Open Debate Thread
[ Posted Sunday, October 9th, 2016 – 15:27 UTC ]
I don't think I've ever done this before, but I'm creating this article just as a placeholder -- an "open thread."
This will allow everyone to comment about the debate tonight, without having to scroll through the already-long comment thread on Friday's article.
So sit back, pop the popcorn, and have fun watching the debate tonight, and if you feel inclined to offer up your thoughts, this is the place to do so. Enjoy!
-- Chris Weigant
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
I think I might watch Holes again.
[1] altohone
It IS a pretty good movie!
Yup. Or Alien. Every couple of years I take a weekend and binge watch LOTR and/or Alien 1-4
Well, you know, the Blue Jays will be wrapping up their ALDS tonight in style by blanking the hypersensitive Texas Rangers in three games straight.
The post-game promises to be a lot more fun than Trump v Clinton ...
Now I can reveal it...
I am Hillary Clinton's Body Double!
Good commentary on Democracy Now.
http://www.democracynow.org/live/coming_up_expanding_the_october_9th
Trump appears in pre debate photo op with:
Kathleen Willey
Juanita Broaddrick
Kathy Shelton
Paula Jones
They all support Trump. One of them says Trump only spoke "words" versus actions. How could this woman possibly know what Trump has done? I guess it's true that some women just don't mind being used by men. Steve Bannon of Breitbart is seen snickering in the background.
Okay, I just made the whole thing up! Trump isn't that stupid, right? Except I didn't make it up. Sad! :(
There showing all the tapes,,,
Should have been they're running all the tapes.
Good evening all.
Watching the debate on time delay. DN is giving Jill Stein time to answer the questions, so they will pause the tape...
Good evening TS.
Trump looks like he hasn't slept in a couple of days.
Clinton gets off to a strong start with a softball question.
Jill Stein, blah,blah,blah...
Trump starts well with a canned intro, than wanders. Sniffing again! Now we move into the fear mongering part.
Anderson Cooper hits hard. Trump drifts and sniffs. Not coming off the line well.
Anderson Cooper follows through! Moderation from the git game.
Somebody get this guy some sudafeds
Trump is really sniffing up a storm..
Hillary calls Trump unfit. An actual debate. This may be a
TV 1st!
Rub the bloody monkey in his face!
Trump says it's justbwords, sniff, drifts, gets moderated to a halt. Wecome to the big leagues Mr. Trump.
Gob sMacking good moderation.
Trump is running against Bill? Is this gonna fly?
cb
2
Yup.
Somehow it seems appropriate.
I think it's just the title though.
A
Clinton knows how to counterpunch. She is is ripping Trump to shreds.
Trump is losingntrail, wenhave enterd word salad mode at 23 min.
Extra special peoscecutor, Mein GropeNfuher!
Trump is a 5-year-old. Sniff, sniff, sniff.
Trump gets in a good hit, than loses the thread. Sucks at debate. Looking ks like the mean SOB his goveling fans crave!
audience laughs when T says he's a gentleman. It's funny because it's untrue.
Liz? Canada health care a disaster?
Anderson Cooper is a great moderator.
The angry internet troll on coke is bad at sentences.
He seems obsessed with lines.
Build the wall! Build the Wall!
Trump leans on chair, drums fingers, looks presiential? Not so much.
I don't knowmt the other moderator's name, but she is also terrific.
Trump goes completely word salad during the Islamic portion. He simply can't finish a thought..
Trump is looking a bit sleepy when he's off mic.
Russia..I know nothingggg..And plug for the hotel..
Ramblingnabout the post office. Is Trump in early dementia?
It's Hillary's fault I don't pay taxes. She should have unilaterally stopped me. Sniff, sniff.
Why don't these senators use their super powers?
Clinton has not held office for thirty years.
moderators are being mean to Trump..
I think the guy in the front row audience behind Clinton needs to pee. That's a nightmare.
"Mike Pence? Never heard of the guy. We don't talk."
Trump: "___________ is a disaster." Applies to EVERY topic of debate.
How stupid is our country?
Good job moderator whose name I need to look up. Answer the FN question.!
Trump!
Word salad. No information whatever!
Clinton actually describes a strategy. Responds to follow up.
I like the Kurds too.
Edit: "How stupid is our country"?
Martha Raddatz
Trump will wash your car and cure dandruff.
Show us your madgic wand Donny!
Cannot type on this GD dinky touch screen...argggh.
Let it be said the mos go sfter Clinton too.
I like Martha..Shut up, we're moving on...
Trump on Supreme Court: some random shit, blah blah blah...
This has been a much better moderated event. It's actually helped Trump do stay on message a bit.
Highly espected, beautiful judges? Did I hear that right.
A fly has just become a TV star. God bless hi-de!
There is no clean coal.. Learn the geological carbon cycle bone head.
Where are these steel mills that China is killing?
Trump's kids are monsters.
Both candidates played to their base, I doubt the meter will move much.
God, well that was inspiring. /sarc
Is that Tiffany? She exists!
Totally devoid of meaningful content. A lot of mud slinging and playing to the base. I don't believe this will move the polls at all. Too late for that, the electorate is set. This is a very steady election...
~Phil~
Hillary did okay, but she seemed to be playing it safe and steady - hit all her talking points but no really memorable zingers.
donald held it together pretty well, considering the circumstances. i think the fact that moderators refused to let him ramble indefinitely actually helped him. i think he did well enough to stop the bleeding, but not well enough to reverse course.
