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Program Note

[ Posted Tuesday, December 6th, 2016 – 22:33 UTC ]

Sorry, no new column today. Holiday preparations took too much of my time, so I won't be able to complete November's Obama Poll Watch column -- which will have to run tomorrow. My apologies for the delay.

-- Chris Weigant

 

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69 Comments on “Program Note”

  1. [1] 
    michale wrote:

    And in the CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE department...

    Regardless of your Party affiliation, ya'all have to admit..

    The GOP not confirming or even MEETING about Obama's SCOTUS nominee was a brilliant move that paid off handsomely...

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  2. [2] 
    michale wrote:

    Let's have a TAIWAN discussion...

    https://geopoliticalfutures.com/trump-taiwan-and-an-uproar/

    In a BRILLIANT tactical move, Trump has put China on notice...

    The US is not going to be the push-over it has been under the Obama and Bush administrations...

    Thar's a new sheriff in town...

    China toes the line or takes a hike..

    China needs the US a lot more than the US needs China...

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  3. [3] 
    neilm wrote:

    Repeated from last thread:

    While in the U.S. we can see that the Taiwan call was dumb, in Taiwan the business community are mortified.

    The easy option (there was an excellent "Economist" article on this) for China is to punish Taiwan business interests.

    China is Taiwan's largest trading partner by a country mile and the business community already complain about unfair practices by China. I doubt the environment will get any better for them if Trump and Tsai continue to annoy them.

    Boeing's CEO raised the chance that China will punish U.S. firms in an op-ed, which is why Trump is suddenly interested in the Air Force One deal. Boeing have a $1T (yes trillion) deal with China, and this clown is running around trying to get a better deal for his hotel in Taiwan.

    If a Democrat had done this there would be a special prosecutor tout suite. Trump will get a carte blanche - "drain the swamp" my derriere.

  4. [4] 
    michale wrote:
  5. [5] 
    neilm wrote:

    China needs the US a lot more than the US needs China...

    Tell that to hundreds of thousands of manufacturer workers in the U.S. who work for Boeing and are relying on a $1T deal not being sunk by a clown.

  6. [6] 
    michale wrote:

    While in the U.S. we can see that the Taiwan call was dumb, in Taiwan the business community are mortified.

    Prove it..

    Even if true, only the business community that has connections in China...

    You can protest all ya want... But the simple fact is, this was a GREAT first move for Trump to make.. Puts China on notice that they are not dealing with a pissant kiss-ass any more...

    All you got is blatant (and getting old) fear-mongering that NEVER comes to pass..

    Stocks are up... Market is up.. American PRIDE is up...

    Way ta go, Trump!!!! :D

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  7. [7] 
    michale wrote:

    Tell that to hundreds of thousands of manufacturer workers in the U.S. who work for Boeing and are relying on a $1T deal not being sunk by a clown.

    We did...

    By electing Trump.... :D

  8. [8] 
    neilm wrote:

    Well the Boston Herald's op-ed is "refreshingly" (to quote Pence) light on what the point of pissing the Chinese off is, what we expect to do next, what the risks are and what the winning result is for the U.S.

    Apart from that, a well presented argument.

  9. [9] 
    michale wrote:

    It bears repeating..

    Reagan also assured Taiwan that the United States would not alter its position regarding sovereignty over Taiwan. Finally, Reagan pledged the “United States would not formally recognize China’s sovereignty over Taiwan.”

    Taiwan is a sovereign nation..

    This is fact....

    The idea that it is part of China??

    That's delusion....

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  10. [10] 
    michale wrote:

    Well the Boston Herald's op-ed is "refreshingly" (to quote Pence) light on what the point of pissing the Chinese off is,

    That's easy to answer..

    The point is to let the Chinese know that there is a new sheriff in town and the days of pushing around an American President are over.

    Obama has done jack to face up to China in the SCS... China has been dictating to Obama for the last 8 years..

    Such dictation ends on 20 Jan 2017....

