Friday Talking Points -- Trump Throws Another Tantrum
What do you do with a president who wants to be impeached? That's a surreal question, but then again we live in surreal times. Donald Trump seems more and more like a man begging the House Democrats to impeach him. It's like every political decision he makes is designed to be so outrageous that it'll surely goad Democrats into starting an impeachment committee.
Trump thinks -- and he may very well be right -- that getting impeached and then having the Republican Senate refuse to remove him from office would be a political winner for him. There's simply no way to tell how it would play out during an election year, but the last president impeached by what the public saw as a purely political exercise actually saw his own job approval go up during the process. So Trump is betting the same thing will happen to him, and he may not be wrong in that assumption.
But it certainly leaves Democrats in a quandary. Impeaching Trump might just help Trump politically. But not impeaching Trump leaves him free to run roughshod over all and sundry, in increasingly outrageous fashion. That's a tough choice. So far, Nancy Pelosi has chosen to push forward with investigations, but not pull the impeachment trigger quite yet. Bizarrely, right after she held a meeting with her caucus where she damped down calls for immediate impeachment, Trump's head exploded and he threw an epic hissy fit.
While we're going to save most of the story of Trump blowing his top for later in the program, there are a few side notes worth pointing out. The Washington Post ran a helpful review of all the other times when an announced "Infrastructure Week" crashed and burned for Trump (the most notable being the "very fine people on both sides" reaction to Charlottesville, which actually happened at an Infrastructure Week presentation).
Also, right after Trump swore he was taking his bat and ball and going home rather than getting anything done with Democrats in Congress, Trump caved completely on his demands for border wall money and to stiff Puerto Rico, which allowed a bipartisan disaster relief bill to pass the Senate on an 85-8 vote. Trump threw in the towel a day after he said he wouldn't even negotiate with Democrats, which will wind up being good news for all those affected.
Trump did announce a further $16 billion in aid to farmers to bail them out of the mess that his trade war with China has saddled them with. But even Republicans are getting nervous about the devastation Trump is personally causing in the heartland, as evidenced by a letter Senator Jerry Moran wrote, charging that Trump's trade war would "cause long term damage to U.S. agriculture." He went on to write about Trump's preferred method of using taxpayer money for such bailouts:
Kansas farmers and ranchers understand the need to hold China accountable for bad behavior on trade. Yet, net farm income has fallen by 50% since 2013 and the trade war has pushed commodity prices down even further. Many farmers and ranchers are on the verge of financial collapse.
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This inherent unpredictability of ad hoc disaster assistance underlies the strong preference of farmers and ranchers for markets to sell their livestock and crops instead of government payments.
Meanwhile, House Republican Justin Amash outright called for the impeachment of the president. He read the whole Mueller Report and came to that conclusion, which he shared last weekend. So far, he's the only Republican in Congress to do so, but it's still a notable development.
Trump's stonewalling strategy continues, as he blocked Don McGahn from testifying before a House committee this week. But the courts are moving quickly to address the situation, as two separate federal judges this week ruled against Trump's legal argument that Congress doesn't have the right to issue subpoenas to Trump's banks and his accountant. Trump immediately appealed both decisions, and one of them is already scheduled to be heard by the appellate court on July 12.
New York state lawmakers are doing their part, passing two laws directed at Trump this week. The first will allow congressional committees to get Trump's state tax returns, and the second will allow people accused of criminal activity in New York to be prosecuted even after the president pardons them (presidential pardons only apply to federal lawbreaking, but New York had a law on the books stating that people couldn't be tried for crimes prosecuted at the federal level -- now the new law allows for this in the case of anyone pardoned by the president).
This isn't an abstract possibility, since Trump has shown his willingness to use the pardon power to let off the hook anyone Fox News thinks should be given a pass. In fact, Trump was astonishingly going to celebrate the Memorial Day weekend by pardoning war criminals. That's right -- soldiers and contractors either being prosecuted or already convicted of murdering innocent people and disobeying the rules of war would get presidential pardons, and somehow Trump thought that he'd be honoring the military by doing so. Mitt Romney reacted to this news with: "I think it's a terrible idea to pardon someone who is legitimately convicted of committing war crimes. It's unthinkable." Unthinkable by normal people, but not so for Trump. Hopefully, the pushback against this idea has been so strong that Trump is now reportedly having second thoughts, so we'll have to see what happens (if anything) over the holiday weekend.
Before we get to the main award, we have to give an Honorable Mention to both Representative Judy Chu and Senator Richard Blumenthal. They both introduced into their respective chambers the "Women's Health Protection Act," which would "bar states from imposing restrictions on abortion that are medically unnecessary and interfere with a woman's ability to access care."
For some needed context, it hasn't been just this week that abortion rights have been under attack. From 2010 to 2016, individual states enacted 338 laws restricting abortion access. As Blumenthal put it: "We face a five-alarm fire in the danger to women's reproductive rights."
This bill has been introduced in every Congress since 2013. It now has 42 Senate cosponsors and 171 cosponsors in the House. For far too long, Congress has punted on its responsibility to fight back against the state-level attacks on Roe versus Wade. This bill would fix the problem once and for all, on a national level. Which is why we have to applaud Blumenthal and Chu for once again introducing it.
We'd also like to award an Honorable Mention to all the Democrats in Connecticut who managed to pass a law hiking the state's minimum wage to $15 an hour. Well done!
But, obviously, the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week is none other than Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. She earns the award for being the most effective Democrat at getting under Trump's skin. Other Democrats should really be taking notes, because Pelosi seems to annoy Trump more than anyone else in Washington.
We wrote about the immolation of yet another "Infrastructure Week" earlier in the week, but in case you've been in a coma or something, here's the basic rundown. Pelosi and Chuck Schumer were scheduled to meet with President Trump this week, where Trump was supposed to present his plan to pay for the $2 trillion infrastructure proposal that both sides had agreed to last month. Trump, obviously, had not done his homework. He had nothing to propose, as Chuck Schumer later pointed out:
What happened yesterday, in my judgment, is that they were so ill-prepared and afraid to actually say how they pay for infrastructure -- they were unable -- that they looked for a way to back out.... I think probably early that morning they concocted this, you know, temper tantrum and he walked out.
Trump was 15 minutes late to the meeting, probably because the White House was planning an impromptu Rose Garden address in the meantime. When Trump finally walked in to the meeting, he refused to shake hands or sit down, delivered a three-minute rant against Nancy Pelosi (who earlier that morning had stated that the president was obviously "engaged in a coverup"), and then stormed out of the room. Trump later insisted that "I don't do coverups" -- which, of course, Stormy Daniels might just have something to say about.
Trump then strode to the Rose Garden podium, gripping notes that (in his own handwriting) listed his "achomlishments" (you just can't make this stuff up, folks), and appearing before a podium with a sign on it that read "No collusion. No obstruction." The internet had lots of fun pointing out Trump's idiocy afterwards, naturally. Trump ranted for a while, took two questions, and then exited. He seemed to draw a line in the sand: if Democrats in the House continued to investigate him for any reason, he would simply refuse to work with them on anything. He essentially wants to hold America's infrastructure hostage.
The back-and-forth between Trump and Pelosi got more intense all week long. Pelosi, after the "meeting" with Trump, said she prayed for both the president and the United States of America. She also said Trump "had a temper tantrum" instead of a meeting, writing in a letter to Democrats: "Sadly, the only job the president seems to be concerned with is his own. He threatened to stop working with Democrats on all legislation unless we end oversight of his administration and he had a temper tantrum for us all to see."
Trump then hijacked what was supposed to be an announcement of $16 billion more taxpayer money going to bail out the farmers hit hard by his trade war with China, and forced his toadies to stand up, one after the other, and insist that Trump was "calm" during his meeting with Pelosi. He called Pelosi "a mess" and said that she had "lost it." He also said, once again, that he was a "very stable genius." The internet also had a field day with this one, with the best response coming from Rob Reiner: "The only Stable Genius I know of is Mr. Ed."
Pelosi then shot back: "I wish that his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country. Maybe he wants to take a leave of absence." She also tweeted: "When the 'extremely stable genius' starts acting more presidential, I'll be happy to work with him on infrastructure, trade and other issues."
Once again -- nobody else seems to get under Trump's skin to such a degree. Which is why it's so amusing to watch when Nancy Pelosi does so. For standing up to Trump with a backbone made of steel, Nancy Pelosi is once again the winner of the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award. And, as we said, Democratic presidential candidates should really be taking notes, because one of them will have to take Trump on directly next year.
[Congratulate Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi on her official contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]
This week, Roe versus Wade came under attack. Multiple states took direct aim at it, passing laws to make abortion almost impossible (and, in Alabama's case, completely impossible). All of these laws are designed to wind up in the Supreme Court, because now that Justice Fratboy is on the court, conservatives think the time is ripe to challenge Roe.
In all of these cases but one, a Republican governor signed (or will sign) the new anti-abortion bills. But in Louisiana, it was a Democratic governor who said he will sign the bill into law. John Bel Edwards is one of a very few anti-abortion Democrats left in the party.
We find this disappointing, which is why we're awarding him this week's Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week. Now, an argument can be made for making the party a "big tent," and it can also be argued that Louisiana is better off in general with an anti-abortion Democrat than with a Republican sitting in the governor's chair, but we still find the whole thing disappointing. There should be some things that the party as a whole stands for, and we believe that a woman's right to choose should be one of them for the Democratic Party. We're not alone in this belief, either.
Roe versus Wade is under attack. One court ruling could strip it of its power nationwide. America would return to it being up to the states whether abortion was legal or not. We think that's the wrong direction for the country to take. Which is why we feel we must give this week's Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week award to John Bel Edwards.
[Contact Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards on his official contact page, to let him know what you think of his actions.]
Volume 528 (5/24/19)
As we are sometimes wont to do, this week we are foregoing our usual discrete (but seldom discreet) seven talking points in favor of just letting fly with an extended rant. Well, it's not exactly a rant, but it does include a little ranting here and there.
We wrote about this subject yesterday, after hearing that the White House was trying a rather laughable bit of political spin. According to Trump (and his chorus of toadies), Democrats are simply not capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. Here is a tweet from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, pushing this false narrative: "Democrats are in a tailspin, and their 'leadership' is out to lunch. They have achieved practically NOTHING since taking over the House, and their obsession with impeaching this president is paralyzing any progress we could be making as the UNITED States."
This is utter hogwash, of course. But it strikes at the bedrock case that Democrats really need to be making in the 2020 election campaign. And when we say this, we aren't thinking so much of the presidential race but rather of all the down-ballot races for the House, for the Senate, and for statehouses across the country. So we decided it was time to provide a generic speech for Democratic candidates in all the other races. Here is the basic speech we would write for any of these candidates to deliver.
How Democrats Can Make The Case For 2020
In the upcoming election, American voters will have a clear choice to make between the two major political parties. One public service President Trump has done for the country [Pause for laughter]... no, really... one good thing he's done for us all is to rip the mask off the Republican Party and lay bare for everyone to see just how bankrupt they are of good ideas to improve people's lives. I mean, what does the Republican Party want to do for America? From where I stand, they really only seem to agree on three things. If you look at what little legislation they have proposed, it all boils down to one of the following three things: cut taxes for the wealthiest of the wealthy, build a gigantic wall on our southern border, and prevent as many people as possible from getting affordable healthcare. That's it. That's all they've got.
The Republicans held both houses of Congress for two years, and they want to win the House back and hold onto the Senate in this election. But what did they get done last time? A whole lot of nothing. One big tax cut that showered all its benefits on Wall Street and billionaires, and nothing else. They tried to kill Obamacare and replace it with absolutely nothing for tens of millions of Americans, but thankfully they weren't able to do so. And what else did they achieve? Nothing. What has the Senate achieved this year? As one Republican senator just put it -- and this is a direct quote: "Nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada." This same senator summed up what his Republican colleagues have managed this year by saying: "the Senate hasn't done a damn thing except sit on its ice-cold lazy butt." That's a Republican senator, mind you, and I might add that I couldn't have said it better myself.
When I see Republican campaign ads, all I can see is fearmongering: "We should all be very afraid of this, that, and the other -- vote for us because we will slay the dragon!" But what positive agenda items do they have? They don't say. What do they want to do for the country? Their ads are silent on the subject. The only things Republicans now stand for are cutting your boss's taxes, building a pointless border wall, and denying healthcare to the poor, to women, and to anyone else they possibly can. They know full well that this stripped-down agenda is not really popular with the public, so they don't even try to run on it even though it is all they have left that they agree upon.
The contrast couldn't be clearer. Democrats want to get some good things done to move America boldly into the future. Republicans want to stop all of these ideas cold, but they have nothing to propose other than obstructionism. Oh, and a border wall.
Will building a wall on the Mexican border bring down prescription drug prices? No, it will not. Will building Trump's precious border wall bring a green new energy future to the country? Nope. Will a border wall raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour? I wouldn't hold your breath. Will that wall protect people with pre-existing conditions? I seriously doubt it. Will building a border wall give all Americans the choice to join Medicare? No, it won't. Will a border wall ensure equal pay for equal work? Not even close. Will building a border wall do anything for the Dreamers or solve our nation's real immigration problems? No way. Will spending a bazillion dollars building an ineffective wall mean teachers will be paid more? No, it will not. Will throwing money down this rathole make college more affordable for all? Not a chance.
That's their agenda stacked up against ours, in a nutshell. Democrats want to do all of these things to make people's lives better. Republicans don't want to do any of them, and the Republican Senate refuses to act on any of it.