JL
Was at a debate party. Found the 90 minutes painful to watch. Hillary has to be the grown-up while this giant orange wanna-be dictator simply, literally, throws insults at her. Stupid, childish insults, but unrelenting. The Donald said virtually nothing substantive the entire time but he threw out "disgusting" and "a disaster" a lot.
But speaking of disgust, I'd have to say that word describes the reaction in the room. People holding their hands over their mouths in shock. People just staring at the TV in disbelief at this jackass stalking around threatening to jail her. Another word: appalled.
For you Trek fans, Hillary was like "the Empath" -- having to absorb pain in order to save someone else, in this case, the free world.
I already felt great respect for Hillary, but her going through these ordeals has intensified it.
Meanwhile, Trump's little press conference stunt and attempt to use Bill's past to knock her down pretty much landed like a lead balloon. After the debate I realized I couldn't even remember how she answered it -- I remembered that he had done a word-salad assault about it and she responded, but it got lost in the rest of the debate. I remembered liking her response at the time but it didn't stick because the whole thing just blew by. And that was Trump's big whammy.
It became just another "everything she does is stupid and a failure" slur.
This night wasn't entertaining. Donald wasn't fun to watch in any way. Hillary handled herself very well. Trump pulled back on the total collapse of his first debate performance and concentrated on venom (intermixed with many of his usual stupidities and all the alt-right Breitbart junk). He also sniffed a lot and whined several times about how unfair the moderators were. There were several comments comparing him to a petulant child -- no surprise there.
The moderators were, I think, pretty good, all things considered.
CNN poll give Clinton a decisive win: 57 to 34. Sentient beings weigh in. Deplorables remain deplorable. So there's that.
90 forgettable minutes
neilm [3] -
Aliens (2nd one) is the best. Mostly.
Heh.
"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
:-)
LizM [4] -
I don't want to talk about baseball. Orioles lost to some team from some other country (heh), and now it's looking like the Giants will end their streak of winning the WS every two years (2010, 12, 14...).
Sigh.
Dr. Fish [5] -
Good book to read: "Double Star" by Robert Heinlein. Actor hired as body double to politician has to take over his job... interesting!
TheStig [14] -
Wife showed me a funny tweet photo: "Trump certainly snorted a lot of 'debate prep'"
Heh.
TheStig [26] -
Trump had a death grip on the back of that chair. I bet he was taught to do this so he wouldn't wander the stage so much.
chaszzzbrown [35] -
OK, now THAT was funny! Nice one...
:-)
OK, everyone here's my general take on the debate:
Trump did better than first debate, didn't pick a fight with Rosie O'Donnell once! OK, snarky, but he was a bit more focused and less random. Unlike the first debate, the first half hour was Trump's weakest (last time around it was the last 30 minutes).
Trump tried to apologize and move on from the video shocker, but didn't notably succeed, especially when he went after Bill, which didn't really work, and when he bizarrely tried to work ISIS into his answer about the Access Hollywood video.
Trump looked antsy. Walking around aimlessly, gripping the chair, grimacing, interrupting, picking fights with moderators. None of which was a good look for him. Not to mention his constant sniffing.
Trump's answers were as content-free as usual. Lotta word salad there.
But, overall, it looks like the debate prep sessions (that he denies are actually happening) have actually done him some good, as he did at least give the appearance of being more focused tonight.
Hillary was Hillary. Lots of wonky answers that prove she's deeply thought about all kinds of issues, defended her own record very well, and refused to be baited by Trump at all (which must have required superhuman resistance to temptation).
Hillary did a MUCH better job at relating to the questioners on a human level. Trump didn't even try this, but Hillary directly addressed questioners and gave her answers directly to them.
Moderators were overwhelmed at times, but forceful at other times. Better job than Lester Holt, that's for sure. Trump looked petty whining about them.
One thing I have been hearing, that I think is slightly unfair, is that Trump was "stalking" Clinton. Well, some of this (as my wife pointed out) was because of a camera angle. When Clinton got a question from the left (Trump's) side of the room, she walked over and addressed the person. But from where the camera was located, it made it appear that Trump was looming over her shoulder. He was actually staying put -- she was the one who moved into the foreground of his camera shot.
Now, I'm not saying Trump wasn't peripatetic at times on stage, but at least some of it wasn't really fair, because she was the one doing the moving. But the meme is already spreading like wildfire, so tomorrow I expect lots of "Trump stalks Hillary" stories.
I don't think this debate changed anyone's mind who supports either candidate. On that measure, it was a draw. But I do think Trump concentrated on shoring up his base support, while Clinton was trying to convince undecideds. Whether she's successful or not remains to be seen, but I think she did a pretty good job of attempting that goal tonight.
Just a few random thoughts....
-CW
Trump clearly dominated the 2nd Debate.. Hillary was on defense, played poorly, the entire debate...
I agree with CW.. No minds were changed, but Trump clearly demonstrated why Hillary would make a very VERY bad President..
Michale
Hillary got caught in an Alzheimers moment or a lie..
She said she wasn't SecState when Obama issued his milquetoast and adjustable "red line" in Syria..
She was...
Of course, the moderators didn't fact check Hillary.. Fact Checks are only for those with '-R's after their names..
Michale
"I hope you enjoyed the peace, because as of now, we're back in business."
-Gene Hackman, CRIMSON TIDE
:D
Michale
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXogbcUEAARii9.jpg
It's the WestWorld fly!!!
That proves it.
Hillary is a robot. The real Hillary Clinton died after her 9/11 collapse... :D
Michale
Good book to read: "Double Star" by Robert Heinlein. Actor hired as body double to politician has to take over his job... interesting!
Yep.. They made a movie of it..
DAVE
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106673/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
:D
Michale
Clinton Campaign responds to Trump's Debate victory..