    Trump just let the Chinese know that in no uncertain terms..

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  11. [11] 
    neilm wrote:

    The idea that it is part of China??

    That's delusion....

    Who cares? Why do we care if China want to believe something that isn't so when it has no impact on us? What is the U.S. win by destroying this silly illusion that the Chinese need to keep face, and the Taiwanese are fine with - Taiwan is doing just fine without Trump's help. Tsai is as much an idiot as Trump, as I'm sure she is being told be the top business leaders in Taiwan on an hourly basis at the moment.

    But let's go to the real question: How does it help America (not Trump's hotel deal) to interfere between Beijing and Taipei?

  12. [12] 
    michale wrote:

    It's funny how ya'all are taking China's side in this issue...

    What a role-reversal from the Obama years, eh?? :D

    Like I said, I bet it feels good for ya'all to be back in true Liberal mode... :D

    Taking the side of America's enemies, opposing the government, sticking it to "the man"...

    Oh, now be honest, Captain, warrior to warrior. You do prefer it this way, don't you, as it was meant to be? No peace in our time. 'Once more unto the breach, dear friends.'.."
    -General Chang

    :D

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  13. [13] 
    neilm wrote:

    The point is to let the Chinese know that there is a new sheriff in town and the days of pushing around an American President are over.

    Fine, let's go with your take on things (it isn't reality, just ask Boeing, GM, Apple, Soybean Farmers - yes, check it out, etc.).

    Why pick Taiwan as your fight? What good does that do?

    And let's have a look at the deficit. When Apple import an iPhone from China, it comes in at full price. But that just reflects the fact that the final assembly is done in China. The real cost of the phone comes from the U.S., South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and the U.K. where the components that China has to import come from. So net to china per phone is a few bucks, but because it says "Assembled in China" on the U.S. side we record that as hundred of dollars.

    The deficit is far larger gross to U.S. than net to China because China is currently the cheapest place to assemble high cost parts.

    Also, these are jobs that would go to other low labor cost countries is Trump screws up our Chinese trade.

    Unless you can identify the clear value for America when Trump talked to Tsai, your symbolic reverse engineering shows just how desperate you are to be a Trump fanboy.

  14. [14] 
    neilm wrote:

    It's funny how ya'all are taking China's side in this issue..

    What are you talking about, I'm talking about U.S. business interests - unlike Trump who is taking care of Trump family business.

  15. [15] 
    neilm wrote:

    Taking the side of America's enemies, opposing the government, sticking it to "the man"...

    You're projecting unreality again Michale. Try to stick with the facts and stop the ad hominem nonsense.

  16. [16] 
    michale wrote:

    Who cares? Why do we care if China want to believe something that isn't so when it has no impact on us?

    Oh.. SO you are only into FACTS and REALITY when it serves a partisan agenda... Oh.... well.. OK..

    and the Taiwanese are fine with - Taiwan is doing just fine without Trump's help

    And yet, the PRESIDENT of Taiwan was part and parcel to the message...

    Doesn't sound like Taiwan is "fine" with the delusion...

    Sounds like Taiwan WANTS to change things too...

    But let's go to the real question: How does it help America (not Trump's hotel deal) to interfere between Beijing and Taipei?

    It shows the world that America is not going to be the pissant push-over it's been for the last 8 years.

    And THAT, my friend, is the EXACTLY perfect message that needs to be sent...

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  17. [17] 
    michale wrote:

    You're projecting unreality again Michale. Try to stick with the facts and stop the ad hominem nonsense.

    Apparently, you weren't around here during the Bush years..

    THAT was the reality, I can assure you.. :D

  18. [18] 
    neilm wrote:

    And THAT, my friend, is the EXACTLY perfect message that needs to be sent...

    Let's wait and see. Trump is playing outside of the rules and everybody, from China to the CEOs of UT and Boeing are being careful because they don't know how cray he is. But there is a very good chance that big business that want a stable China relationship, coupled with the Chinese leadership will start to find common ground and push back.

