Is Manafort About To Flip?
Paul Manafort, now an eight-time convicted felon, could be considering cutting a deal with Bob Mueller to avoid his second (and more serious) federal trial. The Wall Street Journal (not exactly a left-wing news source) is reporting that Manafort's team already explored the possibility of such a plea deal during the four-day period when the jury in his first trial was still deliberating. The plea talks broke down and no deal emerged, but the fact that such a discussion took place at all shows that Manafort's legal team knows full well the serious jeopardy their client is in. Today it was also reported that Manafort's second trial will be delayed for one week, at the request of the defense. Could the extra week be to work out a plea deal before the second trial even begins? Speculation is running rampant on that very question.
It's a little-known fact among the general public, but almost all felony criminal cases never actually go to trial. On the state level, defendants in 94 percent of such cases reach a plea bargain rather than risking a trial. In federal felony cases, that statistic rises to a whopping 97 percent. Not exactly the stuff of television courtroom drama, but the fact is that actual trials for felonies are relatively rare. Most people, when faced with overwhelming evidence of their guilt of a serious crime, decide to go for the plea bargain rather than rolling the dice in court.
Paul Manafort's cases are not normal ones, though. They're about as high-profile as you can get. However, even Bob Mueller's team has already chalked up a track record of reaching plea bargains rather than going to trial. Manafort, in fact, is really the only person targeted so far who has insisted on his day in court. Everyone else has accepted a plea bargain for lesser crimes, in order to tell Mueller what they know about more serious crimes. That's a big part of all of these bargains -- you have to tell everything you know, and whatever you have to say has to be an important link in the other cases Mueller is building. That's the quid pro quo of being allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge and work out a reduced sentence.
Manafort's hand got a whole lot weaker when the jury brought back the eight "guilty" verdicts against him, of course. His legal team will now be arguing from a much weaker position than they were in before the jury reached its decisions. In any plea deal discussions held while the jury was still out, Manafort's lawyers could argue that since the jury was taking so long, it was probably bad news for the prosecution. That argument is now null and void. Manafort is facing a whopping 80 years of confinement for the crimes he's been found guilty of, although most legal experts estimate that the actual sentence may be on the order of 7-to-10 years in the pokey. That's the bargaining position Manafort now finds himself in. At best, he might obtain a plea deal that would reduce that down to somewhat less than five years in prison, since he's already been convicted. That's now his best-case scenario in any plea bargain attempt his lawyer's might make.
But, of course, the bigger trial is looming. So Manafort's team now has to bargain not just for the eight convictions, but also against the possibility of more felony convictions (if the second trial goes as badly for them as the first did). This puts Mueller in the catbird seat in these negotiations, quite obviously.
The plea deal talks while the jury was out fell apart, and no deal was reached. The Wall Street Journal, however, did not manage to obtain a copy of any plea deal offered by either side. So we have no idea how these talks actually went. Did the defense offer up a deal that was laughably lenient (something like: no jail time, Manafort only answers certain questions from Mueller's team) and Mueller rejected it? Did the prosecution offer up a deal that was incredibly harsh, since the defense had waited so long to enter into plea negotiations? Anyone who has seen any episode of Law And Order knows that the power center in such negotiations shifts back and forth, depending on which side feels it has the stronger legal hand at the moment. What might have been acceptable pre-trial will not be agreed to after the case has been presented, in other words. The goalposts will have moved, in one direction or the other. Without knowing the details of what was offered and which side turned it down, it's impossible to know exactly who was overestimating their legal position. Given the eight convictions, however, it's probably not a stretch to assume it was the defense lawyers who were a wee bit overconfident.
But now Manafort's defense team has successfully pushed the second trial back a week. The stated reason for doing so was that they were still regrouping after the first trial, and needed more time to prepare their case for the second trial. This, incidentally, is going to push the case one more week closer to the midterm elections. The case will likely take at least two or three weeks, meaning the verdicts could come in just a few weeks (or even a few days, depending on how long the trial lasts) before America votes.
The political calendar aside, however, if the extra week is intended to hammer out a new plea deal, it means that Manafort's lawyers know that this is their last chance to strike any sort of advantageous deal with Mueller. If Manafort is convicted on further (and more serious) felonies, he'll be left without many cards to play. Mueller will (no doubt) demand to know what Manafort has to offer in the way of incriminating testimony against others, and he'll weigh the value of such testimony against the charges and convictions already looming over Manafort. Any deal he strikes will reflect the strength of his bargaining position, and may well also reflect on the seriousness of the testimony Manafort is offering in return.
If Manafort flips, it may be the final domino for Donald Trump's legal woes. Manafort telling what he knows, taken together with all the other plea bargains Mueller has already obtained, may give Mueller a crystal-clear picture of what went on in the Trump campaign. And if Manafort flips, a presidential pardon might not even help Donald Trump's legal position at all. If Trump were to issue a blanket pardon to Manafort for all crimes which he may have committed during the Trump campaign, it would have no practical effect at all after such a deal has been struck (other than to keep Manafort out of prison, that is). The Fifth Amendment only works if the person claiming it is still in legal jeopardy. The technical language used to "take the Fifth" explains this: "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it may tend to incriminate me." If you have already obtained a pardon for such crimes, then you have are left with no constitutional right to stand on. If you are not in legal jeopardy, then there is no valid constitutional reason not to testify what you know. This would be exactly the same as someone who had cut a plea deal which required such testimony -- either way, the jury will still get to hear what the guy has to say.
Donald Trump has had a particularly bad August, this year. He's seen former allies, former top aides, former campaign managers, former employees, and former (one assumes, now) friends all flip on him and tell federal prosecutors exactly what they know about Trump, Trump's campaign, Trump's finances, and Trump's businesses. Throughout it all, there has been only one person who has refuse to flip. Trump has lauded Manafort for standing strong against the urge to cut a deal, in fact. What will he do if Manafort cracks? If such a plea deal is reached, the public will find out about it in the next three weeks. August was indeed bad for Trump, but September may be even worse.
-- Chris Weigant
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I would not care if every single one of his associates, friends, relatives, etc. wound up in jail, 'cause I suspect they'r pretty much all crooks.