"Go fuck yourself"
-Jesse Lehrir, Clinton Campaign Spokesman
Apparently, Trump got under THEIR skin this time around... :D
Michale
But I did finally find something less accurate than statements by Trump and Clinton- Eli's passing.
heh :D
Michale
The Grab It video was just released on Friday. Fresh from hearing the Orange One bragging about sexual assault, I don't think his angry woman stalking routine was a good idea. I think he won hands down with the Trumpthug demographic. They were probably feeling a little demoralized by polling numbers and his persistent illness is a concern, but his rabid dog act was a pick-me-up. On the other hand, the worst revelations are surely yet to come.
Where did you find this?
On the other hand, the worst revelations are surely yet to come.
Yes, they are..
We have already discovered that Clinton routinely employs a rope-a-dope where she has one policy position for public consumption and a completely different position for private..
We also have learned that Clinton has completely exonerated the Big Banks privately and will still be Wall Street's bitch in the Oval Office, once Wall Street's current bitch vacates..
So, yer right, JFC...
Worst revelations are yet to come... :D
Michale
On the other hand, the worst revelations are surely yet to come.
Oh wait.. You mean Trump???
You call this a "revelation"???
Tell me... With this "revelation" did you learn anything new about Trump???
Of course you didn't...
So, how can it be a "revelation"???
I think Neil's wife said it best.. This isn't the "final" nail in Trump's coffin.. This is simply one of many nails (IE accusations) that didn't reveal ANYTHING new about Trump..
In short, it's "hoo hum/yaawwwnnnn" city that doesn't mean squat..
And, as I said before, if ya'all aren't prepared to hold Bill and Hillary Clinton accountable for Bill's rapes and sexual assaults and Hillary's aiding, abetting and character assassinations of Bill's victims....
You have absolutely NO RIGHT to hold Trump accountable for his locker room BS that occurred over a decade ago...
It's that simple, my friend.... :D
Michale
Where did you find this?
Most memorable line of the campaign. Heh.
Totally devoid of meaningful content. A lot of mud slinging and playing to the base. I don't believe this will move the polls at all. Too late for that, the electorate is set. This is a very steady election...
So were the polls in BREXIT...
We know what happened then right?? :D
Michale
Not only does Hillary have to deal with her ass being handed to her in Debate #2...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-wikileaks-dumps-another-2086-podesta-emails/
Now another 2000+ plus of her private emails are now in the wild....
Michale
And, as I said before, if ya'all aren't prepared to hold Bill and Hillary Clinton accountable for Bill's rapes and sexual assaults and Hillary's aiding, abetting and character assassinations of Bill's victims....
You have absolutely NO RIGHT to hold Trump accountable for his locker room BS that occurred over a decade ago...
So, we shouldn't hold Trump accountable for something that happened a decade ago, but we should hold the Clinton's accountable for things that happened over two decades ago. Got it.
Good to see you back, Michale. We've all missed that peculiar brand of hypocrisy.
Now another 2000+ plus of her private emails are now in the wild.
The last email dump included enough Russian forgeries to invalidate the whole dump. I've never seen this much foreign meddling in a US election. Assange needs to move into the Russian embassy, where he can oversee the KGB's fiction-writing more closely.
So, we shouldn't hold Trump accountable for something that happened a decade ago, but we should hold the Clinton's accountable for things that happened over two decades ago. Got it.
So.. You are equating locker room BS talk with actual rape and sexual assault??
Got it..
Good to see you back, Michale. We've all missed that peculiar brand of hypocrisy.
What you call hypocrisy is nothing more than the facts and non-politically-correct conclusions...
It's good to be back.. :D
Michale
The last email dump included enough Russian forgeries to invalidate the whole dump. I've never seen this much foreign meddling in a US election. Assange needs to move into the Russian embassy, where he can oversee the KGB's fiction-writing more closely.
"Of course, you can PROVE that, right?? Oh yea, that's right.. I forgot. You were absent the day they taught LAW at Law School!!"
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN
:D
It's funny.. Back in 2012, when it worked to the advantage of the Party agenda, the Russians were our bosom buddies..
NOW it's completely different.. SOLELY because of a Party agenda...
If they were Russian forgeries, then Camp Clinton would be specific about denying them..
Michale
Of course, Camp Clinton will say *ANYTHING* to get Hillary elected, no matter how much BS it actually is..
Hillary knows that she is going to jail if she loses....
Michale
It's funny.. Back in 2012, when it worked to the advantage of the Party agenda, the Russians were our bosom buddies..
NOW it's completely different.. SOLELY because of a Party agenda...
"We are at war with East Asia. We have always been at war with East Asia."
-1984
The reality of 1984, courtesy of the Democrat Party....
Michale
Scandals, emails, Benghazi..Grump and his Grumpeteers want to act as if all these things are brand new, rather than extensively investigated and ultimately debunked. Truth is, they've got nothing, and worse, there's even more about Trump that hasn't surfaced yet.
"Oh God, he stole the handle and the train it won't stop moving, no it won't slow down.." - Locomotive Breath by Jethro Tull
actual rape and sexual assault?
"Of course, you can PROVE that, right?? Oh yea, that's right.. I forgot. You were absent the day they taught LAW at Law School!!"
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN
Broadrick's claims weren't litigated because she had no proof, and didn't even mention it to anyone, including her family, until years later, AFTER she'd been contacted by the Arkansas Projekt. Waaayyy too bogus for any court of law.
Scandals, emails, Benghazi..Grump and his Grumpeteers want to act as if all these things are brand new, rather than extensively investigated and ultimately debunked. Truth is, they've got nothing,
And yet, upwards of 70% of Americans think LIAR is the best word to describe Hillary Clinton..