This week, after the president of the United States threw a temper tantrum worthy of a two-year-old, he's been pushing some fake news in an effort to convince everyone that black is white and up is down. According to him, because the House of Representatives is once again performing its constitutional duty to provide oversight of the executive branch, somehow they aren't able to get anything else done. He tweeted this bizarre theory multiple times, in fact: "You can't investigate and legislate simultaneously -- it just doesn't work that way. You can't go down two tracks at the same time." And also: "Democrats are getting nothing done in Congress.... It is not possible for them to investigate and legislate at the same time."
Professional Trump apologist Sarah Huckabee Sanders also tried pushing this manure on the American public. She called Democrats: "incapable of doing anything other than investigating this president," and asked: "what significant pieces of legislation they have passed that are going to change the course of this country?" Sarah called the idea that Democrats can both investigate and pass bills "a complete lie." And then she stepped back, just in case a thunderbolt from Heaven struck her down for bearing such false witness. [Pause for laughter] OK, I made that last part up, I admit.
This lie is a monumentally stupid one because it is so easy to debunk. The House of Representatives has, in fact, been passing dozens of bills. Nancy Pelosi has been moving legislation like there's no tomorrow, in fact. All told, the House has sent over one hundred bills to the Senate, where Mitch McConnell refuses to act on any of them. We've sent them over a hundred bills and the year's not even half over. So yes, thank you very much, Democrats can indeed run investigations and pass legislation -- just look at their record! It's pretty obvious which party can pass bills and which party cannot, when you take even the most casual look at the facts.
In all this time, what has Mitch McConnell done? Nothing. Democrats aren't the ones who can't pass legislation, it is obviously the Republicans who can't do so -- and they don't even have the excuse of investigations to fall back on, because McConnell has become nothing but Trump's bootlicker. Republicans can't legislate, period.
The only way to end this gridlock is to elect more Democrats to the Senate, and take back the White House. The Republican agenda -- other than tax cuts, taking away your healthcare, and building the wall -- is empty. It is completely hollow. They've got absolutely nothing, which is why they're passing no bills. America gave them both houses of Congress and the White House and what got done?
However, if the American voters decide to give Democrats control, we've already got a strong agenda chock full of things that could make everyone's lives a whole lot better. You don't have to imagine what we'll do, just take a look at some of those bills the House has already passed: the For The People Act, the Paycheck Fairness Act, the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act, the Save the Internet Act -- and that's just a handful of them.
Democrats want to reform our elections system to make it easier for everyone to vote. Republicans want to make it harder for you to cast your ballot. Democrats want to reform ethics laws for elected officials, while Republicans want to make the swamp deeper. Democrats -- and even some Republicans -- want to protect our elections system from hacking by foreigners, and Mitch McConnell refuses to act on it. Democrats want to make it illegal to deny someone housing or a job just because they are gay. Republicans are pro-discrimination. Democrats want to make college more affordable to all, and Republicans don't. Democrats want teachers in our children's schools to get paid more, and Republicans disagree. Democrats want to protect people's health insurance and people with pre-existing conditions, and Republicans want to take health insurance away and lock up doctors for providing women's healthcare. Democrats want the minimum wage raised to $15 an hour, and Republicans are fighting it. Democrats want to build infrastructure all across the country, and Republicans only want to build a border wall.
That is the contrast. That is what is on the ballot next November. Do we move forward together as a country, or do we refuse to even admit that problems exist? Do we want to make life better for people, or do we want to double-down on rigging the system for the few and against the many? Are we going to return America to being a shining example for the rest of the world to follow, or do we want to continue to be the world's laughingstock? Do we want to return to a time when we treated America's friends as friends, or do we want to continue to see our president coddle dictators because they say nice things about him? The choice is pretty plain. I know what I'm going to do next November -- I'm going to cast a vote for the future. I'm going to vote to move America forward once again. I'm going to reject the idea that there are simply no problems left for Congress to solve. I'm voting for Democrats, and I urge everyone who shares hope for the future to do the same, because it is the only way anything good will get done.
Thank you.
-- Chris Weigant
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Love the rant! I'm not sure if many Democrats think like that, though. Because, if they did, then they would have passed emergency legislation that would alleviate the crisis at the border and no more children would die in the custody of the US border agents.
That would be a good start, at least, to improve their chances next fall.
If they did that and rant a little like you just did, Chris, then what would be the chances of undivided government with Biden at the helm?
That should be the goal of all Democrats, assuming that it is even possible, given what seats are up for grabs...
I think Nancy Pelosi - who I used to dislike but now like, very much - would do better if she left Trump analysis behind and do the Democratic 2020 Rant more often.
Bloody brilliant CW. You sure there isn't room for a 25th nominee?
Indeed! And, no, absolutely not.
Trump thinks -- and he may very well be right -- that getting impeached and then having the Republican Senate refuse to remove him from office would be a political winner for him.
Of course he is right.. We have seen it happen before, eh?
But it certainly leaves Democrats in a quandary. Impeaching Trump might just help Trump politically. But not impeaching Trump leaves him free to run roughshod over all and sundry, in increasingly outrageous fashion.
Exactly..
If President Trump is the colossal threat to the country that Dumbocrats claim he is, then Dumbocrats have a DUTY to impeach..
But they won't because they know it would hurt them politically..
Thereby PROVING that they are putting Party before Country..
Meanwhile, House Republican Justin Amash outright called for the impeachment of the president. He read the whole Mueller Report and came to that conclusion, which he shared last weekend. So far, he's the only Republican in Congress to do so, but it's still a notable development.
Really?? Some moron Never Trumper is a "notable" development??
Well, I guess after the decimation of the Mueller report, ya'all have to take "notable" where ever you can find a shred of it, eh? :D
As to the rant??
Won't help.. Not a single bit..
Because, the American people see the lies and obfuscations of the Dumbocrats and then they see the FACTS and reality of a prosperous America with a GREAT economy..
And they know that THAT is because of President Trump..
So, to the Dumbocrat Party allow me to quote the imminently quotable Bruce Willis...
"Nobody likes you. Everybody hates you. Yer gonna lose. Smile, ya fuck.."
-THE LAST BOY SCOUT
:D
Love the rant! I'm not sure if many Democrats think like that, though. Because, if they did, then they would have passed emergency legislation that would alleviate the crisis at the border and no more children would die in the custody of the US border agents.
Did ANYONE here complain when children died in the custody of the US Border Patrol under Odumbo???
Of course not..
Funny how that is, eh? :^/
Federal Rats Are Fleeing the Sinking Collusion Ship
The entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was always implausible.
One, the Washington swamp of fixers such as Paul Manafort and John and Tony Podesta was mostly bipartisan and predated Trump.
Two, the Trump administration's Russia policies were far tougher on Vladimir Putin than were those of Barack Obama. Trump confronted Russia in Syria, upped defense spending, increased sanctions and kept the price of oil down through massive new U.S. energy production. He did not engineer a Russian "reset" or get caught on a hot mic offering a self-interested hiatus in tensions with Russia in order to help his own re-election bid.
Three, Russia has a long history of trying to warp U.S. elections that both predated Trump and earned only prior lukewarm pushback from the Obama administration.
It's also worth remembering that President Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation had been recipients of Russian and Russian-related largesse -- ostensibly because Hillary Clinton had used her influence as Secretary of State under Obama to ease resistance to Russian acquisitions of North American uranium holdings.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/05/23/federal_rats_are_fleeing_the_sinking_collusion_ship_140403.html
Funny how the facts and reality aren't really talked about around here..
Well, thank the gods ya'all have me to keep ya'all informed of the FACTS.. :D
CW,
One of the best articles differentiating between what each party offers America that I have read to date. Very nice work!
New state abortion laws threatening Roe v. Wade framework could ruin 2020 for Democrats
At the other end of scale, New York enacted a law that extended legal abortion into the third trimester in some circumstances. Virginia was also considering such a law, but it was tabled after its sponsor, Delegate Kathy Tran, admitted that under her proposed legislation a baby could be aborted even at the moment of birth. Virginia Democratic Governor and pediatric neurosurgeon Ralph Northam hardly helped matters when he explained that in such cases "the infant would be delivered” and “kept comfortable” while the decision was reached whether or not to kill it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/05/24/new-state-abortion-laws-roe-v-wade-democrats-2020-column/3756318002/
Once again, Dumbocrats choose the WORST possible course of action...
Well, "WORST" for the Dumbocrat Party.. It's the best thing that could happen for this country..
Democrat Party = The Infanticide Party
:^/
Impeaching Trump Is Risky. So Is Refusing To.
Nancy Pelosi’s case against impeachment is growing incoherent.
On Wednesday, Donald Trump stormed out of a meeting on infrastructure with Democratic leaders and held a tantrum of a news conference. He was indignant that the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, had said earlier in the day that he was engaged in a cover-up, and insisted he wouldn’t work with Congress unless it stops investigating him. “You can’t do it under these circumstances. So get these phony investigations over with,” he said.
Shortly afterward, Pelosi was interviewed onstage at a conference of the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank. “The fact is, in plain sight, in the public domain, this president is obstructing justice and he’s engaged in a cover-up, and that could be an impeachable offense,” she said, to applause from a crowd full of Democratic operatives and donors. She pointed out that the third article of impeachment against Richard Nixon involved his refusal to comply with congressional subpoenas, which, of course, Trump has done as well. A few moments later she described Trump as an “existential threat to our democracy.”
Yet even as a growing number of Democratic lawmakers are calling for an impeachment inquiry, Pelosi insists that the time has not yet come for such a serious step. The “House Democratic caucus is not on a path to impeachment,” she told reporters on Thursday.
This position is increasingly incoherent. If Trump’s outrageous misdeeds are visible for all to see — and they are — you don’t need further investigation to justify beginning an inquiry into whether impeachment is justified. Pelosi has suggested that impeachment will distract from the affirmative Democratic agenda, but the Republican-controlled Senate is no more going to pass progressive legislation than it will vote to remove Trump. And now the president has ruled out action on bipartisan initiatives like infrastructure investment, essentially refusing to fulfill his constitutional responsibilities whether he’s impeached or not.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/opinion/trump-pelosi-impeachment.html
That's ya'all's Nancy Pelosi.. "Incoherent"..
Hell, even the NY GRIME says so...
Democrats Don’t Want to Nominate a Candidate Who Looks Like Bernie or Joe
In a new national survey, the party’s primary voters prefer female candidates of color in 2020. So why are two white guys in the lead?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/democrats-dont-want-to-nominate-another-white-man-for-president-226977
As I predicted..
Electibility has given way to Party Purity..
Gods, it's tough to be factually accurate all the time.. :D
Michale,
Did ANYONE here complain when children died in the custody of the US Border Patrol under Odumbo???
Of course not..
Funny how that is, eh? :^/
Nothing really funny about it... especially since you are posting more lies. No children died in ICE’s custody while Obama was in office. Had they, I would have complained.
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said in a Dec. 26 statement following the two children’s deaths that “it has been more than a decade since CBP has had a child pass away in their custody.” U.S. Border Patrol is a part of CBP, which is an agency within DHS.
You love to call everyone else hypocrites for calling Trump out for his faults and claiming we did not hold Obama to the same standards. You don’t take issue with children dying in our custody or the fact that Trump’s gov’t. tried to keep the deaths secret. Aren’t you the one always claiming that our silence indicates approval?
Nothing really funny about it... especially since you are posting more lies. No children died in ICE’s custody while Obama was in office.
Except the FACTS say different..
According to CBP, under the Obama administration, in 2014 there were a total of 313 deaths at the southwest border, 251 in 2015 and 329 in 2016. Under the Trump administration, there were 294 in 2017. While the numbers for both administrations are high, it's important to note that not all these deaths happened in CBP custody.
Of those who died under Odumbo, several were 15, 16 and 17 yr olds..
Had they, I would have complained.
And yet, you didn't.
Because, yer a Democrat.. You don't CARE about dead children. Unless you can use their deaths as a shiny new bludgeon to beat President Trump over the head with..
You don’t take issue with children dying in our custody or the fact that Trump’s gov’t. tried to keep the deaths secret.
What issue should I take?? It's a tragedy, but it's a tragedy of the criminals' own making..
Just like if a bank robber took their kid to the robbery and the child was killed in the ensuing high-speed chase..
It's a tragedy, but it's not something I would blame the cops for.. THEY were just doing their jobs..
But, as usual, my comments are a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...
You applaud Odumbo and you condemn President Trump.. Often for the very same actions..
My point is, was and always will be ya'all's hypocrisy..
But, as usual, my comments are a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
That should read "But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump.."
My bust...
Because, yer a Democrat.. You don't CARE about dead children. Unless you can use their deaths as a shiny new bludgeon to beat President Trump over the head with..
Hell, the Democrat Party is the PARTY of dead children..
"So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."
-Democrat Party
Get that?? The doctor would resuscitate the baby if that is what the mother desired. If the mother wanted the baby dead, the doctor would allow the baby to die.. And the doctor and the mother would decide if the baby is allowed to live or if he or she should be killed..
Your Democrat Party, in all it's glory.. :eyeroll:
One of the best articles differentiating between what each party offers America that I have read to date.
And yet, Dumbocrats made that exact same pitch in 2016...
The American people didn't buy it then..
Considering all that's happened both GOOD for the country and BAD for the Democrat Party.... What makes you think the American people will buy it for 2020???
We gave the Democrat Party full control of the government and a "progressive" President for 8 years...
And Dumbocrats couldn't do squat...
