Terrorism Is Terrorism
President Donald Trump today finally acknowledged the root cause of the horrific terrorist attack in Charlottesville last week. He specifically called out neo-Nazis and white supremacists for the evil they truly represent. This is all to his credit, although it did take him an unconscionably long time to make such a statement. But there was still one word missing from his statement: terrorism.
Driving a car into a crowd of people with murderous intent solely for what those people believe is indeed terrorism. There simply is no other label that fits. Terrorism is the threat or the use of force or violence to achieve political goals. That's what this was, plain and simple. Nobody has any problem with labelling a car or truck attack terrorism when it happens in Europe by a fanatical Muslim, and nobody should shy away from using the label right here in America -- no matter what the ideology or political goals behind such an attack are.
I wouldn't even soften the term by adding a qualifier. "Domestic terrorism" simply means terrorism without an international component, so the term does fit, but it seems somehow watered-down to me. "Domestic" as a word can either be neutral (a domestic airplane flight versus an international one) or positive (when referring to a home, as in domestic furnishings) or euphemistic with slightly negative overtones (calling a maid "a domestic" or "a domestic worker"). When used with terrorism, however, domestic seems to lessen the impact. And "terrorism" or "terrorist" should have the maximum impact possible. But that's really just a semantic quibble, I suppose.
Thankfully, the mainstream media seems to have had an epiphany in reaction to the Charlottesville attack. People from across the ideological spectrum are trying to shame President Trump into using the word terrorism to describe what happened in Virginia. Right-wing Republicans and lefty Democrats are both singing from the same songbook on this one, and it has forced the media to weigh in as well. This is pretty easy to do, since Donald Trump in particular has been such a strong proponent of using the term "radical Islamic terrorism." His whole point in this stance was not shying away from identifying terrorism for what it is. Which is why his continued refusal to use the term for what happened in Charlottesville is so noticeable.
I am pleased to see the media making this distinction, personally. I've been trying to shame them into using the terrorism label for a while now, in fact. Two months ago there was a terrorist attack on a baseball game, and I was astonished how few people in the media were calling it what it so plainly was -- a terrorist attack. Back then I wrote:
It does not matter what the gunman's views are. It does not matter if they are anti-abortion or religiously-motivated or act out of a misguided sense of partisanship. In the end, it's all terrorism. It doesn't matter whether the targets are doctors who perform abortions, or members of the U.S. military, or members of Congress. It's all terrorism.
The mainstream news media gets confused over this, but they really shouldn't. "Terrorism" is supposed to mean (by their definition, going on when they use the term) international terrorism, usually Muslim. Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization. So is the Islamic State. Lone-wolf terrorist attacks in America are usually also identified correctly, when Islam is the motivating factor. Sometimes the term "domestic terrorism" is used, but in different ways. But homegrown politically-motivated acts of violence somehow cause the media to shy away from the terrorism label for some inexplicable reason.
This is why I support the change in media attitude that seems to have happened over the past few days. Perhaps it was because the ideology was far right instead of on the left this time. Perhaps it was because ramming a vehicle into a crowd has international terrorism precedents (the truck attack in Nice, France, most notably). However, I would venture to guess that the media is more comfortable with the terrorism label this time around because some Republicans showed some real leadership in demanding a president of their own party use the word terrorism. The journalists can pose their questions simply by referring to a Republican senator's tweet, in other words, which makes it easier for them because they cannot be labelled biased by just reading these words and then asking: "Do you agree?"
Buried in today's news was a story of the F.B.I. arresting a man in Oklahoma who tried to detonate what he thought was a 1,000-pound bomb in front of a bank. That one is pretty easy to call terrorism, especially given the history of terrorism in Oklahoma City (Timothy McVeigh's truck bomb). But it is heartening to see the media applying the term terrorism to the horrific events in Charlottesville as well.
Terrorism is terrorism. Period. The methodology doesn't matter. Whether the terrorist's choice of weapon is a truck bomb, a gun, a knife, fists, or a speeding vehicle, it's all terrorism. The ideology doesn't matter, either. Whether the person is motivated by racial hatred, religious hatred, single-issue hatred, or naked partisan hatred is immaterial, because terrorism is terrorism no matter what the motivating factor happens to be. So I am heartened to see so many people from across the political spectrum plainly call the Charlottesville attack terrorism. There are really only two people left who need to do so, at this point. Attorney General Jeff Sessions so far has not indicated that domestic terrorism charges will be brought against the driver (and any accomplices he may have had), although he finally did announce a federal investigation into the attack. And President Donald Trump also needs to use the term as soon as possible to send a strong message as well. Terrorism is terrorism, and that message really needs to be unequivocal, from the president on down.
-- Chris Weigant
Cross-posted at The Huffington Post
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
Trump is slow to call out the alt-right's action as terrorism because they are acting how they believe he has instructed them to act. The alt-right refer to Trump on 4chan as "GEOTUS", which stands for "God Emperor of The United States". I'm sure Trump just eats that up!
From Bob Moser at the New Republic on the message Trump is sending by refusing to call out the Neo-Nazi's for what they are:
Trump was not merely equating Richard Spencer, David Duke, and Charlottesville’s resident fascist agitator Jason Kessler with anti–white supremacists like Heather Heyer. He wasn’t speaking of “gray areas.” He was endorsing domestic terrorism in the name of white supremacy, in the only vaguely passable way that a president could. The president went off-script and spoke from his gut when he blamed the violence on “many sides.” And his minions heard it for exactly what it was.
“There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all,” said a commenter on Daily Stormer, which bills itself as “The World’s Most Genocidal Website.” “He said he loves us all. Also refused to answer a question about white nationalists supporting him. No condemnation at all. When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.”
Your final words puzzled me. "President Donald Trump also needs to use the term as soon as possible to send a strong message as well."
Why does he "need" to do that?
To redeem himself? That would suggest a self-perception that he had erred, a perception he has shown himself incapable of.
To show that he's changed his entire mindset on this issue? That would be the mindset he's held for perhaps his whole adult life, and to which he ascribes his wealth and success (such as it is).
To show that he actually is like every other American president? That's something he's had hundreds of other chances to do so far, and has never done -- evidently because he believes he was elected exactly in order to be unlike every previous president.
When are we going to stop pretending that because we think he "needs" to change, the president is going to change? He's been the way he is, consistently, since many long decades before he ran in his first primary last year.
Hey CW and gang
Just as an FYI, here's an article up today on the BBC.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40930831
It's an establishment hit piece on the left... not on Antifa, but using Antifa.
A few excerpts-
"The social causes of Antifa (short for anti-fascist or Anti-Fascist action) are easily identifiable as left-leaning.
Most members oppose all forms of racism and sexism, and strongly oppose what they see as the nationalist, anti-immigration and anti-Muslim policies that Mr Trump has enacted.
However, as their name indicates, Antifa focuses more on fighting far-right ideology than encouraging pro-left policy."
"Antifa is anti-government and anti-capitalist, and their methodologies are often perceived as more closely aligned with anarchists than the mainstream left."
"Fox News commentator and conservative speaker Erick Erickson says in The Resurgent, a conservative blog, that "Antifa and the white supremacists are two sides of a common coin. The people dead in Charlottesville died because of one neo-Nazi, but there were dozen [sic] of people left bleeding in the streets because of Antifa"."
"While interest may have spiked since Mr Trump's election, it is all but impossible to quantify how many people are active members of Antifa"
"While Antifa has gained relatively little attention in the mainstream media, that may soon change."
""We are working with Black Lives Matter, local clergy, this is not a movement that wants to be a lone group of militants," he said."
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Got that?
They're anarchists who don't advocate for leftist policies, but are "easily identifiable as left-leaning"...
... even though anarchists oppose leftist government as much as right wing government.
They report they don't know how many members there are, but miraculously, they know what "most members" support and oppose.
They're being used by right wingers for false equivalence comparisons, even though the comparison isn't factual.
They're about to get more mainstream media coverage, says the media reporting falsehoods.
And, according to a militant, they're "working with clergy and BLM"... though not a single event or instance involving them, let alone confirmation from clergy or BLM is documented or even attempted.
This is not journalism.
It's propaganda.
Why?
The same reason why left-leaning sites are being censored by Google for fake news originating from the right.
Is everybody here aware of Cointelpro?
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[2] Exactly.
This genie can't bet stuffed back in the bottle. And no one believes him anyway because we all know he's lying. He's a white supremacist himself and is rapidly reaching the point where only other white supremacist/nazis support him.
His "presidency" is over. He'll still be there for awhile but his presidency is over. At this point its unsalvageable. It's now a matter of how ugly the process of getting rid of him is going to get and how many people are going to be hurt or killed. This weekend was his Katrina, only, as will all things Blotus, turned up to 11.