And for that matter, I would not care if HE winds up in jail, so long as it's not for the Dem/Lib invented "crime" of getting dirt on Hillary from anybody whatsoever. That's gotta be the inalienable right of EVERY politician.
Just posted some responses to yesterday's comments, for everyone's information:
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/27/defining-impeachable/#comment-125471
-CW
If Manafort does accept a plea deal and pleads guilty, that would only make it that much more harder for Trump to actually pardon him politically, than it already is. It is much easier to pardon someone when you can claim they did not get a fair trial, than it is to pardon someone who admitted their own guilt and didn't go to trial at all.
ah, the salad days of scooter libby...
I must admit, I'm looking forward to Bush's, Obama's and Biden's speeches on Saturday.
One last touch of class from McCain. He wasn't perfect, but he at least strived for class.
I'm so tired of "winning" when it actually means we have to listen to a yahoo telling us we are "winning" when in fact we are losing.
Treasonous Trump's redo of NAFTA with Mexico isn't even a deal - there are parts covered by trilateral agreements (i.e. Canada has to also agree before the "deal" can be ratified).
Also, when the right leaning (tipped over?) WSJ calls it "Half a NAFTA" you know the BS from 1600 Penn is even deeper then usual.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/half-a-nafta-1535413208
What a bunch of f'n idiots this clown and his duped supporters are. There is no hope for the core, but can the reasonably normal right winger PLEASE get a grip.
Two more potential potholes:
1. You didn't mention it, CW, but you know that Mueller's team could opt for another bite at the apple on the charges that the jury hung on in the first trial, and haul that banker from Chicago back into court to testify again. What're the odds that two juries won't find anything wrong with offering a top job at the Pentagon in return for a loan?
2. Part of a pardon is that the offender has to admit guilt to get one, so he can be compelled to testify if he's pardoned. I think that that's why Bush commuted Libby's sentence, rather than pardoning him outright - to keep Libby from being deposed again, this time without 5th amendment protection, and (by extension) to protect Cheney from a charge of treason, which has no statute of limitation on it. Must be prudent, as Bush Sr. used to like to say.
The upshot is that whether Manafort gets his pardon or not, he'll sit in jail for a long time, at least until Trump's on his way out the door. The Russians won't be happy if Manafort is later compelled to rat on them, whether that comes sooner or later, and that's probably no small deal for him either.
Paul Manafort, now an eight-time convicted felon, could be considering cutting a deal with Bob Mueller to avoid his second (and more serious) federal trial.
But is COMPLETELY INNOCENT of the majority of the irrelevant charges brought by Mueller..
So much for the "slam dunk" case, eh? :D
If Manafort flips, it may be the final domino for Donald Trump's legal woes.
ANOTHER "final domino"???
What's this one?? The 10th "final domino"?? The 20th?? The 100th???
Com'on....Wile E Coyote NEVER catches the Road Runner..
NEVER....
CW,
I know you normally don't follow up on yer follow-ups, but I was really hoping you could address this...
If the blue wave materializes, I think there will be GOPers who reconsider how close they're tying themselves to Trump's fortunes.
And if the Blue Wave becomes a Red Flow... err... I should probably rephrase that...
If the Blue Wave becomes a Red Stream.....?????
How will the GOP respond??
Once again, I am gabberflasted by ya'all's naivete and cluelessness...
This is like the MILLION'TH time ya'all have been giddy.. "NOW we have Trump RIGHT where we want him"
And it's ***ALWAYS*** ya'all who end up with nothing but yer wee-wees in yer hands...
As I said.. One would think ya'all would learn.. :D
This is JUST like the Cohen case.. Ya'all were positively GIDDY about the Cohen case..
"THIS WILL BE THE FINAL NAIL IN TRUMP'S COFFIN!!"......
Ya'all were SOOOOO excited...
Then we come to find it's ALL complete and utter bullshit...
And today, NO ONE wants to talk Cohen... :D
Funny how that ALWAYS happens, eh?? :D
CRS,
I would not care if every single one of his associates, friends, relatives, etc. wound up in jail, 'cause I suspect they'r pretty much all crooks.
Which pretty much describes nearly ALL politicians in DC, eh??
The fact that everyone here **ONLY** wants to go after the crooks with the -R after their names is proof positive that it's nothing but a Party slave hunt..
No one here REALLY cares about justice and criminal activity..
It's all NOTHING but a political bludgeon with which to beat people over the heads with..
That's ALL it is..
CW,
And you do realize, don't you, that we'll all be quoting you if the market heads south during Trump's term -- if you take the credit, then be prepared to accept the blame...
That's FINE...
But **ONLY** if ya'all give President Trump the credit NOW...
Because, if ya'all refuse to give the President CREDIT now, then logically, how can ya'all place the blame on President Trump if the economy heads south???
Logically, ya'all can't...
But, then again, logic has little to do with it..
It's ALL HHPTDS, ALL THE TIME... :D
So, if ya'all WANT to blame President Trump for some mythical future downturn...
Then ya'all better give him the credit now...
Otherwise, ya'all's hypocrisy will be obvious to all.. :D
See how it works?? :D
Russ,
(Pulled over from previous commentary)
Which prevents someone diagnosed with a mental illness from then purchasing a firearm... great!
And what about those that purchased a gun the day before having a psychological evaluation? That is why a gun registry is needed!
Which was the problem with the Assault Weapons ban...
But that didn't stop Dumbocrats from pushing it, eh??
But hay.... There is an easy solution..
Make it law that, if a person is deemed a mental health risk and doesn't voluntarily give up his guns (if any) and then it's discovered that he DIDN'T give up his guns, we can add a new charge..
That's JUST the same as your law except no registry is needed. A gun registry is a prelude to gun confiscation and as such, is unconstitutional..
There.. Everyone is happy... :D
You see, my way targets the PERSON who is actually breaking the law and leaves all the law abiding citizens free to exercise their Constitutional rights without government interference..
Easy Peezy Lemon Squeezy :D
Further, you need to consider the logistics..
You have over 100+ Million Americans who are gun owners and likely ALL of them are against gun registration based on Constitutional protections..
How are you going to FORCE them to register their guns??