The people elected President Trump because we were tired of all the bullshit, the lies and the broken promises..
And considering the Democrat Party of the last few months??
The American people are going to stick with President Trump... You don't trade in an Arabian who is doing awesome for a jackass who can't find their ass with both hands and a miner's helmet..
CW, great rant. Wish I could write like that.
Michale, you oughta give it a break. Take a good walk or something. Clear your head.
Michale, you oughta give it a break. Take a good walk or something. Clear your head.
Why?? Do ya'all need a break from the facts and reality??
The truth about your Party starting to get ya down??
Congrats... You have taken the first baby step towards free thinking and breaking the chains of Party slavery..
Keep it up... :D
Clear your head.
My head is perfectly clear.. Ironically enough, with one or two exceptions, I am the most clear-headed on here.. :D
My head is perfectly clear.. Ironically enough, with one or two exceptions, I am the most clear-headed on here.. :D
This is evidenced by the FACT that I know, as I always have known, ya'all's Russia Collusion bullshit was a bunch of hysterical lies..
Compare that to ya'all who, even after ya'all's golden boy, Mueller, totally absolved and exonerated President Trump of ya'all's bullshit Russia Collusion accusations, ya'all STILL believe that President Trump is guilty of Russia Collusion..
Given these facts, it's clear who is the clear-headed one and who is completely and utterly delusional...
Nancy is tightening the noose around Trump, and he knows it.
She is running this very astutely.
She got most of the Democrats to focus on legislation and building the platform for 2020. She let the powerful committees investigate Trump. A nice one-two against the Republicans - punching the leader in the nose while delivering unanswered body blows to their party.
And you can see she knows it is working, because she is delivering the sucker punch - outplaying Trump on the public stage.
He is so busy trying to stop information about his crimes coming out that he has left himself open to being made a fool of in public. He probably thought Nancy was another Jeb - he could flush her dead down the toilet at will like a sad little bully in his own playground - but he picked the wrong fight, she is telling him to jump up and down and act like a buffoon, and he is doing exactly what he has been instructed to do.
It must really hurt all the losers who thought Trump was some sort of smart-guy-for-the-people to see a San Francisco grandmother give him a humiliating lesson in public.
This is how to beat the clown - make sure he loses it and goes on a clown-rage - humiliation is his kryptonite, and Nancy is making him look more and more pathetic in public every day.
You know that Trump follows Nancy's every word, and more importantly, Nancy knows that Trump follows Nancy's every word. This is why the digs to his intellect and manhood are so well delivered - take this recent example:
“Sometimes when we’re talking to him he agrees,” she said, only to change his mind. “He says he’s in charge and he may be.”
"... and he may be." - Now Trump has to prove to Nancy that he is in charge. This should be amusing.
If Nancy keeps needling Trump, she can allow the field to attack him on a political level and keep to the high ground. I assume this has been thought out, you know, Nancy probably colluded with the front runners to help them behind the scenes so they can be innocent of any playground antics, all the while having the committees drag him through courts trying to stifle free speech and transparency.
I seem to recall when the GOP had Congress and was passing a SLEW of legislation and made the exact same crowing statement about all the legislation they had passed.
And ya'all ridiculed such claim and said, "If they are just passing shit that they KNOW won't get signed into law, they aren't really passing anything." or words to that effect..
Now that it's DUMBOCRATS who are passing shit they KNOW won't get signed into law, ALL OF THE SUDDEN passing shit is the cat's meow...
Funny how that is, eh? :D
Another delicious Nancy quote really inserted the stiletto.
Nancy goaded Trump into a hissy fit in front of the press, then made him pay twice for it. Firstly he looks like a clown crying about being investigated, then she reminds him he isn't very good at his real job:
“For some reason, maybe it was lack of confidence on his part ... he took a pass [i.e. left the room without discussing infrastructure], and it just makes me wonder why he did that,”.
The "maybe it was a lack of confidence on his part" is playing like a brain worm tune in Trump's head. She is really messing with him. It almost isn't fair for somebody intelligent to humiliate a child-man, but he needs it for his own good - she really is only helping him. At his next birthday he might be able to put 10 grown up candles on his birthday cake along with the 63 child candles. And maybe he can just have one scoop of ice cream, or at least let other people have two scoops if they want.
And ya'all ridiculed such claim and said, "If they are just passing shit that they KNOW won't get signed into law, they aren't really passing anything." or words to that effect.
Yeah, nobody here said any of that, but you keep making stuff up if it gets you over the spanking Nancy is giving Trump every day.
Yeah, nobody here said any of that, but you keep making stuff up if it gets you over the spanking Nancy is giving Trump every day.
Of course ya did...
Just like ya'all believe the Russia Collusion delusion...
The "maybe it was a lack of confidence on his part" is playing like a brain worm tune in Trump's head. She is really messing with him.
Whatever you have to tell yerself to get over the fact that ya Dumbocrats were totally, completely and utterly decimated by the exoneration of President Trump over ya'all's Russia Collusion delusion.. :D
https://youtu.be/xki6ptcUg5c
THat's what happens when you bring a hatchet to a gun fight.. :D
If Democrats had their way, we would ALL be disarmed and at the mercy of hatchet wielding scumbags...
Byron York: Obama-era intelligence officials fretting because 'we don't know what they did'
Why are Obama-era intelligence officials so concerned with President's Trump's call to declassify information regarding the origins of the Russia probe?
"Because we don't know exactly what they did," Washington Examiner chief political correspondent Byron York said Friday on "The Story with Martha MacCallum."
Trump vowed Friday to uncover the origins of the Russia investigation for all to see after he approved the declassification of documents related to the surveillance of his campaign during the 2016 presidential election.
DOJ AGREES TO SHARE SOME MUELLER DOCUMENTS WITH DEMOCRATS
“We are exposing everything,” the president said Friday.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., blasted the president for allowing the release of classified materials, calling it a “corrupt escalation of the president’s intention” to politicize the intelligence community.
York argued that the president and Attorney General Barr are trying to get to the bottom of a story that has become a public concern.
"We are learning in dribs and drabs something we need to have a bigger picture on that's what the president and attorney general are trying to get at," York said.
As for concerns that confidential material will be released York says that that will be Barr's job to ensure that what needs to remain confidential will.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/byron-york-obama-era-intelligence-officials-worried-because-we-dont-know-what-they-did
Dumbocrats are crapping their pants... :D
Naomi Wolf was destroyed by her research bias
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/naomi-wolf-was-destroyed-by-her-research-bias/
This is why it's impossible to believe Left Wingers about ANYTHING...
They get these preconceived notions and then create fantasies masquerading as fact to support their bigotry...
It's a pattern that is obvious over and over again..
Trump-Russia: The Knives Are Out
By Eric Felten, RealClearInvestigations
May 25, 2019
Now that the Russia collusion allegations have evaporated, the long knives are out and the president’s antagonists are watching their backs. They have moved from accusing President Trump of treason to pushing revisionist narratives that try to shift the blame for the debunked probe onto others.
This effort is expected to accelerate following Trump’s decision Thursday to empower Attorney General William Barr to declassify CIA, Pentagon, and Director of National Intelligence documents as necessary to access “information or intelligence that relates to the attorney general’s review” of the Russia probe.
In other words, he’s gaining the authority needed to investigate the investigators.
CIA sources immediately objected in the New York Times that assets’ lives would be at risk, stunting Langley’s ability to recruit. Perhaps. But the argument is a bit shopworn, raising the question whether intelligence managers are looking to protect their agents and sources, or aiming to protect themselves.
There are a growing number of indicators that the leading players in the 2016 election drama are turning on one another, making a mad dash for the lifeboats to escape being dragged under with the political Titanic that is Christopher Steele and his dossier. These are many of the same people who had been eager to exploit the dossier, that collection of memos paid for by the Clinton campaign and supposedly sourced from Russia. Once treated like the Rosetta stone of collusion, the Steele documents now seem even to Trump antagonists more like the Howard Hughes diaries.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/05/25/trump-russia_the_knives_are_out.html
SQUIRM Trump/America haters!!! SQUIRM!!!!!
Interesting..
In September of 2015, Lynch and Comey were preparing to testify on Capitol Hill and expected to be asked about the Hillary Clinton email probe — code-named the Midyear Exam — which at that point had not been officially acknowledged. “I wanted to know if she [Lynch] would authorize us to confirm we had an investigation,” Comey told lawmakers. “And she said yes, but don't call it that; call it a 'matter.' And I said why would I do that? And [Lynch] said just call it a ‘matter.’” Comey says he reluctantly went along with Lynch’s demand, even though it gave him “a queasy feeling.” He worried “that the attorney general was looking to align the way we talked about our work with the way a political campaign was describing the same activity, which was inaccurate.”
Lynch pushed back against the notion she had twisted Comey’s arm. In April 2018 she told NBC’s Lester Holt that she didn’t remember the meeting the way Comey described it, and that the FBI director had raised no objections.
The Democrat rats are starting to point fingers at other Democrat rats.. :D
This is going to be a FUN summer.. Democrat Eats Democrat :D
Democrat Eats Democrat
I suppose that this is when the Counter-COUNTER-intel kicks in. Trump's admonition to Barr includes the ability to 'selectively' declassify intelligence.
Of course. When you're losing the game, the first thing to do is change the rules to favor your own side. This new grant to Barr is extraordinary, the first of its kind, and demonstrates exactly how much confidence Trump now has in his new lawyer.
And the hypocrisy of it hasn't been lost on anyone. Barr is still holding the entire Mueller Report hostage on the grounds that many of its components are classified.
For instance, we still don't know what many of the Court cases listed in the Report refer to, or who's on the docket.
So apparently, when Barr went looking for dirt on Hillary Clinton, he discovered what we all knew already - that after 15 investigations, most of what we DON'T know is classified. And the CIA, NSA, and DNI weren't exactly eager to give it up.
So this.
Most of whatever Barr can glean from these documents will be old Obama era stuff - hardly useful, save for making political hay in an election year.
Now I can only imagine the freak-out of those agencies today. The release of much of this could reveal sources and methods, and could result in networks being shut down or discontinued, and US assets fleeing for their lives.
And of course, some of it could reveal to Putin where HIS leaks are. That's useful.
And why? Because the president is freaked the fuck out over the Democrats getting into his taxes. So he's setting it up so that whenever that stuff comes out, he can slap back with something equally big, juicy, and entirely out-of-context.
That's how Trump rolls. We've never (in the modern age) seen a president so mean, petty, and completely unworried about national security than this one. He wants to win at any cost.
Over in the Kremlin, Putin chuckles. Barr could save him millions of rubles by doing his intelligence work for him. Best. Investment. Ever.
Of course. When you're losing the game,
Except it's Democrats who are losing the game..
You lost on Russia Collusion.. Remember??
Over in the Kremlin, Putin chuckles.
Putin's been chuckling every since you Dumbocrats went all in hysterical with ya'all's Russian COllusion delusion..
You can spin all ya want, Balthy..
But it's obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together that this is the beginning of the end of the Dumbocrat Party...
Michale,
Except the FACTS say different..
According to CBP, under the Obama administration, in 2014 there were a total of 313 deaths at the southwest border, 251 in 2015 and 329 in 2016. Under the Trump administration, there were 294 in 2017. While the numbers for both administrations are high, it's important to note that not all these deaths happened in CBP custody.
No, the FACTS say nothing of the sort. Seriously, you do not get to make up “facts” as you need them to fit your dishonest rants.
Ohhhhhhh, you said that because every person is someone’s child... I get it. So you are married to a child. You have sex with a child. You like to party with children! Yeah, moving the goalposts IS fun — I can see why you enjoy doing it so much!
What issue should I take?? It's a tragedy, but it's a tragedy of the criminals' own making..
Remind me again, what law is being broken by asylum seekers?
Dear God, man, you may be more dishonest than your idol is!
And is it just me...
Or is Ezra Bloom and Richard Evans from IMPOSTERS the spittin' image of Sam & Dean Winchester!??! :D
No, the FACTS say nothing of the sort. Seriously, you do not get to make up “facts” as you need them to fit your dishonest rants.
Fine..
Prove me wrong..
You can't because your "facts" consist of "OOOOO!!! TRUMP COLLUDED WITH RUSSIA!!!!"
:eyeroll:
Remind me again, what law is being broken by asylum seekers?
Illegal entry into this country..
DUH...
Dear God, man, you may be more dishonest than your idol is!
And yet, I have all the facts and all the reality on my side..
Why is so much dishonesty tolerated by this otherwise excellent blog, I often wonder …
Michale,
But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...
WOW! You are one sick shart! I guess we should thank you for finally admitting that you are not here to honestly discuss politics — you are only here to attack other commenters!
I guess if you are going to tell the truth about one thing, at least it is about your true motivation for being here.
Why is so much dishonesty tolerated by this otherwise excellent blog, I often wonder …
Because Party slavery is more important than principles or ethics..
WOW! You are one sick shart! I guess we should thank you for finally admitting that you are not here to honestly discuss politics — you are only here to attack other commenters!
No, I am here to ask you to honestly explain your hypocrisies...
I guess if you are going to tell the truth about one thing, at least it is about your true motivation for being here.
Son, I have been here since BEFORE day one..
Don't presume to know my motivations..
You don't have a clue..
Yer the one who is a clue-less late comer Party slave..
Trump is going to uncover the mole we have inside Putin's inner circle.
This is treason.
Because [MY} Party slavery is more important than principles or ethics..
There, fixed it for ya.
Don't presume to know my motivations..
