server you have tacitly admitted the Benghazi! portion of the witch hunt is a non-starter, which it is.
Call me silly, but an incident where our Ambassador is brutally murdered is NOT a "non starter"...
And the cover-up that Clinton participated in after the fact??
Pathetic...
Email question are different topics.
So???
Does that make it right or OK that Clinton put our country at risk to evade disclosure??
Re: the email server -- a google search brings up a whole lot of hot air in the form of every rightwing website/news-site making accusations, as they always, constantly do. Meanwhile, this article goes through the "email-myths" one by one and debunks them:
You quote MEDIA MATTERS for your "debunking"??? :D
Com'on!!
Irregardless of all that you say, you ignore ONE salient point..
It's OBAMA'S FBI that is CRIMINALLY investigating this...
You ignore that point because you have NO LOGICAL RESPONSE to it...
Michale
From Goplifer's blog (the right wing Chris Weigant, Chris Ladd). Goplifer may not be on your reading list, but after reading this link you may realize that not all 'R' are as half-witted as our village idiot (the aforementioned acolyte).
Thank you for your concession that you have no logical or rational response and must therefore resort to immature name calling and childish personal attacks.
Your concession of the superiority of my argument is appreciated, albeit irrelvant.
:D
Michale
Michale [9] -
It's one of my favorite ex-Eagles solo songs (the other being "Smuggler's Blues" I think). I had to check so I didn't goof it up, but I couldn't use the comedy line (not sure where I heard this from, Bloom County maybe? Robin Williams?): "Do you want Glen Fry with that?" but it was actually Don Henley so it didn't fit. Still, a great song, best indictment of the news other than the punk/new wave song "5.45" by Gang of Four:
http://www.metrolyrics.com/545-lyrics-gang-of-four.html
"at a quarter to six / I watch the news..."
neilmcgovern [11] -
Did you notice the story about the Planned Parenthood hearings? The committee chair was forced to admit "well, we found no wrongdoing whatsoever" just recently. Seems to be a trend...
Michale [13] -
Dude, you need a beer. Calm down, pop a cold one, and relax. Things are not as bad as Fox News would have you believe... seriously...
Heh.
Paula [15] -
Hey, people who believe that a 60th or 70th vote in the House to defund Obamacare will work will believe anything, right?
Heh.
"If the 8th investigation into Benghazi doesn't find a scandal, then we'll just open a ninth! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
Sigh.
Michale [16] -
HOW many millions of taxpayer dollars did Ken Starr spend, to convict the Democratic president of blow jobs? Refresh my memory...
Michale [17] -
Due to your LEO experience, I can see how you'd think "we're investigating" equates to "a guilty verdict," but it really doesn't, until a court decides.
Having said that, you have a shred of credibility that I'm going to generously award you. The Obama administration has gone after leakers and classified info breaches more than ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION IN THE LAST CENTURY, and that may work against them in the Clinton situation. But your main argument here (yes, I am helping you out) is actually "Petraeus was convicted for a similar offense." I don't believe that argument -- Clinton didn't share classified info with a person writing her biography whom she was sleeping with -- but it's still your strongest argument in this regard.
You're welcome.
[18] -
But at the same time, I caution you. Remember the whole "skewed polls" thing about Romney? Keep things in perspective -- just because the right wing has declared Hillary unelectable doesn't mean the actual voters agree. Watch the polls. Keep some perspective. It's a marathon, not a sprint -- we've got a long way to go.
Paula [20] -
Bravo! Or maybe that should be "Brava!" my Italian's not that great...
My belief is that the GOP shot their arrows too soon. By the time of the election, all "Hillary's emails" will provoke among voters is a roll of the eyes. Timing is everything in politics, and by the time of next year's election, I think this will be firmly in the category of "old news."
As for [21] and [22], I think they got caught in the auto-filter, sorry.
neilmcgovern [23] -
I will check that out. I can't resist, really, when you frame it as "the right wing Chris Weigant"...