Answer: You can't unless you decimate the 4th Amendment...
Regardless, there already is a national gun registry of sorts.. It's called ATF Form 4473 FIREARM TRANSACTION FORM..
There.. You have your national gun registry..
Now, yaddup... :D
JL,
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/27/defining-impeachable/#comment-125373
I made a bet with myself that you would come back with:
"The word I am thinking of, I can't say in front of pre-school toys"
-Woody, TOY STORY
I lost that bet.. :(
I miss the good ole days... :(
"I miss back when.."
-Tim McGraw
The fact that everyone here **ONLY** wants to go after the crooks with the -R after their names is proof positive that it's nothing but a Party slave hunt..
That should read...
The fact that everyone here **ONLY** wants to go after the crooks with the -R after their names is proof positive that it's nothing but a Party-slave WITCH hunt..
My bust...
But let's flip it, too. How about you admitting that the economy under Obama gained strength since the depths of the crash? Longest bull market in history, most of which happened under Obama. So where's your non-partisan, cross-party credit for that... hmmm?
Actually, I oft gave Obama credit for stabilizing the economy that had crashed under Bush...
But, let's face reality.. The economy didn't grow much under Obama, even though he tried to tout that it did.. Remember the "Summer Of Recovery" that fizzled??
But, Yes.. Obama deserves as much credit for stabilizing the economy as President Trump deserves for the exploding and roaring economy..
Which likely explains why Obama's and President Trump's approval numbers are nearly identical... :D
A fact NO ONE here wants to address..
Funny, iddn't it.. :D
OK, now you're making my case against you.
Actually it was the case I was making against Neil...
Glad to see you confirm it... :D
Speaking of roaring and exploding economy...
US consumer confidence rises to 18-year high
WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans’ consumer confidence rose in August to the highest level in nearly 18 years as their assessment of current conditions improved further and their expectations about the future rebounded.
The Conference Board reported Tuesday that its consumer confidence index rose to 133.4 in August, up from a reading 127.9 in July. It was the highest reading since confidence stood at 135.8 in October 2000.
https://apnews.com/a9444498173d4f42a52c83adb947fa74/US-consumer-confidence-rises-to-18-year-high
By ***ANY*** objective measure, President Trump is doing an AWESOME job as POTUS..
Imagine what he could accomplish for this country if he had an OBJECTIVE press doing it's job and an opposition Party who wasn't trying to nullify a free, fair and legal election..
Without all the headwinds, we probably would have colonized Alpha Centauri by now! :D
OK Gotta get ready for work.. :D Back in a bit..
And if the Blue Wave becomes a Red Flow... err... I should probably rephrase that...
If the Blue Wave becomes a Red Stream.....?????
How will the GOP respond??
More importantly, how will DEMOCRATS respond??? :D
"But is COMPLETELY INNOCENT of the majority of the irrelevant charges brought by Mueller.."
Not really accurate. He has not been acquitted of any charges, so he still stands "accused" of them. Per our criminal process, he is PRESUMED innocent, but that is different from ACTUAL innocence. That presumption of innocence is subject to change in any future trial of the charges for which he is still accused (as we saw with the other 8 charges of which he was originally presumed innocent as well, but has been found to have been guilty). Until a trial occurs in which a conclusive verdict is reached, he remains accused of the crimes with uncertainty remaining as to his guilt or innocence.
Consider this: if presumed innocence were the same as actual innocence, how could we hold the accused in jail pending their trial?
Not really accurate. He has not been acquitted of any charges, so he still stands "accused" of them.
Accused does not guilty make..
Per our criminal process, he is PRESUMED innocent, but that is different from ACTUAL innocence.
Actually, an American is INNOCENT until proven guilty in a court of law...
Manafort was not proven guilty in a court of law of those 10 charges....
Ergo, he is INNOCENT of those 10 charges..
If it appeases yer Party agenda to add the qualifier "presumed" by all means... SPIN AWAY...
Doesn't change the fact that Manafort is INNOCENT of those 10 charges..
Until a trial occurs in which a conclusive verdict is reached, he remains accused of the crimes with uncertainty remaining as to his guilt or innocence.
OK.. So your saying that Hillary Clinton is ACCUSED of crimes so there is uncertainty remaining as to her guilt or innocence...
Lemme help you out here..
"Oh... well... er... uh.... THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!"
You can spin it all you like..
But the FACT remains..
Manafort is INNOCENT of those 10 charges he is accused of..
Ask yourself?? Would you be making this argument if the person in question had a -D after their name??
Of course you wouldn't.. The Hillary Clinton example proves that..
So...... Here we are.. :D
In short, if you want to concede that Hillary Clinton is **PRESUMED** innocent of all the charges she is accused of, and not REALLY innocent of all those charges, then I'll be happy... no... ECSTATIC.. to accept that distinction as it pertains to Manafort...
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Yea.. That's what I thought...
Even shorter..
Hillary Clinton is PRESUMED innocent of all the charges against her. She is not ACTUALLY innocent..
If you want to concede that, I'll be happy to apply that to Manafort...
If you want to concede that, I'll be happy to apply that to Manafort...
I'll take that as a 'no'... :D
I heard Manafort offered OSC a deal, and Mueller turned him down. Sounds to me like they don't need what Manafort has to offer. They've got Flynn, Gates, Cohen, et alia so all the good seats are taken. :)
Anybody interested in the OSC's Exhibit List for Manafort's DC trial? Some of it is in Russian... so this spit is fixing to get real and go nuclear:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597.389.5.pdf
English:
Subject: urgent request
Subject: another dock for SV
Subject: a couple of pages
Subject: right now I'll send in Russian
I heard Manafort offered OSC a deal, and Mueller turned him down.
Facts to support??
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Yea.. That's what I thought...
neilm
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What a bunch of f'n idiots this clown and his duped supporters are. There is no hope for the core, but can the reasonably normal right winger PLEASE get a grip.