I know you WANT to believe it's "nothing"...
But if it were REALLY "nothing" then Clinton would be 50 points ahead of Trump...
Broadrick's claims weren't litigated because she had no proof,
Neither were Paula Jones'.. Yet Bill paid..
Bill denied each and every accusation.. Yet, the majority of them were PROVEN factual..
So, why do you believe Bill about Broaderick's claims??
Ahhhhh, that's right..
Because Bill has a '-D' after his name..
Michale
Regardless of the facts, the point is simple...
Ya'all refuse to hold Hillary and Bill accountable, so you have absolutely no right to hold Trump accountable...
Michale
Bill Clinton denied Monica Lewinsky... He was PROVEN a liar..
Why do you believe Bill about Broaderick??
Ahhh That's right.. The '-D' after his name...
Michale
Martha Raddatz. I couldn't remember her name last night, but she did a fine job. So did AC. They were largely successful in corralling the candidates to their time slots and they asked pertinent follow-up questions.
I think Trump benefited from the latter more than Clinton. Trump really can't keep a train of thought going for more than about a minute, after which he usually strikes off on a number tangents, leaving the original thought in the dust and not completing any of the tangents either. A noun, a verb, then a sputter of word salad. The follow-ups got him back on track, and he seemed less scatter brained.
As I expected, the debate did not seem to move the meter much. Betfair gives Trump about the same odds this morning as he had last night just before the debate. This may have been enough to stop his slide, but even that is not clear yet. Same thing over on PredictIt. The markets are typically reliable leading indicators of where the polls are heading. So, it looks like last night was a draw. Both sides defended their turf, but Clinton has a lot more turf than Trump, with 30 days to go. I call this a strategic win for Clinton (still strong favorite), but not a nail in the coffin for Trump. Or at least not another nail, maybe Trump's Pussy Riot was THE nail, time will tell.
Welcome back Michale. Hope things are getting back to normal..
~Phil~
Breaking News!
The Original Gropenfuhrer, Arnold Schwarzenegger, will not be voting for Trump. Even a man who shtupped
his maid won't shtup THAT low!
Arnold, if haven't adopted the hashtag "The Original Gropenfuhrer" you need to do it Right NOW!!!
Welcome back Michale. Hope things are getting back to normal..
~Phil~
Or what passes for normal.. :D
heh... Thanx Phil... :D
Michale
for those who haven't seen it, man in the high castle is amazing.
If you ever wanted to see an OH SHIT look..
http://sjfm.us/temp/ohshit.jpg
... there it is... :D
Michale
for those who haven't seen it, man in the high castle is amazing.
Been thinking of downloading the first season.. Is it sci-fi'ish?? Probably can't get my lovely wife into it, if it's sci-fi'ish...
Michale
Camp Clinton made a BIG mistake by not addressing Bill's sexual assaults and activities head on...
Michale
The Original Gropenfuhrer, Arnold Schwarzenegger, will not be voting for Trump. Even a man who shtupped
his maid won't shtup THAT low!
See my point??
Ya'all only want to discuss sexual activities of those with a '-R' after their names...
If they have a '-D' after their names, it's all ignored...
Michale
But if it were REALLY "nothing" then Clinton would be 50 points ahead of Trump...
Could'ja move that bar a little higher? heh. Two can play that game: if Trump were half as clever as he says he is, why isn't HE 50 points ahead, instead of whining daily that he isn't being given a fair shake? Real men don't bitch about life being unfair to them, especially to their private pilot.
There's no point re-litigating Republican fever-dreams. That won't move the dial either for Trump or Hillary.
What could move the dial will be Trump's demeanor. Hillary understated her case last night: the number of Republicans who have jumped ship on Trump is up to historic proportions. He has no newspaper endorsements, none. Even Goldwater had newspaper endorsements. And the reason they can't support him is the same thing driving everyone else away: the man is a crass boor. I've heard folks say that he was charming in person. What most folks saw last night was their boorishly opinionated uncle, pacing and making faces and noises and threats rather than engaging in civilized conversation.
[57] Chris: Now, I'm not saying Trump wasn't peripatetic at times on stage, but at least some of it wasn't really fair, because she was the one doing the moving. But the meme is already spreading like wildfire, so tomorrow I expect lots of "Trump stalks Hillary" stories.
There certainly are a lot of Trump Stalker stories today. There are many women talking about how they've been attacked or molested during their lives.
I think you're underestimating the affect Trump's groping remarks have had on many people. I know women, and men, who have been molested. Trump's offhanded bragging about being able to grope women at will, with the added spice of Billy Bush laughing about it, speaks to the core of many people who have suffered such behaviors. And speaks to the core of those who know and love the victims.
His relentless insults and physical moves on stage helped cement his image as a brute. And it doesn't matter whether his moves were intentional or an accident of camera angles -- it played poorly. Probably because of his facial expressions and the contrast between him glowering and her talking directly to someone.
Could'ja move that bar a little higher? heh. Two can play that game: if Trump were half as clever as he says he is, why isn't HE 50 points ahead,
Duh.. Because Trump ISN'T half as clever as he thinks he is....
But the thing that Trump has going for him that ya'all can NEVER concede is that he is an outsider and Hillary is an ESTABLISHMENT drone..
And THAT is why Hillary will lose..
What could move the dial will be Trump's demeanor.
Yea?? Ya'all keep claiming that..
And yet, it has NEVER come to pass.. Matter of fact, it's just the opposite... Trump doubles down and his popularity increases...
That's the point ya'all refuse to admit...