Nobody knew that electing a functionally illiterate, self-absorbed, Russian money laundering xenophobe in orange kkklown make-up would result in a shocking wave of radical MAGA terrism. It's very discouraging that the POTUS troll refuses to speak the name of this evil. RADICAL MAGA TERRISM.
COINTELPRO
Just in case anybody has forgotten or never learned about it.
Similar infiltration of Occupy Wall Street occurred in case anybody is unaware or thinks such tactics ended long ago.
Over 1000 activist organizations in the UK were similarly targeted up to the present... see the Pitchford Inquiry.
From Wikipedia
"COINTELPRO (a portmanteau derived from COunter INTELligence PROgram) was a series of covert, and often illegal,[1][2] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.[3]
FBI records show that COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed subversive,[4] including anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists of the Civil Rights Movement or Black Power movement (e.g., Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Black Panther Party), feminist organizations, independence movements (such as Puerto Rican independence groups like the Young Lords), and a variety of organizations that were part of the broader New Left. White supremacist groups, such as the Ku Klux Klan, were also targeted.[citation needed]
FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover issued directives governing COINTELPRO, ordering FBI agents to "expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, neutralize or otherwise eliminate" the activities of these movements and especially their leaders.[5][6] Under Hoover, the agent in charge of COINTELPRO was William C. Sullivan.[7] Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy personally authorized some of the programs.[8] Although Kennedy only gave written approval for limited wiretapping of Martin Luther King's phones "on a trial basis, for a month or so",[9] Hoover extended the clearance so his men were "unshackled" to look for evidence in any areas of King's life they deemed worthy."
From the Church committee-
"The Final Report of the Select Committee castigated the conduct of the intelligence community in its domestic operations (including COINTELPRO) in no uncertain terms:
The Committee finds that the domestic activities of the intelligence community at times violated specific statutory prohibitions and infringed the constitutional rights of American citizens. The legal questions involved in intelligence programs were often not considered. On other occasions, they were intentionally disregarded in the belief that because the programs served the "national security" the law did not apply. While intelligence officers on occasion failed to disclose to their superiors programs which were illegal or of questionable legality, the Committee finds that the most serious breaches of duty were those of senior officials, who were responsible for controlling intelligence activities and generally failed to assure compliance with the law.[1] Many of the techniques used would be intolerable in a democratic society even if all of the targets had been involved in violent activity, but COINTELPRO went far beyond that ... the Bureau conducted a sophisticated vigilante operation aimed squarely at preventing the exercise of First Amendment rights of speech and association, on the theory that preventing the growth of dangerous groups and the propagation of dangerous ideas would protect the national security and deter violence."
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The whole entry is worth reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Just FYI for context... including on the topic of terrorism.
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Driving a car into a crowd of people with murderous intent solely for what those people believe is indeed terrorism.
Of course, this is true.
But, what happened in Charlottesville goes much deeper and darker than that.
What about the sheer terror felt by many Americans as they witnessed the KKK gathering at the Lee statue under only the cover of darkness save their lighted torches, spewing their ugly racist slogans.
This is the terror(ism) that President Trump should have no compunction addressing and condemning and unambiguously disassociating himself from. And, yet, he apparently cannot do that.
Spot on CW
It would probably be worth a write-up in and of it's self... I have to wonder just how much impact the structure of today's information/media cycle have altered how we view terrorist acts and the root causes behind them and how the media cycle shapes how they are discussed.
All of the current vitriol surrounding the "violent left" and the "violent right" and the hypocrisy of each side in racing to the bottom to snipe at each other to prove who is right, has done nothing to actually promote healthy discussion of the issues giving rise to the actions taken.
When the current media wash rinses and repeats the facts on hand before they are even verified it has a very controlling influence on how people in turn digest the information presented and how subsequent conclusions are formed. When one does not have time to think but is rather force fed information it leads them down the road to ignoring the problems that caused it and forces the emotional argument to take over.
Which at times causes my lizard paranoid brain to react, not surprising, since the controls on media ownership have been eroded steadily since Reagan, by both sides, thus giving rise a lack of competitive independent media.
The lack of truly independent media can only be bad for our country as a whole and only enables both the right and the left to consume information in their own custom built " safe space".
Huh?
On a more darkly humorous note....
I have to use my " I'm having a discordant moment" chuckle whenever I look at the pictures of white supremacists marching holding patio Tiki Torches made in China....
Yup. Nothing says "white supremacy is best" like marching with Tiki Torches made in China, by non-whites; sold to white supremacists by home depot, Lowes or Dollar General all of which employ non-whites.
At least ANTIFA makes their own urine and poop bombs ( which by the way crosses lines and they as well need to be charged with terrorism charges, just like Black Block and, Bundy gang, alt right groups...). whatever happened to good ole' homemade torch building skills.
whelp... outta here again for a couple of more months... have fun.
This is all to his credit, although it did take him an unconscionably long time to make such a statement.
Oh please.. Obama refused to say ISLAMIC TERRORISM his entire time in office..
Driving a car into a crowd of people with murderous intent solely for what those people believe is indeed terrorism.
If that is what indeed happened...
As I mentioned, there are reports that the vehicle plowed into that group after someone from that group threw a rock at the car and broke the windshield...
If this is true, then a case can be made for this being NOT an act of terrorism and NOT even a hate crime..
Terrorism is the threat or the use of force or violence to achieve political goals.
If that's the definition you want to use, then why didn't ya'all condemn the Berkeley riots as terrorism??
Why didn't you condemn AntiFa when the forced Portland to cancel the Rose Parade as terrorism???
Why didn't you condemn all the ONLY Black Lives Matter riots as terrorism??
I am pleased to see the media making this distinction, personally. I've been trying to shame them into using the terrorism label for a while now, in fact. Two months ago there was a terrorist attack on a baseball game, and I was astonished how few people in the media were calling it what it so plainly was -- a terrorist attack.
Yes you did and YOU were the only one who did...
But the rest of Weigantians and the entirety of the Left Wingery and it's media representatives refuse to condemn the Left for violence and attacks such as this..
Terrorism is terrorism. Period. The methodology doesn't matter. Whether the terrorist's choice of weapon is a truck bomb, a gun, a knife, fists, or a speeding vehicle, it's all terrorism. The ideology doesn't matter, either. Whether the person is motivated by racial hatred, religious hatred, single-issue hatred, or naked partisan hatred is immaterial, because terrorism is terrorism no matter what the motivating factor happens to be.
Exactly!!
I couldn't have said it better myself..
So I look forward to ya'all calling the Left Wingery's violence and attacks against Trump supporters exactly what it is..
Terrorism...
His "presidency" is over. He'll still be there for awhile but his presidency is over.
TRUMP IS TOAST PREDICTION #11,876
I wish I had a nickel for every time ya'all said, "That's it!! It's over!! Trump is toast!!!"
I would be a very rich man... :D
This is the terror(ism) that President Trump should have no compunction addressing and condemning and unambiguously disassociating himself from. And, yet, he apparently cannot do that.
Just as Odumbo couldn't address ISLAMIC Terrorism. Couldn't condemn ISLAMIC Terrorism...
What's your point???
GT,
All of the current vitriol surrounding the "violent left" and the "violent right" and the hypocrisy of each side in racing to the bottom to snipe at each other to prove who is right, has done nothing to actually promote healthy discussion of the issues giving rise to the actions taken.
Maybe if the NOT violent Left and NOT violent Right would lead by example and condemn the LITTLE violence that occurs, things would not get so out of control..
The lack of truly independent media can only be bad for our country as a whole and only enables both the right and the left to consume information in their own custom built " safe space".
Well said.. VERY well said indeed..
I salute you, sir! :D
Trump is slow to call out the alt-right's action as terrorism because they are acting how they believe he has instructed them to act.
So, what you are saying is that SILENCE GIVES ASSENT
That by remaining silent on the point, President Trump agrees with them..
I knew that eventually ya'all would come around to my way of thinking...
That silence does, indeed, give assent... :D
JMC,
When are we going to stop pretending that because we think he "needs" to change, the president is going to change? He's been the way he is, consistently, since many long decades before he ran in his first primary last year.
Another VERY well articulated comment..
And another salute.. :D
People need to understand that we have NEVER had another President like Donald Trump..
At every turn, people were telling Trump to do this, do that, DON'T DO THAT!!! and Trump went his own way and beat 19 of the most qualified, best funded politicians that any campaign has ever seen.
President Trump ignored all the doomsayers and soothsayers and DEVASTATED the biggest, meanest, richest and most experienced candidate in the HISTORY of candidates...