    Our business leaders control the Republican Party, not Trump. There have already been warnings to Trump about his 35% or 45% tariff threats from the Republican leadership.

    Trump will have his wings clipped, and have to back down, probably humiliating our country in the process.

    Pathetic.

  19. [19] 
    michale wrote:

    What are you talking about, I'm talking about U.S. business interests - unlike Trump who is taking care of Trump family business.

    When you can find some business interests here in the US that oppose Trump's move and aren't politically bigoted, we'll talk...

    Fair??

  20. [20] 
    neilm wrote:

    When you can find some business interests here in the US that oppose Trump's move and aren't politically bigoted, we'll talk...

    We already have. The CEO of Boeing tried to explain this to Trump and he replied by messing up the AF1 deal.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-boeing-china-trump-robert-reed-1206-biz-20161205-column.html

  21. [21] 
    michale wrote:

    Let's wait and see.

    Yes, lets... :D

    Not to toot my own horn too much.... :D But I have come out ahead practically every time on the WAIT AND SEE mode... :D

    Trump is playing outside of the rules and everybody, from China to the CEOs of UT and Boeing are being careful because they don't know how cray he is.

    Yes, Trump IS playing outside the rules.. That is EXACTLY why we elected him..

    I realize that the Left's concept of "CHANGE" has been severely damaged by Obama..

    But this is what REAL "change" is....

    Welcome to the jungle... :D

    Our business leaders control the Republican Party, not Trump.

    Yea??? Those same leaders that did everything they could to prevent President Elect Trump??? :D

    Seems to me that Trump is the one who is in control...

    Trump will have his wings clipped, and have to back down, probably humiliating our country in the process.

    I know that is what you hope will happen...

    But, given the fact that Trump has exceeded ALL expectations...

    You'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath... :D

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  22. [22] 
    neilm wrote:

    BTW it was 20 minutes between the CEO's remarks and Trump throwing a twitter tantrum.

  23. [23] 
    michale wrote:

    We already have. The CEO of Boeing tried to explain this to Trump and he replied by messing up the AF1 deal.

    A Hillary supporter...

    'nuff said...

  24. [24] 
    michale wrote:

    BTW it was 20 minutes between the CEO's remarks and Trump throwing a twitter tantrum.

    And???

    Trump's not going to rely on the Media to get his message to the American people..

    Trump is going to bypass the media and talk DIRECTLY to the people..

    I find that refreshing... :D

  25. [25] 
    michale wrote:

    Besides, the CEO of BOEING is doing what is best for BOEING..

    NOT what is best for America...

    You see, that's my point??

    Trump's concern is with the country and the country alone..

    People like the BOEING CEO have their own agendas that are NOT in the best interests of the country...

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  26. [26] 
    michale wrote:
  27. [27] 
    michale wrote:

    You're projecting unreality again Michale. Try to stick with the facts and stop the ad hominem nonsense.

    It's simple..

    Under Obama, the administration could do no wrong..

    Under Trump, the administration can do no right...

    You watch... That's exactly how it's going to be around here..

    Everything ya'all gave Obama a pass for will be daily fodder to castigate and denigrate....

    Domestic Surveillance??? Under Obama it was "Hoo hum, move along.. Nothing to see here.... Under Trump it will be "OH MY GODS IT'S A POLICE STATE!!!!"

    You watch and see if my prediction is not dead on ballz accurate...

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  28. [28] 
    michale wrote:

    Trump and That Phone Call

    When President Jimmy Carter, in 1978, said he was ending diplomatic relations with the Nationalist Chinese government in Taiwan, The Dallas Morning News, a journal widely admired at the time for its robustly conservative viewpoint, called the administration's action "shameful."

    I should know. I wrote the editorial.

    Why choose the word "shameful"? For a very good reason. By giving the back of his diplomatic hand to the Nationalists so as to embrace, and cavort with, the communists of the mainland, Carter brought shame to his country.