Patriotic Americans are SICK AND TIRED of Establishment Drones like Clinton...
And those angry Americans are a LOT more plentiful and a LOT more motivated than Clintonistas....
The save factors that led to BREXIT are in play here....
Ya'all mis-read the BREXIT vote and ya'all are mis-reading the POTUS vote...
Michale
There certainly are a lot of Trump Stalker stories today. There are many women talking about how they've been attacked or molested during their lives.
But not by Trump..
There HAVE been women who have been groped and molested by Bill Clinton.. And then victimized AGAIN by Hillary Clinton...
Michale
There's also the audio about Trump saying he liked roaming around backstage at Miss Universe contests because the women were dressing and undressing -- no other men were allowed back there but he could go because he was the owner.
Is it sci-fi'ish??
technically yes, but only a tiny bit as far as i can tell. no spaceships or androids, just a chillingly realistic "what if germany and japan had won WW2" scenario.
JL
He is repulsive.
Remember how ya'all scoffed at the idea that islamic terrorists would blend in with Syria refugees???
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/10/hillary-worried-about-jihadists-entering-with-refugees-in-private-speech/
Apparently, PRIVATELY, Hillary conceded the danger...
PRIVATELY, Hillary completely and unequivocally agreed with me....
Michale
Remember how ya'all scoffed at the idea that islamic terrorists would blend in with Syria refugees?
No, because no one has ever scoffed at that idea. The INS, Homeland Security, the intelligence community, they're not scoffing. That's why refugee candidates are undergoing the most scrupulous background checking ever applied to would-be immigrants. Certainly more vetting than was ever applied to the eastern European underage-girl-models that Trump imports.
No, because no one has ever scoffed at that idea.
Oh puulleeeze....
Ya'all were adamant that there is no way possible that refugee programs could bring terrorists into this country..
You don't get to re-write Wiegantian history...
That's why refugee candidates are undergoing the most scrupulous background checking ever applied to would-be immigrants.
And even HILLARY CLINTON concedes that it's not enough.. That some terrorists WILL GET THROUGH...
Given this FACT (that ya'all apparently concede right now) the ONLY logical conclusion is to suspend the refugee programs until such time as security CAN be guaranteed..
WOW.. Isn't that EXACTLY what Trump suggested...
Michale
On another not...
https://i.imgur.com/xbSItdNh.jpg
heh :D
Michale
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/leaked-memo-raises-more-questions-about-potential-illegal-coordination-between-clinton-campaign-and-super-pacs/
You see???
Democrats LOVE the Citizen United ruling... :D
Michale
Trump doubles down and his popularity increases...
That's the point ya'all refuse to admit
Well, we're about to find that out, aren't we? Because Trump certainly doubled down last night, and let the poo fly like confetti.
If he's still down in the polls by Friday, y'all might want to rethink your demographic premises.
If he's still down in the polls by Friday, y'all might want to rethink your demographic premises.
Is that a TRUMP IS TOAST prediction??
Because, as of now, ya'all are 0-367.... :D
Michale
If he's still down in the polls by Friday, y'all might want to rethink your demographic premises.
My demographics are simple...
Patriotic Americans vs Corporatists Globalists....
The Americans are going to win... :D
Michale
Broadrick's claims weren't litigated because she had no proof,
Neither were Paula Jones'.. Yet Bill paid..
Someone needs to inform Joe Cammarata and Gilbert Davis -- the original lawyers of Paula Jones who withdrew from her case about 3 years into it -- and Rader, Campbell, Fisher & Pyke -- Jones' subsequent lawyers when her case was dismissed and who handled her appeal -- that her claims weren't litigated. *LOL*
If you think someone settling with a litigant versus going through multiple additional years of litigation means they are necessarily guilty, then Donald Trump is one guilty... rhymes with Hastert. :)
If you think someone settling with a litigant versus going through
I think someone with a KNOWN and PROVEN track record for lying about his sexual activities means that they are necessarily guilty..
Using ya'all's reasoning, Bill Cosby is completely and utterly innocent...
Michale
Everything ya'all say in defense of Bill Clinton ALSO applies to Bill Cosby..
Everything ya'all say AGAINST Bill Cosby ALSO applies to Bill Clinton..
Unless ya'all just want to reduce rape and sexual assault to a game of numbers...
Michale
[96] Paula,
There's also the audio about Trump saying he liked roaming around backstage at Miss Universe contests because the women were dressing and undressing -- no other men were allowed back there but he could go because he was the owner.
There's also Bill Pruitt who tweets:
"As a producer on seasons 1 & 2 of #theapprentice I assure you: when it comes to the #trumptapes there are far worse. #justthebegininng"
This guy should know.
https://twitter.com/billpruitt/status/784872190587998209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Everything ya'all say in defense of Bill Clinton ALSO applies to Bill Cosby.
Everything ya'all say AGAINST Bill Cosby ALSO applies to Bill Clinton..
Unless ya'all just want to reduce rape and sexual assault to a game of numbers...
Please keep prattling on and on with this type utter nonsensical and unrelated bullshit. You're only making yourself sound ridiculous, and I'm completely okay with that. :)
Please keep prattling on and on with this type utter nonsensical and unrelated bullshit. You're only making yourself sound ridiculous, and I'm completely okay with that. :)
TRANSLATION: I have no logical or rational response to your FACTS so I will simply comment with an immature personal attack...
Your concession of my superior argument is appreciated, albeit irrelevant...
Irregardless of that, thanx for the well-wishes and the youtube link. Cracked me up.. :D
Michale
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Behind closed doors, Hillary Clinton adopted a rather more accommodating tone with Wall Street than she has on the campaign trail.