One would think that, what with being wrong time after time after time after time, all the doomsayers and soothsayers would have a little humility... :D
I'm just sayin'... As an expert on humility.. :D heh
And let's face reality here people..
Charlottesville would not have been NEARLY as bad if LEOs had not been given the order to stand down by a Democrat governor..
Apparently said scumbag governor saw the political value of letting Right Wing scumbags tear into Left Wing scumbags in time for the evening news...
And it's funny that NO ONE here has condemned the Left Wing AntiFa scumbag who assaulted and attacked a news reporter...
"Gee, I wonder why that is!!"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR
Why?
The same reason why left-leaning sites are being censored by Google for fake news originating from the right.
Ya might want to tighten up that tin-foil hat of yers, my friend!!
You don't want the government Gamma-Ray satellites to be able to seep into yer brain!!! :D
http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2017/08/unite_the_right_rally_9_gi.jpg?itok=pLnN1Pzb
Ahhh yes... This is your "peaceful" and "tolerant" Left Wing protesters in Charlottesville...
Which at times causes my lizard paranoid brain to react, not surprising, since the controls on media ownership have been eroded steadily since Reagan, by both sides, thus giving rise a lack of competitive independent media.
Huh?
He said he had a lizard paranoid brain... :D
But it is heartening to see the media applying the term terrorism to the horrific events in Charlottesville as well.
When you consider that the Leftist MSM refuses to apply the term to LEFT Wing terrorism??
Not so much....
As you so aptly showed with the Democrat James Hodgkison shooting...
Looks like the Mayor of Lexington, KY and others got the message from the Charlottesville terrorists:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-kentucky.html
Pulling down these terrorist symbols sends the message that we aren't going to look the other way any longer.
I have always wondered why Dumbocrats are so adamant about getting rid of all the Confederate monuments and statues...
Then it hit me..
Dumbocrats are trying to wash away the vestiges of THEIR OWN history...
They think if they get rid of all the markers and monuments, it will assuage the guilt they feel for being the Party of the KKK...
Sorry ta tell you this, Dumbocrats..
But the history of the Dumbocrat Party and the history of the KKK are inexorably linked for all of eternity...
You can wash away the reminders, but you will never alter the facts..
Thanx to the Dumbocrat Party, we have the KKK and we have racism...
We must be telepathetically connected Neil... I posted my comment totally unawares of your comment.. :D
But, you have a minor discrepancy....
Pulling down these terrorist symbols sends the message that we aren't going to look the other way any longer.
Pulling down these terrorist DEMOCRAT PARTY symbols sends the message that we aren't going to look the other way any longer.
There... Fixed it for you...
:D
"I'd like to punch him in the face."
- Donald Trump, Feb 2016
"Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees."
- Donald Trump, Mar 2016
"Maybe he should have been roughed up."
- Donald Trump, Nov 2015
"I'll beat the crap out of you."
- Donald Trump, Mar 2016
"Part of the problem is no one wants to hurt each other anymore."
- Donald Trump, Mar 2016
"If you do [hurt him], I'll defend you in court, don't worry about it."
- Donald Trump, Mar 2016
"The audience hit back. That's what we need a little bit more of."
- Donald Trump, Mar 2016
"I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself or if other people will."
- Donald Trump, Aug 2015
"The president in no way, form or fashion has ever encouraged any form of violence."
- Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Aug 2017
But, you have a minor discrepancy....
"There is no discrepancy on Lt Riker's uniform. There never is."
-Officer Terry Webster, THE ROOKIES
:D
"When they bring a knife to a fight, we'll bring a gun."
“If the shooter has a serious health condition then is taking potshots at the GOP leadership considered self defense?”
“If KKK support Steve Scalise dies, the shooter deserves a holiday, true leadership. Now the trumps, kush, & miller need to be transitioned.”
"Michele (Bachmann), slit your wrist. Go ahead... or, do us all a better thing [sic]. Move that knife up about two feet. Start right at the collarbone."
"That Scott down there that's running for governor of Florida. Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him. He stole billions of dollars from the United States government and he's running for governor of Florida. He's a millionaire and a billionaire. He's no hero. He's a damn crook. It's just we don't prosecute big crooks."
“Cheney deserves same final end he gave Saddam. Hope there are cell cams.”
“I hope Roger Ailes dies slow, painful, and soon. The evil that man has done to the American tapestry is unprecedented for an individual.”
I can provide many many MANY more quotes from Left Wingers...
So, what's yer point, Neil??
If yer trying to make the case that the Right is more violent than the Left..
You will lose...
“Dear god. Please use Ebola to infect the @NRA and it's various members. For they are A true virus and true terrorists in America.”
-Democrat Mike Dickinson
“Daniel Pearl's story is reminder that individual accountability & reconciliation are required to break cycles of violence.”
-Democrat Samantha Powers
"Democrats Have to Fight in the Streets Against Trump"
-Democrat Tim Kaine
Need more??? :D
And quietly working in the background to protect our democracy, ignoring all the distractions from 45 and the alt-right, Robert Mueller turns over some more stones and pretty ugly things crawl out:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html
And 45's fan boys, using the McCarthy playbook, will attack the media instead of accepting the facts ...
And 45's fan boys, using the McCarthy playbook, will attack the media instead of accepting the facts ...
You mean, instead of accepting the Partisan Driven Leaks....
Robert Mueller turns over some more stones and pretty ugly things crawl out:
Setting up Russia meetings are "ugly things"??
Well, except when Dumbocrats do it, right?? :D
And 45's fan boys, using the McCarthy playbook, will attack the media instead of accepting the facts ...
You mean, instead of accepting the Partisan Driven Leaks....
Exactly like that :) Thanks for participating ;)
For example..
NO ONE here had a problem with Russia when Odumbo promised to be "flexible" if Putin would help Odumbo win the 2012 election...
That's ya'all's problem.. All of your "truths" are SOLELY based on Party zealotry...
Complete silence on the right calling out Jerry Drake Varnell as a terrorist.
Can you imagine if his name contained "Hussein" or "Mohammed"?
Complete silence on the right calling out Jerry Drake Varnell as a terrorist.
Just like there was complete silence on the Left calling out AntiFas and ONLY Black Lives Matter riots as terrorism...
You can't win on this point, Neil... There are way WAY too many facts stacked against ya... :D
But I still would sit down with ya over a beer or 10 :D
Just as there is COMPLETE silence on the Left on condemning the racism that pervaded Netroots Nation..
Just as there was silence on the Left (sans CW) condemning Democrat James Hodgkison's terrorism...
Exactly like that :) Thanks for participating ;)
I am ALWAYS happy to bring FACTS to ya'all's "Truth"s :D
Don,
Citizens have a responsibility to inform themselves and discern between the various forms and points of media. This takes a bit of effort but, there is no good reason to be ignorant in this day and age.
In other words, don't blame it all on a largely dysfunctional media/punditocracy/blogosphere ...
Don,
Don't forget.. We don't allow generic I CONDEMN ALL VIOLENCE.. You have to be specific and condemn each group and each act of violence with specificity and details... And you MUST condemn these acts with specificity and details within 30 minutes of the act.. And continue to condemn the acts every hour on the hour for 1 week...
Of course, these restrictions *ONLY* apply to those who DON'T have a '-D' after their names..
If yer a Lefty, you aren't required to condemn ANY acts of violence committed by fellow Left Wingers...
DH-41
"Silence gives assent"
Not in the US legal system.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s156.htm
"Silence gives assent"
Not in the US legal system.
But it DOES in Weigantia... :D
As evidenced by ya'all's complaints when Right Wingers don't condemn what ya'all THINK they should condemn in the manner ya'all THINK it should be condemned and within the time frame ya'all THINK it should be condemned......
"Silence
"Silence gives assent"
True enough in Sharia Law.
http://inthenameofallah.org/silence%20is%20consent.html
Who around here is advocating Sharia?
"Silence gives assent"
A rough equivalent can be found in Talmud...but like many things Talmud, the implications are more nuanced when applied outside of marriage contracts. Another broader interpretation is that an individual has a duty to speak up in the face of injustice.
http://www.neshamah.net/2005/05/silence-implies-consent.html
Blotus retweeted a graphic of a train running over a CNN reporter. It's been taken down.
The "president" retweeted a graphic of a train running over a reporter. Retweeted a tweet by a Nazi "suppporter".
Say, Kelly, doing a great job of managing the WH monster.
Nails: meet coffin.
[35] Yep.
Let's just condemn each individual act on their own merits and not concern ourselves with the tit for tat nonsense no matter what others do.
Rise above.
I whole-heartedly support that idea...