You don't have a clue..
So you did not say:
But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...??????
Your motivations have been clear for quite a while, this is just the first time that you have admitted to what we all have suspected!
Seek counseling. Your need to attack the views of strangers who are seeking to have honest debates on the politics playing out today is a big red flag. Seriously, get help.
Trump banned Huawei on grounds it's a major security threat.
Yet, Trump announced that the company could be part of a trade agreement that once again may be just around the corner.
Since when does the US bargain away genuine security threats?
More treason.
Trump is going to uncover the mole we have inside Putin's inner circle.
This is treason.
Facts to support?? No??
Of course not..
There, fixed it for ya.
Nope...
Because unlike ALL of the Americans here...
I have no Party... :D
That's why I am so good at what I do..
I hold NO ALLEGIANCE to any Party.. :D
Seek counseling. Your need to attack the views of strangers who are seeking to have honest debates on the politics playing out today is a big red flag. Seriously, get help.
So, you have no facts to support your position..
I accept your concession..
I would also LAUGH that you consider your hysterical Trump/America hatred as "honest" debate... :D
I would DOUBLY laugh that you consider your Russia Collusion delusion as "honest" debate...
Face the facts, libtard..
You don't have an "honest" bone in your body..
How COULD you?? Yer a Democrat...
You may be good at what you do, Michale, but that doesn't make what you do right or an appropriate response to the comments of others.
And, it's not good for this blog, either.
neilm,
Trump is going to uncover the mole we have inside Putin's inner circle.
This is treason.
Great point! I honestly believe his declassification serves two main purposes:
The first is to discredit those that conducted the investigation — which is such a strange thing for a person to do if said person were truly exonerated by the investigation.
Second, to find out what happened to the counterintelligence investigation that McCabe testified he started prior to being fired. Mueller’s report does not touch on it. I am guessing that AG Barr is not in the “need-to-know” loop regarding that investigation, and therefore Trump is sweating what it has uncovered. He cannot defend against what he thinks the findings might be without risking self incrimination for crimes not uncovered by the investigation.
Trump’s wall of lies is crumbling down around him. He’s panicking and desperate. Let’s just pray he does not start a war to keep us distracted!
Russ,
Besides, let's face the facts...
You don't WANT debate..
You just want a bunch of ditto heads who simply agree with you on how bad President Trump is irregardless of any and all facts..
Trump’s wall of lies is crumbling down around him.
Yea, you have been saying that for over 2 years now.
And you STILL don't have a SINGLE FACT to support it..
You may be good at what you do, Michale, but that doesn't make what you do right or an appropriate response to the comments of others.
It may not make me RIGHT, but I am *ALWAYS* factually accurate..
And if I wasn't around there would be no FACTS here at all..
And, it's not good for this blog, either.
Neither is the constant lies and BS spewed by the Trump/America hating morons here...
I bring facts and reality..
Sue me.. :D
For example..
“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
-Mueller Report
That is FACT...
The idea that people here think that President Trump is guilty of Russia Collusion??
That is the constant lies and bullshit..
Me?? FACT...
Everyone else (NEN)?? Lies and bullshit..
Class dismissed...
The Washington Post ran a helpful review of all the other times when an announced "Infrastructure Week" crashed and burned for Trump
Question..
Did ya'all ridicule Odumbo all the times he announced a "Recovery" week/month/summer??
Of course not....
See the point???
Jon Voight declares Trump 'greatest president since Abraham Lincoln' in late-night video
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jon-voight-declares-trump-the-greatest-president-since-abraham-lincoln-in-late-night-video-message
Sounds about right... :D
See the point?
You didn't either. See the point? Everybody knew that:
1. Obama was trying to put a recovery bill in place
2. Mitch McConnell stated openly that he wouldn't work with Obama to make him a one term President, regardless of the need for a recovery package at the lowest point in our economy since the Great Depression
3. At least Obama was trying, and every time he found a way to do something, Republicans like you were screaming about him acting like a King using executive orders.
Seems like it is OK for a President with an R after his name to use them however.
"I know that this legislation wasn't supposed to go into effect until 2016, but we have the urgent need of NOW, so I am issuing an executive order that will put this legislation into effect right now."
-Future Barack Obama
What would have stopped Obama from changing the effective date of the Immigration Legislation??
You see, that's the problem when constantly lying and making end runs around legislation..
- Michale, July 5th, 2014
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2014/07/14/boehners-history-of-inaction-on-border-control/#comment-50722
And, just to keep you up to speed, Trump is clocked at 10,000 lies in his Presidency since January 2017 (and that only counts a lie once even if he says it several times at one of his Nuremburg rallies, so the actual number is a lot more).
Oh, and Obama had to issue an executive order to address an immigration crisis that the Republicans had decided to future date for 2016 (two years in the future) because they didn't want to give Obama even a bi-partisan win.
Seems immigration is only an issue for Republicans when it is convenient for them.
You, Michale, were upset with Obama for trying to address an immigration crisis, yet now you seem to be obsessed with caravans on the border even though illegal immigration has declined since Obama took action.
And, of course, Trump is issuing executive orders with abandon, even during the two years he had a Republican Senate and House:
2017: 55
2018: 37
2019: 17 (so far)
I'm sure you'll join in with the rest of the right wing condemnation of this overreach of power ... or is it only a problem when you don't like the person in the White House?
BTW, Trump's 55 executive orders when he had the house and senate on his side is more than any year Obama was in power.
Crickets.
Trump cannot explain what makes the event he was invited to in Japan so important, but he is going to be the center of attention...so he cannot wait to go!
“I am the guest, meaning the United States is the guest, but Prime Minister Abe said to me, very specifically, ‘You are the guest of honor. There’s only one guest of honor,’ ” Trump said. “I represent the country. Of all the countries in the world, I’m the guest of honor at the biggest event they’ve had in over 200 years.”
Japan knows how to get Trump to do as they wish... flattery!
@russ,
it's not exactly a state secret.
nypoet22,
You are right that everyone knows an investigation was started, but that doesn’t mean that the progress of the counterintelligence investigation is known by anyone but the investigators.
Think about it...this is a COUNTERINTELLIGENCE investigation conducted on the very highest level individual in our government and by default, every person his presidency has put in office. It is unprecedented in its scope and magnitude. The potential damage that could be done by a compromised president is unthinkable. I am not suggesting that Trump is a double agent — he’s way too stupid to pull that off — but he could easily be an unwilling asset that Russia is manipulating into doing their wishes... keeping that investigation out of prying eyes might be tougher to do if Barr is able to declassify any part of it.
We know that Trump has long relied on the Russians to finance his organization’s projects. Years before he decided to run for president, Trump’s sons bragged that they were getting all the funding they needed from Russia. And it is largely believed that the Russians were laundering money through his properties. (Why this wasn’t focused on more during the election still blows my mind). Trump is definitely compromised, that isn’t even up for debate — he lies so much and his ego so fragile that he is a huge risk for being blackmailed. If that has occurred, our intelligence agencies would have to keep him in the dark until he is out of office before they could act.
2. Mitch McConnell stated openly that he wouldn't work with Obama to make him a one term President, regardless of the need for a recovery package at the lowest point in our economy since the Great Depression
How is that any different than your Dumbocrats pushing lies and bullshit to illegally remove a freely, fairly and legally elected President from office??
And, just to keep you up to speed, Trump is clocked at 10,000 lies in his Presidency since January 2017
That's because you define 'lie' differently than those who are NOT Party slaves.
If I defined 'lie' as you do, Odumbo would have had over a million lies..
<I.BTW, Trump's 55 executive orders when he had the house and senate on his side is more than any year Obama was in power.
So???
Odumbo created the EO power (something which you applauded at the time) and then handed that power over to President Trump..
And you whine and cry when Trump... er.. excuse me.. PRESIDENT Trump.. uses it..
How is that not hypocrisy??
it's not exactly a state secret.
Like I said.. These Trump/America haters just throw all sorts of shit up on the wall..
"OH MY GODS!!!! TRUMP GOT OUT OF BED THIS MORNING!!!! HE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED!!!!"
-Weigantian Trump/America haters
#sad
Re: #66
Not a single fact to be found..
Nothing but hysterical Trump/America hate...
I am also constrained to point out that NO ONE here condemned Odumbo's lies.
Oh sure.. The lies were pointed out and reluctantly acknowledged by a select few of Senior Weigantians...
But NONE of the lies were ever condemned..
So, obviously, the facts clearly show th lying is perfectly OK with everyone here...
As long as the liar has a -D after their name...
The first is to discredit those that conducted the investigation — which is such a strange thing for a person to do if said person were truly exonerated by the investigation.
No one NEEDS to discredit those who conducted the investigation.
Their ACTIONS already discredited them.. We're only bringing those actions into the open for all to see..
Why are you so against transparency?? Why are you afraid to have the actions of the investigators investigated??
What are ya'all who are screaming hysterically about the DOJ's many investigations of Demcorats so scared of??
And, unlike the bullshit witch hunt of the Trump/America haters, the DOJ's many investigations won't hurt the country.. They will HELP the country..
Of course, the DOJ's many investigations may destroy the Dumbocrat Party...
But that's a big part of that which will HELP the country..
WOW...
FIRED UP, READY TO GO? Angry Hillary energizes 1,500 Dems in Texas
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/fired-up-ready-to-go-angry-hillary-energizes-1500-dems-in-texas/
Hillary sounds like a candidate!! :D
If Biden can run, so can Hillary.. :D
END OF WATCH
Police Officer Jesus Marrero-Martínez
Manatí Municipal Police Department, Puerto Rico
End of Watch: Saturday, May 25, 2019
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c1f544ea7b54a58eeb922b13ed887fee999c194c40e07aed62a98eda2ef6593.jpg
JL,
From previous commentary...
it's always the tendency to exaggerate the positives or negatives of the current president when compared to a more remote past.
Granted..
hell, maybe against all odds it will end up working to our country's benefit.
It certainly has in the short term...
it seems like the president tried and failed to collude with russia,
Could you quote the part of the Mueller report that leads you to this conclusion??
Because, based on my own reading, it appears that there were minions under the President, far down the food chain, who might have showed some desire to get dirt on Hillary via Russian sources..
That is not at all illegal, doesn't really amount to "collusion" and all of it was done without the direction or knowledge of then-Candidate Trump..
donald may not be a great president, but he certainly has been a great president for comedians.
As was Obama if more Right Wing comics existed..
I mean, seriously.. Those dumbo-ears alone would be a comic's dream if said comic wasn't joined at the hip to the Demcorat Propaganda machine..
The full measure of Saint Ronald Reagan's greatness wasn't measured til long after he left office.
President Trump will likely follow the same pattern..
For Pelosi, the biggest test awaits: Impeach or not impeach?
Pelosi knows that public opinion overall is not on the side of the Democrats. A majority of Americans continue to oppose impeachment. But public opinion among Democrats is in a different place. That's why a number of candidates for the Democratic nomination have expressed their support for at least the opening of an inquiry. It's a popular position with the base.
Pelosi can play both sides only for so long. At some point, she and her committee chairs will have to make a decision. That may not be for months, given the legal machinery now clanking along. She will try to keep deferring an ultimate decision, but the consequences of acting or not acting become more pressing as time passes.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/For-Pelosi-the-biggest-test-awaits-Impeach-or-13896496.php
What is so ironic here is that, if President Trump is as bad as ya'all and the rest of the Dumbocrats claim, then there shouldn't be **ANY** question.. Dumbocrats have a DUTY to impeach...
The fact that they refuse proves that it is THEY who are playing politics and putting Party before Country..
The Dumbocrats KNOW that impeachment is a losing battle and yet, THAT is the path that President Trump is forcing them down...
Once again, President Trump sets the tune and FORCES the Dumbocrats to dance to his tune.. :D
WOW...
The MLK tapes: Secret FBI recordings accuse Martin Luther King Jr of watching and laughing as a pastor raped a woman, having 40 extramarital affairs - and they are under lock in a U.S. archive, claims author
The shocking unearthed tapes have been analyzed by biographer David Garrow
Material shows the scale of King's philandering and claims he fathered a child
It also show how King looked on while Logan Kearse raped a parishioner
Revelations could lead to a 'painful historical reckoning' for the civil rights hero
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7071713/FBI-tapes-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-40-affairs-laughed-friend-raped-parishioner.html
Looks like Martin Luther King's reputation is going to take a hit..
This won't do anything good for race relations.. :^/
Secret FBI recordings accuse Martin Luther King Jr - and they are under lock in a U.S. archive, claims author
So, if they're 'under lock' in an archive, how does the author know about them, or if they're real or not?
Gawd, the mischief done by the right on long weekends...
In April, Trump tweeted a video that dishonestly purported to show muslim Rep. Ilhan Omar downplaying 9/11.
These sorts of attacks are becoming more common.
So, if they're 'under lock' in an archive, how does the author know about them, or if they're real or not?
Gawd, the mischief done by the right on long weekends...
Any facts to support this came from the Right??
Of course not..
Just more hysterical fear-mongering and political bullshit without a SHRED of fact to support it..
These sorts of attacks are becoming more common.
And so are America Hating Dumbocrats dismissing terrorist attacks as no big thing...
It's funny..
As soon as I posted that MLK report, I *KNEW* someone here would be hysterical and try to blame it on Trump or the GOP or the "Right"....
Gods, you people have become a caricature of hate and bigotry....
Easy to predict and IMPOSSIBLE to take seriously...
And what makes your hysterical bigotry all the more laughable is the documented FACT that the GOP were MLK's biggest allies and it was DEMOCRATS who were his biggest foes...
