"Zero Tolerance" Legal And Political Fallout Will Continue
President Trump probably thought that a decisive move from him would end all the fuss over his "zero tolerance" policy on immigration. He signed an executive order, therefore the problem would thus go away. But this isn't how things work in the real world, where the fallout is going to continue for the foreseeable future. There will be two major arenas where this is going to play out: in the courtroom, and on the political stage.
Let's take a look at the legal issue first. Either Donald Trump or Jeff Sessions knew full well that instituting a policy of prosecuting all illegal border crossings -- while at the same time not increasing the resources of the current law enforcement, detainment, prosecutorial, or judicial systems -- was a recipe for disaster. The system would quickly become overwhelmed, and would grind to a halt. This was entirely predictable -- if you take a system that is barely functioning at any reasonable rate of speed to begin with and then flood it with thousands of new cases with no new resources, the system will not be able to handle it. Which is pretty much what happened, within weeks of the new policy being implemented.
If Trump or Sessions had any real interest in stopping families claiming refugee status from illegally crossing the border, they could have achieved this easily, although it would have cost some money to adequately address it. If the number of border agents tasked with processing refugee claims had been dramatically increased, then the Trump administration could have sent a clear message: you don't need to swim the Rio Grande, just present yourself at a border crossing and your family will stay together. Of course, the Trump administration did not choose this route.
After the entirely-predictable chaos ensued, followed swiftly by media and public condemnation of an inhumane policy of child abuse, Trump tried to solve the problem but not actually reverse course. He signed a hastily-drawn-up executive order so that families could be incarcerated together. However, the White House has not exactly clarified how any of the new policy will be implemented, leading to even more bureaucratic chaos.
In the meantime, Congress is struggling to do much of anything, as is par for the course for this Republican Congress. Paul Ryan is in the midst of a cynical exercise designed to give House Republicans some political cover, all the while knowing that the legislation will never pass the Senate. If this fails, the backup plan is to vote on a "skinny" immigration bill, which would just address the problems the "zero tolerance" policy have created. The Senate is already working on their own version of such a bill.
But all of this blatantly ignores a key fact. The rule at the heart of the issue came from a federal judge, who essentially determined what was constitutional and what was not. This ruling stated that families can be incarcerated together, but only for a minimal time -- defined as less than three weeks, or 20 days. This ruling is still in force, even though Trump's executive order may soon fall afoul of it. The judge who initially issued the ruling is reportedly set to rule again on Trump's latest moves, perhaps as early as this Wednesday.
If she rules as expected, then Trump will have been trumped, by yet another federal judge. But what nobody has really mentioned in the media yet is that this could also preclude anything Congress does as well.
Congress can pass any bill that gets enough votes, and if the president signs it, it becomes law. Even blatantly unconstitutional laws can be created this way. That's why we have a third branch of government. If Congress suddenly passed a law legalizing slavery once again, once the president signed it, it would indeed become law. Approximately ten minutes later, the A.C.L.U. (and many others, assumably) would file a lawsuit and a federal judge somewhere would issue an immediate injunction stopping the law until the case could be heard. Even if it went all the way to the Supreme Court, a law that was on its face unconstitutional would be tossed out. That's the way things are supposed to work, in other words.
When the judge in the Flores case rules (possibly later this week) on whether Trump's executive order should be overruled, the decision may also signal the futility of Congress acting to enact Trump's new policy into law. It doesn't matter if they pass a law stating that all families caught illegally crossing the border should be indefinitely locked up together, because if the constitutional standard is that this cannot go on for more than 20 days, then this will still be true, new law or no new law.
Obviously, reasonable people can disagree with one federal judge's ruling on the issue. Some might argue that zero days is the correct standard -- that no family should be locked up in jail (no matter how pleasant) together, period. Others might argue that 20 days is arbitrary and way too short, and that if they just extended it to, say, 90 days then perhaps the legal system would have more time to process families better. It all hinges on what you consider "cruel and unusual punishment," really.
This will ultimately be determined (if the Trump administration pushes back hard enough) at the Supreme Court -- but this will not happen any time soon. The court is just wrapping up its business for the year, and will not reconvene until October. So even the fastest decision is going to come long after the midterm elections are over. Which brings up the second arena of fallout -- the political.
If the judge rules against Trump or Congress (or both), then this will only serve to keep the issue alive for a lot longer than Trump had planned. Or maybe not. Trump loves to accuse the Democrats of wanting to keep the immigration issue alive for the midterm campaign, but he is pretty obviously doing exactly that himself. As usual, he's not being particularly subtle about this, either. He kneecapped his own party late last week, by tweeting that they were all "wasting their time" tying to do anything about immigration. He went from stating he was "1000 percent" behind the House GOP's efforts to pass a bill to declaring the whole thing a waste of time, within days. Because he really doesn't want any of it fixed in any way, since he knows how powerful the issue is among his own political base. He truly believes that fanning the flames of immigration will cause a groundswell of voter support, leading to (as he put it) a "Red Wave" in November.
Before dismissing this as being woefully out of touch, you have to consider that it largely worked for him, back in 2016. Xenophobia is a powerful motivator of emotion, to state the obvious. So could it work for Trump again? Could he prove all the polling wrong and actually see a red wave develop?
Well, perhaps. The enthusiasm among Democrats and anti-Trumpers is pretty high, though, and shows no signs of abating before the midterms. So even if Trump manages to boost turnout on his side, the other side's turnout will also likely be boosted. Realistically, this could help Trump and the GOP in the Senate, but probably won't matter much in the House.
Lost in all the exuberance among Democrats for the midterms this year is a hard, cold fact. Democrats are defending quite a number of Senate seats in states that Trump won -- some of them overwhelmingly. West Virginia, Indiana, North Dakota, and Missouri are all on this list. Because of the nature of Senate cycles, the group that is up for re-election now all got elected in 2012 -- six years ago, on the coattails of Obama's second win. Republicans didn't do so well that year, which means that they have almost no vulnerable seats to defend -- or, at any rate, far fewer than the Democrats do. So Trump fanning the flames of xenophobia in very red states could indeed boost GOP voter turnout, and by doing so Democrats might even wind up losing seats in the Senate. If this comes to pass, then Trump fanning the anti-immigrant flames is going to look a lot more crafty than it may right now.
But I personally don't think this will do Trump much good in the House races. It might even wind up losing the GOP even more seats than they might have. House districts are, of course, smaller than the Senate races, and the populations are more demographically varied. Democrats aren't really targeting many deep-red seats, which is exactly where Trump's anti-immigrant rhetoric might help turnout. So a bunch of deep-red Republicans will get re-elected, perhaps with even larger margins than they're used to. But that doesn't affect the balance of power in the House at all.
In the districts Democrats are heavily targeting, the populace is a lot more purple than red. Suburban districts aren't going to be thrilled with Trump bragging about locking up families, to put it bluntly. Republican House members who are already in trouble in their home districts might be in even more trouble because of Trump fanning the immigration wedge issue. So while this might actually help Trump and the Republicans in the Senate, it probably isn't going to have the same effect in the House.
Of course, nobody really knows. Trump trusts his own political instincts, and he will continue doing so right up until it doesn't work any more. Whether that will happen in a big way in November or not is really anyone's guess. But what is beyond the shadow of a doubt at this point is that Trump feels the immigration issue is a winner for him, and he probably isn't going to do much to solve the immigration problem between now and November, because he is just fine with using it as a political wedge. It got him elected, after all, so who knows if it'll work again?
The other thing that is for certain is that the issue will indeed be a key one in the 2018 midterms. The legal process is going to still be in flux, Congress could get in on the act, and Trump himself is happy to keep the issue alive for as long as he can. It's even been rumored that he wants to shut the government down in October -- right before the election -- if he doesn't get his precious border wall money. One way or another, the fallout from last week is definitely going to continue, for the foreseeable future.
-- Chris Weigant
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Can anybody imagine what the Dem/Lib response would be if somebody denied Maxine Watters restaurant service???
an anybody imagine what the Dem/Lib response would be if somebody denied Maxine Watters restaurant service???
On what grounds?
neilm
On any grounds whatsoever, would not matter in the least, you would be a RAAACIST!!!!!
On any grounds whatsoever, would not matter in the least, you would be a RAAACIST!!!!!
No need to shout. You're probably right. And it will probably happen, or something similar.