:-)
-CW
Paula,
What are we getting from Republicans? Climate denial, theocracy, thinly veiled racism, paranoia, and Benghazi hearings. Lots and lots of hearings on Benghazi.
What did we get from Democrats??
Collaboration with Al Qaeda, Incompetence, lies, more incompetence, TrainWreckCare, still MORE incompetence, NO JOBS and more incompetence...
Did I mention the complete incompetence of Democrat rule??
Michale
Did you notice the story about the Planned Parenthood hearings? The committee chair was forced to admit "well, we found no wrongdoing whatsoever" just recently.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs when we have video of babies being ripped apart and the ONLY thing coming from Democrats is that there is no proof of wrongdoing..
Something is SERIOUSLY out of whack...
Dude, you need a beer. Calm down, pop a cold one, and relax. Things are not as bad as Fox News would have you believe... seriously...
Nor is it as bad as Media Matters or HuffPoop would have us believe either. :D
HOW many millions of taxpayer dollars did Ken Starr spend, to convict the Democratic president of blow jobs? Refresh my memory...
I'll be happy to refresh your memory..
It wasn't a blow job that Clinton was convicted of.. It was perjury...
Now, APPARENTLY, perjury is a BIG deal.. When it's committed by a person with a '-R' after his name.
Scooter Libby proved that beyond any doubt... :^/
Due to your LEO experience, I can see how you'd think "we're investigating" equates to "a guilty verdict," but it really doesn't, until a court decides.
Innocent until proven guilty??
Why does that only apply to Lefties?? :D
aving said that, you have a shred of credibility that I'm going to generously award you. The Obama administration has gone after leakers and classified info breaches more than ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION IN THE LAST CENTURY, and that may work against them in the Clinton situation. But your main argument here (yes, I am helping you out) is actually "Petraeus was convicted for a similar offense." I don't believe that argument -- Clinton didn't share classified info with a person writing her biography whom she was sleeping with -- but it's still your strongest argument in this regard.
In the eyes of the law, it doesn't MATTER whether Clinton shared it or not.. The fact that she ALLOWED it to be accessed by unauthorized persons is sufficient to compare Clinton's actions with Petraeus...
'Preciate the acknowledgement of my argument. :D Sincerely..
My belief is that the GOP shot their arrows too soon. By the time of the election, all "Hillary's emails" will provoke among voters is a roll of the eyes. Timing is everything in politics, and by the time of next year's election, I think this will be firmly in the category of "old news."
This presupposes that Clinton's emails won't reveal a whole SLEW of wrong-doing...
Look at it this way.. Common belief around here was that Benghazi was just a 2012 Election issue and would go away after the election..
Ya'all were wrong...
Common belief around here was that Clinton's email was nothing but the "vast right wing conspiracy".. Now the FBI is CRIMINALLY investigating the issue..
Ya'all were wrong...
Given the Hillary Clinton we all know, it's more than likely that there is further wrong-doing that the emails release will show..
So, while you say that the GOP shot their wad too soon, I submit that the BIG "wad" is still pending....
I have been remarkably accurate with my Hillary predictions, so.... :D
Michale
What are we getting from Republicans? Climate denial,
Otherwise known as SCIENCE... Something ya'all claim to adhere to.. But, apparently, only when it suits ya'all's agenda..
theocracy,
I am in complete agreement on that one...
thinly veiled racism,
Prove it.. You can't... 'nuff said...
paranoia,
Prove it.. You can't... 'nuff said...
and Benghazi hearings. Lots and lots of hearings on Benghazi.
Just like there were lots and lots of hearings on Abu Ghraib and 9/11 and Iraq War II...
GOP hold hearings ad nasuem when there is a DIM POTUS and Dims hold hearings ad nasuem when there is a GOP POTUS..
What's your point???
"She has no point. She often has no point, sir. That's part of her charm."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN
There's one I haven't used!!! Biga would have been so proud of me!!! Heh :D
Michale
What are we getting from Republicans? Climate denial,
And, just for the record **NO ONE** denies that there is climate...
There has been climate on this planet when human kind was nothing but a gleam of an idea of a pimple on the ass of time..