Funny how that is, eh??
GOP were MLK's biggest allies and it was DEMOCRATS who were his biggest foes...
You're twisting history around. There were bigots in the south that didn't like King, and yes, they were allied with the Democrats. But as soon as King's agenda was adopted by Johnson, they all flipped to Republican. The Democrats said "good riddance".
Look up "the Southern Strategy" for more detail. Or even better yet, look up who those bigots are voting for these days.
You're twisting history around.
It's a documented fact that, in MLK's time, the Democrat Party was the KKK Party..
You can't ignore facts because they are not palatable to your Party slavery..
And you have yet to explain the connection between this report and the GOP...
Other than in your tortured deluded world where President Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election, everything bad and evil is the fault of the GOP and Dumbocrats are as pure as the driven snow..
Utah judge suspended for criticizing Trump on social media and in court
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/utah-judge-suspended-criticizing-trump-social-media-court-n1010331
Like I said...
Odumbo judges....
Because, based on my own reading, it appears that there were minions under the President, far down the food chain, who might have showed some desire to get dirt on Hillary via Russian sources..
Reading of what? The Drudge Report? Trump’s tweets?
And by people “far down the food chain”, you mean his son, Roger Stone, Papadopoulos, Kushner, Manafort, and Gates....just to name a few, correct?
That is not at all illegal, doesn't really amount to "collusion" and all of it was done without the direction or knowledge of then-Candidate Trump..
First, a campaign receiving assistance directly from a foreign government is against the law, no matter how badly you wish that it was not.
And you know Trump had no knowledge of this HOW? Because he said he didn’t?!? You believe the man who lies with every breath that this one time he is telling the truth?
His idiot son — who Trump personally wrote the dishonest denial letter for and who Trump doesn’t trust to wipe his own ass without first asking for daddy’s permission — set up the meeting without telling daddy? Cohen testified that Junior told daddy about it.
I am also constrained to point out that NO ONE here condemned Odumbo's lies.
Oh sure.. The lies were pointed out and reluctantly acknowledged by a select few of Senior Weigantians...
But NONE of the lies were ever condemned..
Prove it! You accuse us of these actions, but NEVER offer any evidence to support your accusations. So put up or shut up, troll!
Oh wait, you aren’t here to actually debate or discuss politics! What was it that you said to me???
But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...
Scurry back under your fridge, roach.
Reading of what? The Drudge Report? Trump’s tweets?
You didn't read the Mueller report??
First, a campaign receiving assistance directly from a foreign government is against the law, no matter how badly you wish that it was not.
Facts to support??
None??
Of course not..
And you know Trump had no knowledge of this HOW?
Do you have any facts to support??
No??
Of course not...
His idiot son —
Wow.. Attacking a man's children..
What a scumbag you have become..
Prove it!
You can't prove a negative moron..
But YOU can prove me wrong by finding all the comments where you condemned Odumbo..
But you can't find those comments because you never have condemned Obama..
The facts are clear..
On the OTHER hand, **I** have the FACTS...
“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
-Mueller Report
Where are your facts, Russ??
Non-existent..
You can't prove a negative moron..
So you are once again attacking people on here claiming we are hypocrites without offering any evidence to support your claims!!!
But then again, why would you actually pretend to that your posts are concerned with the truth... you are just here to troll others because you can’t defend Trump!
But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...
Pathetic.
Michale [92]
It isn't that they didn't conspire' (as defined, of course, by those frantic to explain Hillary's defeat), everybody KNOWS they did, Trump did it on national TV, and Jr. publicized the tower visit and said he'd love to have the "dirt".
Of course, the Dem's problem is, nothing the campaign did was illegal, but I tried for 2 1/2 yrs to convince Kick that that fact makes a big difference, and I failed miserably, and you ain't gonna do a damn bit better.
Why keep flogging that dead horse? Leave'em in their PTSD induced state of perpetual shock, they ain't never coming out!
Why keep flogging that dead horse? Leave'em in their PTSD induced state of perpetual shock, they ain't never coming out!
For the same reason I would help a handicapped person across the street..
These people here are mentally handicapped and need all the help they can get to get thru their pathetic Party slavery life..
Once again, we find out that a quote supposedly made by President Trump was total bullshit..
TIME MAGAZINE COLUMNIST’S TRUMP QUOTE WENT VIRAL — THEN HE ADMITTED HE MADE IT UP
Time Magazine columnist Ian Bremmer on Sunday tweeted a quote from President Donald Trump about North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un that quickly went viral — but it wasn’t real.
“President Trump in Tokyo: ‘Kim Jong Un is smarter and would make a better President than Sleepy Joe Biden.'” Bremmer wrote on Twitter.
While Trump did praise the North Korean dictator’s insult of former Vice President Joe Biden, the president never said what Bremmer quoted him saying — because Bremmer made it up. (RELATED: 9 Times The Media Pushed Misinformation About Brett Kavanaugh)
Bremmer left the false post up for several hours before conceding he made up the quote and deleting the tweet, which he defended as “plausible.”
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/26/ian-bremmer-fake-trump-quote/
Which, once again, begs the question..
If the FACTS are so gods-awful bad about President Trump....
Why do the hysterical Trump/America haters have to make up LIES???
So you are once again attacking people on here claiming we are hypocrites without offering any evidence to support your claims!!!
Do you have ANY facts to support your claims, Russ??
No, you never do..
Once you start providing FACTS to support your claims, THEN we can discuss the obvious and blatant facts that support my claims..
Donald Trump makes good on a promise but Dems cry ‘coverup’
Timing is everything, and timing explains President Trump’s decision to finally pull the ripcord and open the Obama administration’s bag of dirty tricks.
With his memo giving Attorney General Bill Barr the authority to declassify any documents related to the investigation of the 2016 campaign, Trump made good on a longstanding promise. Most important, his decision signaled that the War of Washington is entering a crucial new phase.
The president is going nuclear.
Democrats who thought control of the House gave them control of the agenda now will face stiff competition. Their expressions of outrage will seem tired next to the sensational revelations about the actions of Jim Comey, John Brennan and others.
Based on what we already know, it is highly likely those revelations will prove the White House, FBI and CIA engineered the greatest scandal in American political history by unjustified spying on Trump and by trying to tip the election to Hillary Clinton.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/26/donald-trump-makes-good-on-a-promise-but-dems-cry-coverup/
Funny how Dumbocrats just LOVE investigations...
Until THEY are the target of them..
:eyeroll:
Why Mueller may be fighting a public hearing on Capitol Hill
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/445534-why-mueller-may-be-fighting-a-public-hearing-on-capitol-hill
And the facts come out.. :D
Let’s Call the Russian Collusion ‘Hoax’ What it Really Is
During the Japanese bombardment of Shanghai in 1932, the Austrian essayist Karl Kraus was anguishing over the placement of commas in a column. It might seem futile at such a moment, he told a friend, but “if those who are obliged to look after commas had always made sure they were in the right place, then Shanghai would not be burning.”
Hyperbolic? Perhaps. But the general point holds: words matter, as do the their appurtenances, punctuation. (After all, “Let’s eat Grandma” means something quite different from “Let’s eat, Grandma.”)
George Orwell made a kindred observation about the importance of having the courage to call things by their real names. Euphemism, the counterfeit of good manners, is the enemy of truth, which is the only ally worth having.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/05/25/lets-call-the-russian-collusion-hoax-what-it-really-is/
It's ironic..
For all ya'all's claims of President Trump's "lies", it's the hysterical Trump/America haters who are the biggest liars.. And TRUTH is the ally of President Trump..
In fact, it was not so long ago that I was resigned to the eventuality that no one would be held to account, not John Brennan or James Comey, not Peter Strzok or Lisa Page, not James Clapper or Sally Yates or Samantha Power.
Barr’s arrival on the scene has made me rethink my resignation. But whatever happens to those individuals, it now seems clear that Barr’s investigation will reveal for all to see that what began in 2016 or even 2015 and continued until and beyond the day that Robert Mueller deposited his nearly 500-page report clearing the president of “collusion” was not a hoax at all. It was an attempted coup.
We should face up to that unpleasant fact and call things by their real names. The actions taken by the Obama Administration threatened not just Donald Trump and his presidency but the very processes and protocols by which the peaceful transition of power has been effected in the United States. As L.J. Keith observed, “Even in the most contentious elections and after disputed results, there was never been this sort of dangerous, systematic, deliberate rejection of the will of the people. The abrogation of the constitution to use extrajudicial methods to destroy the incoming president. It is the very definition of a coup.”
Indeed. So let’s call it what it is. A coup.
Fortunately for the American people AND the world..
It was an ATTEMPTED coup..
Thank the gods it failed..
Nice try, people.. But, once again.. YOU LOST....
"Well, I'm going to say something outrageous: I know how to make government work," Biden said Saturday, adding, "I helped make this government work before. And I can make it work again. To me, our principles must never be compromised. But compromise itself is not a dirty word. Consensus is not a weakness — it's a necessity. It's how this government was designed to work."
That is not popular with progressives who want bold change, and they don't trust Biden to hold the line on those principles.
"I will be damned if the same politicians who refused to act then [in recent decades] are going to try to come back today and say we need to find a middle-of-the-road approach to save our lives," progressive star Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York said after hearing Biden could be crafting a "middle-of-the-road" climate change approach.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/24/726433232/biden-sanders-highlight-familiar-split-in-democratic-party
You see? Party purity is going to take the driver's seat in the Dem primary...
As I predicted...
Report: Obama’s Spying On The Press Was Far More Extensive Than Previously Thought
The full extent of Obama’s actions against the press are only now coming to light.
The Columbia Journalism Review reports on a newly released government document showing that the Obama Justice Department engaged in a far more sweeping effort to spy on the Associated Press than previously believed.
“In 2013, the Justice Department launched a brazen attack on press freedom,” the CJR notes, “issuing sweeping subpoenas for the phone records of The Associated Press and several of its reporters and editors as part of a leak investigation. At the time, the subpoenas were widely seen as a massive intrusion into newsgathering operations. Last month, we learned that they told only part of the story.”
The spying came in the wake of the AP’s reporting on a thwarted Yemen-based bomb plot, which contained classified information about the CIA operation. Months later, the AP learned that the DOJ had vacuumed up two-months of phone records on 21 different lines trying to find the leaker.
https://issuesinsights.com/2019/05/25/report-obamas-spying-on-the-press-was-far-more-extensive-than-previously-thought/
Remind me again how the Odumbo administration was pure as the driven snow??
I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS that prove that Odumbo and his minions were more corrupt than President Trump could ever hope to be..
"Well, well, well.. Looks like the freshly driven snow has a few tire tracks thru it.."
-Janet Wood, THREES COMPANY
ELMER FUDD NADLER
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2019/05/22/gary_varvel_gary_varvel_for_may_22_2019_5_.jpg
heh
@CRS,
'sides....
We were treated to 2+years of the Dumbocrats' Russia Collusion delusion daily, sometimes even hourly...
Surely the exposure that it was all bullshit, an attempted coup, warrants at LEAST a year of:
BBBWBBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Told ya so!!!
Eh?? :D
But, look at the bright side..
At least it won't cost ya'all $35 million... :D
Trump to Bill Sponsors for Immigrants' Welfare Benefits
Anyone sponsoring an immigrant who collects welfare benefits before becoming a legal permanent resident could be on the hook for the bill. That’s according to a new presidential memorandum set to be released Thursday by the White House.
President Trump will sign the memorandum directing federal agencies to ensure that any individual sponsoring a noncitizen must take financial responsibility for any income-based welfare benefits that immigrant receives.
The move is meant to promote self-sufficiency for noncitizens and preserve the social safety net for people living legally in the country, a senior administration aide told RealClearPolitics.
“This is a historic, transformative action to restore the foundational principle of U.S. immigration law: that those seeking to join our society must support themselves financially. Furthermore, those who, for whatever reason, cannot support themselves financially, must turn to their sponsor -- not the federal government,” the aide said.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/05/23/trump_to_bill_sponsors_for_immigrants_welfare_benefits.html
Nice... JUST what we need!!!
President Trump... Making America GREAT Again... :D
Oh Balthy..
Still waiting for you to provide a connection between the "Right" and the author who exposed MLK's private life...
No facts to support???
Hokay.. I accept that..
So, Trump is in dumb treason mode again with North Korea.
He thinks he and Kim have great chemistry and his deal making prowess will stun our military and intelligence communities, what with his "stable genius" skills, and all that.
Instead he is selling America down the toilet again due to his delusions and stupidity.
But the right wing will just ignore this again, because for them, it isn't about America leading, but about the people that don't like, other Americans of course, being unhappy.
The treason runs deep with the right wing.
Time for decent, real Americans to stand up.
The treason runs deep with the right wing.
Yea, that's what you said with your Russia Collusion delusion..
Then the FACTS showed that it was Dumbocrats who was committing treason by trying to removed a freely, fairly and legally elected POTUS..
Time for decent, real Americans to stand up.
They did... And President Trump was elected and ya'all LOST again and again and again... :D
So, Trump is in dumb treason mode again with North Korea.
"Please tell Vlad that if he can give me help to win my election, I can be flexible for him in my second term."
-Barack Odumbo
THAT is treason...
I know that impeachment is deserved for this clown, but politically it would be a mistake - the Senate would "clear" him and he'd strut about like a low rent Mussolini for the rest of his term.
The far better method, and faster as well, is to let him continue to ignore subpoenas and court orders and precipitate a constitutional crisis in the lead up to 2020.