Now what? What's the point? So some people get emotional. You get super excited with yourself every time you inform us that we can't understand economics. So you get emotional too.
We are losing a grip on what is right and what is wrong in this country. There are deep fissures, such as abortion and gay marriage, but now we have a President who disagrees with basic facts and lies multiple times every day, you think the real problem is some people getting excited if an old lady doesn't get dinner?
Lost in all the exuberance among Democrats for the midterms this year is a hard, cold fact. Democrats are defending quite a number of Senate seats in states that Trump won -- some of them overwhelmingly.
That's why Blotus is doubling-down on his white supremacy crap - because he's got nothing else. He is desperate to keep the deplorables wound up because everyone else either despises him or hates him with a passion. That includes a number of Republicans who will still vote for whatever Repubs are running in their districts, but it won't be out of love for Blotus.
And do not underestimate the volume of sheer hatred that is felt toward this man. Anecdotally nearly everyone I know has expressed feelings that shock themselves - they've never hated anyone the way they hate him. And his slimy confederates and, more and more, his supporters. Every move Blotus makes that excites his base reinforces our animosity. This stuff with torturing children lit a fuse -
Repubs have never factored in the part where millions of Dems become genuinely and implacably hostile.
Okay, I have now seen the clip of Maxine Waters.
C'mon lefties. You're going to fall for this gaslighting routine ad nauseam? You're being played on both sides. Maxine Waters didn't threaten anyone or call for violence to "all Trump supporters." They're gaslighting what Ms. Waters said and asking you to condemn her for something they blew up with their matches. Stop falling for their bullshit.
There is no need whatsoever to "take the high road" if you simply remember the fact that it's a 2-way street. While you're worried about "high" and "low," you're allowing the righties to ignore the traffic signs on the 2-way street and control both sides of the freeway while admonishing the other drivers in your lane to allow themselves to be run over by the "trucks" doing the speeding.
Figure it out, please.
Time to stop enabling the Orange Blowhole and his ilk while listening to their endless whataboutism, outright lies/exaggeration on one side while whining grievance and playing victim on the other. If Trump and his ilk are going to dish it out ad nauseam and condone the President's endless calls to violence, outright fabrications, and false equivalency, you are in no way required to acquiesce, allow them to redefine the freeway, and head for the exit ramp toward the mythical "high road."
CRS,
Can anybody imagine what the Dem/Lib response would be if somebody denied Maxine Watters restaurant service???
Exactly..
The Left preaches endlessly about peace, love, tolerance and respect..
But when it comes right down to it, the Left is as violent, hateful, intolerant and disrespectful as they accuse the Right of being...
Maxine Waters didn't threaten anyone or call for violence to "all Trump supporters."
“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere.”
-Maxine Waters
That is a call to violence...
“The people are going to turn on them, they are going to protest, they are going to absolutely harass them”
-Maxine Waters
That is a call to violence...
And Waters needs to remember that the vast majority of Trump supporters are well armed and well trained..
"No one should call for the harassment of political opponents. That's not right. That's not American. The president's tactics and behavior should never be emulated. It should be repudiated by organized, well informed and passionate advocacy."
-Democrat Chuck Schumer
DH
I can't wait until an atheist refuses to serve someone that believes in religion based on religious freedom.
You bring up an interesting point..
Many people believe that Freedom OF Religion doesn't mean Freedom FROM Religion..
I am not one of those people...
That is a call to violence...
And Waters needs to remember that the vast majority of Trump supporters are well armed and well trained..
"If you get hurt, hurt 'em back.. If you get killed.... Walk it off..."
-Captain America, AVENGERS-AGE OF ULTRON
“High level officials in the Trump administration, especially if their faces are likely to be recognized by many in the public as a result of appearances on TV, might want to consider applying for a license to carry a concealed weapon in the District of Columbia, and/or other states they frequent, in view of the call by Rep. Maxine Waters for the public to ‘absolutely harass’ these officials in public places, and other recent events indicating the increased danger they are in.”
-Law Professor John Banzhaf.
Like I said...
Hysterical Democrats & NeverTrumpers attack and harass Trump supporters at their own peril..
I would wager that THAT is exactly what Democrat leaders are hoping for.. One of their own to get shot and killed so they can be martyred..
And THAT sounds exactly like how Hamas and other terrorist organizations think..
Is THAT what you people want for your Democrat Party?? To become the Hamas of the United States???
Sad....
“Trump admin officials can get DC gun carry permits to defend themselves from the crazies who obey Maxine Walters.”
Author Emily Miller
There are probably a dozen James Hodgkisons that are listening very intently to the likes of Maxine Waters...
In light of all this advocation of violence against supporters of the President, it would be nice if President Trump signed an Executive Order that allows Conceal/Carry reciprocity in all 50 states...
MEDIA RHETORIC ON TRUMP ADMINISTRATION BECOMES INCREASINGLY VIOLENT
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/12/media-rhetoric-trump-administration-violent/
This is the Democrat Party today...
Sad....
Dear liberals, you won’t beat Trump by banning his staff from restaurants, threatening his son with pedophiles, abusing his wife or harassing his Cabinet off the streets - you’ll just get him re-elected
Yet when America’s liberals had their No1 enemy right where they want him – a wounded object of widespread revulsion even from within his own party and family – they still conspired to get it horribly wrong and allow Trump to regain the high moral ground.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5883485/PIERS-MORGAN-Dear-liberals-youll-just-Trump-elected-banning-staff-restaurants.html
Yep, that is EXACTLY what's going to happen..
The hysterical Democrats and NeverTrumpers are going to push and push and push and moderate Americans are going to be disgusted by their actions and President Trump is going to win re-election in a landslide..
Hysterical Democrat & NeverTrumpers are their own worst enemies...
In the meantime, Congress is struggling to do much of anything, as is par for the course for this Republican Congress.
To be fair, it was also par for the course for the previous Democrat Congress...
Let's be fair here.. :D
Of course, nobody really knows. Trump trusts his own political instincts,
And, considering how bad Democrats have scroo'ed the pooch in 2016 and beyond, that trust is well-deserved..
But what is beyond the shadow of a doubt at this point is that Trump feels the immigration issue is a winner for him, and he probably isn't going to do much to solve the immigration problem between now and November, because he is just fine with using it as a political wedge.
And, again, to be fair.. Democrats feel the EXACT same way...
President Trump offered the Democrats EVERYTHING the Dems wanted on DACA and more.. But they refused because they would lose a wedge issue and they didn't want to approve The Wall...
Never forget that Fonda sent out a call for mob violence, a call for a child (the 11-year-old son of President Trump) to be kidnapped from his mother and thrown in a cage with pedophiles. Peter Fonda sought to orchestrate mob action that would result in the gang-rape of an innocent child…
“WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PEDOPHILES,” Fonda’s Tuesday night tweet read.
But Fonda wasn’t done. He also called on his mob to terrorize the children of ICE agents.
“[W]e only need to surround their schools and scare the shit out of them and worry the fuck out of the agents frm CBE ICE & REGULAR BORDER PATROL AGENTS. WE NEED TO SCARE THE FUCK OUT OF THEM! NEED TO MAKE THEIR CHILDREN WORRY NOW,” Fonda demanded.
Then Fonda turned his hate towards two women, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, who he attacked with the sexist slur “gash,” and Kirstjen Nielsen, the Department of Homeland Security, who he wanted to see stripped naked and publicly whipped.
This is ya'all's Democrat Party...
Ya'all must be SOOOO proud... :^/
I have to wonder here if ANYONE here is ashamed of what the Democrat Party has become..
If there is, I would LOVE to hear from ya...
As to those who would pooh-pooh this off as a few crazies, give me a frakin' break... This hatred, bigotry and calls to violence is NOT a 'bug' of the Democrat Party.
It's a feature... A feature that is becoming more and more prevalent...
Michale,
“The people are going to turn on them, they are going to protest, they are going to absolutely harass them”
-Maxine Waters
That is a call to violence...
No, it is not. It is a call to harass. Trump telling his fans to beat up protesters at his rally and he’d cover their legal fees... that was a call to violence.
And Waters needs to remember that the vast majority of Trump supporters are well armed and well trained..
Yeah, you goose-step in line perfectly anytime he blows his dog whistle!
Can anybody imagine what the Dem/Lib response would be if somebody denied Maxine Watters restaurant service???
Well, since they would probably use a racial slur when they tell her she isn’t welcome there, it’s a safe bet people will get upset.