The "f'n idiots" think they're "insiders." They make up their own facts in exactly the same manner as the fabricating Con Artist-In-Chief and can't figure out why everyone doesn't see things their way and won't buy into their invented bullshit. The normal right wingers are catching on to the con. I watch the wheels slowly turning and facepalms every time the BLOTUS calls a presser and lies about his achievements that don't exist. For instance, recently he told a group of evangelical leaders that he got rid of the Johnson Amendment. Total lie, and they know it... so, yes... it's starting to sink in. :)
What a bunch of f'n idiots this clown and his duped supporters are. There is no hope for the core, but can the reasonably normal right winger PLEASE get a grip.
So you concede that there are "reasonable" and "normal" right wingers???
Funny.. When people are demonizing the entirety of the Right wing, you remain silent..
So, one can ONLY conclude that yer full of shit when you claim that there are "reasonable" and "normal" Right Wingers..
But, hay.. I'll play yer game..
Describe to me a "reasonable" and "normal" Right Winger...
I am betting to YOU, a "reasonable" and "normal" Right Winger agrees with everything you say... :^/
Michale
27
Your repetitive spew and dearth of ideas are again duly noted.
Yea.. That's what I thought...
Good luck convincing anyone on this blog that you can think; your constant stream of repetitive spew and seemingly cut-and-paste drivel is a plethora of evidence that you don't bother trying. :)
Good luck convincing anyone on this blog that you can think;
I am not the one who is suffering from HHPTDS....
Ya'all are acting a thousand times more hysterical than the GOP acted under Odumbo.
And THAT says something.. :D
Describe to me a "reasonable" and "normal" Right Winger
Better than that, I'll give you examples:
David Cameron
Chris Ladd
Republican gubernatorial nominee Ron DeSantis urged Floridians not to “monkey this up” by voting for his Democratic opponent, Andrew Gillum. Gillum is the first African-American gubernatorial nominee in Florida’s history.
Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up. Should make your vote easy Michale. So who are you voting for?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/desantis-to-floridians-dont-monkey-this-up-by-voting-for-andrew-gillum
Another example of rational Republicans:
Robert Mueller
Describe to me a "reasonable" and "normal" Right Winger
Better than that, I'll give you examples:
Now, that's not better..
I don't know them from Adam..
Describe to me a "reasonable" and "normal" Right Winger...
Another example of rational Republicans:
Robert Mueller
Really?? They guy who let a voracious child pornographer go with NOTHING more than 6 months house arrest??
THAT is your "rational" Republican??
Like I said... You ONLY choose Republicans that do or say what you WANT them to... :^/
Party slave to the end..
Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up. Should make your vote easy Michale.
Oh my vote was made easy when the Dumbocrats nominated the socialist who is under MASSIVE investigations for corruption..
Yunno.. CRIMES that ya'all condemn.. When a Republican commits them?? :^/
Do you HONESTLY believe your corrupt socialist has a chance??
Florida went overwhelmingly Trump...
Your scumbag corrupt socialist doesn't stand a chance...
Good luck convincing anyone on this blog that you can think
Michale is the dipstick in the crazy engine - he shows us just how low the sanity level is in the right wing.
Don't take much he says seriously, most of the time he is trolling.
As always, skip every comment he makes if there are more than one back-to-back. I call it the Michale Rule and if everybody adhered to it he'd realize that spamming us repeatedly is pointless.
Like I said... You ONLY choose Republicans that do or say what you WANT them to... :^/
Duh!
neilm
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Michale is the dipstick in the crazy engine - he shows us just how low the sanity level is in the right wing.
It takes a special kind of "dipstick" to spam another man's blog in repetitive fashion and troll its readers while whining incessantly that they have to prove something by posting to suit the troll. It's asinine.
As always, skip every comment he makes if there are more than one back-to-back. I call it the Michale Rule and if everybody adhered to it he'd realize that spamming us repeatedly is pointless.
I know, right!? If anybody wants to read right-wing conspiracy and fabricated fantasy from the lunatic fringe, we all have Internet connections and certainly don't need it spewed ad nauseam on this blog. Skip right over that bullshit. :)
Like I said... You ONLY choose Republicans that do or say what you WANT them to... :^/
Duh!
I am glad you agree that the ONLY Republican you consider "normal" or "rational" is a Republican who toes YOUR Party Slavery line..
As such, your completely bigoted opinion is not even worthy of noting...
I am glad we can agree on that..
Don't take much he says seriously, most of the time he is trolling.
Says the guy who ADMITS he only posts to push buttons.. IE Trolling...
Back pedal with "I NEVER SAID THAT" in 3... 2.... 1.....
President Trump
U.S. Workers Report Highest Job Satisfaction Since 2005
More jobs, fewer layoffs contribute to brighter career outlook
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-workers-report-highest-job-satisfaction-since-2005-1535544000
Making America GREAT Again... :D
Ya'all just can't stand the embarrassment!!! :D
So, Rudi for White House Lawyer?
"Sorry, Americans.. 2% Economic Growth Rate is the new normal... How is Trump going to fix that?? With a magic wand??"
-Barack Odumbo
US economy grew 4.2% in second quarter, faster than first reported
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-economy-grew-4-2-second-quarter-faster-005718383.html
"Abra-Cadabra, biatch!!"
-President Trump
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Odumbo and his sycophants are such lusers!! :D
Michale
35
Florida went overwhelmingly Trump...
IIRC, Trump won Florida by approximately 100,000 votes and around 1%. The right-wing fantasy definition of "overwhelmingly"!
So, Rudi for White House Lawyer?
So, still trying to dodge the fact that you blew the Cohen call... That Lanny Davis just threw President Trump a HUGE win and negated ANYTHING Cohen can say about President Trump??
:D
IIRC, Trump won Florida by approximately 100,000 votes and around 1%. The right-wing fantasy definition of "overwhelmingly"!
Considering ya'all claimed that FL would go overwhelmingly for Hillary, yes.. The win is "overwhelming" and it overwhelmed all of ya'all :D
But hay.. Go ahead and back the socialist who is up to his ass in corruption investigations.
Funny.. Ya'all think that corruption is a BAD thing.. When it's a guy with an -R after his name..
Corrupt DUMBOCRATS are perfectly acceptable to you...
Wanna compare notes in Nov and see who will be FACTUALLY ACCURATE about FL (me) and who will be left in the dust (ya'all)... :D
Face reality, sugar... You can't win.. You have NEVER won...