    That is a strong statement: especially as it concerns our born-again 39th president, with his inexhaustible penchant for lecturing lesser beings on their lesser grasp of morality. The government that Chiang Kai-Shek had established on Taiwan in 1949, after the reds drove him from the mainland, was what you might call an inherited ally. We had fought alongside the Nationalists in World War II. Chiang was inarguably a defective leader, but he represented democratic, pro-Western government, as contrasted with the brutal prison-camp style of communism that Mao Zedong had imposed on the mainland. A period of isolation commenced between the People's Republic of China and the United States of America. This period Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger ended in the name of Realism.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/12/06/trump_and_that_phone_call_132504.html

  29. [29] 
    neilm wrote:

    When President Jimmy Carter, in 1978, said he was ending diplomatic relations with the Nationalist Chinese government in Taiwan

    Wow, if only we had a Republican President since 1979 who could reverse this.

  30. [30] 
    michale wrote:

    Wow, if only we had a Republican President since 1979 who could reverse this.

    Reagan did the best he could with what he had..

    Reagan also assured Taiwan that the United States would not alter its position regarding sovereignty over Taiwan. Finally, Reagan pledged the “United States would not formally recognize China’s sovereignty over Taiwan.”

    Trump will finish what Reagan started....

    You DO agree that Taiwan should be able to be a free and independent nation..... Don't you?? :D

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  31. [31] 
    michale wrote:

    Wow, if only we had a Republican President since 1979 who could reverse this.

    Democrats didn't want to do it because it was a Democrat who started the whole BS...

    Republicans didn't want to do it because it was a Republican who cemented the whole mess..

    Thank the gods that Trump is neither Democrat nor Republican... :D

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  32. [32] 
    neilm wrote:

    You DO agree that Taiwan should be able to be a free and independent nation..... Don't you?? :D

    I've been to Taiwan. They are doing fine. They have two parties, like ours, that swing between antagonizing and getting on with China. They can sort this themselves, we don't need to interfere.

    Again, what is the material benefit to the U.S. by this action?

    And don't say "It'll put China on notice that there is a new Sheriff in town", that is childish.

    What did you think of Ivanka being in the room when Abe visited? Did you know that she and the Japanese government are partners in a new clothing company in Japan?

  33. [33] 
    neilm wrote:

    Democrats didn't want to do it because it was a Democrat who started the whole BS...

    No, it was Nixon and Kissenger that set this up, it just came to fruition on Carter's watch. Reagan was fine with it. So was Bush 1 and Bush 2.

    You are just trying to make this a Jimmy Carter thing to try to cover up the fact that Trump either did this to promote his own interests, was massively ignorant of the impact, or both.

  34. [34] 
    neilm wrote:

    Thank the gods that Trump is neither Democrat nor Republican... :D

    That is your best one yet Michale :)

  35. [35] 
    neilm wrote:

    Terry Branstad is a good choice for Ambassador to China. He knows how to get along with them.

  36. [36] 
    neilm wrote:

    Plus Iowa is a top Soybean exporter to China, so China know they have their hands on his delicates if Trump tries to be macho.

  37. [37] 
    michale wrote:

    I've been to Taiwan. They are doing fine. They have two parties, like ours, that swing between antagonizing and getting on with China. They can sort this themselves, we don't need to interfere.

    And yet, the President of Taiwan joined with Trump to send a signal to Beijing...

    You always forget that one salient point..

    Again, what is the material benefit to the U.S. by this action?

    And again, it sends a signal to the world that the BendOverAndTakeItUpTheArse United States created by Obama and the Democrats is no more...

    And don't say "It'll put China on notice that there is a new Sheriff in town", that is childish.

    You say "childish", I say factual...

    POWER PERCEIVED IS POWER ACHIEVED

    What did you think of Ivanka being in the room when Abe visited? Did you know that she and the Japanese government are partners in a new clothing company in Japan?