Much like the cake shop owner in Colorado could have just told the couple that prior commitments would not allow him to bake them a wedding cake, conservatives love to be as nasty as possible with their bigotry! The woman who refused to serve Hoss Cartwright’s party was very polite in the way she handled things. If in the future Watters is denied service, if they are able to express that they disagree with her politics and do not feel they can serve her without using any slurs, then they would be fine.
Trump foes move toward public shaming even of low-level officials..
Twice in the past week, activists have posted information on employees of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the agency that carried out Trump's policy that required children to be separated from their parents who were arrested for crossing the U.S. border illegally. Amid national bipartisan outrage, Trump abruptly reversed course last week.
Sam Lavigne, an adjunct professor at New York University, last Tuesday posted data on 1,595 ICE employees that he scraped off of profiles on LinkedIn, a career networking platform. Lavigne posted the material on GitHub, a hosting platform popular with software developers.
“I leave it here with the hope that researchers, journalists and activists will find it useful,” Lavigne wrote in a blog posting on Medium that has since been taken down.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213805514.html
Sounds familiar, eh?? :^/
How Democrats can get up in the morning and look in the mirror is beyond me...
Of course, I am sure they really like what they see.. Which, given all the calls to violence and all the harassment and all the bigotry..... is a sad commentary on Democrats in itself..
"And I'm spent..."
-Austin Powers
:D
No, it is not. It is a call to harass.
Harassment IS violence...
Further, I am constrained to point out that the James Hodgkisons in the crowds might not make the distinction..
But, of course, that is EXACTLY what Maxine Waters is hoping for.. The James Hodgkisons to get to work on Trump supporters..
But, I'll assume from your response that you are perfectly OK with the direction your Demcorat Party is taking..
Considering you tried to drag my grandchildren into your rage, I am not surprised..
“WE SHOULD RIP BARRON TRUMP FROM HIS MOTHER’S ARMS AND PUT HIM IN A CAGE WITH PEDOPHILES,”
-Peter Fonda
You OK with that Russ??? Silence Gives Assent...
Sad...
Trump telling his fans to beat up protesters at his rally and he’d cover their legal fees...
As usual, that is a lie... Trump never said that..
that was a call to violence.
And you're perfectly OK with your Democrats doing the exact same thing..
Which simply proves my point.. When you scratch a Democrat, you see a violent hateful bigot underneath...
If it wasn't a call to violence, why are your Democrat leaders, Pelosi and Schumer condemning the calls to violence??
And, in other news..
Judge throws out SF and Oakland climate suits against big oil
But Alsup, who works in the court’s Northern District of California, opined that the world has undoubtedly benefited from fossil fuels, from the industrial revolution to today’s modern conveniences. The bench, he determined, was not in a position to weigh the industry’s positives against the negative.
“Having reaped the benefit of that historic progress, would it really be fair to now ignore our own responsibility in the use of fossil fuels and place the blame for global warming on those who supplied what we demanded?” he wrote. “Is it really fair, in light of those benefits, to say that the sale of fossil fuels was unreasonable?”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/science/article/Judge-throws-out-SF-and-Oakland-climate-change-13025637.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result
Sometimes, justice DOES work.. :D
Liz,
You remarked yesterday about Harley Davidson moving some operations over seas to escape tariffs..
But, if I understand the facts correctly, HD is moving operations overseas to escape FOREIGN tariffs..
And foreign companies are moving THEIR operations here to the US because of tariffs..
So that means more jobs for Americans...
So, that's a GOOD thing.. :D
That is a call to violence...
Only if you buy into the gaslighting, false equivalency, and whining victim routine from the aggrieved righties who insist that "telling them they are not welcome anymore" is violence. It's pathetic to watch them whine about itty bitty words being spoken and pretending like the term "push back" has anything whatsoever to do with actual touching... obviously it doesn't.
Same shit, different day. The con artist invents a crisis and puts on a show full of gaslighting and outright lies in order to gin up that "base." Fat Orange Bastard takes the stage sweating bullets and looking like a heart attack waiting to happen with his multiple chins, fake words, fake tan, fake outrage, fake grievance... putting on a show full of gaslighting attacks and lashing out in anger... stoking the fear of the perpetually whiny and aggrieved "base."
Ramp it up; he is definitely desperate. Demonizing immigrants and the "others" has always worked for Benedict Donald in the past, but I see a tipping point coming.
Trump is running scared, and it shows.
Kick [8]: Yeah, my wife saw it and said much the same thing. It isn't like she offered to pay the legal bills of any of her supporters who get violent, or anything extreme like that - it is just a call to peacefully demonstrate.
Seems like that isn't something the orange horde can handle - perhaps when they hear the word "harass" they think it means "punch in the face", because that is what it means for them.
So the more the right wing whine about this, the more it displays their propensity to violence.
BTW for any new readers, Michale isn't going to go away, doesn't understand the concept of facts, and is trying to goad you into a response. This is par for the course, but if you skip the comments they same way you fast-forward thru commercials with your Tivo you'll enjoy it around here. Don't feed the beasties.
So that means more jobs for Americans...
Ignoring my own advice as usual :) Feeding the beastie ...
No, not really. It means that U.S. workers are at an advantage selling to the U.S. market, which is why small companies are not too worried about tariffs, and some may in fact benefit from reduced competition, however the U.S. market is only a fraction of the World market where U.S. workers are getting less competitive due to tariffs.
Think of it like the U.S. If Florida were to pass tariffs on orange juice then orange growers in Florida would have an advantage selling OJ in Florida, but if the other states reciprocate then the Florida growers would be worse off because they be at a disadvantage in the other 49 states.
A California orange grower would be at a competitive advantage in all other 49 states compared to Florida orange growers and at a disadvantage in Florida only.
This is where Trump's understanding of the World is so flawed - it isn't the balance of trade that is important, it is the total available market. This is the same reason that Brexit is incredibly self-defeating.
Trump also thinks that China is breaking the rules - well guess what - that is what happens when an economy is immature. Remember when intellectual property for software was ignored in China? Then China realized that they would never have software companies of their own, because the local software companies couldn't make money. The most important aspects of the TPP were around intellectual property rights, which are well beyond Trump's level of understanding. China will steal our technology because we have it and they don't, but if you think for one minute that the CIA won't steal their technology advantages in the future if we need it, you are delusional.
[28] Michale
"Trump telling his fans to beat up protesters at his rally and he’d cover their legal fees...
As usual, that is a lie... Trump never said that.."
Actually, he DID say THAT.
Direct quote from Trump himself at his campaign rally in Iowa:
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” - 4:30 PM - Feb 1, 2016
He also told Fox News that a Black Lives Matter activist who got attacked at his rally “should have been roughed up.”
Denial is not just a river in Egypt, it's also strong among Trump supporters. Say what you will Michale, but the FACTS and PROOF are right there in black and white in Trump's OWN WORDS caught on TAPE.
“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere.”
-Maxine Waters
THAT is a call to violence...
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.” - 4:30 PM - Feb 1, 2016
But that's not what Russ said..
Exactly my point. Russ changed the quote to fit his agenda..
Trump is saying if you see someone about to assault someone you assault them first..
Perfectly legit.. It's called "self defense" or "defense of innocents"...
He also told Fox News that a Black Lives Matter activist who got attacked at his rally “should have been roughed up.”
Once again, that is not what Russ said.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt, it's also strong among Trump supporters. Say what you will Michale, but the FACTS and PROOF are right there in black and white in Trump's OWN WORDS caught on TAPE.
And those words are NOT saying what you claim they are saying..
You prove my point for me..
You spin the words to fit your agenda..
The EXACT words prove ya'all wrong..
Just like Kick with her hysterical tirade against the colorado baker... The FACTS prove that she was 100% wrong...
Ignoring my own advice as usual :)
I guess you just confirmed that your OWN advice is worthless.. :D
https://youtu.be/4Pjs7uoOkag
I dare ya'all to watch this video..
It's really simple..
The Democrat Party just wants to create a bunch more James T. Hodgkinsons...
That's the agenda here...
Democrats fear call to shame Trump admin officials will cost votes in midterms: report
Some Democrats are reportedly concerned that public appeals to “absolutely harass” Trump administration officials will come back to hurt them in the polls and benefit Republicans.
There have been several recent instances where Trump officials have been publically shamed, including Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen at a Mexican restaurant and White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, who was asked to leave by an owner of a restaurant in Virginia.