There will be climate on this planet once human kind goes the way of the dodo...
Again... What's your point??
Michale
@Michale[30]: "What are we getting from Republicans? Climate denial,"
This is a quote from a blogger called GOPLifer - he also writes for the Houston Chronicle (you can see the rest of the post on the Chron's website as well as on GOPLifer's own blog: http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/).
Another quote from the same blog which was written just after the 2014 election and was a call to his party to be careful about hubris:
"If you thought Benghazi was a legitimate scandal that reveals Obama’s real plans for America then you’re an idiot, but these next two years will be a (briefly) happy period for you."
As an 'R' you might want to read his excellent book "The Politics of Crazy": http://goplifer.com/book-the-politics-of-crazy/
Thus you should be directing your 'questions' at Chris Ladd, a Republican precinct committeeman, also known as "GOP" "Lifer" (just spelling it out for you).
And, just for the record **NO ONE** denies that there is climate...
There has been climate on this planet when human kind was nothing but a gleam of an idea of a pimple on the ass of time..
There will be climate on this planet once human kind goes the way of the dodo...
I can even go as far as to say that *NO ONE* denies that the climate is changing..
Once again, the climate on this planet was changing when human kind was nothing but a gleam of an idea of a pimple on the ass of time..
The climate on this planet will CONTINUE to change once human kind goes the way of the dodo...
The idea that humans can control or change the climate of the planet is as arrogant and ludicrous as claiming that humans can control or change the orbit of the planet..
Michale
The idea that humans can control or change the climate of the planet is as arrogant and ludicrous as claiming that humans can control or change the orbit of the planet..
The further idea that human kind can actually change the climate of the entire planet in the merest micro percentage of the entire existence of the planet??
Well, let's map it out..
The planet has been in existence for 141 Quadrillion 912 Trillion seconds...
Human kind has been an industrial race for little over 3 Billion seconds...
If anyone wants to take a shot in converting that to a percentage, have at it... But it's a mere blink of an eye in comparison..
And ya'all want people to believe in that microsecond of a blink of an eye, human kind has ALTERED the climate of the entire planet??
Seriously!!!????
Michale
Gov. Brown's link between climate change and wildfires is unsupported, fire experts say
http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-ca-brown-wildfires-20151019-story.html
More evidence that Human Caused Global Warming (Yet There Ain't No Warming) is a POLITICAL issue, not a SCIENCE issue..
Once again, politics say one thing, but science (REAL science) says that politics is wrong...
And so it goes and so it goes...
Considering that REAL science suggests we're entering a mini ice age phase of the planet, this Global Warming con is really on it's last legs...
I mean, not even the Hysterical Left Wingery is stoopid enough to continue to scream GLOBAL WARMING!! GLOBAL WARMING!! when the planet is in the throes of a mini ice age..
Are they???
Michale
Michale,
Considering that REAL science suggests we're entering a mini ice age phase of the planet, this Global Warming con is really on it's last legs...
So how do you explain the acidification of the oceans, rising sea levels and vanishing glaciers?
So how do you explain the acidification of the oceans, rising sea levels and vanishing glaciers?
Have the glaciers ever shrunk before??
Yes they have..
Was human kind the cause back then??
No it was not..
If science (REAL science) has proven anything beyond a reasonable doubt it's that climate on this planet is cyclical. It was cyclical long LONG before humans were industrialized and it will be cyclical long LONG after humans are nothing but dust..
Answer me ONE question...
Is there ANY legitimate science that disputes the Human Caused Global Warming theory??
If you are an adherent to REAL science, the answer is clear...
If you are an adherent to a political agenda... Well, that's a clear answer as well.. :D
Michale
So how do you explain the acidification of the oceans, rising sea levels and vanishing glaciers?
How do YOU explain that EVERY single prediction from the Global Warming crowd has been wrong??
How do YOU explain that EVERY single model from the Global Warming crowd has failed..
"Failed.. Failed.. IMPRESSIVELY failed.."
-Doctor, Armageddon
Can you explain this utter perfect track record of being wrong??