    Do I care???

    Not a damn bit...

    The only people who care are those Americans who want to see the country run into the ground some more by Obama and the Democrats and will use ANY lame excuse to slam Trump..

    No, it was Nixon and Kissenger that set this up, it just came to fruition on Carter's watch.

    Nixon still continued diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Carter, the Democrat stopped it..

    You are just trying to make this a Jimmy Carter thing to try to cover up the fact that Trump either did this to promote his own interests, was massively ignorant of the impact, or both.

    That's your spin, unsupported by ANY facts whatsoever...

    That is your best one yet Michale :)

    Yep... Nothing but the facts...

    Terry Branstad is a good choice for Ambassador to China. He knows how to get along with them.

    Yea, but getting along by going along is no longer the policy of the United States.. That was Obama's policy and it's officially toast... :D

    Plus Iowa is a top Soybean exporter to China, so China know they have their hands on his delicates if Trump tries to be macho.

    Soybeans??

    Yea.. THAT's going to make all the difference!! :D

    I really have to wonder if you actually BELIEVE all the BS yer spewin... :D

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  38. [38] 
    michale wrote:

    Stocks close at all time highs...

    Happy days are here again!! :D

    What happened to all the dark and dreary fear mongering about how the market will tank if Trump is elected???

    Another prediction that the Left got totally and utterly WRONG...

    It's becoming a habit for the Left, eh? :D

  39. [39] 
    neilm wrote:

    You know what happened when Reagan tried to renegotiate the relationship with China (he ran on ‘upgrading’ the Taiwan relationship in 1980). The 1979 agreement had one part that China was furious about – that the U.S. could sell military equipment to Taiwan. But they couldn’t stop us.

    Reagan came into office and negotiated with China. We ended up going backwards – the August 1982 Communique Reagan was forced to sign imposed restrictions on our sales of military equipment to Taiwan.

    China today is 25 times larger from an economic perspective than the China Reagan was humiliated by.

    Trump is so far out his depth it isn’t even funny.

  40. [40] 
    neilm wrote:

    Soybeans??

    Yes Soybeans. Maybe in Florida you don't follow the crops that we grow in the mid-West, but the red agricultural states of America are keenly aware of the amount of our food that China buy.

    China has already told us what they will do if Trump starts to mess around with tariffs. They will target our biggest exports to China:

    1. 1 in 6 Boeing planes are sold to China. That will stop, resulting in a massive loss of manufacturing jobs. They are going to switch to Airbus.

    2. 60% of the U.S. Soybean crop goes to China. That will stop as they begin switching to other suppliers causing a collapse in U.S. prices. How is that going to play in Peoria? The mid-West will go bananas. Not grow bananas, go bananas. With Trump. Instantly.

    3. Destabilize our supply chains. Red tape on U.S. companies imports and exports.

    4. Ensure that the capital markets are destabilized. They hold a huge amount of our debt, and just by threatening to add 50% to the daily volume.

    How fast do you think Trump will be onto a plane to Beijing to apologize? My guess, two weeks. Maybe three.

  41. [41] 
    neilm wrote:

    The markets are reacting to the lowering of the corporate tax rate and the promise of a ballooning deficit from a surge in military and other spending.

    If you dad told a five year old he was going to take you to the toy store, and he didn't care how much you ran up on the credit card, you'd be excited too.

  42. [42] 
    neilm wrote:

    POWER PERCEIVED IS POWER ACHIEVED

    Four legs good, two legs bad.

  43. [43] 
    michale wrote:

    The markets are reacting to the lowering of the corporate tax rate and the promise of a ballooning deficit from a surge in military and other spending.

    If you dad told a five year old he was going to take you to the toy store, and he didn't care how much you ran up on the credit card, you'd be excited too.

    So when ya'all were fear-mongering about the markets crashing if Trump got elected, ya'all KNEW you were full of shit?? :D

    China has already told us what they will do if Trump starts to mess around with tariffs. They will target our biggest exports to China:

    That would hurt China more than the US..