:D
Hilarious - Treasonous Trump searched on Google for "Trump News" (I'll bet the first few times he typed in "News about me" until some poor intern explained the Interwebs to Grampa) and found that 90% was negative.
Now, of course, it couldn't be that he is doing a hopeless job, is a crook, that his circle is being convicted left and right, that he is unpopular with everybody except the mostly dimwitted, and that he lies almost constantly.
No, it had to be Google's algorithm.
Sad.
No, what is sad is your bigotry and HHPTDS blinds you to FACTS and REALITY...
Google was just busted by the EU and force to pay a 2.7 BILLION dollar fine...
For doing the EXACT same thing that they are doing here...
Using biased algorithms..
Once again.. Your blindness makes you look like a drooling Dumbocrat MORON..
But, like I said.. It's unfair to hold you personally responsible.. Your suffering from a severe case of HHPTDS and you know not what you say and do...
I understand....
Michale
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Considering ya'all claimed that FL would go overwhelmingly for Hillary, yes.. The win is "overwhelming" and it overwhelmed all of ya'all :D
Another lie from Michale. Florida is generally always a close election; everyone except you seems to know that.
But hay.. Go ahead and back the socialist who is up to his ass in corruption investigations.
Says the guy who backs the communist who is up to his orange ass in corruption investigations.
Funny.. Ya'all think that corruption is a BAD thing.. When it's a guy with an -R after his name..
Funny.. Your tired bullshit is to claim to know what everyone thinks and to make up fake quotes and spew the same drivel over and over. It's pathetic.
Corrupt DUMBOCRATS are perfectly acceptable to you...
You have no idea what is "perfectly acceptable" to anyone.
Wanna compare notes in Nov and see who will be FACTUALLY ACCURATE about FL (me) and who will be left in the dust (ya'all)... :D
Notes? *laughs* That's comical. Unlike you, no everybody has something to prove and a psychotic-like ever-present neediness to "win" anything. You'll make up your fake quotes and invent bullshit and put words in people's mouths and do whatever your peevish neediness requires. It's repetitive, ridiculous, and very transparent.
Face reality, sugar... You can't win.. You have NEVER won...
Speaking of "facing reality," you wouldn't know what reality was if it lived on your face. Your constant neediness to win something is very revealing indeed. The majority on the board would like to discuss political issues, but Michale is here to post fake quotes and fabricate on behalf of others and "win" something. Speaks volumes, really. :)
Speaking of "facing reality," you wouldn't know what reality was if it lived on your face.
Says the girl who got her ass handed to her in Nov of 2016 and has been getting the same every day since then, right up to your gay slur... :D
You can't win, girl... You have nothing but HHPTDS... :D
You can't win, girl... You have nothing but HHPTDS... :D
While I have a President Trump and a GREAT country with a ROARING economy.... :D
Democrat Party response??
"America was NEVER that great"
Sad...
Michale
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Says the girl who got her ass handed to her in Nov of 2016 and has been getting the same every day since then, right up to your gay slur... :D
Whatever you have keep telling yourself over and over ad nauseam in order to feel like a "winner." Whatever shit you have to make up to troll people and try to start something that doesn't exist. Not even a good try, though, with the bullshit about a "gay slur." You just have to keep shit stirred up that doesn't exist. It's obvious and quite transparent.
You can't win, girl... You have nothing but HHPTDS... :D
I don't suffer from your problem of believing the blog is a combat zone where I need to fabricate quotes and invent bullshit or put words in other people's mouths in order to cause arguments among others or "win" some mythical "something." What exactly do you think you're winning anyway? The biggest liar? The troll award?
It would be comical if it weren't so pathetic. :)
I don't suffer from your problem of believing the blog is a combat zone
And yet, it was YOU and people like you who TURNED it into a combat zone by your attacks on me, DH, Liz, CRS and everyone else who didn't toe your Party slave line..
It would be comical if it weren't so pathetic. :)
Yes, it IS pathetic how you would turn a nice cozy community into a war zone..
At least you concede your gay slur..
While I have a GREAT country with a ROARING economy.... Democrat Party response?
You're welcome, of course. But we know that the Republicans are going to reverse that, they always do.
Step 1: Inherit booming economy. As both Trump and Bush did.
Step 2: Take credit for booming economy. As both Trump and Bush Jr. did.
Step 3: Use booming economy as an excuse for tax cuts targeted at the rich. As both also did.
Step 4: Ignore deficit. Meddle with trade policies, start fights. Loosen regulatory oversight on markets, banks. Boost military budget. Check.
Step 5: Slash budgets, privatize essential services. McConnell is working on this part now.
Step 6: Cook for 2-3 years until tender. Watch as economy slows/implodes.
Step 7: Blame Democrats, then hand them the whole mess to fix.
Step 8: Repeat.
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Michale
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And yet, it was YOU and people like you who TURNED it into a combat zone by your attacks on me, DH, Liz, CRS and everyone else who didn't toe your Party slave line..
Again, moron, I don't belong to any Party; continuing to spew that repetitive and overused bullshit argument proves nothing more than your inveterate ignorance or your willingness to fabricate at every turn.
Don, Liz, and CRS are quite capable of taking up for themselves and have given it right back as well as they got it, but you keep trying to start something between me and everyone/anyone else... m'kay?
Your desperation is showing, troll. :)
Yes, it IS pathetic how you would turn a nice cozy community into a war zone..
Oh, please. You may have fooled yourself with that load of BS, but you're not likely to fool anyone else. Your problem is your ability to dish it out without any help from anyone else and your inability to take it when it comes back in your direction. Nobody made you tell another poster to "suck my dick." That was all you. Try to take responsibility for your own posts and stop blaming everyone else, m'kay?
At least you concede your gay slur..
No. While I do understand your obvious and peevish neediness to attempt to start something on the board between me and anybody you can, I do not believe anyone else is quite as devoid of brain cells as you seem to think they are. :)
Balthasar
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Perfectly stated and 100% correct. :)
You're welcome, of course. But we know that the Republicans are going to reverse that, they always do.
Yea, that's what you have been saying..