He can then be cast, with glaring evidence, as a criminal covering up his crimes. We've already seen how the "cover up" label gets under his thin skin - you just know that Nancy and Chuck are going be be making sure that narrative is in play all through 2020.
That is the strategy to follow - if you want to attack Trump legally, use the real court system, not the political one.
All we have got from 2 1/2 years of Trump has been a Tax Bill for your boss, unAmerican behavior, kids locked up and dying in cages, and criminals in the White House - some of whom have already gone to jail, some of whom are on their way.
Make America Great Again?
I can't remember when promoting inequality and hatred by criminal leadership was "great" - maybe one of the deluded can try to explain it.
On Memorial Day, let's remember that we honor the fallen and hurt, and we vow to make sure that the price that paid meant something to America.
Will the right wing stand up to Trump and Bolton and stop them starting an election oriented war with Iran?
Bolton spent his time in college agitating in favor of the Vietnam war, but when called up said "I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy".
President Bone Spurs is obviously a traitor.
Right wingers - the nut case will listen to you. Tell him you don't want another Middle East war with American soldiers dying for no reason.
Could Nigel Farage become prime minister with the Brexit Party? https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/27/nigel-farage-become-prime-minister-brexit-party-9695684/?ito=cbshare
Looks like Liberals are on the run all over the world....
I know that impeachment is deserved for this clown, but politically it would be a mistake -
So, when Democrats start to push impeachment, you will point out that they are making a mistake??
Of course you won't.. You'll back them to the hilt like a good little Party slave...
That is the strategy to follow - if you want to attack Trump legally, use the real court system, not the political one.
10,000 quatloos says you'll change your tune when Dumbocrats push impeachment..
On Memorial Day, let's remember that we honor the fallen and hurt, and we vow to make sure that the price that paid meant something to America.
Says a Democrat whose Party platform is spitting on the US military members..
Will the right wing stand up to Trump and Bolton and stop them starting an election oriented war with Iran?
Actually Trump is breaking with Bolton.. By why let FACTS ruin a perfectly good rant..
President Bone Spurs is obviously a traitor.
Right wingers - the nut case will listen to you. Tell him you don't want another Middle East war with American soldiers dying for no reason.
You mean, like the wars yer messiah ODUMBO gave us???
It's always hilarious to see people who have never served attacking the military..
All we have got from 2 1/2 years of Trump has been a Tax Bill for your boss, unAmerican behavior, kids locked up and dying in cages, and criminals in the White House - some of whom have already gone to jail, some of whom are on their way.
Not factually accurate..
But why let FACTS interefer with more hysterical delusions from the Trump/America haters..
President Trump seems to be playing the Dems perfectly...He knows how disappointed they are that Mueller completely exonerated President Trump over Russia Collusion..
President Trump is getting the Dems all riled up to the point that they are not thinking straight...
Apparently, that is Trump superpower.. Get enemies so riled they make bonehead mistakes...
Foundation statement of the Democratics' mind-set going foward into perpetuity:
Did he 'collude'? Certainly!
Did he 'connive'? Absolutely
Did he 'conspire'? Of course!
Did he 'cheat'? Definitely!
Did he break any laws? Well, Mueller says apparantly not, but WE DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE MUELLER, because 1 1/2 % of his report was redacted!
Did he break any laws? Well, Mueller says apparantly not, but WE DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE MUELLER, because 1 1/2 % of his report was redacted!
heh
The site pray4trump.com might be of interest to some. There's plenty of smart Alec-ry and profanity, but also what reads like genuine feeling. Most seems to be along the traditional lines of 'Lord deliver us'.
Re the election of members of the European Parliament (the representation Farage and Co. claim does not exist): Farage's Brexit party won 1/3 of the vote, with Remain voters largely split between the Liberal Democrats and the Green party (and at this juncture we don't know whether the reduced numbers voting Labour and Conservative are in favour of Brexit or Remain).
No one is surprised by older, less educated, relatively affluent white voters favouring Brexit, but so do some of the impoverished areas that have received substantial funding from the European Union. I'd put the chances of a future Tory government ever even attempting to make up the difference, certainly in the post-industrial areas, as somewhere between minuscule and none. That probably goes for rural areas as well, at least for the rural poor rather than affluent landowners and retirees.
No one is surprised by older, less educated, relatively affluent white voters favouring Brexit,
It always cracks me up to see people tag on "less educated" to groups whose political persuasions they don't like.. :D
Since I know ya'all love computer models.. :D
3 forecast modelers predict Trump will win in 2020
Ray Fair, a professor at Yale, "found that the growth rates of gross domestic product and inflation have been the two most important economic predictors — but he also found that incumbency was also an important determinant of presidential election outcomes."
"Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, has looked at 12 models, and Mr. Trump wins in all of them."
"Donald Luskin of Trend Macrolytics has reached the same conclusion in his examination of the Electoral College."
https://www.axios.com/trump-2020-presidential-election-forecast-models-b9a95aca-7f25-4c6a-af91-720b7828afa5.html
If Democrats had the sense that the gods gave cucumbers, they would cede 2020 and put all their energies into 2024 when they MIGHT have a chance...
Well, you know, Michale, the reason Trump wins in all of those models is because everyone and their brother - with notable exceptions, of course - considers that Biden is not who he really is.
Biden will beat Trump or I'm ready to leave the planet.
If Barr is wanting to expose those that conducted the investigation into Trump, why isn’t he letting Congress question them? It would seem like live testimony would expose them for what they truly are.
Oh wait! That is exactly what Trump doesn’t want! It would expose them as competent federal employees doing their jobs and allowing the evidence to guide their investigations.
Trump doesn’t want McGahn telling the world how scared and frantic Trump was, pissing himself at the thought of being exposed. Mueller wouldn’t say if Trump committed any criminal acts because doing so without indicting Trump would rob Trump of his ability to defend himself in court. That is most likely the reason that the actual counterintelligence report was not included in Mueller’s report to Barr.
Trump is getting desperate to distract the public from his shame being exposed...let’s just pray he doesn’t send us to war as a result!
Well, you know, Michale, the reason Trump wins in all of those models is because everyone and their brother - with notable exceptions, of course - considers that Biden is not who he really is.
I will concede that Biden has the best chance to win of all the candidates.. Not that I think Biden WILL win, mind you, but it's the Democrat Party's best shot..
But Party purity will win out over electability....
Basically Trump is Clinton and whoever Dems run will be Bob Dole..
Biden will beat Trump or I'm ready to leave the planet.
Don't do that.. You won't be around to see me gloat!! :D
Do you agree with President Trump and the North Korean leader that Biden is a low IQ individual?
Is that why you think he, among all of the other Democratic contenders, has the best chance of beating Trump?
Do you agree with President Trump and the North Korean leader that Biden is a low IQ individual?
Of course not.. Just as I don't believe President Trump is anything ya'all claim him to be..
Is that why you think he, among all of the other Democratic contenders, has the best chance of beating Trump?
Biden has the best chance of beating Trump because he is a stand-up guy who doesn't take himself too seriously..
Biden wouldn't have written off Michigan and Pennsylvania, thinking they were in the bag...
It's the very qualities of Biden that will prevent him from winning the Dem primary...
Michale: When people were polled about their votes after the referendum, a demographic that emerged, particularly in southern England, was older people with less education. This is no reflection on their intelligence, abilities or achievements--many of them simply had no opportunity for education past secondary level, perhaps not past 14. When I first began work in Adult Education, I encountered quite a few adults whose education had been completely disrupted by the war and who had been neglected in over-sized classes afterwards because they kept quiet and didn't cause trouble.
Even people born post-war were often expected to leave school at 16, go to work and contribute to the family income. Some of these went on to become successful and prosperous (not so many professions expected a university degree then, for that matter), but some did not. Those with family or friends to help get the first job would still do all right, but those who didn't were often effectively excluded from what they might have achieved with better education, whether university or not.
But a few newsreels from the 50s or 60s, or a look through popular newspapers or novels of the period, show something of the insularity of that life. Most people rarely encountered someone of a different nationality, religion, skin colour or even social background as a peer. (True of parts of the US as well.) I should say that I have learned this from people I know, as well as by having an interest in social history. I have also heard, from first generation immigrants from south Asia and the Caribbean, just how much hostility and misunderstanding they encountered, despite having been asked to migrate to the UK to fill undesirable jobs.
Of course someone from 'middle England' of those generations could travel, could encounter different people and different ideas, but they were more likely to do so as young adults if they had been to university or to a polytechnic.
Mezzo,
This is no reflection on their intelligence, abilities or achievements--many of them simply had no opportunity for education past secondary level, perhaps not past 14. When I first began work in Adult Education, I encountered quite a few adults whose education had been completely disrupted by the war and who had been neglected in over-sized classes afterwards because they kept quiet and didn't cause trouble.
While that may be true, it's also true that many people in here have commented on numerous occasions that Trump supporters are less-educated, IE stoopid...
That's the point I was trying to convey..
Looks like Europe is taking a giant leap to the Right...
Poor Liberals.. Their fantasy world i collapsing all around them...
Time to wake up and face reality, people..
President Trump is the future...
CRS:
Did he 'collude'? Certainly!
Did he 'connive'? Absolutely
Did he 'conspire'? Of course!
Did he 'cheat'? Definitely!
Did he obstruct justice? Definitely, we have 1/2 of the Mueller Report outlining the methods and attempts.
Did he appoint an AG to ignore the evidence and let him off the hook? Definitely!
Will the Democrats do their job and investigate his obstruction and other crimes? Yes, and that is what all the crying is about. He wanted it to be about "collusion" from day one and of course his minions followed along. From day one, I've pointed to money laundering and financial ties to Russian oligarchs and senior Russian officials. He even had a couple of them over to the White House after firing Comey because he thought that was going to end the investigations. He got that completely wrong.
There are plenty of areas of criminal behavior that Trump has been involved in, we just want to know if he has acted in a criminal manner - after all we had 19 investigations just into Benghazi!!!, it would seem unfair if we can't get at least one into each of Trump's possible crimes. And it doesn't matter any longer if the right wing think it is unfair when it happens to them, they don't get a choice.
This is the smartest thing that Nancy is doing. The criminal courts are far less likely to exonerate a crook that a hand picked AG and a bunch of cowards called the Republican Senate caucus.
From day one, I've pointed to money laundering and financial ties to Russian oligarchs and senior Russian officials.
From day one you have been screaming about Russia Collusion..
You have NO CREDIBILITY...
You are simply ruled by hate and bigotry..
Why should anyone believe anything you say???
So the Austrian sting operation is going to throw America's extremists a loop.
Here is the story:
1. On May 17th, 2019 a video was released from a July 2017 meeting in Ibiza, Spain, appearing to show Strache and Johann Gudenus (leaders of the far-right Freedom Party, or FPÖ) accepting proposals from a woman posing as the niece of a Russian oligarch. Russia would provide the FPÖ with positive news coverage in return for business contracts. Strache and Gudenus also hinted at corrupt political practices involving other wealthy donors to the FPÖ in Europe and elsewhere.
2. The song "We're Going to Ibiza", a popular hit song by the Vengaboys from 1999, shot up the popularity charts in Austria (you just can't make this stuff up).
3. The far-right populist Party then blamed Israeli intelligence services for the sting.
4. The far-right Trumpistas have to choose between their populist Austrian hero or Israeli intelligence services.
So far they have been running and hiding, as expected.
4. The far-right Trumpistas have to choose between their populist Austrian hero or Israeli intelligence services.
Any facts to support that Trump supporters know about this or give a damn about it??
No???
Of course you don't....
Yer like Blathy who screamed hysterically that Right Wingers were behind the MLK revelations..
And ZERO facts to support the claims.
Do ya'all HONESTLY see why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take ya'all seriously???
Because all you have is hysterical ranting bullshit..
Looks like Europe is taking a giant leap to the Right.
... 2 hours later ...
Any facts to support that Trump supporters know about this or give a damn about it??
Oops. It seems you do care about the far-right in Europe.
From day one you have been screaming about Russia Collusion.
From day one you have been lying about me screaming about collusion.
Remember, from day one I've been pointing out the likelihood of criminal activity, in particular money laundering, the Trump is involved with.
Remember, from day one I've said that Russian Intelligence are too smart to directly involve Trump or his family. They are Russia's "useful idiots", and their supporters are supporters of Russia's "useful idiots".
Don't be a supporter of Russia's "useful idiots" - it is bad for America.
neilm,
[132 & 137]
Great posts! Very well said.
I agree with you that money laundering is where Trump’s biggest sins will be uncovered. As I said above, I think Barr was not allowed to know the details of counterintelligence investigation for a reason... the FISA courts could have sealed whatever findings the grand jury uncovered and Trump is running scared that those will only be unsealed once he is out of office and able to be indicted.
Oops. It seems you do care about the far-right in Europe.
Neil, did you hit your head or something??
You didn't mention anything about "Europe"..
You specifically mentioned AUSTRIA...
Once again, you prove you are so filled with hysterical hate, you can't think straight..
I agree with you that money laundering is where Trump’s biggest sins will be uncovered.
Yea, but you also agreed with Neil about Russia Collusion and you proved to be WRONG..
So, why should ANYONE think you have ANY credibility???
Rep. Rashida Tlaib says House 'moving towards' consensus for Trump impeachment
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rashida-tlaib-house-moving-trump-impeachment
Anyone here care to comment on this moron's claim??
Don't tell me.. Let me guess..