Well, yes... You can...
They have always been WRONG because it's a POLITICAL issue, not a scientific issue..
Michale
Michale,
I'm afraid that you are going to find yourself further and further behind the curve on this if you persist in your climate change denial and refuse to participate in a serious discussion about what can and should be done to mitigate its devastating impacts.
For example, in your cyclical climate change paradigm, when did Pacific islands last disappear?
How many Pacific islanders are now in jeopardy of losing their islands to the sea today?
I'm afraid that you are going to find yourself further and further behind the curve on this if you persist in your climate change denial and refuse to participate in a serious discussion about what can and should be done to mitigate its devastating impacts.
That's just it..
I am NOT denying that the climate is changing..
I am fully and utterly and completely on board that the climate is changing...
For example, in your cyclical climate change paradigm, when did Pacific islands last disappear?
How many Pacific islanders are now in jeopardy of losing their islands to the sea today?
You tell me..
And have the FACTS, not the HYSTERIA, to back it up..
And, while you are at it, answer the questions in #36..
When has a Global Warming prediction EVER come true???
When has a Global Warming model EVER been accurate???
The answer to BOTH questions is **NEVER**...
And yet, YOU still believe the scientists that push these failures...
Why??
Because it suits a political agenda...
That is ALL the Global Warming issue is..
A political agenda with NOTHING but hysterical fear-mongering to back it up..
The Arctic was supposed to be ICE FREE by now..
Is it??
No...
The Himalayan Glaciers were supposed to be GONE by now..
Are they??
NO...
How many times must the hysterical (so-called) scientists and politicians be WRONG, WRONG, UTTERLY WRONG before ya'all start coming to grips with reality??
But in answer to your question, Pacific islanders have been in "jeopardy" of losing their islands to the sea for a couple decades now..
And guess what?? They are STILL THERE!!!
Imagine that...
Oh, yea, but wait til NEXT year!!!
THAT is my point.. It's ALWAYS "next year" or "in a few years" or "in a decade".... And when that time is up???
NOTHING has happened...
EVERY TIME...
Now, call me silly... I tend to laugh at the group that cries wolf over and over and over and over and over again...
Michale
I am NOT denying that the climate is changing..I am fully and utterly and completely on board that the climate is changing...
So, what's your problem then? You don't think human activity and the burning of fossil fuels has had a dramatic impact on the climate over the last 100+ years and that we don't have to do anything about that? Is that your line?
So, what's your problem then? You don't think human activity and the burning of fossil fuels has had a dramatic impact on the climate over the last 100+ years and that we don't have to do anything about that? Is that your line?
There is no conclusive or unequivocal evidence to PROVE that human activity is the cause of climate change..
Every prediction, every model ever made by the Global Warming fanatics has been WRONG...
EVERY ONE..
A point you continue to ignore because it TOTALLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY decimates your position...
The climate was changing LONG before humans were even on the planet.. The climate was changing LONG before humans became industrialized..
So, your claim is that, NOW humans are the cause??
That's ridiculous...
What caused the climate to change before humans??
Michale
Think about it this way, Liz...
Is there ANYTHING else that you can think of that MIGHT have an effect on the planet's climate..
Anything at all??
I'll give you a hint.. It's bigger than a bread box and rises in the east and sets in the west...
And, if you were to take every human being on the planet and put them on it, that entire human kind mass would be
the merest SPECK of a speck on a pimple....
Now, isn't it possible that THAT thing might influence the climate of the planet a lot more than paltry and insignificant human kind??
Isn't that possible??
Michale
When has a Global Warming prediction EVER come true???
Temperatures have risen and ocean level has risen. These were predicted.
When has a Global Warming model EVER been accurate???
Also:
EVERY ONE..
This bullshit again? I gave you one and you acknowledged it. At some point you are just blatantly lying.
The Arctic was supposed to be ICE FREE by now..
And just who predicted this? Put up or shut up.
The Himalayan Glaciers were supposed to be GONE by now..
And just who predicted this? Put up or shut up.