On Saturday, Florida Attorney General – and ardent Trump supporter – Pam Bondi was confronted by a group of protesters outside the screening of a documentary about Mister Rogers in Tampa. A video of the confrontation shows the Florida AG leaving the theater as several people yell at her, with one woman seen shouting at her about Bondi’s recent actions on health care policy and her stance on immigration.
The Washington Post’s editorial board wrote a column titled, “Let the Trump team eat in peace.” The paper identified the heightened state of “passions” in the country, but saw no benefit in protesters interrupting dinners.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/26/democrats-fear-call-to-shame-trump-admin-officials-will-cost-votes-in-midterms-report.html
Keep at it, Dumbocrats...
Yer going to guarantee GOP gains in the House and Senate and are going to insure a landslide Trump victory in 2020...
“Whip Scalise knows firsthand the dangerous consequences that can result from making political differences personal and vitriolic. We are lucky to live in a country where we have the right to freely debate our differences civilly. Harassment is never an acceptable method of disagreement.”
It's too bad that hysterical Democrats and NeverTrumpers can't understand this simple fact..
Violence and harassment should NEVER be an acceptable method of disagreement...
I mean, honestly..
Peter Fonda advocated kidnapping President Trump's son and locking the 11 yr old in a cage with pedophiles..
NO ONE here said BOO about.
How low do Democrats have to sink before they take a good long look in the mirror and ask themselves if they are part of the problem??
How low???
Yes, create a crowd, an angry mob, and push back. Or push them, or cut them or shoot them. Whatever it takes to silence that disagreeable voice. Civility may not be dead in politics, but if you leave it to Maxine the attention who-aah, she'll shiv it 'til it bleeds blue.
On Restaurants Declining Service:
My brother owned and managed a very profitable restaurant for over a decade (he doesn't do it any more - he retired on his profits). He researched EVERYTHING including his right to refuse customers service. Those rights are broad, so long as you do not refuse service on the basis of:
race
national origin or citizenship status
religion or creed
sex
age
disability, pregnancy or genetic information
veteran status.
That's the Federal level, there are additional protected classes (that's a "term of art" so don't read too much socio mumbo jumbo into it buckos). In some states political affiliation IS a protected class, but that's unusual.
In general, the law recognizes the right of an owner/operator to run an efficient and profitable business....but there is a flip side to this. Any aggrieved patron has the right to sue YOU. As my brother would tell you, that threat is commonly made whenever you give a customer(s) the bum's rush. It is usually a very hollow threat, because lawyers are expensive and favorable judgements to the customer are few and typically small. So, it's basically a standoff of mutually assured wallet depletion. As soon as a legal threat was made, my brother called the local constabulary - and most customers were smart enough to head for their car. Those who didn't got a police escort out to their car.
On average, my brother threw out 1 or 2 customers a month. Number of lawsuits in over ten years of operation: zero. My brother had a reputation as the local "Soup Nazi." No reservations, wait until your name is called or your "hockey puck" buzzes. Once you clean your plate, Get the Hell Out...do not nurse your cup of coffee (excellent coffee)...patrons are waiting. My brother's was probably the most ethnically diverse operation in the county. It looked like the UN. The only unifying "class" was was a tendency towards over-weight (I suspect that may be true of the UN too). If you could fit in a booth or table, pay the tab and tip, you would do fine.
Trump Country, it turns out, is more tolerant than the left...
HILLSBORO, Ohio
Since President Trump’s election, journalists, political scientists and others from across the United States and around the world have visited our little southern Ohio town, population 6,600, to study the natives. Naturally, patronizing local eateries at breakfast or lunchtime is usually part of their itinerary.
Some have told me later that, during their interviews, they went out of their way to identify themselves as liberals who have little use for our president. To their credit, they wanted to be honest about who they were and what they were doing. They were sometimes treated with a degree of skepticism, but without fail, they say that people were polite and willing to talk to them — not to mention serve them breakfast or lunch.
We contrast this, of course, with the recent episodes involving Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, both of whom were essentially evicted from restaurants — Nielsen heckled away by customers, Sanders asked by the restaurant owner to leave — for the crime of Trump association, similar to a misdemeanor but quickly approaching felony status.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-country-it-turns-out-is-more-tolerant-than-the-left/2018/06/25/9937cdbc-789c-11e8-aeee-4d04c8ac6158_story.html
Those rights are broad, so long as you do not refuse service on the basis of:
creed
Definition of "creed"...
a set of beliefs or aims that guide someone's actions.
"liberalism was more than a political creed"
So, apparently, this new hero of the hysterical and bigoted Left broke the law...
Thank you for that confirmation, Stig...
Is 'Doxxing' the Future of Political Protest?
Last week an adjunct faculty member at New York University made headlines when he used LinkedIn to compile and release a database of more than 1,500 ICE employees while calling for those opposed to the Trump administration’s immigration policies to do as they pleased with it. While Twitter, Medium, GitHub and other sites deleted the material as violations of their harassment policies, the database went viral in activist circles.
This is not the first time LinkedIn has been used to compile a database of government employees. In 2015, transparency activists managed to compile a database of more than 27,000 U.S. intelligence personnel simply by keyword searching LinkedIn. Those researchers even went a step further, demonstrating that it was relatively easy to track down the employees’ personal Facebook pages to find photographs of them and identify their friends and family.
What makes the Immigration and Customs Enforcement list so different is the context in which it was shared: to harass and intimidate – a practice known as doxxing -- rather than to research government secrecy. Almost immediately, the list made the rounds among activists, with calls for everything from identifying employees’ home addresses and phone numbers to banning them from stores – and even kidnapping or harming their children.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/26/is_doxxing_the_future_of_political_protest_137349.html
How apropos....
Why the Left Is Having a Nervous Breakdown
Infuriating {the Left} even more is that Trump is not even a conventional Republican or a conventional anything for that matter, making a mockery of people (like leftists) with rigid, reified (and highly conventional) ideologies that, in most cases, haven't altered one jot in decades.
Trump is the reverse. He's not a conservative either, but a Dengist, as in China's Chairman Deng Xiaoping (one of the most positive figures in the twentieth century for almost single-handedly overcoming Maoism), who abjured ideology and famously said "I don't care if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice."
That's Trump to a T and the very opposite of his adversaries, who obsess about whether a cat is black or white and couldn't care less if it catches mice. Trump's pragmatism exposes their (no other word) bullshit. All they want to do is talk and do nothing. Thus, he leaves them naked, which generates yet more rage.
But again, it's their fault. As an ex-leftist myself, I am acutely aware how ideology can be used as an excuse for destructiveness. I attended meetings in the sixties and seventies where people endlessly discussed violent action, but almost never discussed what they really wanted to do if they took control. Sound familiar?
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/why-the-left-is-having-a-nervous-breakdown/
Yep.. Yep.. Yep...
It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood..
Won'tcha be my neighboooooorrrrrrrrrrrrr
:D
And, for ya'all... The HITS just keep on coming!!! :D
Supreme Court rules for Trump in challenge to his administration's travel ban
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/26/supreme-court-rules-in-trump-muslim-travel-ban-case.html
What part of CONSTITUTIONAL is unclear to ya'all???
My day is really REALLY awesome!!! :D
Trump is basically an unplanned stress test of USA government and economy. Throw a 241 Y.O. Uncle Sam on a treadmill, keep increasing the incline, and see what happens. The Supreme Court is presumably the "crash cart." The last time We The People tried this was in 1861.
Trump is basically an unplanned stress test of USA government and economy.
I completely agree with you TS...
And, when the US comes out of the other side in Jan of 2024, the US will be a LOT stronger...
We completely agree, TS.. :D
Red Hen owners 'followed Sarah Sanders into the next restaurant to continue their harassment after they refused to serve her,' claims her father Mike Huckabee
Mike Huckabee revealed his daughter Sarah Huckabee Sanders was harassed more than what was originally said by Virginia restaurant owners
The former Arkansas governor made the remarks on The Laura Ingraham Show
He said the owners heckled his daughter at the Red Hen before following her to the next restaurant
The Christian minister added that several of his daughter's liberal in-laws were in attendance to the humiliating dinner outing
The in-laws reportedly told the owners they were acting out and inappropriately
Huckabee called the incident 'really tragic' and 'what the Left has been reduced to'
Meanwhile, President Trump Monday trash-talked the 'dirty' Virginia restaurant
The said harassment happened to the White House press secretary last Friday
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5885663/Mike-Huckabee-says-liberal-Red-Hen-owners-harassed-daughter-more.html
How UTTERLY pathetic are these scumbag NeverTrumpers....