Now ya'all SUPPORT impeachment against President Trump, right??
Even though just a day or two ago, people here were claiming that impeachment is a bad idea..
Party Slaves thru and thru... :eyeroll:
“Anyone associated with the 1994 Crime Bill will not have a chance of being elected. In particular, African Americans will not be [a]ble to vote for you. I, on the other hand, was responsible for Criminal Justice Reform, which had tremendous support, and helped fix the bad 1994 Bill!”
-President Donald Trump
:D Ouch.... That's gotta hurt! :D
Remember, from day one I've been pointing out the likelihood of criminal activity, in particular money laundering, the Trump is involved with.
And you have absolutely NO FACTS to prove your claim..
Just your undying hysterical hatred of President Trump and America..
Remember, from day one I've said that Russian Intelligence are too smart to directly involve Trump or his family.
And then you contradicted yourself by claiming that President Trump is guilty of collusion..
Which is my point. You'll say ANYTHING against President Trump.. Even bullshit that contradicts all the other bullshit..
You have become a caricature.. A perfect example of what happens to normally rational and reasonable when they are consumed by hysterical hatred..
Don't be a supporter of Russia's "useful idiots" - it is bad for America.
Yes, the Democrat Party. Useful idiots of Putin..
I don't support them. You do..
Remember, from day one I've said that Russian Intelligence are too smart to directly involve Trump or his family.
So, you will concede that President Trump has been completely exonerated of Russia Collusion??
No, of course you won't..
Even though you claim that you admire and support Russia Intelligence by praising their intelligence in not involving Trump or his family, you STILL will hold onto the bullshit delusion that Trump and his family was involved with the Russians to win the 2016 election..
You see why no one can take you seriously?? You talk out both sides of your ass...
And the Democrat Party hero is in the news again..
Michael Avenatti's bad day: Disgraced lawyer to face not 1, but 2 arraignments
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michael-avenattis-bad-day-disgraced-lawyer-to-face-not-1-but-2-arraignments
You people sure know how to pick them.. :eyeroll:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kTk78PSTtAE/maxresdefault.jpg
Thanos is a Democrat...
:D
Trump Let the Dogs Out
Those responsible for the coup attempt against the president can run but they can no longer hide.
https://spectator.org/trump-let-the-dogs-out/
The Democrat Comeuppance is at hand! :D
"RELEASE THE HOUNDS!!!"
-Montgomery Burns
:D
It's going to be glorious...
It's simply amazing how quiet things have gotten around here since Mueller exonerated President Trump on Russia Collusion...
Very similar to the dearth of comments in the aftermath of President Trump's election...
That's what happens when people confuse what they WANT with the reality and the facts..
All the facts that indicated Trump would be exonerated were there for all to see..
But there are none so blind as those who will not see...
But let it not be said that I don't throw ya'all a bone now and again..
Democrats claim victory as Trump gets battered in court
President Trump
DONALD JOHN TRUMP
Citizenship and Immigration Services union blasts Trump's pick to head agency
Texas secretary of state resigns after botched voter purge
Trump hits Biden for 1994 crime bill support
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took a beating in federal court last week, losing a pair of lawsuits aimed at hindering House Democrats' investigations into him and his administration.
The decisions indicated that Trump will ultimately lose the fights: Both judges in the subpoena cases issued their rulings swiftly and decisively, underscoring the weakness of Trump's legal arguments.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/445498-democrats-claim-victory-as-trump-gets-battered-in-court
The decisions indicated nothing but the bias and the bigotry of Democrat judges...
Democrats said much the same things when the lower courts ruled against Trump with the "muslim" ban bullshit..
Democrats ended up LOSING when the case went to the SCOTUS.. So it shall be here...
The SCOTUS court is the *ONLY* court that matters...
D.C. Judge Amit Mehta, an Obama appointee, this week found that lawmakers can move forward with their subpoena for financial records from Trump's accounting firm Mazars.
Just days later, New York Judge Edgardo Ramos, another Obama appointee, rejected Trump's request to block similar congressional subpoenas for documents from Deutsche Bank and Capital One, two financial institutions that have had dealings with Trump.
Notice the pattern???
ODUMBO judges...
Looks like the new STAR TREK titled STAR TREK: PICARD will take place in the Kelvin universe..
This is all getting so confusing.. :D
The Kelvin universe came into being because at the time, CBS and Viacom had split, and because of that split, the star trek license was also split. Bad Reboot..er..Robot, JJ Abrams company, was given the job of how to make a Star Trek that wasn't like the original. They came up with the Kelvin timeline.
Since then, lots have happened. CBS and Viacom have apparently patched things up, but Bad Robot are still in charge, making stuff that matches the Kelvin timeline (like the abysmal Discovery). Picard falls into that category.
Trouble is, that distributors still aren't sold on the new timeline, and big changes were done to bring Picard back into the trek world we all knew and loved. Bad Reboot, however, continues to insist on the Kelvin timeline. Not a single minute of the new series has been filmed yet, so there's still time to shelve the idea, boot Abrams, and make Picard's mission to save the entire series by undoing all the damage done so far.
"Where no producer has gone...before."
You didn't mention anything about "Europe"..
You specifically mentioned AUSTRIA...
You do know that Austria is in Europe, right?
I mean, you know it is "Austria" not "Australia".
Let's get a grip here Michale.
The Kelvin universe came into being because at the time, CBS and Viacom had split, and because of that split, the star trek license was also split. Bad Reboot..er..Robot, JJ Abrams company, was given the job of how to make a Star Trek that wasn't like the original. They came up with the Kelvin timeline.
Interesting info..
Since then, lots have happened. CBS and Viacom have apparently patched things up, but Bad Robot are still in charge, making stuff that matches the Kelvin timeline (like the abysmal Discovery). Picard falls into that category.
Except STD was not the Kelvin universe, it's the "real" (for lack of a better term) one...
I could forgive STD for their canon violations if it WERE the Kelvin universe..
Trouble is, that distributors still aren't sold on the new timeline, and big changes were done to bring Picard back into the trek world we all knew and loved. Bad Reboot, however, continues to insist on the Kelvin timeline. Not a single minute of the new series has been filmed yet, so there's still time to shelve the idea, boot Abrams, and make Picard's mission to save the entire series by undoing all the damage done so far.
hehehehehe.. Now THAT's funny..
I take it yer not a huge STD fan?? I think it's pretty good, but the Canon violations and their laughable attempts to cover/explain them prevents it from A)being great and B)being Trek...
You do know that Austria is in Europe, right?
But no one, least of all me, mentioned Austria. I was speaking to Europe in general..
Do you have ANY facts to tie a Trump supporter to the events you describe in Austria??
No you don't...
DO you have ANY facts to support your claim that Trump and Trump supporters are linked to ANY events going on in Austria AND in Europe...
No, you don't..
Ergo, this is just another attempt to throw a bunch of shit against the wall and hope something sticks..
It's simply amazing how quiet things have gotten around here since Mueller exonerated President Trump on Russia Collusion...
Michale, as a guy who prides himself on being factual, you really must refrain from making non-factual statements like above.
And, to do that, you really do need to read the bit in the report about collusion and conspiracy.
Don't even look at the bit of the report about obstruction because your head will explode.
@Balthasar
I wanted to hate Discovery.. They way the launched it was so tone deaf to true Trek fans...
But I have to admit, it grew on me.. I ended up enjoying both seasons, in spite of my early reservations..
Word has it that Season 3 of STD is going to take place 950 years in the future where Michael ended up...
Looking forward to seeing the USS Relativity :D
What continent do you think Austria is in Michale?
The far-right only did well in Italy and France - they tanked in other countries, and even in France they fell short of their proclaimed goal.
So, really, the message is: the far right is losing their momentum and backsliding in Europe.
[159] neilm: https://www.economist.com/charlemagnes-notebook/2019/05/26/populists-fall-short-of-expectations-in-the-european-elections
I had a great 3-day weekend. I went offline, had bar-b-q'd chicken, took a long bike ride, puttered around and generally decompressed. Catching up...
What continent do you think Austria is in Michale?
So, yer saying Austria is ALL of Europe..
Yea, you must have hit your head..
So, really, the message is: the far right is losing their momentum and backsliding in Europe.
Yea.. And Trump is guilty of Russia Collusion.. :eyeroll:
Once again, you simply CAN'T accept the facts and reality..
So, why should ANYONE think you have ANY credibility???
Troll, you are the very last person who should be commenting on anyone’s credibility!
But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...
I had a great 3-day weekend. I went offline, had bar-b-q'd chicken, took a long bike ride, puttered around and generally decompressed.
Now, THAT'S the way to do it!
Troll, you are the very last person who should be commenting on anyone’s credibility!
Actually, Moron.. Since I have been RIGHT about everything Trump and ya'all have been WRONG...
I am the PERFECT person to comment.. :D
Now, THAT'S the way to do it!
Yep, when the facts and reality is against ya...
The best thing to do for ya'all's mental sanity is to stick ya'all's heads in the sand... :D
Michale, as a guy who prides himself on being factual, you really must refrain from making non-factual statements like above.
The FACTS are clear.. I can point to half a dozen people who are NOT posting near as often as they did prior to the Mueller report...
They are embarrassed and I don't blame them...
And, to do that, you really do need to read the bit in the report about collusion and conspiracy.
Trump was exonerated on collusion and conspiracy..
All you have left is obstruction.. Which is kinda laughable because ya'all are complaining about obstruction in the investigation of a crime that never happened and wasn't even a crime to begin with....
The **SOLE** impetus for this probe was Russia Collusion...
Since President Trump has been fully and completely exonerated on that, pursuit of the other non-relevant issues is moot...
The FACTS are clear.. I can point to half a dozen people who are NOT posting near as often as they did prior to the Mueller report...
Also: You're back, and more Trumpian than ever. Did'ja ever think that it's like hitting a brick wall?
Trump was exonerated on collusion and conspiracy..
Nope, he wasn't. But whatever..
All you have left is obstruction..
Obstruction is a crime, and doesn't have to include any underlying crime. There's also the Stormy payoffs, which are a crime, but aren't mentioned in the Report.
Then, of course, there's all of the stuff that he's doing RIGHT NOW to Congress, including the denial of rightful subpoenas. That's a crime, like it or not.
Our mob president. You like that, don'tcha?
You're aren't talking like a LEO, Michale. Any LEO would know that obstruction of justice is a very serious crime, with or without quilt of the underlying crime. It's law enforcement 101.
Collusion, as the Mueller report details, was not part of the investigation because it isn't a crime. In this case, it's just bad behavior. That's why Trump et al. consistently lied about it.
Have said all of that, I think President Trump should be removed from office based simply on his interactions and relationships with some of this world's worst dictators.
The Helsinki press conference between Trump and Putin, in and of itself is grounds for the removal from office of this president.
Liz M
Re: "Collusion . . . isn't a crime. In this case it's just bad behaviour."
So where were you when I was trying to point out that fact for 2 1/2 yrs to all the other females here? I coulda used a little help!
Trump was exonerated on collusion and conspiracy..
All you have left is obstruction..
Try to understand before one of us passes away, obstruction is a crime. It comes with strong penalties including jail time for a very good reason.
It also does not need to have been successful to be punishable - this is where Trump is in trouble since he left a witness trail of his illegal attempts at obstruction.
From the DoJ Criminal Resource Manual:
There is no requirement that the defendants actions have the intended obstructive effect. See, e.g., United States v. Murray, 751 F.2d 1528 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 474 U.S. 979 (1985); United States v. Wilson, 796 F.2d 55 (4th Cir. 1986), cert. denied, 479 U.S. 1039 (1987).
Source: https://www.justice.gov/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1729-protection-government-processes-tampering-victims-witnesses-or
Your clown is a crook as well. You just can't handle it. I can't say I blame you, you've invested a lot of your ego in this guy, starting right at the beginning when I told you he was a con man with very dodgy financial practices, but did you listen? No, and that is what happens when you don't listen to neilm, you end up supporting a clown and a crook.
;)
CRS
Re: "Collusion . . . isn't a crime. In this case it's just bad behaviour."
So where were you when I was trying to point out that fact for 2 1/2 yrs to all the other females here? I coulda used a little help!
Dear God, what is it with you and Michale continuing to use that term when discussing the Mueller investigation when it has no legal meaning! Mueller did not exonerate Trump of collusion because he was never being investigated for “collusion”.
And Liz’s definition is correct only if she is saying that “collusion” is not a crime as defined by law....not that none of Trump’s actions being lumped together and called “collusion” were illegal. Again, Trump cannot be indicted while he is the sitting president, so Mueller will not accuse Trump of committing any criminal act because Trump would not have the opportunity to defend himself in court.
Working with a foreign government to get them to hack into the emails of a political rival is against the law — Roger Stone can attest to that.
Michale,
Trump was exonerated on collusion and conspiracy..
Prove it. Where in the Mueller report does he say that he found Trump was not guilty on the charge of collusion? Where did Mueller say that the investigation did not find enough evidence to warrant an indictment on the charge of collusion?
You insist on being dishonest when discussing this topic, and personally I am tired of having to rehash this same dishonest argument / play on semantics that is the crux of your defense of Trump. Because your return to this same argument time and time again after it is totally refuted and debunked by multiple people here is proof that you are not interested in actually debating politics.
All you have left is obstruction.. Which is kinda laughable because ya'all are complaining about obstruction in the investigation of a crime that never happened and wasn't even a crime to begin with....