    China ain't going to do crap and we all know it...

    China needs the US a lot more than the US needs China...

    How fast do you think Trump will be onto a plane to Beijing to apologize? My guess, two weeks. Maybe three.

    I am going to start numbering ya'all's Trump predictions a'la ya'all's TRUMP IS TOAST predictions.. :D

  44. [44] 
    neilm wrote:

    So when ya'all were fear-mongering about the markets crashing if Trump got elected, ya'all KNEW you were full of shit?? :D

    Nobody expected the Republicans, who have been blocking deficit spending under a Democrat because it is a bad thing, so turn around so venally.

    From long experience with markets, they are very volatile.

    They say a week is a long time in politics. A millisecond is a long time in the markets. Take the flash crash of 2010 for example.

    One whiff of a trade war with China and the markets will go haywire. Currently they are reading Trump as a childish chest thumper who will pump up the rubes but be constrained by the adults. If Trump keeps to his promise of unpredictability, there will be a change in attitude. The market hate unpredictability.

    Also, in 1995 when congress have President Lee a visa to visit Cornell, it took about a month for the Chinese to respond ( see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Taiwan_Strait_Crisis).

    President Xi Jinping is very 'robust' and is working to impose his will on renegade institutions and provinces at the moment. Any sign of weakness, particularly to Trump, will be very detrimental to him. Plus the Chinese people don't like the U.S. very much - they see us as bullies (I've travelled there many times and have good friends who live there).

    The Chinese people have a far greater appetite for pain when it is to stand up to the Yankee bullies than the U.S. people have to believe Trump knows what he is doing.

    Trump needs to trot down to the border and start grandstanding about his wall. His Republican congress will give him all the money he wants so long as he gets out of Dodge and stops acting like the root'-ness, toot'-ness cowboy in the wild, wild west all over the economy and foreign policy.

  45. [45] 
    neilm wrote:

    China needs the US a lot more than the US needs China...

    Uh-huh. That is your prediction is it?

  46. [46] 
    neilm wrote:

    So a caller into PBS On-Point noticed a pattern with Trump. If this is a deliberate pattern and there is an incredibly intelligent outcome, I'll concede that Trump is not the buffoon I think he is.

    Trump has basically upset the diplomatic cart with three calls:
    1. Pakistan
    2. Nigel Farage
    3. Taiwan

    The three largest economies in the world are:

    1. India - who are mortal enemies of Pakistan
    2. EU - who hate Farage with a passion
    3. China - who hate it when somebody recognizes Taiwan

    The alternative, which I think is far more possible, is that Trump is blundering around and unwittingly has irritated all the major economies in the World for no good reason.

  47. [47] 
    michale wrote:

    One whiff of a trade war with China and the markets will go haywire. Currently they are reading Trump as a childish chest thumper who will pump up the rubes but be constrained by the adults. If Trump keeps to his promise of unpredictability, there will be a change in attitude. The market hate unpredictability.

    Another TRUMP IS TOAST type prediction.. :D

    The alternative, which I think is far more possible, is that Trump is blundering around and unwittingly has irritated all the major economies in the World for no good reason.

    And WHY do you think that is "far more possible"??

    Because you simply hate Trump and your Party ideology won't let you concede that he actually might be good for this country...

    If this is a deliberate pattern and there is an incredibly intelligent outcome, I'll concede that Trump is not the buffoon I think he is.

    Yea.. When monkees fly outta my arse.. :D

    Uh-huh. That is your prediction is it?

    No, it's a fact....

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  48. [48] 
    michale wrote:

    And, for the Anti-Trump crowd...

    US Steel wants to accelerate investments, bring back jobs, CEO says
    U.S. Steel CEO: All we've been looking for is fairness US Steel CEO: All we've been looking for is fairness
    15 Hours Ago | 04:56
    United States Steel would like to accelerate its investments and hire back laid-off employees now that Donald Trump will be occupying the Oval Office, CEO Mario Longhi told CNBC on Wednesday.