And yet, to date.. You have been WRONG... :D
Step 1: Inherit booming economy.
Only a Dumbocrat would call Odumbo's limping economy "booming"..
Remember, it was YOUR Odumbo who said 2% economic growth was the "new normal"...
Think what you want, Balthy..
But the FACTS prove you wrong...
Again, moron, I don't belong to any Party;
Yea, crack-whore.. That's yer claim.. Yet, as usual, you have NO FACTS to back it up..
Your desperation is showing, troll. :)
Says the fatty welfare girl who has to use gay slurs...
Question: Where were the Trump Cock Holsters when Obama was posting annual numbers equal to and much higher than Trump's?
Victoria
"Cock Holster" is a gay slur, a way to demean gay men..
Stephen Colbert tried to insult Donald Trump. He made a homophobic comment instead.
The comedian used an insult that mocks gay men.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/5/2/15515066/stephen-colbert-trump-putin-homophobia-late-show
The facts are self-evident..
But I guess it's OK if a Democrat uses gay slurs and racist slurs and all sorts of slurs...
It's perfectly acceptable.. :^/
Remember, it was YOUR Odumbo who said 2% economic growth was the "new normal"...
President Trump has already PROVEN that claim to be complete and utter BULLSHIT..
Maybe under Dumbocrats, 2% economic growth is the norm..
But, President Trump is in charge now.. And 4%+ will be just the stepping stone to a better and better economy..
And that just drives ya'all batshit crazy, eh? :D
And yet, to date.. You have been WRONG...
We've only reached step 4. Patience, grasshopper.
Only a Dumbocrat would call Odumbo's limping economy "booming"..
Oh, that's right, you and the Insane Clown Posse think that the economy started to boom only after the Clown King took office. By Magic!
Gillum Wants 40% Corporate Tax Rate Hike
https://www.atr.org/gillum-wants-40-corporate-tax-rate-hike
Yea.. THAT is the way to endear yer self to Floridians..
Massive tax hike for businesses...
This clown couldn't get elected county dog catcher...
No wonder he is under massive investigations for corruption..
Funny how corruption doesn't bother ya'all when it's a Dumbocrat..
We've only reached step 4. Patience, grasshopper
You have been saying "patience" for 2 years...
Give it up, Balthy... Yer wrong as you always have been...
Oh, that's right, you and the Insane Clown Posse think that the economy started to boom only after the Clown King took office. By Magic!
No, by putting AMERICANS first, BEFORE Party agenda..
Amazing what you can do if you IGNORE Party agendas...
Regardless...so long as no one 'Monkey's-up' Manafart will stink out a federal cell for the foreseeable future. As each day passes, he sits, abandoned by all, to his fate...he must be climbing the walls.
;)
LL&P
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Don't know (nor care) who "Gillum" is, but it's common among Dems/Libs to advocate for high corporate taxes, for the simple reason that they're mostly all abysmally ignorant of the laws of economics. They are SO ignorant that they think if corps. pay more axes, consumers will pay less.
Egregious ignorance-cum-stupidity. And the sad thing is that politicians back 'em up on it, cause they know if the voters are too dumb to realize that corps. mostly just add their taxes to the prices of what they produce, that voters will love it and re-elect them.
Michale
See there above, sunshine!
You don't need any help from anybody else. You're still the same miserable trailer trash lying fraud you were when I first discovered CW's blog who apparently feels like he "wins" something by trolling any poster on the blog who doesn't genuflect at the altar of His Orange Worship and commence to join in your frantic sucking.
You've never needed any help from anybody else to put words in people's mouths and make up fake quotes and things about people you don't know and just generally invent lies. You haven't changed one iota since I began reading this board so I'm not sure what you think you're "winning" by blaming me for your own handiwork.
What kind of utter nonsensical moron would expect the posters on a left-leaning blog to worship at the altar of Benedict Donald Trump? You obviously enjoy trolling anyone who disagrees with your pathetic worldview or you wouldn't be here constantly doing it. No one is making you troll the other posters who are obviously left leaners, are they? Nope. For some reason I cannot fathom, you want people on here to post to suit you. It's laughable and ridiculous.
Say... why don't you go discuss politics with another Trump CH like yourself. Try your mirror! You could take turns telling "each other" how great you are and how your own behavior is somebody else's fault or whatever else it is you have to tell yourself to feel like a "winner"! :)
Regardless...so long as no one 'Monkey's-up' Manafart will stink out a federal cell for the foreseeable future. As each day passes, he sits, abandoned by all, to his fate...he must be climbing the walls.
Knowing he is completely innocent of those 10 extra charges probably puts him in a good mood.. :D
"Blaaaa Blaaaa Blaaaa, gay slur, blaa blaaaa gay slur blaaa blaaa..."
-Crack-Whore Welfare Girl
C. R. Stucki
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Don't know (nor care) who "Gillum" is, but it's common among Dems/Libs to advocate for high corporate taxes, for the simple reason that they're mostly all abysmally ignorant of the laws of economics.
I had never heard of Gillum until yesterday myself, although I do wish him no ill will and wouldn't buy into the labels that people will invariability place on him.
They are SO ignorant that they think if corps. pay more axes, consumers will pay less.
More axes cut something, right? :)
Don't know (nor care) who "Gillum" is,
He's the latest Socialist Democrat Party savior...
but it's common among Dems/Libs to advocate for high corporate taxes, for the simple reason that they're mostly all abysmally ignorant of the laws of economics. They are SO ignorant that they think if corps. pay more axes, consumers will pay less.
I know, right???
These people have absolutely NO SENSE of the reality of economics...
Egregious ignorance-cum-stupidity. And the sad thing is that politicians back 'em up on it, cause they know if the voters are too dumb to realize that corps. mostly just add their taxes to the prices of what they produce, that voters will love it and re-elect them.
Doesn't say much for the intelligence of the voters, I grant you..
But the American people are wising up.. Hence the absolute SHELLACKING the Dumbocrats got in the last few elections and the Blue Wave that's becoming a Red Stream...
-Crack-Whore Welfare Girl
Enough about your family already! We're all tired of hearing about your personal problems and your lives as whores. We all know about your living situation in the trailer swamps. TMI!