Unfortunately, as we saw with OBLM and Berkeley riots and such, not many others here support that approach..
"Two wrongs don't make a right."
"Four lefts!??? Four lefts is a circle, you idiot!!!"
-Nicholas Cage, TRAPPED IN PARADISE
:D
While there may be no excuse to be ignorant the media sure makes a concerted effort to keep people ignorant.
That just has not been my experience, Don.
Reliable information is out there and I believe I have enough critical thinking skills to filter out the nonsense.
But, of course, I have been one of the loudest commenters over the last many years in condemning the incompetent and dysfunctional media culture in America and my particular beef has always been the asinine storyline on Senator Biden which has been the bane of my existence!!! Seriously.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-retweets-cartoon-of-train-killing-cnn-reporter
http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/08/justice-department-fishing-for-protesters-browsing-details.html
Blotus/Sessions want to go after the women at the Women's March in January.
Blotus retweeted a graphic of a train running over a CNN reporter. It's been taken down.
The "president" retweeted a graphic of a train running over a reporter. Retweeted a tweet by a Nazi "suppporter".
Say, Kelly, doing a great job of managing the WH monster.
Nails: meet coffin.
Once again... This is exactly why it's impossible to take ya'all seriously..
Hysterical and irrational comments like these simply do not lend to logical and rational discussions..
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/daily-stormer-website-sending-nazis-to-harass-funeral-of-woman-allegedly-killed-by-white-supremacist-in-charlottesville/
First a guy drives over her. Then his pals call her names online. Now they want to harass her funeral.
Trumpers. Nazis. Snowflakes with guns.
"White House official said...the tweet of the train was posted inadvertently & was deleted as soon as it was noticed." twitter.com/GlennThrush/st…
So Blotus doesn't understand retweeting? Or didn't understand what it meant? Or just accidentally hit the "tweet" button?
Or tweeted it because he liked it and approved it and Kelly came along and gave him a smack?
"Bad Blotus! This kind of tweeting makes you look unpresidential! Bad Blotus! No tweeting privileges for an hour!"
First a guy drives over her. Then his pals call her names online. Now they want to harass her funeral.
As opposed to you who said Scalise deserved to be shot??
Pot... Kettle... Black...
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/14/holocaust-memorial-boston-damaged-for-second-time-this-summer/ujYan70j3kXzFWS3TGcZ0J/story.html?event=event25
Trumpers.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-democratic-donor-overdose-20170814-story.html
Dumbocrats :^/
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/14/holocaust-memorial-boston-damaged-for-second-time-this-summer/ujYan70j3kXzFWS3TGcZ0J/story.html?event=event25
Trumpers.
Actually, those were Left Wing AntiFa assholes..
This reminds me of the time you claimed the Left Wing Bernie Bro who was attacking muslim women and sliced the throats of a couple of good samaritans was a Trump supporter...
I gotta give ya credit, Paula..
When yer hysterically wrong, you don't mess around!! :D
WATCH: This Video Shows Violence From Antifa In Charlottesville
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19685/watch-video-shows-violence-antifa-charlottesville-robert-kraychik#
Dumbocrats..... :^/
A year later, Dallas mourns 5 officers killed in sniper attack
http://abcnews.go.com/US/year-dallas-mourns-officers-killed-sniper-attack/story?id=48469900
Dumbocrats..... :^/
'It's time to destroy Trump & Co.': Scalise shooter raged on Facebook
ALEXANDRIA, Va. — The 66-year-old Illinois man who opened fire early Wednesday on members of Congress practicing for a charity baseball game had raged against President Trump and once singled out House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, who was wounded in the attack.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/14/illinois-suspect-va-shooting-raged-against-trump-republicans/102846780/
Dumbocrats..... :^/
"I can do this all day..."
-Captain America
M:[31]
“Daniel Pearl's story is reminder that individual accountability & reconciliation are required to break cycles of violence.”
-Democrat Samantha Powers
"Democrats Have to Fight in the Streets Against Trump"
-Democrat Tim Kaine
Neither of these quotes, taken in context, support violence (Powers was discussing a journalist murdered by Pakistani terrorists, Kaine was talking about marching, not hitting people with clubs).
The false equivalence argument making the rounds on the right would have us believe that, because a few radical leftist groups exist, the left has no standing to insult the KKK, the American Nazi Party, or the Aryan Nation groups that attended the Charlottesville rally. Such nonsense can't even be attacked as 'logical fallacy', because there's nothing logical about it - it's just boldfaced deflection in defense of the GOTUS.
The far better response came from Republican Orrin Hatch yesterday -
We should call evil by its name. My brother didn't give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home.
Neither of these quotes, taken in context, support violence (Powers was discussing a journalist murdered by Pakistani terrorists, Kaine was talking about marching, not hitting people with clubs).
Then why didn't Kaine say MARCHING...
He said FIGHT IN THE STREETS because Dumbocrats are inherently violent..
You can spin all you want. But Kaine's words are perfectly clear...
The far better response came from Republican Orrin Hatch yesterday -
Funny how you demonize and castigate Republicans on a daily, sometimes HOURLY basis..
UNLESS they are saying what you want to hear..
It's called HYPOCRISY...
Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, blacks and organized labor. The civil rights movement of the 1960s also saw a surge of Ku Klux Klan activity, including bombings of black schools and churches and violence against black and white activists in the South.
http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan
Dumbocrats... :^/
You can spin all you want, but the FACTS and the equivalency is perfectly obvious to anyone not enslaved by Party ideology...
ONLY Black Lives Matter and AntiFa are terrorist groups as well... And their violence is absolutely NO DIFFERENT then the violence of the Right Wing terrorist groups...
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain 'Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
Trump's initial reaction to the Charlottesville incident (everybody is to blame) has spawned a lot of golf themed comments, along the lines of "shanked it" and "blew a one inch putt".
Sensing a PR disaster, Trump's handlers wrote a nice 4 minute reset speech which Trump delivered well, slowly, in complete sentences and even assigned blamed American Nazis etc. Then he walked away from the podium and teleprompter.
Seconds later he effectively walked back into his old persona when he sullenly responded to attempted questions posed from the press gallery with a "fake news" laced tirade. In short, a four minute reform.
The walk back continued today with a series of red meat retweets of cable news, many of which have already been deleted from the official Trump account.
The dog whistle is back, in fact it never left. You can't reform Trump - and the Docker Nazis are still hearing his high pitched whine and are smiling broadly.
I don't trust Session's newly hatched promises either, but prove me wrong Jeff.
Trump's initial reaction to the Charlottesville incident (everybody is to blame)
Of course, Dumbocrats dispute that.. ONLY Republicans and Trump are to blame..
Dumbocrats are as pure as the driven snow..
Of course, AntiFa terrorists are attacking and assaulting reporters...
But Dumbocrats ignore that... :^/
So typical....
[71] TheStig: Yep.
[67] He said FIGHT IN THE STREETS because Dumbocrats are inherently violent..
Bwahahahahahah! So, first, Democrats were 'snowflakes', now they're storm troopers?
Kaine was, I think, referring to the "Women's March" earlier this year, which, despite having more attendees than Trump's inauguration, was completely peaceful.
[69] Funny how you demonize and castigate Republicans...UNLESS they are saying what you want to hear..
Yep. That's how politics works, Michale. If you post something that I agree with, I will say so. The hypocritical thing to do would be to refuse to acknowledge agreement where it clearly exists.
Michale [65]
You do a great job of deflecting from the issue, that's for sure. I finally see that you are only interested in attacking the character of people on here to avoid having to defend Trump and the GOP's actions. I'm a little slow, I admit that, but I actually thought that you could be reasoned with; but I accept now that that is not the case. You don't actually believe what you post, you just do it to troll.
So let me post, "I condemn all violence and acts of hatred." Boom! Now your 30+ posts mean nothing. Thanks for playing!
Bwahahahahahah! So, first, Democrats were 'snowflakes', now they're storm troopers?
We could ask the 5 cops in Dallas??
Oh no, we can't.. They're dead...
Kaine was, I think, referring to the "Women's March" earlier this year, which, despite having more attendees than Trump's inauguration, was completely peaceful.
Kaine said "FIGHT IN THE STREETS"...
All you have is spin..
NO FACTS.. Just spin..
Russ,
You do a great job of deflecting from the issue, that's for sure.
Yea.. You ALWAYS call the FACTS "deflecting" when they are inconvenient to your Party slavery..
I finally see that you are only interested in attacking the character of people on here to avoid having to defend Trump and the GOP's actions.
Not so.. I am simply wondering why ya'all ignore the violence of the Left...