If Huckabee's claim is accurate, this is a new low for the Left Wing at a time replete with new lows...
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bdfc22f43299be35ad5af56bbac571603088a20fc2eb439dbfeb8747c47b7e9f.jpg?w=800&h=384
Heh :D
"What is this, a mosaic??"
-Hades, HERCULES
Looks like a funeral in here.. :D
Heh.
Well, Michale this is just more incontrovertible proof of we all have always known to be the truth of the matter ... third time is the charm!
Well, Michale this is just more incontrovertible proof of we all have always known to be the truth of the matter ... third time is the charm!
Well, actually, 1st, 2nd AND 3rd time was the charm...
It's just that the NTs could not get it thru their heads..
The Travel Ban was and is and always will be CONSTITUTIONAL ....
I assume you were talking about the Travel Ban... :D
That was supposed to be funny.
What else?
That was supposed to be funny.
And it was.. I just forgot the ':D' :D
"So serious"
-The Joker
You are forgetting that D: quite a lot, lately ...
Has your disposition changed?
Has your disposition changed?
Nope, I am my normal happy go lucky self.. :D
It's been a really great time here in Weigantia.. :D
Personally I'm warming up to Dems-only restaurants, etc. Trumpnazis make salads wilt, meat become tasteless, milk spoil, butter curdle - it's the evil that flows around them wherever they go.
And I have to admit, it's really HARD to be in such a good mood when I see things like this..
MONTAGE: MEDIA TURNING TRUMP VOTERS INTO PUBLIC ENEMY NO. 1
‘If you vote for Trump, then you, the voter, you, not Donald Trump, are standing at the border, like Nazis’
https://news.grabien.com/story-montage-media-turning-trump-voters-public-enemy-no-1
And it's DOUBLY hard to remain in a good mood because I know that, with one, two, possibly three exceptions, everyone else here feels the EXACT same way...
That is sad...
But I won't let it get me down...
Personally I'm warming up to Dems-only restaurants, etc.
Blatant discrimination that violates anti-discrimination laws..
So, of course, you approve of NO GAYS ALLOWED bakeries and restaurants and bars, right???
Of course you don't...
Blatantly hypocritical...
Kicking a few people out of restaurants can be satisfying but that won’t get it done. It might not even be legal. David Cole, the national legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union, tells the website Law & Crime restaurateurs tempted to follow the Red Hen’s crusade to restore morality to America through fine cuisine and gustatory piety, that public-accommodations laws prohibit businesses that are open to the public from discriminating against people based on certain characteristics is risky.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/25/barking-mad-and-proud-of-it/
Yea, discrimination is perfectly acceptable if it comes from the Left...
Here's a great idea for the hysterical NTs...
WHy don't they insist that Trump supporters wear something distinctive on their clothing..
A yellow star, perhaps.. THAT way the hysterical NeverTrumpers will know who the Trump Supporters are...
And such an idea leaves the hysterical NTs in good company.. :^/
I tell ya, it's crazy..
Democrats haven't been this mad at Republicans since President Lincoln freed the slaves.
Off topic, but I see SCOTUS says CA San Fran Dems/Libs can't sue oil companies for " global warming", even if it were real!
I don't suppose the case hinged on the fact, but Dems/Libs need to understand that it's not the extraction of oil that puts CO2 in the air , it's the BURNING thereof, and NOBODY burns more oil than CA!!!
[34] neilm: The Tampermonkey script really helps - when the comment is "closed" you can scroll right past it.
Why would you want to do that?
CRS [74] NOBODY burns more oil than CA!!!
You just know CRS is wrong again, don't you.
Well, as usual, it is like shooting fish in a barrel (pun intended).
CA is #41 state in the U.S. in oil consumption per capita.
But, but, you say, CRS means total oil consumption. This is even sadder for CRS - CA is #2 behind TX - and it isn't even close:
#1 TX: 1,386.8 million barrels (3.8M bbl/day)
#2 CA: 671.9 million barrels (1.8M bbl/day)
Needless to say, when you include the World, CA isn't even in the top 10, despite being the fifth largest economy (e.g. #10 Canada 2.4M bbl/day).
Remember, this guy's vote counts the same as yours and this is his level of education. Even more fun is that he regularly comments how only he understands economics around here.
Sad.
BTW, the research for comment [77] above took me less than 5 minutes. And that included triple checking the sources.
CRS,
Yea, I posted that above, I think...
Judge throws out SF and Oakland climate suits against big oil
But Alsup, who works in the court’s Northern District of California, opined that the world has undoubtedly benefited from fossil fuels, from the industrial revolution to today’s modern conveniences. The bench, he determined, was not in a position to weigh the industry’s positives against the negative.
“Having reaped the benefit of that historic progress, would it really be fair to now ignore our own responsibility in the use of fossil fuels and place the blame for global warming on those who supplied what we demanded?” he wrote. “Is it really fair, in light of those benefits, to say that the sale of fossil fuels was unreasonable?”
Democrats want to cry and scream and whine about big oil, but they don't want to give up their gas guzzlers, their private jets and their modern conveniences..
The judge basically called the plaintiffs a whiny bunch of hypocrites...
Liz,
Why would you want to do that?
Some people just can't handle the facts.. :D
BTW, the research for comment [77] above took me less than 5 minutes. And that included triple checking the sources.
I find it suspicious that you don't SHARE your sources... :D
Speaking of tariffs..
Motorcycle tariffs and Harley-Davidson: Lessons from the last time
Lemmy Mar 05, 2018 129 Comments
Motorcycle sales have dropped drastically. Pundits are saying the cause has a lot to do with a change in the preferences of the up-and-coming adult generation. The downturn is hitting Harley-Davidson harder than the full-line manufacturers. The president is talking forcefully about unfair trade practices.
Sound familiar?
It may sound like news from today, but I’m actually describing the American landscape 35 years ago. Not all riders know that H-D was on the financial skids in the early 1980s, and of the ones who do, not all understand fully what steps the government took to shield Harley-Davidson and and why. With motorcycles once again being talked about as part of trade disputes, let's look back at the last time around.
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/motorcycle-tariffs-and-harley-davidson
HD LOVED tariffs back when it was to their benefit...
VINDICATION: THY NAME IS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/26/supreme-court-upholds-trump-travel-ban-on-some-muslim-majority-nations.html
:D
Michale,
Some people just can't handle the facts.. :D
And, some other people just can't dish them out.
And, some other people just can't dish them out.
Absolutely.. We saw that in the last commentary regarding the Colorado baker...
That's why I am scrupulous about my facts and separating them from my opinion..
Like I did in comment #55...
That's why I am scrupulous about my facts and separating them from my opinion..
You don't always know the difference. And even when you do, you usually leave out the full fledge of the facts, you know, to suit you narrow purpose.
Damn.
So this is how the Right wants to play it, eh? Play 'the victim' while creating actual victims at the border. Slick. Makes sense. Facing an 'enthusiasm gap' that was threatening to gut their House majority, the Fox cox decided to use a few strident statements from the other side to make their gullibles feel threatened in the hope that THAT would motivate them to vote (even if Trump policy doesn't).
As for 'winning' in the Supreme Court, I'd remind everyone that Merrick Garland would have voted differently, so it isn't a win, it's a steal.
So, business as usual today. No surprises here.
You don't always know the difference.
Of course, not ALWAYS... But I make more of an effort than most people...
And even when you do, you usually leave out the full fledge of the facts, you know, to suit you narrow purpose.
Again, no more than anyone else does..
I mean, I could post entire articles, but such a practice is frowned upon.
I keep my purposes narrow to keep my comments brief.. :D
So this is how the Right wants to play it, eh? Play 'the victim' while creating actual victims at the border. Slick. Makes sense. Facing an 'enthusiasm gap' that was threatening to gut their House majority, the Fox cox decided to use a few strident statements from the other side to make their gullibles feel threatened in the hope that THAT would motivate them to vote (even if Trump policy doesn't).
How is your Sour Grape Whine??? Tart???
Want some cheese?? :D
As for 'winning' in the Supreme Court, I'd remind everyone that Merrick Garland would have voted differently, so it isn't a win, it's a steal.