In private paid speeches to financial firms and interest groups before she declared her candidacy, the Democratic presidential nominee comes off as a knowing insider, willing to cut backroom deals, embrace open trade and grant Wall Street a central role in crafting financial regulations, according to excerpts obtained last week through hacked campaign emails provided to WikiLeaks.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016_CLINTON_SPEECHES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-10-15-31-25
Like I said...
This election is patriotic Americans (Trump) vs corporatist globalism (Clinton)...
Ya'all have chosen the wrong side...
Michale
[87] apophis
for those who haven't seen it, man in the high castle is amazing.
It's quite good. So many PKDick adaptations are faithful only in the title and some random element at best ('Blade Runner' - they didn't even use the title of the book!).
[89] Michale
Been thinking of downloading the first season.. Is it sci-fi'ish?? Probably can't get my lovely wife into it, if it's sci-fi'ish...
It's not an action-sci-fi at all - it's much more of a drama with a Twilight-Zone-ish premise. Great acting and photography; and pretty interesting if you're into history of the mid-twentieth century. I'd give the first ep a try - if you get hooked by that one, you'll dig the series!
[57] CW
Now, I'm not saying Trump wasn't peripatetic at times on stage, but at least some of it wasn't really fair, because she was the one doing the moving. But the meme is already spreading like wildfire, so tomorrow I expect lots of "Trump stalks Hillary" stories.
+1 for peripatetic!
I'm pretty inclined to think that Hillary knew exactly what she was doing. Tricks of the trade!
It's not an action-sci-fi at all - it's much more of a drama with a Twilight-Zone-ish premise. Great acting and photography; and pretty interesting if you're into history of the mid-twentieth century. I'd give the first ep a try - if you get hooked by that one, you'll dig the series!
We'll give it a shot.. We tried MAD MEN based on CW recommendation, but could not get into it..
This recommendation looks like a winner.. :D
Thanx...
Michale
chaszzzbrown [115] -
OK, don't have time to answer other comments (putting together today's Electoral Math column), but had to answer this one.
I learned the word "peripatetic" from the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes.
Calvin: "What if somebody calls us a pair o' pathetic peripatetics?"
I think this is the right link:
http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2013/09/18
but it went wonky in my browser. Anyway, just had to share that...
:-)
-CW
A tweet from this morning:
Garry Kasparov@Kasparov63
Trump's "President Day 1" checklist: 1 Jail opponent. 2 Media crackdown. 3 Support Assad. Coincidentally, that was also Putin's checklist.
12:03 AM - 10 Oct 2016
Trump: "Assad is killing ISIS. Russia is killing ISIS."
Wrong again, Great Pumpkin:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXzmynW8AATnAy.jpg
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/10/debate-dredges-up-clintons-defense-accused-rapist-audio-her-laughing-at-case.html
Hillary Clinton... The champion of women and children...
Of course, no one wants to address the facts....
Michale
[112] Michale,
TRANSLATION: I have no logical or rational response to your FACTS so I will simply comment with an immature personal attack...
Ummm, no... that was still English. Missed my translation lesson, did you? No bother, I can repeat it for the slow learners or those absent. Of course that was English. Were you trying to demonstrate your problem with English or did you just want to translate another language?
Ty syuda chasto prikhodish? Ti sevodnay shto dalish?
Translate that.
This spew you're calling a "TRANSLATION" also contains some actual instructive psychological projection, and you really could accidentally unintentionally gain some insight into yourself with your TRANSLATION/NOT TRANSLATION nuggets.
Your concession of my superior argument is appreciated, albeit irrelevant...
Nice projection. Yes, you are still irrelevant. Keep up with your translation/projection, and you could learn so much more about YOU.
Irregardless of that, thanx for the well-wishes and the youtube link. Cracked me up.. :D
Admitting you have a psychological problem is the first step to recovery.
Pozhaluysta. Schastliva.
Federal court extends Florida's voter registration deadline because of Hurricane Matthew evacuations, over the opposition of Governor Rick Scott.
Nice projection. Yes, you are still irrelevant.
Yet, you still hang on my every word..
Must not be THAT irrelevant.. :D
And you YET to address ANY facts....
Michale
You have absolutely NO RIGHT to hold Trump accountable for his locker room BS that occurred over a decade ago...
As someone who played sports most of their life and who coached for over 15 years, Trump's bragging on how he sexually assaulted women is NOT talk that ever occurred in any locker room I have been in. One, this wasn't Trump bragging to his buddies in private at the country club. This was Trump making comments to a TV reporter and a film crew doing a story on him! He was wearing a microphone! How many locker rooms have you been in that people wore microphones in the steam room? Most guys in the locker rooms I have been in it didn't want to/ need to force themselves on someone they are attracted to. Lastly, so he gives specifics as to his making the moves on a married woman who rejected him and now says it never happened and we should just believe him? Oh, it's because he has a (R) behind his name, that's right!
Michale,
Yet, you still hang on my every word..
It's not the least bit surprising that the fact I don't block your multitude of posts with Charlie Brown's totally functional Tamper Monkey device would be perceived as "hanging on my every word" by a needy troll like you being spoon fed a steady diet of propaganda and living in an alternate reality on the edges of the right-wing fringe. *LOL*
Well, I did ask you to keep prattling on and on with nonsensical bullshit, and you did not disappoint. :)
Trump's comments were "this is what I do and have done". Not only do I fully believe he has engaged in that type of behavior in the past, I think it's likely he still does.
Trump tries to say "hey, that was 2005, I've changed since then!"
When? When did he change? How about 1 minute after the tape was released?