So let me post, "I condemn all violence and acts of hatred." Boom! Now your 30+ posts mean nothing. Thanks for playing!
@russ,
yeah, donald needs to realize that generalities aren't enough. it's not enough to condemn bigotry in general; when a large group of nazis and klan think you support them and their agendas, you need to be explicit that you oppose them and everything they stand for.
-nypoet, http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/11/netroots-energized-and-looking-forward/#comment-107566
Funny how "generalities" are perfectly acceptable when ya'all are forced to justify and support Left Wing violence...
Hypocrisy much??
MUCH too much...
Bwahahahahahah! So, first, Democrats were 'snowflakes', now they're storm troopers?
We could ask the 5 cops in Dallas??
Oh no, we can't.. They're dead..
Killed by a Dumbocrat....
Kaine said "FIGHT IN THE STREETS"...
So did "The Who", but neither was advocating violence.
So I suppose metaphor is the first victim of this sort of exchange.
We could ask the 5 cops in Dallas?
Who died defending the peaceful protesters they were tasked to watch. There were several pictures from that night of protesters and cops getting along very well together.
You shouldn't dishonor those cops by turning that event into something it wasn't.
[75] Listen! It takes awhile. I wasted a lot of time trying to "reason" with our resident Trumper. I think its a positive statement about people -- we always hope someone is reachable.
But some people aren't.
Life experience may cause some of them to adjust their views, but our arguments won't.
The blocking script helps!
You shouldn't dishonor those cops by turning that event into something it wasn't.
You mean, it WASN'T an FUCK THE COPS rally???
Like I said.. You have NO FACTS to support your position..
Life experience may cause some of them to adjust their views, but our arguments won't.
Not when your arguments are made up of NOTHING but hysterical Party slavery...
The blocking script helps!
Yep... It helps the poor little snowflakes to maintain their sanity... :D
There were several pictures from that night of protesters and cops getting along very well together.
Yea, those same scumbags who would spit on cops ran to cops for protection...
Here's your cite, M.:
Dallas police stood with protesters before, after shooting
You shouldn't dishonor those cops by turning that event into something it wasn't.
You have the nerve to talk about dishonoring cops when you support the scumbags who KILL cops!???
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/goldberg-conservatives-sold-out-to-racism-in-order-to-win/
The real threat to traditional conservatism is the mind-set that made it possible to form even a theoretical alliance with the alt-right in the first place: the idea that winning and fighting are self-justifying….During the campaign, when Trump attacked the ethnicity of an American judge or the parents of a fallen Muslim U.S. soldier, the response from his defenders on the right was usually “at least he fights!” Such amorality was warranted, many explained, because if Clinton had won, America would be “over.”
….I’d point out that such thinking could invite the worst and most opportunistic creatures to infiltrate the movement. Except they already have.
Jonah Goldberg facing the truth. Good for him.
Tipping point.
Balthy,
Yea, so you have one cite from a Left Wing rag...
Doesn't change the fact that OBLM scumbags gunned down cops and YOU support OBLM....
Yer backing the wrong side, M. It was the extremist Right that drew down on cops at the Bundy Ranch. It was the extremist Right that stood off against the cops at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
BLM only wants cops to stop shooting unarmed black men. That's the opposite of violent intent.
See what hoops Trump makes you jump through? Renounce your support for this malevolent poser.
You have the nerve to talk about dishonoring cops when you support the scumbags who KILL cops!
But I don't support the scumbags who kill cops. Never did. You, on the other hand, are supporting scumbags who draw weapons against cops.
Yer backing the wrong side, M.
Says the guy who backs groups that kill cops..
BLM only wants cops to stop shooting unarmed black men. That's the opposite of violent intent.
Yea, that's their claim.. Yet, their assaults on people, their destruction of property, their brutal ambush murders of police officers?? All point to a different agenda..
Jonah Goldberg facing the truth. Good for him.
Tipping point.
Mother Jones
BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
But I don't support the scumbags who kill cops. Never did.
Yes, you do...
The scumbags who killed the cops were OBLM members..
OBLM is on record as saying "WHAT DO WE WANT!!!??? DEAD COPS!!! WHEN DO WE WANT THEM!!! NOW!!!!"
You support OBLM...
Ergo, you support cop-killers...
Be proud... :^/
Yea, so you have one cite from a Left Wing rag...
The San Diego Union-Tribune is a 'left wing rag'?
You didn't even look at the link, did you? Just spit out your standard knee-jerk response.
BLM only wants cops to stop shooting unarmed black men.
Cops want unarmed black men to quit attacking cops and obey lawful orders...
When that happens, cops won't shoot unarmed black men..
DUUUUHHHHHHHHHH
The San Diego Union-Tribune is a 'left wing rag'?
You didn't even look at the link, did you? Just spit out your standard knee-jerk response.
Actually, I did.. San Diego is my hometown.. Born and raised..
And I KNOW for a fact that the UnionTribune is a Left Wing rag....
Actually, I did.. San Diego is my hometown.. Born and raised..
San Diego SO... San Ysidro & Otay Mesa patrol zones...
Paula,
Thanks, It is frustrating to think someone can be reasoned with only to realize that they don't actually believe what they are saying.
The scumbags who killed the cops were OBLM members..
No, the scumbag (singular) who killed the cops in Dallas was not a BLM supporter - the rally/march that he opposed was a BLM event.
That scumbag was a racist who supported the New Black Panther Party (NBPP), Nation of Islam, and Black Riders Liberation Army, three Black Nationalist groups which are listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups.
The SPLC does not list BLM as a hate group.
Do I have to do ALL of the research for you?
No, the scumbag (singular) who killed the cops in Dallas was not a BLM supporter - the rally/march that he opposed was a BLM event.
Once again, your facts are wrong..
The scumbag in Dallas was a OBLM member..
The scumbag in Baton Rouge was a OBLM member..
The SPLC does not list BLM as a hate group.
The SPLC is a known Left Wing group and doesn't include Left Wing groups as Hate Groups unless they simply have no other choice...
Do I have to do ALL of the research for you?
What you call "research" is nothing more than checking the Left Wing rags for talking points..
Thanks, It is frustrating to think someone can be reasoned with only to realize that they don't actually believe what they are saying.
Ya know what's MORE than frustrating?? Ya know what's scary??
That you and practically everyone else here actually supports groups that kill cops....
I guess you bleed Democrat Blue, not Cop Blue...
THAT is disappointing...
Once again, your facts are wrong..
The scumbag in Dallas was a OBLM member..
The scumbag in Baton Rouge was a OBLM member..
Hence.. SCUMBAGS...
[97] Listen: I know exactly how you feel.
Cops want unarmed black men to quit attacking cops
Verbally, or just with their bare hands?
and obey lawful orders...
Under penalty of death?
Look, there's no need to shoot cops who are too dense to understand simple constitutional rights. There are plenty of good cops who want to see them fired and replaced by better people. I'm with them.
Verbally, or just with their bare hands?
What do you think???
Look, there's no need to shoot cops who are too dense to understand simple constitutional rights.
Then reign in your scumbag cop-killers..
There are plenty of good cops who want to see them fired and replaced by better people. I'm with them.
Yea?? And yet, you support Dumbocrat Left Wing groups who would kill THOSE cops too...
For all you know, ALL five of the cops in Dallas and ALL three of the cops in Baton Rouge were EXACTLY those kinds of cops... The kinds of cops you CLAIM to support..
And yer OBLM Dumbocrats gunned them down.. And YOU support that group...
By the way, M, the acronym for Black Lives Matter is "BLM", not "OBLM", which is the acronym for "Object based learning model".
Paula 80, LWYH -75
All it takes to be a practicing comment section troll are:
1) About 12 simple rules of sophistry, easily found on the Web.
2) A love of endless circular argument
3) Plenty of Free Time, no Shame
4) An audience willing to play a pointless game
Four is the most important. Not all potential battles are worth fighting. Breaking the cycle can provide an almost Zen like peace of mind...at least it did for me. The blocking software just cuts down scrolling distances :)
By the way, M, the acronym for Black Lives Matter is "BLM", not "OBLM", which is the acronym for "Object based learning model".
No, it's OBLM..
ONLY Black Lives Matter
That's what those scumbag racists believe..
All it takes to be a practicing comment section troll are:
1) About 12 simple rules of sophistry, easily found on the Web.
2) A love of endless circular argument
3) Plenty of Free Time, no Shame
4) An audience willing to play a pointless game
Four is the most important. Not all potential battles are worth fighting. Breaking the cycle can provide an almost Zen like peace of mind...at least it did for me. The blocking software just cuts down scrolling distances :)
Ya know, TS?? For someone who delights in telling people how much you ignore me.... You sure TALK about me an awful lot.. :D
By the way, M, the acronym for Black Lives Matter is "BLM",
No.. BLM is Bureau of Land Management...