Let the poor deceased equine rest in peace, dood..
McConnell made a calculated play and it paid off...
You really should step away from the Sour Grape Whine... :D
Stephen Moore: The State of the American Worker — Never Better
Last week, I testified before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce on the state of the American labor market. I summarized my message in one sentence: For American workers, the job market has never — or at least seldom — been better. If you don't have a job, go out and get one, because jobs are out there for the taking.
Everyone knows the joyous statistics, of the lowest unemployment rate in two decades, the lowest black and Hispanic unemployment rates in three decades (at least), a record number of Americans today who are working, and 5 million bonuses paid out to middle-income Americans this year.
President Donald Trump boasts about the job market almost daily, and deservedly so. Several of the Democrats on the committee kept disparaging the Trump tax reform as the "tax scam" for the rich. That was a good sound bite a year ago, but do they still want to stick with that message today when about two-thirds of Americans rate the economy as "good" or "great"? This is called leading with your chin.
https://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/workers-better-off-than-ever/
Democrats are going to get creamed in November... :D
So, business as usual today. No surprises here.
Yep, no surprises here..
President Trump is doing awesome and Democrats are playing desperate defense.. :D
[88] Balthasar: As for 'winning' in the Supreme Court, I'd remind everyone that Merrick Garland would have voted differently, so it isn't a win, it's a steal.
They only win by cheating.
Also all the FOX-"News" agitating works ONLY on deplorable morons who are already cemented trumpnazis. FOX can howl into the wind and echo off the empty chambers were the pod-people's brains used to be.
The un-deplorable repubs who continue to support this administration are even more reprehensible because they are doing it out of stone-cold greed and selfishness. Shun them.
Repubs who've seen the light? Welcome them.
The un-deplorable repubs who continue to support this administration are even more reprehensible because they are doing it out of stone-cold greed and selfishness. Shun them.
Repubs who've seen the light? Welcome them.
Translation: People who think like us... Welcome them... People who don't think like us?? Attack them and their families.. Hurt them and their families.. KILL them and their families..
Gee... THAT will garner the Democrats votes in November.. :D
How is your Sour Grape Whine? Tart?
Dry, actually. Thanks for asking. I've also got a nice Rosé for the day after the midterms, but don't worry, I've saved you a Blush. heh
I will also eventually enjoy the Amontillado, stored down in that place where Trump is busily bricking-up the reputation of the Republican party. He's making great progress there, too.
With regards to the SCOTUS, it's likely that Democrats will also lose in the JANUS case...
Once again, the wisdom of McConnell's gambit is clear for all to see....
And, if Kennedy or RBG retires.... Watch for Democrats to get even more hysterical and violent...
People who don't think like us?? Attack them and their families.. Hurt them and their families.. KILL them and their families..
I wonder: is it projection when it is also fantasy wish fulfillment? Paula didn't write that, so it must be.
Dry, actually. Thanks for asking. I've also got a nice Rosé for the day after the midterms, but don't worry, I've saved you a Blush. heh
Heh Touche... It IS going to be interesting after the midterms, eh? If you want a preview, read the comments from 9 and 10 Nov 2016... :D
I will also eventually enjoy the Amontillado, stored down in that place where Trump is busily bricking-up the reputation of the Republican party. He's making great progress there, too.
So yer claiming that the GOP had a GOOD reputation BEFORE Trump???
Shirley, you jest.. :D
The Left is going to hate the Right no matter what.. To try and blame it on Trump is disingenuous at best..
And, if Kennedy or RBG retires.... Watch for Democrats to get even more hysterical and violent
Don't have to. We now have 'McConnell's Gambit' to fall back on. You can't move the goalpost that far and expect it to be put back when the sides flip.
No confermo for yoo.
neilm
What's GENUINELY sad is that the nitpicker-in-chief here is sufficiently bored to care whether CA is No.1 or No.2 in oil consumption.
Don't have to. We now have 'McConnell's Gambit' to fall back on. You can't move the goalpost that far and expect it to be put back when the sides flip.
Ahhhhhh So, then... When push comes to shove, ya'all act EXACTLY as you accuse the GOP of acting, is that it??
So, every nasty vile thing you have said about the GOP will be true of Democrats..
I am glad I got you on record with that. :D
But, there IS a slight problem with your plan...
You have to A> Hope that RBG or Kennedy retire AFTER the midterms and 2> you have to actually take the Senate.. AND even CW says that's going to be very VERY difficult.. :D
[100] Stuck-being-a-troll:
So you mock neilm for actually getting facts.
For the smelling-salt crowd: shunning can be done perfectly politely. It's a simple matter of telling any Repubs you know who are still supporting the criminal-in-chief and his violent, armed & dangerous deplorable gangs that you cannot associate with people who support a criminal POTUS with immoral policies, nor can you associate with ppl who back complicit Repubs. Wish them well and tell them you'll see them when this is over, assuming you or they are still alive. Then drop them from your life as much as you can.
Nazi-supporters, excusers, rationalizers have forfeited the right to social acceptance in this country. Repubs who want it both ways - want to be able to support DT or other compliant Repub leaders who support/defend/excuse nazis have likewise forfeited the right to social acceptance.
Repubs have told us for years - through their rhetoric and through their support of the most vile propagandists and conspiracy theorists and through their vicious legislation and voter suppression efforts - that they hate us and want to hurt us. We don't have to enable them hurting us - certainly not when we have choices. It's really that simple.
Shirley, you jest.. :D
Oh, but I do not jest mon frère aîné, I merely point out that Trump has already exceeded the low expectations that we had for the party that crashed the economy in 2008.
And don't call me Shirley...
You have to a.) Hope that RBG or Kennedy retire AFTER the midterms...
pffft! Only five months away..
and 2> you have to actually take the Senate..
Or get close, then flip a few GOP senators, which has been getting easier every day, thanks to Trump.
When push comes to shove, ya'all act EXACTLY as you accuse the GOP of acting, is that it?
Oh, no. We'd be have much more style and panache than the party of nope.
and 2> you have to actually take the Senate..
oop. accidentally hit 'submit' before I'd finished. Oh well, I'll leave it at that.
Oh, no. We'd be have much more style and panache than the party of nope.
Yea, you threaten harassment and violence against those who refuse to toe your line..
Ya'all are like the Ori...
Ya'all are like the Ori...
Apologies...
That SHOULD read, "The Democrat Party is like the Ori..."
Yea, I am binge watching SG1.. Up to Season 9 :D
It just hit me how apropos the comparison is..
"BELIEVE AS WE BELIEVE OR DIE!!!"
-The ORI and The Democrat Party...
Amazing...
Has anybody else noticed that CW hasn't set foot in the comments section for quite some time? Maybe I'm reading too much into his absence, but
I don't know anybody who enjoys chopping through a thicket just to find another thicket waiting at the other side. Not to mention the itchy pests and parasites.
Balthasar-105
You wouldn't be typing on a tiny glass screen would you? Possibly with a dog or cat crawling over you?
Yea, I have noticed that too.. And last Monday or so he said he was going to address the comments from the previous Friday but never did..
It's possible that the dark turn that the Democrats and NeverTrumpers have taken has got him down...
Awwww, that can't be it.. :D
TS,
Don't tell me you can't guess why CW has stayed out of the comments, finally!
Hint: it's the itchy parasites and pests or their human equivalent.
They can be itchy, too, presumably.
Paula,
We don't have to enable them hurting us - certainly not when we have choices. It's really that simple.
Instead of always going on about the president and his party, I wish you would say more about those choices and what the Democrats' strategy should be.
EM-111
Rhetorical question on my part. Pests and parasites are annoying, but so is simply the increased weediness of trollsome comments - more posts plus longer posts. Just scrolling from top to bottom takes a while...even if you read none of it. I block, CW doesn't have that option. The pests and parasites are saboteurs.
Liz,
Hint: it's the itchy parasites and pests or their human equivalent.
No offense, in case you were wondering.. :D
Instead of always going on about the president and his party, I wish you would say more about those choices and what the Democrats' strategy should be.
She can't, Liz...
They don't HAVE anything positive for the Democrat Party..
It's ALL hate, ALL the time...
TS,
Rhetorical question on my part. Pests and parasites are annoying, but so is simply the increased weediness of trollsome comments - more posts plus longer posts. Just scrolling from top to bottom takes a while...even if you read none of it. I block, CW doesn't have that option. The pests and parasites are saboteurs.