Enough already. We get it. You're miserable and need to "win" at something. Go debate your reflection in the mirror, and remember to blame me for your gab and flab! :)
Enough about your family already!
And, as usual, the crack whore bitch has to attack my family...
You can't confine your attacks to me, because I kick your ass up one side and down the other....
So you have to make disgusting attacks on my family...
Thank you for proving to EVERYONE here what a low life total waste of skin you really are...
Now try and get your weight under control..
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/hogzilla_wp.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
You look disgusting...
"It's no wonder you're single.."
-Metatron, DOGMA
Michale
And, as usual, the crack whore bitch has to attack my family...
I'm not the one who bragged repeatedly on the blog about me and wife being whores, sunshine; that was all your handiwork! If you're going to keep using the word "whore" on the blog, people are going to naturally be reminded about your life as one. Remember, it wasn't me who actually repeatedly informed the readers of the blog that you and your wife were players. You did that.
You can't confine your attacks to me, because I kick your ass up one side and down the other....
No, it's not like that at all. When you type the word "whore," people will naturally think of your family whom you discuss on this board all the time. Nothing more than that actually.
So you have to make disgusting attacks on my family...
I wouldn't know about ya'alls "disgusting" lives as whores if you hadn't posted about it multiple times on this board and keep posting about it ad nauseam. I wish I didn't know, and I wish you wouldn't keep talking about it. Then the word "whore" you keep posting wouldn't trigger the memories you gave me. Pity that. :)
Thank you for proving to EVERYONE here what a low life total waste of skin you really are...
I think you are forgetting who the "player" is! :D
Doesn't say much for the intelligence of the voters, I grant you..
But the American people are wising up.. Hence the absolute SHELLACKING the Dumbocrats got in the last few elections and the Blue Wave that's becoming a Red Stream...
IIRC, Democrats picked up 2 Senate seats and 6 House seats in 2016. What does it say about the "intelligence" of someone who would refer to that as "the absolute SHELLACKING the Dumbocrats got"?
Regardless of one's Party affiliation, that type of comment is easily recognizable for the right-wing bullshit or outright ignorance that it is. :)
Poor Paulie. His lawyers have filed a motion for change of venue today claiming that Trump is hurting him.
Poor Paulie. His bail got revoked because he was indicted along with his Russian friend Konstantin Kilimnik for attempting to tamper with potential witnesses, and he's been in jail ever since. Also, he is going to die in jail unless he makes a deal with Mueller, and the poor guy claims Trump is hurting his case. Sounds like an easy solution to me. :)
He's the latest Socialist Democrat Party savior..
But of course we live in a socialist/capitalist hybrid economy now. Perhaps a bit of balance in the mix would be a good thing. I'm certainly in favor of the ACA, and would sign on to a universal healthcare plan. While we're at it, why isn't higher education free to all of our citizens, since we subsidize it anyway?
Why aren't our public defenders offices funded and staffed the same as prosecutors offices? Why is money still a ticket out of jail?
C.R. and M will argue that the US can't afford any of those things (even as California enacts some of them without problem), but have nothing to complain about when the US drops a $16 billion dollar bomb on Afghanistan in an apparent demonstration project. While the wolves of Wall Street party naked on private yachts, the politicians they fund are busily denying safe haven to refugees, complaining that they might avail themselves of an Emergency Room once in awhile if allowed in.
These people have absolutely NO SENSE of the reality of economics...
Says the Party that oversaw the starts of the Depression, the Oil Crises, the Savings and Loan Collapse, and the Great Recession.
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Balthasar
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You're right about all of that, of course.
Says the Party that oversaw the starts of the Depression, the Oil Crises, the Savings and Loan Collapse, and the Great Recession.
Yes, sir, and the Party that's going to pay $12 billion to farmers in order to counter the effects of Trump's trade wars calling anyone else "socialists" is like the pot calling the proverbial kettle black.
The GOP doesn't mind handouts at all. Trump is the Socialist-In-Chief, and the farmers are already whining that their Trump Handouts aren't enough handouts and aren't being handed out fairly.
And yet, it was YOU and people like you who TURNED it into a combat zone by your attacks on me, DH, Liz, CRS and everyone else who didn't toe your Party slave line..
No, Michale. It was YOU. You constantly lie and accuse everyone else of making statements or taking positions that none of us have ever said or taken. You don’t debate or comment on the events being discussed, instead choosing to attack those commenting with charges of hypocrisy for allegedly not being upset at some point in history about an event that typically is a false equivalency of the current subject matter.
You belittle and insult people at every turn, then gasp and clutch at your pearls in horror when you anger someone to the point that they lash back at you. Yes, everyone hurls insults at one time or another, but you do it constantly.
[62] CRS: Don't know (nor care) who "Gillum" is, but ...
This is the rhetorical trope you almost universally employ in your trolling commentary: "I don't know (optionally, or care) anything about X; but here's the right way to think about X".
C'mon! Get pro-active! How about starting stronger: "I have ideas about X. People have been talking about these ideas; saying they are really good. The best ideas. Believe me! And here they are... "
Just saying; seems to be a more "winning" Know-Nothing strategy lately.
Hope that helps!
You belittle and insult people at every turn, then gasp and clutch at your pearls in horror when you anger someone to the point that they lash back at you. Yes, everyone hurls insults at one time or another, but you do it constantly.
That is not factually accurate, but we'll let that pass..
3 questions..
Are gay slurs appropriate??
Are attacks on family appropriate??
Have I engaged in either??
No I have not..
Nor have I *EVER* instigated any attacks or name-calling..
I simply respond to the attacks against me...
Now I have to respond to personal attacks against my family..
So, if I am insulting people at every turn, it's ONLY because I am insulted at every turn..
If people will stop the shit, then the shit will stop..
It's that simple...
chazzz [76]
Perhaps you ought to re-read my [62]. I did NOT say "I don't care about 'X' ('X' being somebody named 'Gillum'),, but here's the right way to think about 'Gillum'"
On the contrary, I said "I dont care about 'Gillum', but here's the right way to think about FUNDING THE GOV'T BY MEANS OF CORP. TAXATION", (as opposed to conventional income taxation).