The blocking script helps!
And when CW updates Wordpress, ya'all are going to be SOOO lost and helpless...
BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ya'all will actually have to rely on yer own self-control..
Of which ya'all admit ya have none.. :D
I love it how ya'all have to use a crutch because you can't handle facts and reality... :D
ONLY Black Lives Matter
That's what those scumbag racists believe..
I hope you're cozy in that artificial world you're creating for yourself - no wonder reality seems so harsh to you, you don't experience it.
And what's really side is by being so selfish and lame, ya'all only hurt CW....
But, like typical Dumbocrats, ya'all are only concerned about yerselves and frak anyone else...
I hope you're cozy in that artificial world you're creating for yourself -
Says the guy who believes that NOT-45 won the election and denies that President Trump is your President... :D
No.. BLM is Bureau of Land Management...
So, you do know how to use Google. That's a relief.
Guess we'll just have to go back to using the full name, Black Lives Matter. Better that way anyway, because the right seems to have had a hard time wrapping its head around the concept that lives other than white lives matter at all, as recent events have clearly demonstrated.
Obama team was warned in 2014 about Russian interference
In 2014, the administration got a report of Russia’s intention to disrupt Western democracies, including the United States.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/obama-russia-election-interference-241547
Odumbo dropped the ball.... AGAIN.....
I guess that is what Odumbo meant when he told Putin he would be "flexible" if Putin helped Odumbo win the election....
So, you do know how to use Google. That's a relief.
Maybe you would have to use Google to find something so obvious...
Not me..
Guess we'll just have to go back to using the full name, Black Lives Matter.
You mean ONLY Black Lives Matter.. Why do you think they eject white people from their gatherings.. Why they want to have entire college days without ANY white people around on campus..
ONLY Black Lives Matter to those racist scumbags..
And YOU support them.. :^/
Better that way anyway, because the right seems to have had a hard time wrapping its head around the concept that lives other than white lives matter at all, as recent events have clearly demonstrated.
Yea?? You mean when those people who claim that ALL LIVES MATTER are attacked and assaulted by Dumbocrats who believe that ONLY Black Lives Matter??
You mean like that???
Says the guy who believes that NOT-45 won the election and denies that President Trump is your President..
Says the guy who can't get past the election, and keeps bringing up Hillary as if it's still relevant.
Let's keep replaying that last win, so that folks won't notice the slow-motion car wreck this administration is.
Yea?? You mean when those people who claim that ALL LIVES MATTER are attacked and assaulted by Dumbocrats who believe that ONLY Black Lives Matter??
Oh, you mean the poor, oppressed Nazis, skinheads and related scum you've spent the day defending? Sure, THEY believe that all lives matter, until the gas chambers are readied for use..
Says the guy who can't get past the election, and keeps bringing up Hillary as if it's still relevant.
It's relevant to your continued delusion that President Trump is not the legitimate POTUS...
Oh, you mean the poor, oppressed Nazis, skinheads and related scum you've spent the day defending? Sure, THEY believe that all lives matter, until the gas chambers are readied for use..
Like I said.. Delusional... Yer the one who is defending and supporting cop-killers...
You mean ONLY Black Lives Matter.. Why do you think they eject white people from their gatherings.. Why they want to have entire college days without ANY white people around on campus..
You defend racist crap like this, Balthasar...
How do you sleep at night??
Middle school PE teacher, 40, arrested for sex romp with teen boy student
A former Union County middle school gym teacher was arrested Monday for a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old student, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Monday.
Shawnetta Reece taught at a Union County middle school.
Shawnetta D. Reece, 40, of Blairsville, was sexually involved with the student in 2013, the agency said in a news release.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/15/middle-school-teacher-40-arrested-for-sex-romp-with-teen-boy-student.html
NOT-45 supporter.... :^/
How do you sleep at night??
Says the guy defending Nazis.
I'm done with this bullshit conversation. See you later.
Says the guy defending Nazis.
Actually, it was KICK who was defending Nazis....
I'm done with this bullshit conversation. See you later.
TRANSLATION: I am tired of getting my ass handed to me... :D
I accept your concession, Balthasar...
Don't go away mad.... :D
Sorry if I was too hard on you, Balthy... I'll take it easy on you from now on..
I know how delicate you snowflakes can be... :D
Illegal immigrant in Utah who was deported raped 7-year-old girl 'thousands of times,' police say
An illegal immigrant who returned to the country after being deported to Mexico is accused of raping a 7-year-old girl “thousands of times.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/15/illegal-immigrant-in-utah-raped-7-year-old-thousands-times-police-say.html
These are the kinds of people that the Dumbocrat Party supports... :^/
Well, it's been a real slice.. :D
But I have to head out to pick up my lovely wife and then heading over to the son and daughter-in-law's for dinner...
Back at it in the AM...
Have a happy.... :D
[106] TheStig: This grasshopper says "yes master" :-)
geez. monday damage control just became tuesday out of control.
[129] Pretty much.
Paging General Kelly. I gave him 3 months on the outside. There is no salvaging Blotus.
General Kelly said that he was there to advance the president's agenda.
That tells me all I need to know about General Kelly.
Michale sure knows how to pick his exits.
OK, today's column is up, and it's a new contest!
BUT... I have instituted a "no unrelated comments rule" on it, so please continue any unrelated threads here, and NOT on today's comments board:
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/15/kelly-exit-contest/#comment-107946
Thanks, and have fun with the contest everyone!
-CW
Damn... I swear I wrote today's column before seeing Paula's [130] comment!
Great minds think alike, apparently.
:-)
-CW
[134] Yep!
I've been contacting my Congressional Reps today. Telling them I'm a one issue voter as of this weekend. Get rid of Trump. I'm like Indiana Jones...I hate Nazis..and their enablers.
I think we need to take another look at Flight 93 on 9/11.
While it is true there were Islamic Terrorists who hated Americans, we don't know for sure that all of them felt this way. And look at the actions of the passengers. They were violent too - they stormed the cockpit.
I think we need to wait until all the facts are out. There were violent people on both sides.
Sure there were the "Islamic Terrorists" but there were the "Angry Christians" and other angry people of all religions on that plane too.
Our President is reminding us that there were bad Christians - the Spanish Inquisition.
Nobody will call it like it is, but I will. We need to look at 9/11 and see that the anti-Americans and the pro-Americans were both violent.
Was Thomas Jefferson a nation destroying secessionist traitor to the alt-orange illiterati?
Balthy
Excellent comments.
It makes me wonder how many people here still want to drink a beer with a guy who distorts reality to defend racists.
Listen
I hear ya.
But I'm afraid he does believe most of what he writes, and lies when necessary for the sake of appearances.
A
Listen
75
You do a great job of deflecting from the issue, that's for sure. I finally see that you are only interested in attacking the character of people on here to avoid having to defend Trump and the GOP's actions.
Bingo! :)
Michale sure knows how to pick his exits.
Get used to it...
Michale
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Actually, it was KICK who was defending Nazis....
Bullshit... bullshit... bullshit. You routinely mischaracterize, lie, and twist the words of posters on this board and spew your fabrications over and over, and all you ever prove is that you will prolifically lie about anyone. Congratulations... you are the undisputed winner of the poster with the most comments containing utter nonsense, lies, fabrication, and bullshit. You rarely discuss political issues because you're too busy making up bullshit about people you don't know and claiming it as fact. You're fooling no one here except yourself.
I was NOT defending Nazis, I was admonishing YOU for a stupid post of yours wherein you suggested that others should take up arms and kill their fellow citizens. Let's review:
Michale: Seriously, cretins like this should be hunted down and shot like the animals that they are...
Kick: no... No... NO! Call them whatever name you wish and say whatever you wish in anger in the privacy of your own home, but it's not part of the solution to dehumanize your fellow citizens by referring to them as animals and encourage others to take up arms against them. They're exercising their right to free speech as guaranteed under the United States Constitution, and as long as they're not breaking any laws, they have every right to do so whether we agree or disagree with their cause.
Michale, it's a mystery to me why you would condemn the violence at Berkeley and then turn around and say something like this. These guys are no different than Milo; let them speak.
I truly hope you're just kidding about taking up arms against your fellow Americans; encouraging this type behavior is just wrong on so many levels. If this is your idea of condemning violence, then in my opinion, it's an epic fail. :)
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/08/11/netroots-energized-and-looking-forward/#comment-107577
To characterize defending the Constitutional rights of all Americans to speak as "defending Nazis" is complete bullshit on your part.