This is what freedom and democracy is...
You want FASCISM....
I think it's safe to say that THAT will never happen in Weigantia...
Tough cookies for you...
TS,
(do we know your actual name? I have a bad memory, mercifully)
There is nothing wrong with the quantity or length of comments (best part about this site is no word limit!) here at CW.com.
We would agree that it is the quality of the comments that are generated here that dictate the atmosphere here - welcoming or not, intelligent or childish.
If we were to look through the comments sections over the last long while, we would see an increasing level of unhelpful, nasty, and asinine comments, proportional to the non-adherence to the facts of the matter. Eliminating these useless comments - and I am not suggesting we do any such thing - would leave, I believe, no more than a couple dozen or so substantive comments worth reading through and responding to.
No offense, in case you were wondering.. :D
None taken, of course. :)
None taken, of course. :)
Exactly..
I follow Sarek...
"There can be no offense where none is taken"
:D
Michale,
Boo hoo! Let’s all focus on a person who has lied constantly to the American people about her dictator-wanna-be’s xenophobic-inspired policy of treating asylum seekers crossing the border without proper documentation like dangerous felons not getting her fancy meal and completely ignore the ten month old stripped from his parents two months ago who has spent 1/5th of his young life without his parents, sleeping under a foil sheet!
You seem upset that I said that you should hope that karma doesn’t treat your grandchild with the same lack of concern and disdain that you seem to have for the over 2000 children Trump chose to abuse in the hopes that it would make him look tough.
The owner of the Red Hen wasn’t acting as a Democratic operative when she asked her staff if they wanted her to ask Huckabee to leave. She was acting as a concerned and empathetic boss looking to support her staff. She was also acting as a citizen who could not sit back and watch our government abuse those who came to our shores seeking refuge for the crime of....seeking refuge.
Sanders, Miller, and Nielsen were NOT random members of Trump’s administration that were the subject of protesters. They faced a public that could no longer accept their actions to terrorize innocent children in the name of political propaganda. You don’t see Gen. Mattis or Rod Rosenstein being targeted by protesters.
Sadly, you are blinded by your belief that everyone but you is motivated by partisan loyalty. Your actions show that you are the one blinded from reality, wouldn’t you agree. And if you don’t deny this, I must assume that any future denial must be taken as a pitiful attempt to cover up the ugly truth. By your silence over the ten seconds it took me to write this, it is clear that you are admitting that you are a slave to all things Trump. Let everyone be aware of Michale’s brave confession by his silence!
You seem upset that I said that you should hope that karma doesn’t treat your grandchild with the same lack of concern
Seem upset?? Apparently I wasn't clear.
I am infuriated that you would drag my grandchildren into your rage...
That's the lowest of the low, right there with Peter Fonda advocating the kidnapping of the President's 11yr old son and throwing him in a cage with pedophiles..
But that's where YOU and your fellow Democrats are right now...
All the rest of your self-serving diatribe is nothing but a weak and pathetic attempt to justify the unjustifiable...
Peter Fonda is perfectly representative of you Democrats..
Own it...
This is what the GOP has wrought: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/6/26/1775578/-Citizen-asks-raging-fellow-citizen-Why-do-you-hate-us-Because-you-re-Mexican-she-replies
This woman is horrifying. These kinds of ppl were unleashed by DT and sicced on the population. Shun them. Shame them.
[122] Listen: Sadly, you are blinded by your belief that everyone but you is motivated by partisan loyalty. Your actions show that you are the one blinded from reality, wouldn’t you agree. And if you don’t deny this, I must assume that any future denial must be taken as a pitiful attempt to cover up the ugly truth. By your silence over the ten seconds it took me to write this, it is clear that you are admitting that you are a slave to all things Trump. Let everyone be aware of Michale’s brave confession by his silence!
Yep.
Several of the Democrats on the committee kept disparaging the Trump tax reform as the "tax scam" for the rich. That was a good sound bite a year ago, but do they still want to stick with that message today when about two-thirds of Americans rate the economy as "good" or "great"? This is called leading with your chin.
Well, seeing how the majority of those tax reforms won’t go into effect until next year’s filing, claiming it is responsible for people’s approval of today’s economy is called leading with your ASS!
This is what the GOP has wrought:
This is what you Democrats have wrought..
“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere.”
-Maxine Waters
This is what you Democrats have wrought..
Virginia shooting: gunman was leftwing activist with record of domestic violence
James “Tom” Hodgkinson, the gunman who shot congressman Steve Scalise during an attack on a Republican congressional baseball practice session on Wednesday, was a leftwing political activist with a record of domestic violence.
"We should rip Barron Trump from his mother's arms and put him in a cage with pedophiles and see if mother will will stand up against the giant asshole she is married to. 90 million people in the streets on the same weekend in the country. FUCK!"
That is YOUR Democrat Party in the here and now, Paula...
OWN IT..
Well, seeing how the majority of those tax reforms won’t go into effect until next year’s filing, claiming it is responsible for people’s approval of today’s economy is called leading with your ASS!
And yet, according to polls that you love so much, the MAJORITY of Americans APPROVE of President Trump's handling of the economy..
Forget LEADING WITH YOUR ASS...
You are TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!!
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Michale,
I am infuriated that you would drag my grandchildren into your rage...
That's the lowest of the low, right there with Peter Fonda advocating the kidnapping of the President's 11yr old son and throwing him in a cage with pedophiles..
Rage??? How is my hoping that your grandchild never experiences the same treatment that you brazenly claimed to support as if it were some badge of honor in your zeal for praising the manliness of your glorious leader. If that is “rage”, then that’s more about you than it is me. If that truly equates in your mind to wishing your grandchild is abducted and thrown in a cage with pedophiles, then again that is a helluva lot more about you and has nothing to do with me.
Asshole,
How is my hoping that your grandchild never experiences the same treatment that you brazenly claimed to support as if it were some badge of honor in your zeal for praising the manliness of your glorious leader.
What part of FAMILIES ARE OFF LIMITS, do you not understand, douche bag??
Paula is the embodiment of the Democrat's strategy.
A-frakin'-men to THAT.....
The Paula/PeterFonda strategy is alive and well in the Democrat Party...
[130] Don: And all you exist to do is weaken Dems and you don't even do that effectively.
Nazis are in the WH. Stephen Miller is a nazi who is running the immigration program.
The reality RIGHT NOW is midterms are coming and Dems will either retake the house and senate, or one or the other, or neither. And the results of Dem failure - if they fail or elections are tampered with - will be much, much worse than what we're already facing. We don't have the luxury of 3rd parties - your choice is Dem or GOP-traitors. And your idea has no legs and will in no way impact the upcoming election, and it wouldn't even if CW or anyone else here wrote about it every day from now until election day.
And I am completely confident you will simply continue to bleat about your go-nowhere-idea because that's all you do. Carry on. Tuning out.
Nazis are in the WH.
The HARD RIGHT is in the WH, and they might as well be Nazis, because they have seem to prefer them as dinner guests, along with the bigots, the plutocrats, the kleptocrats, the dictators, the gun nut lobby, the misogynists, the 'alt-right', the survivalists, the hypocritical religious right, the mob, the conspiracy theorists, and the hopelessly gullible Fox viewers.
It's a buffet of deplorables, for sure.
Gee, I seem to remember that someone warned us about that a long time ago...
TS [109] - No, but you'd think so, considering all of the editing mistakes I've made today. Thinking too hard about content, not enough about mechanics is my excuse, though I do have two adorable cats distracting me constantly...
Gee, I seem to remember that someone warned us about that a long time ago...
Yes, which is one of the reasons we have Trump in the WH.
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I like my privacy. I'll share thoughts, not name and address. Too many risks, as certain people around this blog have found. I never even reuse an alias-search engines are very powerful tools. This habit goes back to the pre-internet....I was one of those
"Name and address withheld by request" types when I wrote letters to the newspaper...that goes all the way back to my dad. Absolute security is not possible - but plausible deniability is a realistic goal for most practical purposes. It keeps cranks away from my door and I still try and pick up small consulting projects that interest me. Politics plus internet is bad for business....or keeping your day job if you have one.
What part of FAMILIES ARE OFF LIMITS, do you not understand, douche bag??
Says the man idolizing the authoritarian who ripped thousands of children from their parents not out of cruelty, but supposedly to send the message that the US no longer welcomes refugees. Maybe your beef should be with him IF you believe that strongly that FAMILIES ARE OFF LIMITS? Or is that only YOUR family?