That is not a "rhetorical trope" at all, nor do I "habitually use rhetorical tropes." What it actually is, is lack of reading comprehension on your part.
Russ,
I seem to be losing a lot of bets with myself lately.. :(
I had bet myself that you being indignant about the gay slur would override your Party slavery...
Lost another one. :(
You belittle and insult people at every turn, then gasp and clutch at your pearls in horror when you anger someone to the point that they lash back at you.
So, that justifies attacks on my family??
So, lemme ask you..
What would you say if, because James T Canuck was "belittling" me and "insulting" me, I lashed out and attacked his mother??
And THEN I use the most lamest and pathetic excuse, "Well, HE brought her up!!!"
What would you say to that??
You would condemn me to the high heavens and you would be COMPLETELY right to do so.. That is nothing short of blog-terrorism..
Yet, when the crack whore does it, *I* am the bad guy???
How exactly does that work??
Once again, it's really simple..
If ya'all stop the shit, then the shit will stop...
If ya'all continue with the shit, then I will respond as well..
But unlike you, I won't cross the line into blog-terrorism or even ACCEPTING blog-terrorism..
So take your comment and shove it up your ass... If you accept Victoria's attacks on a person's family, even if it's MY family, than you are no better than her.
No better than a blog-terrorist...
snow·flake troll
noun: snowflake troll; plural noun: snowflake trolls
1. dishes it out regularly
2. can't remember shit so claims he never did a thing
3. believes he sets the rules
4. incessantly whines like a little bitch
Crack Whore,
I have never made a gay slur here.
YOU have..
I have never attack any commenters family in the most vile and disgusting ways..
You have..
You can call me all the names you want.
But the FACT remains..
YOU are scum of the earth and YOUR kind is not wanted around here..
You are not fit to live..
Whiny Little Bitch
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Crack Whore
Who knew the troll's wife read the blog? You should speak with her directly and leave the readers of the blog out of your family issues. TMI
I have never made a gay slur here.
YOU have..
Wrong.
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/27/defining-impeachable/#comment-125560
Not even a good try, but you're a known liar and whiny snowflake around here... so there's that.
I have never attack any commenters family in the most vile and disgusting ways..
Like I already said: I can't help it if the terms you hurl at other people remind me of your family; that is all your handiwork, though. Additionally, if you think the term is "vile and disgusting," then you should probably stop using it towards others and therefore stop reminding others of the many and multiple stories you posted on this blog about you and your wife's lives as whores. If you're going to brag about being a whore and then keep regularly tossing that term out at other posters, then you shouldn't be the least bit surprised when those other posters are reminded about your lives as whores. You posted it, and everyone remembers it.
Check your mirror. You are the one using the "vile and disgusting" term you are objecting to that reminds other people of your multiple whoring family stories. You've bragged so many times on this blog about you and your wife's life as whores that you only have yourself to thank for it. You are kind of like a roadmap in that all of your chosen and hurled insults fit yourself and your family situation like a glove, and you have yourself to thank for letting the entire board know all about it.
Keep hurling the insults that fit you and yours, and I'll keep remarking how great they fit. It's not really all that complicated. :D
YOU are scum of the earth and YOUR kind is not wanted around here..
Yes, this also is not a remotely new statement for you either. Everyone here also knows how you've bragged about running people off the blog. You posted a nice list of all those you had already run off and bragged about how I'd be next. It's an old story, and I suspect the others are tired of hearing you whine about that also. It's glaringly obvious to others that you genuinely believe you control the board and everyone on it. You wish to be free to hurl insults and make up fake quotes and put words in people's mouths for the entire board while censoring everyone else and whining like a little bitch if anyone does it back in your general direction. It's obvious to everyone except yourself. Clue in already.
You are not fit to live..
I have that in common with John Brennan and all the others you've passed judgment on lately because they dared to have a different opinion than you and Benedict Donald, Treasonous Trump, Comrade Trump! I will wear that as a badge of honor, thank you. :)
And the crack whore welfare girl's disgusting and pathetic attacks on a commenters' family continue..
I will wear that as a badge of honor, thank you. :)
That simply illustrates what a pathetic low life you really are..
You hurl gay slurs and attack a commenters' family and you think it's honorable...
Being such a fat slob....
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/hogzilla_wp.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
...who is alone with her cats, your only rational recourse is to end your sad and pathetic life..
Michale
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...who is alone with her cats, your only rational recourse is to end your sad and pathetic life..
Cats! *laughs* Why are you picking on cats? What did cats ever do to you? :)
You might want to stop talking about killing on the blog, m'kay? My life is great, though! Thanks for your concern. :)
You might want to stop talking about killing on the blog, m'kay? My life is great, though! Thanks for your concern. :)
Said nothing about killing...
You think it's perfectly acceptable to hurl gay slurs and attack a commenter's family...
You are the LAST person to be giving advice on what is and is not appropriate in a blog..
You don't know what I think; you don't know what anyone thinks for that matter, but it is always you putting words in people's mouths and making up fake quotes and claiming to know what everyone thinks. You have no idea what people think. You spam the board, and you're always around telling everyone what they can and cannot post and what is and is not acceptable. The only problem arises when you get it back, you become quite the whiny little bitchy snowflake. It would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.
If you're going to dish it out, you're going to get it right back. If you hurl insults that remind me of the stories you've told about you and wife being whores, I'm going to comment about you projecting your family situation onto me. It ain't complicated. :)
Additionally, continue to post away and pretend like you didn't just tell another poster to kill themselves. You're fooling no one else on the blog except yourself.
Have a nice day, snowflake! I always do!
Done here. :)
but it is always you putting words in people's mouths
You said "Cock Holster".. I did not put those words in your mouth.. You typed them out all on your own..
I have also provided FACTS that prove said phrase is a gay slur...
So in addition to being terroristic, you are also a homophobe....
You did that all on your own, crack whore...
Additionally, continue to post away and pretend like you didn't just tell another poster to kill themselves. You're fooling no one else on the blog except yourself.
Now look who is putting words in other people's mouth..
Done here. :)
Yes, you are.. You just don't know it yet. :D