Why??
Because it suits a political agenda...
That is ALL the Global Warming issue is..
A political agenda with NOTHING but hysterical fear-mongering to back it up..
Ah, no. We read these things called scientific papers and, the present company excluded, generally understand them.
But in answer to your question, Pacific islanders have been in "jeopardy" of losing their islands to the sea for a couple decades now..
And just who predicted this? Put up or shut up.
NOTHING has happened...
But it has. That you refuse to believe the science of an organization like NOAA or NASA even though they are confirmed by similar organizations in other first world countries is purely political.
Now, call me silly... I tend to laugh at the group that cries wolf over and over and over and over and over again...
And yet you jump on to every Clinton/Obama scandal. Pot meet kettle...
The climate was changing LONG before humans were even on the planet.. The climate was changing LONG before humans became industrialized..
And guess what? That is a major line of study in climate science. Go down to your local university library and read some of the studies. It's not the change, it's the rate of change.
What caused the climate to change before humans??
What time frame? Lots of lots of factors but it depends of the time period we are talking about to which one specifically.
And, if you were to take every human being on the planet and put them on it, that entire human kind mass would be
the merest SPECK of a speck on a pimple....
And guess what we study that as well.
It's not what single thing effects the climate. It's how much each thing effects the climate and how they have changed over time...
Temperatures have risen and ocean level has risen. These were predicted.
Yea.. And if I say, "It will rain sometime" I can point to the fact that I was right when it DOES rain..
Gimme a break...
Yea, the same old tired arguments..
People like you were screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!!!" because of Global COOLING 40 years ago...
It's pure unadulterated fear mongering to further a political agenda...
When you can address the science that disputes the Human Caused Global Warming (Yet The Planet Is Cooling) theory, THEN you'll have a viable argument..
Until that time, ALL you are doing is pushing a partisan political agenda...
Michale
Temperatures have risen and ocean level has risen. These were predicted.
And what a shock.. Temperatures have fallen...
That's why it's called "cyclical"..
"Doooyyyyyy"
-Vanillope Von Schweet, WRECK IT RALPH
It's not the change, it's the rate of change.
Ahhhhhh
So, NOW it's not "Climate Change" but rather "Climate RATE Change" that is the problem..
So, let's see..
Ya'all had Global Warming..
THAT proved to be total bunk, so ya'all went to Climate Change...
THAT didn't have any traction, so ya'all tried Climate Disruption..
And THAT is not working for the Hysterical, so NOW it's Climate RATE Change????
SERIOUSLY!???
Note to the Hysterical...
If you have to market your so-called "science" and come up with catchy slogans to sell your "science", it's not really science...
:^/
Michale
and ocean level has risen.
Sea levels rose during the last Little Ice Age...
Industrialized humans were not around to cause that...
How can this be!??
Michale
Sea levels rising??
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
Not according to THE acknowledged foremost expert on sea level change...
You see, therein lies EXACTLY the Left Wingery's problem with this subject..
All they have is fear-mongering...
REAL science, not the political agenda science the Left Wingery has, shows that what is happening is just the normal cyclical life of Planet Earth...
Michale
Wow, that is a long winded boiler plate way of saying you can't back your shit up. Color me unsurprised...
By the way, Nils-Axel Mörner has been proven wrong both in his methodology and actual measurements. The mean rise is about 2.6mm to 2.9mm per year...
Wow, that is a long winded boiler plate way of saying you can't back your shit up. Color me unsurprised...
No, it's my way of saying that it has been backed up ad nasuem but facts do little to change your way of thinking, so why bother??
By the way, Nils-Axel Mörner has been proven wrong both in his methodology and actual measurements. The mean rise is about 2.6mm to 2.9mm per year...
Ahhhh...
So, when a skeptic is "proven wrong" once or twice, it's sacrosanct..
But when a purveyor of the Global Warming religion is proven wrong time after time after time after time after time...
That's irrelevant..
Gotcha {wink wink} :D
Michale
No, it's my way of saying that it has been backed up ad nasuem but facts do little to change your way of thinking, so why bother??