He provides no "evidence" he's changed. He doesn't talk about it in the way people talk about points in their lives when they figure something out -- like Michale will talk when he, one day, embraces the light. Trump's "apology" was clearly forced -- he expressed no true contrition. His most honest statement was probably: "frankly, I'm embarasssed". I believe that.
Paula,
You're right, of course. Trump may have the rubes fooled, but he himself knows exactly who Trump is. Chris Matthews has interviewed Trump many times, and he seems to be comfortable with Chris and lets his guard down around him.
Here is a link to video wherein Matthews discusses Bill Clinton with Trump. He calls Paula Jones a "loser." Matthews also asks Trump about him running for governor or president, and Trump says:
"I don't like it. Can you imagine how controversial I'd be? You think about him with the women; how about me with the women? Can you imagine?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGTrPjkM8w
[128] Kick: Yep!
And this is interesting -- and sad -- and telling: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/sexual-assault-survivor-reaction.html?_r=0
Facebook pages and Twitter feeds filled with comments and multiplying threads from women who recalled being groped by doctors, by piano teachers, by photography instructors, by perfect strangers. They told stories of being flashed on the bus by masturbators, of having male colleagues rub up against them at the copy machine in their office, of dates and bosses demanding sex.
The Donald's comments stirred up a hell of a hornets nest -- I think the reverberations will go on for a long time. Every woman who's experienced harassment/assault will now see him through that lens. (Men too, who have been preyed upon.)
“And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.”
-Email From Clinton Campaign..
In other words, Camp Clinton wants Sheeple..
And they found them right here in Weigantia.. :D
Michale
“And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.”
-Email From Clinton Campaign..
In other words, Camp Clinton wants Sheeple..
And they found them right here in Weigantia.. :D
Michale
Listen,
Lastly, so he gives specifics as to his making the moves on a married woman who rejected him and now says it never happened and we should just believe him?
Why not?? You believe Bill Clinton didn't rape or sexually assault anyone..
Why not believe Trump??
Oh yea, that's right. Because Bill has a '-D' after his name and Trump has a '-R'....
Michale
Trump's comments were "this is what I do and have done". Not only do I fully believe he has engaged in that type of behavior in the past, I think it's likely he still does.
So, Trump is a liar about everything according to you..
But THIS you believe..
Is it possible you only believe it because you WANT to believe it?? :D
Just like you WANT to believe that Bill Clinton didn't rape and sexually assault scores of women.. Just like you WANT to believe that Hillary didn't set out to destroy Bill's victims...
Like I said, ya'all have absolutely NO RIGHT or NO MORAL FOUNDATION to condemn Trump for his WORDS because ya'all give Bill Clinton a pass for his ACTIONS...
It's that simple...
Michale
Every woman who's experienced harassment/assault will now see him through that lens.
You mean like Juanita Broaderick?? She's a Trump supporter...
You mean like Paula Jones?? She's a Trump supporter...
You mean like Kathleen Willey?? She's a Trump supporter...
You can't address these FACTS because it totally decimates ya'all's position....
So, as usual, you just ignore them...
Michale
It's not the least bit surprising that the fact I don't block your multitude of posts with Charlie Brown's totally
Face the facts.. You CAN'T block me.. :D
I am the wind beneath your wings.. :D heh
"He doesn't know it but I am then wind beneath his wings."
-Dr Rodney McKay, STARGATE ATLANTIS
:D
Michale
“The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking – and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging.”
-Clinton Campaign Email
You people need to be more unaware and more complaint!!!
I would not have thought that possible because ya'all are REALLY unaware and REALLY compliant.. :D
Iddn't it nice ta know that Camp Clinton thinks of ya'all as a bunch of mind-less sheeple totally controlled by Party ideology... :D
Michale
http://observer.com/2016/10/breaking-dnc-chief-donna-brazile-leaked-sanders-info-to-clinton-campaign/
Hillary confirms the validity of the emails...
Emails confirm that the DNC was in the bag for Hillary...
Bernie supporters are going to stay home by the millions or vote Trump...
Michale
You know I thug em, fuck em, love em, leave em
Cause I don’t fuckin need em
Take em out the hood, keep em lookin good
But I don’t fuckin feed em
First time they fuss I’m breezin
Talkin bout, “What’s the reasons?”
I’m a pimp in every sense of the word, bitch
Better trust than believe em
In the cut where I keep em
til I need a nut, til I need to beat the guts
Then it’s, beep beep and I’m pickin em up
Let em play with the dick in the truck
Many chicks wanna put Jigga fist in cuffs
Divorce him and split his bucks
Just because you got good head, I’m a break bread
so you can be livin it up? Shit I
parts with nothin, y’all be frontin
Me give my heart to a woman?
Not for nothin, never happen.
-Jay Z
This asshole was a guest in the White House...
Left Wingers don't say dick about it...
Yet ya'all condemn Trump for some locker room talk over a decade ago???
Does the word "hypocrisy" mean anything to ya'all???
Michale
[131] Michale,
“And as I’ve mentioned, we’ve all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry.”
-Email From Clinton Campaign..
*LOL* Alex Jones and the latest bullshit conspiracy theory floating around on the edge of the right-wing fringes. They took the sentence out of context, and therefore it went right over the right-wing sheeple's heads that the email is discussing the Trump phenomenon:
"Trump masters TV, TV so-called news picks up and repeats and repeats to death this opinionated blowhard and his hairbrained ideas, free-floating discontent attaches to a seeming strongman and we're off and running."