If the purpose of this policy was to deter people from trying to enter our country without documentation, how was anyone supposed to gain knowledge of the policy until it was too late? Funny, they failed to announce the warning until a month AFTER they started ripping kids from their parents’ arms. Now how were those parents supposed to have known that they risked having their children taken if they sought asylum here if our government failed to warn anyone that this was happening? They waited until over a thousand were in custody before ever telling the world what was happening. This was never about sending a message of strength, this was about torturing those that Trump feels are inferior to him.
still [133]: The reality RIGHT NOW is midterms are coming and Dems will either retake the house and senate, or one or the other, or neither. And the results of Dem failure - if they fail or elections are tampered with - will be much, much worse than what we're already facing.
If anyone wants to know what Democrats are thinking these days, I'd say 'Midterms' pretty much sums it up.
Now prepare yourself: someone made the point tonight that interference and fake news in the upcoming election will likely take the form of "compromat", as the Russians call it - dirt and fabrications about democratic candidates, as well as continuing their ongoing effort to divide Democrats ideologically. In the absence of a national policy to secure the voting process (the opposite, in fact being sadly true), Democrats will have to stay alert, wary, and united throughout. Stay focused, and quadruple-check every accusation made about every Democrat. Talk back. Resistance is a good thing - we shouldn't let the media con us again into thinking that fighting the basterds on their own terms is 'unseemly'. There's nothing unseemly about standing up for what's right. It's even a bit sexy..
[136] Yes, which is one of the reasons we have Trump in the WH.
Oh, that's right, you didn't like Hillary regardless of the fact that she was right about Trump (and a good number of other things as well).
Too bad. But as her favorite song says, yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone, and the deplorables are there. In force. So poo on you.
I'm thinkin' about tomorrow.
[139] Balthasar: Yes I am acutely aware that interference of various kinds is in the cards. Here's hoping Dems at least won't be sitting ducks this time - I will be doing my part to keep those I can reach alert.
Resistance is a good thing - we shouldn't let the media con us again into thinking that fighting the basterds on their own terms is 'unseemly'. There's nothing unseemly about standing up for what's right. It's even a bit sexy..
Yep! People on the right seem to specialize in sexual hangups and bad lovers. No wonder all the sad-little-pubbies in DC are unhappy Dems won't date them - they're stuck having to have sex with other Repubs and are understandably disappointed.
TS
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I like my privacy. I'll share thoughts, not name and address. Too many risks, as certain people around this blog have found.
You are so correct, TS. After years of training and learning through OTJ simulation as well as hands-on experience, I would give this comment my hightest endorsement.
Also too... do not underestimate how fun it can be to just make up a name and throw it out there and laugh with delight every time a board parasite and/or troll whines your alias ad nauseam and/or incessantly as if doing so has any meaning whatsoever.
Good times... for sure.
It's also interesting to note the tenor of comments that are hurled in your general direction by the social media trolls when you choose to post as a one gender as opposed to another. Yes, sir. Bigotry takes many forms. If you'd like to experience this in action... pretend you're a female. :)
Balthasar
Now prepare yourself: someone made the point tonight that interference and fake news in the upcoming election will likely take the form of "compromat", as the Russians call it - dirt and fabrications about democratic candidates, as well as continuing their ongoing effort to divide Democrats ideologically.
Absolutely and 100% correct... except that it's "kompromat"... with a "k"... also known as "dezinformatsia"... active measures.
The Kremlin has longed for many decades for another US civil war. Be wary of Russian trolls fomenting division in social media; they've never left. Much of the kompromat and dezinformatsia occurs among what you presume are those sympathetic to your cause. Think along the lines of what was referred to as the "Bernie Bros"... using provocative language towards female posters in order to silence their views. Look for similar behavior and do not allow them to divide you.
Their aim is to create chaos. They were alive and well in Charlottesville, Berkeley, etc. Many of the protests and the riots are staged by Americans doing the bidding of Russians both wittingly and unwittingly. Do not allow their rhetoric to divide you. They want a spectacle; however, do not allow them to cause one amongst you.
Another rant officially over. :)
I'm thinkin' about tomorrow.
Excellent!
I'm thinkin' about tomorrow.
And yet, you and your fellow Democrats are re-fighting 2016 over and over and over and over again..
Let me put it this way..
Advocation of harassment and violence against Trump supporters will cause the Democrats to lose the midterms and lose BIGTIME..
It'll be 1968 all over again...
Many of the protests and the riots are staged by Americans doing the bidding of Russians both wittingly and unwittingly.
And many of the riots and protests were by Left Wingers, doing the bidding of the Russians....
I like my privacy. I'll share thoughts, not name and address. Too many risks, as certain people around this blog have found.
Yea, it's a shame you actually have to be concerned about that..
That's another difference between Weigantia of today and Weigantia of 8-10 years ago..
Back then, we didn't have to worry about opposition research and having our families dragged into all the hate and anger...
Kick-142
Misogyny is certainly no secret on web forums.
As you well know, our three trolls have handed out their virtual business cards on the web. Two know it, or should know it, the other may or may not. Long ago, a very little cross referencing (and I do mean little, couple of minutes each) and it was pretty clear to me that none of them are professional grade political operatives, and why would a professional bother with CW.com when there are far more lucrative targets on densely linked social media such as YouTube (the kingdom of click bait), Twitter and Facebook?
Trolls, I have zero interest in handing out your personal info, if no other reason than you have already done a perfectly good job of outing (f-ing?) yourselves. Sleep easy.
TS
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Trolls, I have zero interest in handing out your personal info, if no other reason than you have already done a perfectly good job of outing (f-ing?) yourselves. Sleep easy.
I know, right?! Never in my entire life have I met a competent law enforcement officer who would routinely post the information of his family multiple times on a website wherein he knew full well that articles and comments are archived on a regular basis for the entire world to read from the minute it is posted until an unspecified time well into the future.
Setting aside any claimed "law enforcement" or other type credentials they profess, you would think that common sense would somehow factor into the trolls' decision to post personal information on a forum wherein they routinely claim their expertise in all manner of things while trolling the other commenters on the board. I mean... what would anybody or any troll with two brain cells to rub together think would happen in such a scenario of their own making? Alas and as they say, common sense is not so common.
Additionally, when everyone has access to your personal information because you made the choice to keep posting it ad nauseam, why on Earth would you whine incessantly about being the victim when... in fact... you're the obvious moron?
If people are going to post endlessly about their wife, their family, their past, their future, their vacations... you name it... even days ago someone providing their email address to everyone in the world with a keyboard and an Internet connection... and still whine endlessly about their victimhood and their family being "dragged" into comments, they might at least check their mirror and say hello to the moron who made that decision and maybe stop with all the phony aggrievement and ridiculous whining about having their family "dragged" into it when they're the one who keeps supplying the rope!
TS
This, mind you, is a quote from a trolling type who claims endlessly to have law enforcement bona fides yet is seemingly totally unaware that he's posting his personal information to anyone in the entire world with a keyboard and an Internet connection.
I wonder where the trolling type poster thinks Weigantia resided 8-10 years ago if not on the Internet... available to everyone.
Again with the "back then" proclamation as if Weigantia didn't reside on the Internet that was and has always been available to anyone with a keyboard and an Internet connection, and I wonder who the trolling types believe are the primary purveyor of all the... his words... "hate and anger" if not the trolling type posters?
It's a mind boggling display of stupidity and recklessness from a poster who regularly trolls the other posters in "Weigantia" with comments about guns and killing Democrats. I mean honestly, I'm not at all sure why any poster such as this would expect any other outcome, and I cannot fathom why that poster would continue to whine incessantly about himself being anyone's victim.
This is yet another one of those multitude of instances where a little self-awareness and a big mirror would go a long way to identifying the crux of the problem. :)
Kick-150
I think the psychology of trolling is akin to that of slot machines. You spend hours sitting in a dimly lit room, bathed in pink noise, snacks and drinks are handy. You never know what your payout is going to be, you get a small win, then a run of nothing. A player close by lets out a whoop - a big payout. "I'm better than that," you say. Somebody hit the jackpot yesterday. The hours roll by but seem like mere minutes.
It's a chemical addiction, but it's your brain manufacturing the chemicals. The internet is really good at manufacturing brain based addictions.