    "We already structured to do some things, but when you see in the near future improvement to the tax laws, improvements to regulation, those two things by themselves may be a significant driver to what we're going to do," he said in an interview with CNBC's "Power Lunch."

    In addition, the belief that the U.S. economy can grow at least 3.5 percent also adds to what the company can do, Longhi noted.

    "I'd be more than happy to bring back the employees we've been forced to lay off during that depressive period," he said, which could be close to 10,000 jobs.
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-steel-wants-to-accelerate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html

    And, I am certain that, since ya'all love this country as much as I do, ya'all will join me in saying CONGRATS President Trump... And THANK YOU!!...

    :D

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  49. [49] 
    michale wrote:

    Liberals and the environmental left have gone into a tizzy over the selection of Oklahoma attorney general Scott Pruitt as Donald Trump's pick to head of the Environmental Protection Agency.

    House minority leader Nancy Pelosi says the Pruitt nomination must be blocked "for the sake of the air we breathe, the water we drink, and the planet we will leave our children." New York AG Eric Schneiderman says Pruitt is a "dangerous and an unqualified choice." Independent socialist senator Bernie Sanders declares the Pruitt pick is not only dangerous but also "sad." The League of Conservation Voters calls Pruitt not just a global warming skeptic but "an outright climate denier."

    Whew! That's strong stuff. But what is Pruitt's actual offense? He has challenged the EPA's practice of going far beyond its authority to attack the energy industry and thus affect practically every industry in the country. The EPA needs a leash, and Pruitt and other state attorneys general have gone to court to attach it.
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/trumps-epa-pick-spooks-liberals-and-the-environmental-lobby/article/2005733

    President Trump will give Human Caused Global Warming it's all due consideration.. :D

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  50. [50] 
    michale wrote:

    Nobody expected the Republicans, who have been blocking deficit spending under a Democrat because it is a bad thing, so turn around so venally.

    Nobody expected the Republicans to act so venally???

    Oh com'on!!

    Tell me another fairy tale...

    That's ALL ya'all expect Republicans to act like...

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  51. [51] 
    michale wrote:

    “For all of my life the Democrats have been the party of the working guy, had my back. But if I am being really honest, and this is tough to admit, but I can’t remember the last time they did anything to improve the dignity and value of my job.”
    -Robert James, Democrat Who Voted Trump

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you an Irredeemable Deplorable...

    There is the Democratic Party's problem in a nutshell.. If you don't toe the Party line fully and completely, you don't exist..

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  52. [52] 
    michale wrote:

    Carrier Deal a Political Winner for Trump, Poll Shows

    Trump’s favorability rose across party lines: Four out of 10 Democrats said they now view Trump more favorably, as do 54 percent of independents. Even 32 percent of Hillary Clinton voters said the deal improved their view of Trump.
    https://morningconsult.com/2016/12/06/carrier-deal-political-winner-trump-poll-shows/

    But ya'all know better, right?? :D

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  53. [53] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    Why did president-elect Trump attack the union guy at Carrier for pointing out that Trump was not truthful in saying how many jobs would be saved?

  54. [54] 
    michale wrote:

    Why did president-elect Trump attack the union guy at Carrier for pointing out that Trump was not truthful in saying how many jobs would be saved?

    Where???

  55. [55] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    What do you mean, where?

  56. [56] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Where do you think? Twitter, of course.

    He said the union leader at Carrier is doing a terrible job but, he interestingly didn't refute the union leader's claim about the number of jobs being saved at Carrier.

    His tweet was an attack and nothing more of a fellow citizen, without any substance or meaning at all, other than to be, well, mean.

  57. [57] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    You really have to branch out in terms of where you get your current affairs news from ... or, I might have to start sending you regular news alerts. :)

  58. [58] 
    michale wrote:

    He said the union leader at Carrier is doing a terrible job but, he interestingly didn't refute the union leader's claim about the number of jobs being saved at Carrier.