Later in the email:
"I'm certain the poll-directed insiders are sure things will default to policy as soon as the conventions are over, but I think not. And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire
to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands
some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging. Rubio's press conference yesterday AM was good and should be repeated in its entirety, not just in nibbles."
The "we" being discussed is not the Democratic Party; they're talking about the state of politics in general in the United States and Trump's opportunism. I looked up Rubio's press conference referred to in the email, and here is what Rubio had to say at the 03-12-2016 press conference mentioned in the email:
"This boiling point that we have now reached has been fed largely by the fact that we have a frontrunner in my party who has fed into language that basically justifies physically assaulting people who disagree with you.... A Donald Trump supporter sucker punched a man the other day at an event. Donald Trump has yet to condemn it. So it tells you, it tells you in many ways he doesn't want to say anything to his supporters because he doesn't want to turn them off. Because he understands that the reason why they are voting for him is because he has tapped into this anger. The problem is leadership has never been about taking people's anger and using it to get them to vote for you. If it is, it's a dangerous style of leadership.... I believe Donald Trump as our nominee is going to shatter and fracture the Republican Party and the conservative movement," he said.
In other words, Camp Clinton wants Sheeple..
I don't remember "Camp Clinton" demeaning government and encouraging homeschooling and criticizing the educated elites, do you? Why would the "establishment" candidate demean the establishment?
Read the whole document, why don't you, and for your own good, stop believing all the bullshit you're being spoon fed on the right-wing fringe. *LOL* :)
Michale,
Face the facts.. You CAN'T block me.. :D
I can block whomever I wish.
I am the wind beneath your wings.. :D heh
Well, you are a hot bag of wind; I'll grant you that. And, of course, you'll always be beneath the entire group here; so I'll grant you that also. :)
I can block whomever I wish.
Suuure ya can.. :D
Michale
The "we" being discussed is not the Democratic Party; they're talking about the state of politics in general in the United States and Trump's opportunism.
Yea, SUUUUREE it is...
That's yer spin..
That is NOT the facts...
Michale
Michale
Who said that I believed Bill? Oh wait, I forget that you are omniscient and know what everyone on here thinks and believes. I know that Bill never bragged to any reporters that he sexually assaulted these women, and Ken Starr couldn't conclude that he did anything inappropriate, but that doesn't mean some of it couldn't have occurred. There is just one problem with focusing on Bill....NONE of THAT MATTERS!!!
This isn't about Bill, although Trumpettes like yourself don't have any choice but to attack Bill since the person actually running for office has never been accused of sexual assaulting anyone! Trump's first wife accused him of rape, and only after the divorce settlement was finalized did she walk back her claims. Trump's attorney at the time argued that a husband cannot rape someone that they are married to, not that Trump hadn't done what Ivanna claimed. Trump is dealing with a lawsuit now that the victim claims Trump raped her when she was only 13.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/haitians-fear-clintons-will-scam-them-again/
When Hurricane Matthew hit, Clintons saw dollar signs....
Michale
This asshole was a guest in the White House...
Left Wingers don't say dick about it...
Yet ya'all condemn Trump for some locker room talk over a decade ago???
Does the word "hypocrisy" mean anything to ya'all???
Apparently, not.. :^/
Michale
Hillary got caught in an Alzheimers moment or a lie..
She said she wasn't SecState when Obama issued his milquetoast and adjustable "red line" in Syria..
She was...
Of course, the moderators didn't fact check Hillary.. Fact Checks are only for those with '-R's after their names..
Ya'all claim I never have facts...
What ya'all are REALLY saying is that ya'all CAN'T address the FACTS I have....
Michale
Who said that I believed Bill?
By omission, you did..
But, hay... Do you believe Bill Clinton when he said he didn't rape or sexually assault anyone??
It's a simple YES or NO question...
There is just one problem with focusing on Bill....NONE of THAT MATTERS!!!
OF COURSE it doesn't matter to you and the other sheeple...
Because Bill has a '-D' after his name..
It DOES matter to decent patriotic Americans who care more for country and don't give a damn about any Party...
This isn't about Bill, although Trumpettes like yourself don't have any choice but to attack Bill since the person actually running for office has never been accused of sexual assaulting anyone!
No, she just aided and abetted and then attacked Bill's victims to destroy them...
THAT is relevant to the campaign, as much as you would like to pretend otherwise..
Trump is dealing with a lawsuit now that the victim claims Trump raped her when she was only 13.
And, of course, you BELIEVE that...
Like I said.. It's all wishful thinking on your part..
You are lock-step with the Democrat Party.. No original thinking required on this issue...
Michale
Astroturf ‘Outrage Machine’ of Paid Trolls Floods Social Media to Counteract Negative News About Hillary Clinton
One supporter being paid to create multiple anonymous accounts does not constitute genuine support for Hillary Clinton.
https://stream.org/astroturf-outrage-machine-of-paid-trolls-floods-social-media-to-counteract-negative-news-about-hillary-clinton/
Well... Now we know who the "trolls" *REALLY* are... :D
Michale
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4178
Collusion between the DOJ and Camp Clinton regarding the EMAIL prosecution...
Michale
Listen,
Who said that I believed Bill?
By omission, you did..
But, hay... Do you believe Bill Clinton when he said he didn't rape or sexually assault anyone??
It's a simple YES or NO question...
Like I said.. You believe Bill when he says he didn't rape Juanita Broaderick even though it's PROVEN as fact that Bill lies about these things...
But you believe Bill because Bill has a '-D' after his name..
It's really that simple...
Michale
https://www.rt.com/viral/362493-clownlivesmatter-vs-blacklivesmatter-twitter/
hehehe The WHINE factor is strong here.. :D
Michale