Seriously, Michale. You keep insisting that posters on this board condone the killing of cops and condone violence, and you provide nothing in the way of proof except your lies.
The sad fact of the matter is, you haven't proven by any stretch of the imagination that Balthy or any other poster on this board condones violence on cops or anyone else, but you've absolutely encouraged everyone to take up arms against their fellow citizens and proven without doubt who condones violence against others... and it's YOU.
**********
Seriously, cretins like this should be hunted down and shot like the animals that they are. ~ Michale
**********
Just as if the scumbags of the OBLM or ANTI-FAs *JUST* spoke, I wouldn't have a problem with any of them.....
But they don't JUST speak, so I don't agree...
The AntiFas ATTACK people who disagree with them. They extort city officials into closing down parades SOLELY because Republicans are marching in the parades..
The OBLM scumbags *KILL COPS*....
These racist dirtbags attack people solely because they are a different color or a different religion..
Sorry, in my book, once ANY of those groups cross the line into physical violence.... It's open season... ~ Michale
**********
Quite the contrary to your mindless, repetitive, and ridiculous bullshit, you haven't proven Balthy or anyone here condones the actions of assholes like James Hodgkinson, but you've proven without doubt that you're EXACTLY like those who would break the law, encourage others to do likewise, and take up arms or drive a car into a group of people because you took it upon yourself to decide it was "open season."
To be perfectly clear here, what you are advocating on these boards is criminal and is yet another nugget to add to the "shitty LEO" evidence pile. You clearly lack the moral foundation to lecture anyone, and your projection of your own bullshit onto everyone else is again... and as always... duly noted.
Fox News appears to be distancing itself from Trump over his waffling on racism and Neo-Nazism. The lockstep has been loosening for a while, but the trend has accelerated after Charlottesville. Long segments of Fox commentary are hard to distinguish from CNN or CBS, or even NPR. Oh, the horror! Does Trump even comprehend this? Has the reptilian part of his brain taken over completely? He is in serious trouble. His handlers get it, they know the size of his base. You can't win catering to the fringe of a fringe. Trump should be very wary of Pence. Republicans holding elected office are beginning to hear an unmistakeable cuckoo, cuckoo noise wafting from Bedminster. What do they do?
Americans are not used to a president who sticks up for them. POTUS Troll will stick up for the very fine people who attend alt-orange Klan parties with torches. The multitudes of Trumpthugs appreciate his dog whistles and MAGA vehicular terrism (inspired by the ISIS) is our new normal. Thanks Trump.
@kick,
of course defending free speech rights in spite of the awfulness of the speaker is not "defending nazis." michale's sophistry is well-documented, no need to escalate the rhetoric, it'll just lead to another fifty post flame war.
@michale,
that's two off-topic posts and not a single kelly exit date. you're proving CW's admonishment was justified.
JL
that's two off-topic posts and not a single kelly exit date. you're proving CW's admonishment was justified.
Of course, you ignore the FACT that I am not the only one posting off topic in a thread specifically requested no off topic posts..
Ya know, fuck this...
I don't need this aggravation and I surely could use the extra money during the holidays that I donate here to keep this place ad free....
I'm otta here....
John [144]: the very fine people who attend alt-orange Klan parties with torches.
alt-orange: a semi- or faux tan color, reddish-orange or ruddy in hue, originally seen on the head and face of former Speaker of the House John Boehner. Caution: found to cause a condition known as 'gridlock', in which little or no legislation can be accomplished. Only known cure is resignation from office.
I'm otta here....
TRANSLATION: I am tired of getting my ass handed to me... :D
Don't go away mad.... :D
Doh! Payback's a bitch...
JFC - 144
Tiki Torches has spoken out strongly against American Nazi misappropriation of their popular patio product. Tiki is out front on this.
Where is the leadership of Dockers? Old Navy? Hilfigure? Go Figure. Nazis are giving them a good kick in their collective khaki pants! What normal person wants to be seen wearing Nazi pants? It's gotta hurt sales.
That's a fashion shame. An embargo on delivery to Nazis seems impractical...but maybe the Khaki Cartel could agree to donate a buck a pair to Southern Poverty Law or some other anti-hate NGO. Alt.-Nazis might decide to go back to bed sheets (sooo 1870's - and nobody looks good wearing sheets) if they have to pay for their own tracking/outing. Normal people can have the satisfaction of doing an easy right thing for tolerance.
Photo of man wearing Nazi Pants
https://cdn-s3.si.com/s3fs-public/styles/marquee_large_2x/public/2017/08/02/trump-5.jpg
The red ball cap on the man wearing Nazi Pants is now commonly referred to as "an ass hat"
NYPoet22-145
"no need to escalate the rhetoric, it'll just lead to another fifty post flame war."
Amen to that.
Neilm-137
Well done.
@ts [149]
it's gotta bug jake from state farm.
@michale,
don't get all huffy, i still like ya. kick had one post that was off-topic, clarifying a point from a post that was on-topic. therefore i'll tell you the same thing i told her: don't escalate.
JL
Blotus disbands his Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forums because CEO's are dropping out.
Paula [155]Blotus disbands his Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forums because CEO's are dropping out.
Yeah, well, he doesn't listen to advice anyway.
So, on one side is the world, and on the other side is Trump, the nazis, the alt-right, Duterte, Erdogan, Duda of Poland, Marie LePen and Vladimir Putin.
Hey, you don't suppose that Mnuchin is setting up a sequel to Suicide Squad here, do ya?
Oop. forgot Nigel Farage and Julian Assange. The Trump Universe is chock full of characters.
[156] Balthasar: According to Richard Trumka they never met anyway. It's all symbolic. But it was important symbolism.
OMG!!!!!! Trump has disbanded his CEO council...or possibly the group disbanded first, and Uber CEO Trump walked off with his balls and went home to Bedminster. Historians will have to sort out who did what to whom in what order.
Manufacturing Council & Strategy & Policy Forum, we hardly knew yah.
Cue memory reel...with Sarah McLachlan sound track of course.... have a good cry.
https://www.youtube.com/waindex=2&list=RD2LuG
Saint Pence stands with the Pres. Because he's so Christian and holy and all.
This is harrowing: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Nazis all over were menacing and mowing through lines of peaceful protestors.
JL
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of course defending free speech rights in spite of the awfulness of the speaker is not "defending nazis." michale's sophistry is well-documented, no need to escalate the rhetoric, it'll just lead to another fifty post flame war.
I hear you, JL, but as I have posted before {copying here}, my SO's grandmother actually lived through the Holocaust (complete with arm tattoo). Her young husband didn't get a tattoo because he was ill and sent directly to the gas chamber; she never saw him again. Their two young boys... twins... were separated from them and sent somewhere else; she never saw them again either and has no idea where they were taken. She was a sad woman, rest her soul, but a strong one nevertheless. She was fascinating too and would talk to anyone about it. She said the question she got asked the most was why she didn't get that tattoo removed; she said that doing so would leave a scar and that she had enough of those and didn't need any more. She also said she didn't want to ever forget about it and would do whatever it took so the world would never stop talking about it and never forget.
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2017/04/28/ftp434/#comment-99315
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So anyone else that wants to accuse me of defending Nazis, particularly anyone who worships at the alter of Benedict Donald, the BLOTUS who actually does defend them, is going to get a fairly large piece of my mind. I apologize if it leads to 50 posts by someone else, but I'll do it again and again if anyone wants to insist that I'm defending Nazis while claiming that his Orange Worship isn't. :)
Balthy
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TRANSLATION: I am tired of getting my ass handed to me... :D
Don't go away mad.... :D
Doh! Payback's a bitch...
ALTERNATE TRANSLATION: Since my head was planted firmly up my backside when I tried to cross brains with Spock, guess what was cut to pieces and handed to me? ~ Michale
Former CIA Director John Brennan:
"Mr. Trump's words, and the beliefs they reflect, are a national disgrace, and all Americans of conscience need to repudiate his ugly and dangerous comments. If allowed to continue along this senseless path, Mr. Trump will do lasting harm to American society and to our standing in the world. By his words and his actions, Mr. Trump is putting our national security and our collective futures at grave risk."
For those of you who had not seen it yet, I think the statement speaks for itself.
Also, did anyone notice what amounted to the joint statements issued by all the various heads of the U.S. military, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Army, Navy, the Marines and Air Force, who all felt that they had to explicitly come out and denounce racism?
Is this extraordinary or what?
Michale,
Oh come on!
You dish it out a few orders of magnitude greater than you get, granted there is only one of you and all of us. But, jeez, give me a break!
You are just down in the dumps because your guy is not doing very well and failing miserably in his effort to make America great, again.