Wow! You are embarrassing yourself with statements like this. I realize that you were supposedly an MP while you served in the military and you were never a commissioned law enforcement officer for any state, but I am fairly certain that the military’s definition for what constitutes “obstruction” is stricter for those in the military than it is for civilians. That you are arguing that obstruction of justice does not matter since Trump was not charged just shows that you are not going to accept any evidence that shows Trump broke the law — no matter how compelling it may be.
The **SOLE** impetus for this probe was Russia Collusion...
Since President Trump has been fully and completely exonerated on that, pursuit of the other non-relevant issues is moot...
Nah, what is moot is believing that you are interested in discussing politics honestly. You are here to troll and personally attack everyone’s opinion on here to avoid having to discuss issues on their merits...because you know that you cannot defend Trump’s actions.
Russ, Michale hasn't read the Mueller report. We may have to spoon feed the important parts.
And Liz’s definition is correct only if she is saying that “collusion” is not a crime as defined by law....not that none of Trump’s actions being lumped together and called “collusion” were illegal.
Well, let's just say that there was clearly enough collusive behavior between Trump et al - a lot of it in plain public view. There just wasn't enough evidence, especially gleaned from witnesses who were just barely cooperating and could have been more helpful.
Again, Trump cannot be indicted while he is the sitting president...
Nope, he wasn't. But whatever..
Yes, he was..
“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
-Mueller Report
Obstruction is a crime, and doesn't have to include any underlying crime. There's also the Stormy payoffs, which are a crime, but aren't mentioned in the Report.
And why didn't Mueller find him guilty of obstruction??
Because the facts didn't warrant it..
Duh..
You're aren't talking like a LEO, Michale. Any LEO would know that obstruction of justice is a very serious crime, with or without quilt of the underlying crime. It's law enforcement 101.
Funny how Democrats didn't think so when Clinton was impeached for Obstruction..
Funny, eh.. :D
Collusion, as the Mueller report details, was not part of the investigation because it isn't a crime.
Oh, com'on Liz..
For over 2 YEARS everyone here was saying Collusion was a crime..
And Russia Collusion was the SOLE reason for the Mueller probe to begin with.
Ya'all don't get to change your tune just because reality proved ya'all wrong and me and CRS right..
Have said all of that, I think President Trump should be removed from office based simply on his interactions and relationships with some of this world's worst dictators.
That's your opinion and I respect that..
I also disagree and point out that Democrats can always impeach..
Why don't they??
Prove it. Where in the Mueller report does he say that he found Trump was not guilty on the charge of collusion? Where did Mueller say that the investigation did not find enough evidence to warrant an indictment on the charge of collusion?
Too easy..
“did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
-Mueller Report
Dear God, what is it with you and Michale continuing to use that term when discussing the Mueller investigation when it has no legal meaning! Mueller did not exonerate Trump of collusion because he was never being investigated for “collusion”.
And yet, ALL of ya'all have been screaming hysterically about Russia Collusion since 20 Nov 2016...
Why have ya'all been using the term if it has no legal meaning??
Like Liz, you don't get to rewrite recent history because ALL of ya'all were wrong and me and CRS were right...
I won't let you..
U.S. service members seen wearing MAGA-inspired patches at Trump speech may have violated DOD rules
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-service-members-seen-with-maga-patches-on-jumpsuits-at-trump-speech/
Like I said.. The vast majority of the military are Trump supporters..
Have to wonder if the Leftist MSM would have been hysterical over the military wearing Obama inspired patches.. :eyeroll:
I was enjoying some easy reading the other day, I was looking into what constitutes a crime in the US in the context of 'collusion' with a foreign power. Seems collusion is a crime under US law when a foreign entity is involved.
-James T Canuck
So much for the claim that no one talked of collusion as a crime.. :eyeroll:
Hell, CW did MANY commentaries on Collusion.....
But NOW... Now that ya'all have been proven wrong and me and CRS were dead on balls accurate...
NOW ya'all are falling all over yerselves with your back pedaling and claims "NO ONE talked about collusion!!!"
:eyeroll:
LWYH [171]
When you ask me why I keep using the term 'collusion', I have to wonder if you've been following this blog since Trump won the election???
I only got involved here because Kick and Co. started screaming "COLLUSION" at the top of their lungs five minutes after the last vote was counted, and when I promptly pointed out that despite any "feel good" type laws to the contrary, it simply CANNOT ever be considered realistic to think that ANY politician of ANY party cannot accept an offer of "dirt" info on his opponent, even if the "dirt" is defined as "a thing of value" and if it coms from Russian Commies, and all I got was a 2 1/2 year ration of ad hominem shit for my effort to try to inject some reality and common sense into their fevered brains.
Michale,
Trump et al. had numerous contacts with individuals connected to the Russian government throughout at least 2016/17 which, along with certain actions with those individuals, constituted collusion. Once again, collusion is not a crime. Just bad behavior that Trump et al. consistently lied about.
Before, Mueller makes his statement later this morning, I wanted to post critical parts of his report having to do with conspiracy and obstruction.
First, critical parts of the report pertaining to conspiracy:
"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived that it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
"A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.
"In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of "collusion." In so doing, the Office recognized that the word "collud[e]" was used in communications with the Acting Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation's scope and that the term has frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation.
"But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. For those reasons, the Office's focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law.
"In connection with that analysis, we addressed the factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign "coordinat[ed]" - a term that appears in the appointment order - with Russian election interference activities.
"Like collusion, "coordination" does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood coordination to require an agreement - tacit or express - between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than two parties taking actions that were informed by or in response to the other's actions or interests.
"We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
Here are critical parts of the Mueller report that pertain to obstruction:
""We first describe the considerations that guided our obstruction of justice investigation, and then provide an overview of this volume:
"First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment.
"The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that "the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting president would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutional assigned functions" in violation of "the constitutional separation of powers". Given the role of the Special Counsel (SC) in the department of justice and the framework of the SC regulations, this office accepted the OLC's legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction.
"And apart from OLCs constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President's capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.
"Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted, it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President's term is permissible. The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office. And, if individuals other than the President committed an obstruction offense, they may be prosecuted at this time.
"Given those considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in safeguarding the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available."
CRS,
For the record of this blog, your comments here regarding the Mueller report, collusion, campaign finance laws, etc. have largely been false.
and all I got was a 2 1/2 year ration of ad hominem shit for my effort to try to inject some reality and common sense into their fevered brains.
Welcome to Weigantia.. :D
It's hilarious that the hilarious "Collusioners" can try and claim that they never talked about Collusion... Never once said that President Trump was guilty of it..
A cursory examination of the Weigantian archives yeilds thousands and thousands of comments on how Trump is guilty of collusion and how he is going to be arrested and frog-marched out of the oval office. There are even numerous commentaries and Talking Points devoted to the idea that Trump is guilty of collusion...
"Wait til Mueller releases the report!! You'll see!! Trump is going to be prosecuted for collusion!!!".....
Was the consensus from the Weigantian Peanut Gallery..
And then Mueller releases his report and lo' and behold, completely exonerates President Trump of collusion with the Russians..
THEN the WPG chimes in, "Oh!! We never said ANYTHING about collusion!!! Collusion is not even a crime so why would we say anything about it!!!"....
Their feeble attempts to back-pedal and say that they agreed with me and CRS all along??
Laughable.. HILARIOUSLY laughable...
For the record of this blog, your comments here regarding the Mueller report, collusion, campaign finance laws, etc. have largely been false.
This is not factually accurate..
At least with regards to the Mueller report and collusion in general goes, CRS has been dead on ballz accurate.. As have I..
And it's ya'all who have been completely and utterly wrong...
Here are critical parts of the Mueller report that pertain to obstruction:
We're not talking about obstruction..
We're talking about Collusion..
Let's finish THAT topic before we move on to ya'all's 'whataboutism's...
Trump et al. had numerous contacts with individuals connected to the Russian government throughout at least 2016/17 which, along with certain actions with those individuals, constituted collusion.
If that were factually accurate, then EVERY administration committed "collusion" when they were elected and prior to them taking office..
Simply talking to someone is not collusion..
If it were, Hillary colluded up the ass...
Before, Mueller makes his statement later this morning, I wanted to post critical parts of his report having to do with conspiracy and obstruction.
Looks like Democrats won't get Mueller in front of them.. :D
Going to be interesting to hear what Mueller has to say..
He won't be taking any questions...
Michale, meet CONTEXT; context, don't even bother.
Michale, meet CONTEXT; context, don't even bother.
Explain the relevance on "context" in THIS issue and why you believe the context is not self-evident..??
Okay, I'll try.
But, after Mueller speaks.
INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE....
Mueller doesn't question the intentions or the actions of the Attorney General..
Mueller won't provide ANY more information beyond what is in the report...
Mueller WILL NOT testify before Congress....
Sorry, Democrats..
You lose..
AGAIN.....
OK People.. You heard it direct from Mueller..
NO COLLUSION....
Can ya'all finally concede the facts???
Actually, Michale, what the Special Counsel said was that he would not testify before Congress about anything that is not stated in his report.
The CW.com blog, if it cares about the truth, really needs to do something about this:
OK People.. You heard it direct from Mueller..
NO COLLUSION....
Can ya'all finally concede the facts??? … Michale
If I was running this blog, Michale, your commenting privileges would, at this point, be summarily revoked. Perhaps, permanently.
Actually, Michale, what the Special Counsel said was that he would not testify before Congress about anything that is not stated in his report.
No, he said he would not say anything different than what is in the report..
So, there is no reason for Mueller to go before Congress unless they want him to simply read the report aloud..
If I was running this blog, Michale, your commenting privileges would, at this point, be summarily revoked. Perhaps, permanently.
Well, then it's a shame yer not running this blog..
My productivity would undoubtedly increase! :D
Explain the relevance on "context" in THIS issue and why you believe the context is not self-evident..??
Michale,
No other president or presidential candidate has ever colluded with a foreign adversary at a time when that foreign adversary undertook to systematically interfere in a presidential election, favouring one candidate while hurting another.
Only candidate and president Trump engaged in that despicable behavior. This context is unique to Trump.
Basically, ALL the information that Congress would get from Mueller, they can get from the report..
For all intents and purposes, Mueller has refused to testify before Congress..
So, there is no reason for Mueller to go before Congress unless they want him to simply read the report aloud..
Oh, I expect he will testify before Congress, if only to reach Americans who have not yet read his report.
No other president or presidential candidate has ever colluded with a foreign adversary at a time when that foreign adversary undertook to systematically interfere in a presidential election, favouring one candidate while hurting another.
Assumes facts not in evidence..
It would also depend on how you define "colluding".. In this case, conversations and knowing looks constitutes "collusion"...
EVERY President-elect has talked with Russians..
**EVERY*** ***ONE***..
It's only an issue now because it's President Trump...
Oh, I expect he will testify before Congress, if only to reach Americans who have not yet read his report.
Why would he do that?? Maybe he could do a speaking tour and read the report for those Americans who cannot red..
It's not his job to inform each and every American...
He investigated Russia Collusion. He determined that there wasn't any evidence to support the claim...
That is the beginning and end of the issue..
Mueller breaks silence, does not want to testify, says charging Trump 'not an option'
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-robert-mueller-make-statement-amid-democratic/story?id=63344952
Mueller won't be appearing before congress..
**AS I PREDICTED**
Basically, ALL the information that Congress would get from Mueller, they can get from the report..
You are certainly right about that, Michale.
Anyone who has read the report or at least large portions of it (the summaries and introductions to both volumes) didn't need to listen to Mueller or to his potential congressional testimony.
The problem is that few Americans have read the read even the introductions and summaries contained within the report.
Michale,
Help me understand what Mueller meant when he said that charging Trump was not an option?
"The report is my testimony"
-Robert Mueller
Help me understand what Mueller meant when he said that charging Trump was not an option?
You can't charge a sitting President..
You have to remove him from office first..
THEN you can charge him...
That's why Clinton wasn't "charged" with Obstruction.. He was impeached for Obstruction. If it had been successful, then he could be charged..
The problem is that few Americans have read the read even the introductions and summaries contained within the report.
Why is it a problem??
I mean, Democrats should be THANKFUL that not many Americans have read it..
If they did, Democrats could not get away with the spin that President Trump is guilty of collusion..
:D
Low Information Voters.. Democrats' best friends..
It's a problem because if they can get away with it once without any pushback from the public, then they'll probably try to do it again.
An ignorant American public is a dangerous thing because it allow falsehoods to triumph over the truth.
And, if you don't think that's a problem, then you have no business commenting at this blog.
I'm done.
(Bloomberg) -- Special Counsel Robert Mueller said Wednesday that he declined to reach a conclusion on whether Donald Trump obstructed justice, as he stopped short of delivering a full exoneration of the president.
“If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so,” Mueller said in his first public remarks in the two years since he was named special counsel. He defended his investigation, as he announced that he was closing his office and stepping down.
Mueller sent a clear signal to House Democrats who have demanded his testimony that he won’t provide any information that hasn’t already been made public. “Any testimony from this office would not go beyond this report,” he said.
The special counsel also said he found “insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy” on election interference.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mueller-first-public-statement-russia-135537084.html
How many different ways does it have to be said??
Democrats, Never Trumpers and Trump/America haters need to stop doing the bidding of Russia and Putin and just accept the facts and the reality..
“Nothing changes from the Mueller Report. There was insufficient evidence and therefore, in our Country, a person is innocent. The case is closed! Thank you.”
-President Donald Trump
If this was not the case, then Hillary Clinton would be guilty of treason and letting 4 Americans die a brutal horrible death...