Bullshit. You have on occasion cut and pasted from a denier site a bunch of articles (in the exact order as found on said denier site) that snippets have been taken out of context from the rest of the article.
So, when a skeptic is "proven wrong" once or twice, it's sacrosanct..
Or every time as the case may be...
But when a purveyor of the Global Warming religion is proven wrong time after time after time after time after time...
And just who is this "purveyor"? that is what I am trying to get you to back up. You paint the left with a very wide brush of hysteria over some sort of doomsday scenario conspiracy between climate scientists but can not even back up the source of the conspiracy...
And just who is this "purveyor"?
The entirety of the Global Warming Hysteria Religion...
Do I REALLY have to quote all the failed predictions???
Michale
Here is one easy example..
Al Gore said that the arctic would be "Ice Free" by 2010...
Did ANY of the Left Wingery Hysterical "scientists" say that this was not true??
NOT A SINGLE ONE...
Michale
Do I REALLY have to quote all the failed predictions???
No, you have to back them up. WHO and WHERE were these predictions made. News story? Scientific paper? Movie? What?
How many times do I have to ask the same question before you quit the dodge?
Al Gore said that the arctic would be "Ice Free" by 2010...
Did he say it WOULD or COULD be ice free by then? Lets see where you got the prediction?
How many times do I have to ask the same question before you quit the dodge?
It's not a dodge..
I am simply tired of posting the same old facts hoping that THIS time it will actually make any kind of difference..
But, hay... What the hell..
FAILED GLOBAL WARMING PREDICTIONS
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&q=%22FAILED+GLOBAL+WARMING+PREDICTIONS%22
Have a ball.....
Like I said... Not that it will change your position..
Convincing the Left Wingery that there is no Human Caused Global Warming is NO DIFFERENT than convincing religious fanatics that there is no god..
It's simply not in the realm of possibility..
The fanaticism runs too deep...
Michale
Did he say it WOULD or COULD be ice free by then? Lets see where you got the prediction?
Oh wow...
Are we REALLY going to go there??
Fine..
If you want to concede that EACH and EVERY prediction of the Human Caused Global Warming religion is ONLY a possibility??
Then we can end the debate right now..
After all..
Jesus *COULD* come back from the dead and bring enlightenment and paradise to the world... :^/
Michale
Oh wow...
Are we REALLY going to go there??
Fine..
If you want to concede that EACH and EVERY prediction of the Human Caused Global Warming religion is ONLY a possibility??
Then we can end the debate right now..
Actually I think it is just basic English comprehension and your inability to back up your statements. Not that I suspected otherwise...
Have a ball.....
Ah, the half ass defense. Why don't you pick one out, dig up the actual paper behind it and lets see what it really says. You know, back up your posts...
Actually I think it is just basic English comprehension and your inability to back up your statements. Not that I suspected otherwise...
Are you conceding that everything the Global Warming fanatics predict "COULD" happen??
Yes or no??
Ah, the half ass defense. Why don't you pick one out, dig up the actual paper behind it and lets see what it really says. You know, back up your posts...
I just gave you 584 back ups of my posts.
The fact that you can't address even ONE of them proves you have no factual leg to stand on..
Of course, you can avoid having to do that by conceding that the Human Caused Global Warming fanatics are merely stating "POSSIBILITIES"....
Yer call.. :D
But I have backed up EVERYTHING I have said.. :D
Michale
I mean, seriously, Bashi..
You might as well ask me to "back up" the fact that the sun sets in the west and rises in the east...
It's such a commonly known FACT that no back up or substantiation is required..
Just like Human Caused Global Warming religious fanatic predictions that have NEVER come to pass...
It's common knowledge and no back up or substantiation is required... :D
Michale
Are you conceding that everything the Global Warming fanatics predict "COULD" happen??
Yes or no??
I'm asking you to produce where Al Gore predicted arctic ice would disappear by 2010. I would think that would be simple. I guess not.
I just gave you 584 back ups of my posts.