Come back and take yer lumps! Like a man!! :)
JL
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kick had one post that was off-topic, clarifying a point from a post that was on-topic.
So why would it be off-topic to go for the bonus points as outlined by CW and explain who you think might figure prominently in the tenure of General Kelly and why? If Bannon goes, it's going to get interesting for Trump really fast, and if Bannon doesn't go, it's going to get interesting how long General Canary can withstand the stench.
Answer: It was never off topic. Michale is simply concerned with posting bullshit about other posters rather than discussing actual political issues... same bullshit, different day.
[162] Kick: My Dad came from Lithuania, after escaping a Russian prison and hiding out during WWII. I grew up on his stories, of a brief window of freedom when he was a boy/teenager, then the Russians, then Nazis, then Russians again, coming in, terrorizing and, in the end, taking over.
Fuck these Nazis and fuck these Putin-fetishists. Most of these idiots are goddamned privileged, educated white boys playing dress-up and waving guns. They've never faced real danger. They're getting doxxed and crying like toddlers when they're outed. They run around with their guns, scared some poor black guy or Syrian Refugee or Mexican farmworker is going to kill them, when they live in their little white enclaves, far away from the real shit POC face every day.
Separately, the resident snowflake will make wild statements in order to bait you. You NEVER have to defend yourself from one of his accusations. I mean, do if you enjoy it. It can be fun, especially when you make him run to Mommy. But you owe him no explanations or justifications. He has shown repeatedly he does not argue in good faith.
[164] John M: I noticed the military folks made their statements and am heartened. Horrible that they had to do it, but good that they did.
Paula -167 "Fuck these Nazis and fuck these Putin-fetishists. Most of these idiots are goddamned privileged, educated white boys playing dress-up and waving guns. They've never faced real danger."
Not exactly prime examples of a "Master Race." More like "The Masturbator Race."
My great grandfather hailed from Riga - just up the cost from your dad! Sailed to England, lived long enough in White Chapel to pick up Cockney accented English and witness the Ripper terror. Ended up in Springfield Mass, my mom brought him German language books to read from the public library.
@kick,
i don't even know how to react now that donald has blown up his own statement condemning nazis and the klan. this may be the moment we remember as "the time donald jumped the great white shark."
[162]
my wife and i both have families lost to genocide in europe, hers more than mine. we're both jews. three of my four biological grandparents' families left europe during the interwar period, and the one whose relatives stayed wouldn't talk about it. anyhow, i was with you for the first few paragraphs of [142], your indignation is 100% justified - the last two just seemed like tit for tat.
[166]
that's a bit of a stretch. bannon's relationship to kelly's tenure is tangential at best, and you weren't exactly explicit about any possible connection. CW was pretty straightforward in his request, so whether or not bannon is somehow relevant to kelly's departure date is angels dancing on the head of a pin as far as i'm concerned. appeal to hypocrisy is not an excuse for michale intentionally breaking the rule that you barely broke by accident... but as a point of fact, you did.
JL
[168] TheStig: Great Grandpa from Riga, and went to England then to Massachusetts -- it sounds like he had a really interesting life!
Yes, "the masturbator race". Easy to imagine them putting on their gear and posing in front of mirrors. Probably snap selfies and send them off to their buddies.
John M
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Also, did anyone notice what amounted to the joint statements issued by all the various heads of the U.S. military, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Army, Navy, the Marines and Air Force, who all felt that they had to explicitly come out and denounce racism?
I noticed.
Is this extraordinary or what?
Yes, it is, John M... a very good point. Was there ever a time in the history of these United States where our military leaders felt it necessary to issue statements explaining in no uncertain terms on what side their loyalties lie? I can't think of one of this magnitude.
At the beginning of the Civil War, Robert E. Lee was requested by representatives of President Lincoln to take command of armies of the North. Although Lee was not a proponent of secession, his loyalties were to Virginia; he chose poorly.
How refreshing to see that the military leaders of today are... without naming names and indirectly... choosing wisely.
Kudos too to our Presidents and former Commanders in Chief:
* George H.W. and George W. Bush, the only living former Republican presidents, who issued a joint statement condemning hatred.
* Barack H. Obama who schooled BLOTUS on the proper use of twitter in a series quoting Nelson Mandela in response to the violence in Charlottesville, of which one has now become the most liked tweet in the history of Twitter. :)
EM
165
You are just down in the dumps because your guy is not doing very well and failing miserably in his effort to make America great, again.
Maybe he is just tired of all that "winning."
Come back and take yer lumps! Like a man!! :)
Heh. :)
Paula
167
Your dad sounds like a survivor not to be trifled with and who probably does not suffer fools well and knows one when he sees one... just like you.
Fuck these Nazis and fuck these Putin-fetishists.
Pass. *wink* They're way beneath my pay grade. They can all go eff themselves; I got bigger fish to fry.
Separately, the resident snowflake will make wild statements in order to bait you. You NEVER have to defend yourself from one of his accusations.
I hear you... and JL and TS. :)
JL
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i don't even know how to react now that donald has blown up his own statement condemning nazis and the klan. this may be the moment we remember as "the time donald jumped the great white shark."
I hear you... just please keep in mind that Donald is the great white shark.
my wife and i both have families lost to genocide in europe, hers more than mine. we're both jews. three of my four biological grandparents' families left europe during the interwar period, and the one whose relatives stayed wouldn't talk about it. anyhow, i was with you for the first few paragraphs of [142], your indignation is 100% justified - the last two just seemed like tit for tat.
My indignation is a huge fan of tit for tat. It seems this issue has touched many of us here, perhaps making us stronger and more indignant regarding same.
that's a bit of a stretch. bannon's relationship to kelly's tenure is tangential at best, and you weren't exactly explicit about any possible connection.
As I stated in my original comment, the Bannonites, which includes Bannon, will be gunning for Kelly in the same manner as they're gunning for McMaster and those they deem to be "deep state." Am I wrong to assume this is a well-known ongoing issue?
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/11/breitbart-war-on-mcmaster-bites-bannon-241517
And one of General Kelly's primary missions is to clamp down on leakers. Bannon is a leaker... THE leaker.
CW was pretty straightforward in his request, so whether or not bannon is somehow relevant to kelly's departure date is angels dancing on the head of a pin as far as i'm concerned.
In my experience, "angels dancing on the head of a pin" is most often thrown out by people who want to ridicule the intricacies of their opponent's arguments because they cannot understand them. CW's "straightforward" request also included the following language:
CW: Bonus points are possible if you correctly pick the method of his exit (fired in a Trump rage, got so disgusted he had to go, caught in a compromising position with Russians/prostitutes/Ryan Lizza, etc.)
So let's say CW held a contest to guess how long Scaramucci would last, and I commented that I thought he would last about 10 days because "blah, blah, blah" and Ryan Lizza; I would say that commentary would sound exponentially more "tangential" than my mentioning a link to someone who actually worked in the White House.
Appeal to hypocrisy is not an excuse for michale intentionally breaking the rule that you barely broke by accident... but as a point of fact, you did.
You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts. It's your opinion that I broke "the rule" by accident. The post in question simply changed the word "can" in my original post to "can't." If you and Michale think it's not relevant to Kelly, then you are entitled to your opinions.
The revolving door at the White House has a lot to do with rooting out leakers, and I have a reason for believing that Bannon is pulling a lot more of the strings around the mansion than is widely known. I believe that whether or not Bannon is there and pulling those strings will go a long way to answering whether or not Kelly's tenure will be one of the short or long variety.
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. ~ Matthew 6:24 KJV
EDIT to [15] The primary leaker in the White House is Steve Bannon; he talks to others, and they talk to the press. Bannon is a bird on borrowed time; the leaking won't stop until he goes, and Trump can't release him because he knows too much.
That this was an accident is my opinion. That this contains nothing remotely about Kelly or his exit is a fact.
Close italics! Close italics!
JL
175, 176
That this was an accident is my opinion. That this contains nothing remotely about Kelly or his exit is a fact.
It does when you read it in context with the requisite post from whence it was copied to EDIT it in order to correct for a word error... so don't read it out of context.
CW outlined a way to get bonus points so I started "talking" about what I thought would be a factor. If I think the Bannonites and Bannon will have something to do with Kelly's tenure, how can anyone be sure it "contains nothing remotely about Kelly or his exit" until Kelly actually exits? *grin* *eyebrow raise*
Close italics! Close italics!
I have read this in context with the requisite post, and I see your meaning. *grin*
i think he lasts longer than most people think he will.
"He" who? Say, JL... it appears to be a "fact" that there is nothing remotely about Kelly in your post either. *grin*
cute.
I am nothing if not... "cute." ;)