    Well, considering that Donald Trump saved more jobs at Carrier than the Union Leader did, what EVER the number, I would have to agree with Trump...

    You really have to branch out in terms of where you get your current affairs news from ... or, I might have to start sending you regular news alerts. :)

    It's funny you should mention that.. I was thinking I should actually follow Trump's twits so I can see first hand what the Left is whining about...

    Lend a hand?? I don't know Twitter very well...

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  59. [59] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I know far less about twitter than you do, Michale. Sorry.

  60. [60] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Well, considering that Donald Trump saved more jobs at Carrier than the Union Leader did, what EVER the number, I would have to agree with Trump...

    The problem with this reasoning, Michale, is that neither you nor the president-elect knows anything at all about what this union leader has done for union members and, therefore, neither of you are in any position to cast aversion on his job as union leader.

    This is just one example of how the president-elect operates and his is going to have to change his ways if he hopes to be successful in his new endeavour.

  61. [61] 
    michale wrote:

    The problem with this reasoning, Michale, is that neither you nor the president-elect knows anything at all about what this union leader has done for union members and, therefore, neither of you are in any position to cast aversion on his job as union leader.

    I am not well-versed on Union bosses, I realize that..

    But I would think that the FIRST priority of a Union Boss is to make sure that the people who pay his salary have jobs...

    This is just one example of how the president-elect operates and his is going to have to change his ways if he hopes to be successful in his new endeavour.

    Actually, it's the other way around.. This is how Trump does things... THIS is how things get done... As we can obviously see..

    The US is not going to let special interests like Unions or China or anyone else dictate to the US as it has been for the last 8 years.....

    Now it's the US who is going to be dictating.. And the world will just have to learn that when the US says JUMP, the world says HOW HIGH?? on the way up.. :D

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  62. [62] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm afraid the world no longer works like that Michale, as you will soon discover.

  63. [63] 
    michale wrote:

    I'm afraid the world no longer works like that Michale, as you will soon discover.

    We don't know that for sure.. It's been 30+ years since anyone has tried it..

    Trump, however, is off to a great start..

    You watch.. I bet there is absolutely NO fallout from the Chinese over Trump's Taiwan call....

  64. [64] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    On the China file, and on the 'one China policy', as on a number of other issues, we will see just what kind of negotiator-president Trump will be ...

    That's why I'm not going to be commenting very much on what the president-elect is or is not doing, preferring to wait instead until he actually takes office.

  65. [65] 
    michale wrote:

    That's why I'm not going to be commenting very much on what the president-elect is or is not doing, preferring to wait instead until he actually takes office.

    Agreed..

    On the other hand, we DO have a fundraiser going.. :D

    Wanna talk about Captain America CIVIL WAR?? :D

    We watched STORKS last night. Pretty funny.. :D

    I am going to an advance screening of ROGUE ONE tomorrow night. :D

  66. [66] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Wanna talk about Captain America CIVIL WAR?? :D

    Damn! I knew there was something I forgot to put on my ever growing to-do list ...

    All the stress is causing me to be forgetful ... more than usual, I mean.

  67. [67] 
    michale wrote:

    :D hehehehehe

  68. [68] 
    michale wrote:

    Liz,

    The problem with this reasoning, Michale, is that neither you nor the president-elect knows anything at all about what this union leader has done for union members and, therefore, neither of you are in any position to cast aversion on his job as union leader.

    And yet, the Union leader attacked Trump first??

    If the Union leader hadn't started none, there wouldn't be none...

  69. [69] 
    michale wrote:

    Unions have served their purpose..

    Now they are part of the problem and not part of the solution...

    After 8 years of Trump, the union bosses are going to be pining for the days when they had 7% of the work force under their thumbs...

    The days of government kow-towing to union thug bosses are over...

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