No, you gave me a google search. Tells me you have no idea what you are talking about, have not read any of this stuff and just copy and paste to further your political agenda.
The fact that you can't address even ONE of them proves you have no factual leg to stand on..
I'm waiting for you to post ONE of them. If you can't even be bothered to back up a single one of your points, why should I bother?
Just like Human Caused Global Warming religious fanatic predictions that have NEVER come to pass...
And yet you can't come up with the source of a SINGLE prediction. Not one.
I'm asking you to produce where Al Gore predicted arctic ice would disappear by 2010. I would think that would be simple. I guess not.
It's so simple I have done it dozens of times before. Yet you STILL refuse to concede...
So, why should I bother any more??
I'm waiting for you to post ONE of them. If you can't even be bothered to back up a single one of your points, why should I bother?
I DID back up ALL my points. With links. A common practice around here...
You don't LIKE it now because it totally decimates your argument..
And yet you can't come up with the source of a SINGLE prediction. Not one.
You're right. Not one..
I came up with 584 of them.. :D
Michale
It's so simple I have done it dozens of times before. Yet you STILL refuse to concede...
So, why should I bother any more??
Bullshit.
I DID back up ALL my points. With links. A common practice around here...
You don't LIKE it now because it totally decimates your argument..
Then point to one. Is it really that hard?
You're right. Not one..
I came up with 584 of them.. :D
Yawn.
Then point to one. Is it really that hard?
I gave you 584 of them..
If YOU can't find one, then that's on you... Not me.. :D
Michale
I gave you 584 of them..
If YOU can't find one, then that's on you... Not me.. :D
I will take your google search as concession that you can't back up your accusations...
I will take your google search as concession that you can't back up your accusations...
You can take it any way you want it. That's on you..
But it's clear that I have backed up my assertions...
Michale
But it's clear that I have backed up my assertions...
As clear as muddy water. I followed that link and it was just a google search. Not a single one of your accusations were backed up on that page.
As clear as muddy water. I followed that link and it was just a google search. Not a single one of your accusations were backed up on that page.
Again, that's your claim...
It's not the facts.. It's not reality..
Michale
Mexican plea for climate consensus as hurricane nears
http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-plea-climate-consensus-hurricane-nears-172328643.html
You see, Bashi, this is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
Science has CONCLUSIVELY proven beyond ANY doubt that there is no causal link between Global Warming and hurricanes..
This is documented peer-reviewed proven beyond ANY doubt fact..
And yet, Global Warming fanatics STILL try to link the two in a bid to extort control...
THIS is exactly why it's impossible to take the GW fanatics seriously, whether they be Gods Will fanatics or Global Warming fanatics..
I have said it many times before and it certainly applies here...
Any position taken in emotion is usually the WRONG position to take...
And the ENTIRE argument of the Global Warming fanatics is an emotional argument. A fear-mongering COMPLETELY unfounded emotional argument..
Michale
Mexican plea for climate consensus as hurricane nears
You see, Bashi, this is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
Science has CONCLUSIVELY proven beyond ANY doubt that there is no causal link between Global Warming and hurricanes..
This is documented peer-reviewed proven beyond ANY doubt fact..
And yet, Global Warming fanatics STILL try to link the two in a bid to extort control...
THIS is exactly why it's impossible to take the GW fanatics seriously, whether they be Gods Will fanatics or Global Warming fanatics..
I have said it many times before and it certainly applies here...
Any position taken in emotion is usually the WRONG position to take...
And the ENTIRE argument of the Global Warming fanatics is an emotional argument. A fear-mongering COMPLETELY unfounded emotional argument..
Michale
You see, Bashi, this is EXACTLY what I am talking about.
And what is that? Posting click bait headlines without bothering to read the article? Because what you posted has absolutely nothing to do with the points you are trying to make. Hilariously so...
Any position taken in emotion is usually the WRONG position to take...
Your entire post as a case in point? Hard to take you seriously when you can't even provide any examples of this "emotional argument"...
Why don't you start with posting what Gore actually said about arctic ice. I would think that would be easy enough.