'No Quid Pro Quo' Is The New 'No Collusion'
One of Donald Trump's presidential heroes is Andrew Jackson. Jackson rose to the presidency in 1828 after his first attempt failed. The centerpiece of his second campaign was to shine a bright light on the "Corrupt Bargain" in the House of Representatives, which named John Quincy Adams president in 1824 even though he had fewer Electoral College votes than Jackson (it was a four-candidate race and none of them got an outright Electoral College majority, which threw the election's decision into the House). I was reminded today of a central quote from Jackson's second campaign where he spoke about what had happened in the 1824 election, because it seems downright appropriate when discussing our current president: "There was cheating, and corruption, and bribery too." At this point, that seems to accurately sum up Trump's 2020 campaign as well.
Of course, Jackson's problems were all domestic, involving Speaker of the House Henry Clay, and Jackson's political rival John Quincy Adams. Jackson had a point, after all, since the legislature of Clay's home state of Kentucky had specifically told him to vote for Jackson in the House vote, but Clay went ahead and threw his state's vote (and his significant political weight) behind Adams -- even though not a single person in the state of Kentucky had voted for Adams in the popular election. Two days after the House elected Adams, Clay was nominated by Adams to become the new secretary of State. Hence the label "Corrupt Bargain." But even Jackson likely never would have dreamed of such election corruption stretching beyond America's shores.
Yesterday, Nancy Pelosi announced an impeachment inquiry, before the semi-transcript of the Trump call with the leader of the Ukraine was released. Doing so was a gamble, because neither she nor any other Democrat had seen the content of the document. Today, Pelosi looks prescient, since the semi-transcript is so damning. There was indeed corruption, and bribery too. All to provide Trump with the means of cheating in the upcoming election.
Please remember, throughout the entire Mueller investigation, Donald Trump's mantra was: "No collusion!" He said it at the drop of a hat, in answer to just about any question about Russian attacks on the American election system. There was no collusion, therefore he was completely innocent. "Collusion," as many have pointed out, is not a legal term at all, but what Trump meant was that there was no direct scheming between him (or his campaign) and the Russian government to help his campaign's prospects. In other words: please ignore the voluminous amounts of smoke, because at the heart there just wasn't any fire -- no collusion.
Today's call summary document shows blatant and undeniable collusion between President Donald Trump and the incoming leader of a foreign nation, to use that country's legal apparatus as a means of digging up dirt on the man Trump sees as his likely opponent in next year's election. There Trump is, in his own words, colluding with a foreign leader to improve his chances of being elected. It's the smoking gun that was missing in the Russia investigation, to put it another way. And it's got Trump himself directly doing the colluding -- not some campaign staffer or aide. There is absolutely no "plausible deniability" with this one, because there is no intermediary at all -- Trump is the one speaking, in his own words.
Which is why you haven't heard a peep out of the White House (or any other GOP apologists) this week echoing the "no collusion" talking point of the Mueller era. It is impossible to deny such collusion now, which is why they're not even bothering to any more.
No, now the talking point has morphed into: "There was no quid pro quo." This is downright laughable. After all, let's review what Trump was trying to obtain: an investigation into Hunter Biden and Joe Biden when everyone who has ever looked into the matter here and in the Ukraine has failed to find any wrongdoing. So Trump is claiming "no quid pro quo" while refusing to apply the same standard to Biden. If "no quid pro quo" is supposed to somehow let Trump off the hook, then why shouldn't it let Biden off the hook as well? This question is never asked, because the media has become so numb to Trump holding himself to a different standard than all his perceived enemies.
By screaming "No quid pro quo!" loudly enough and often enough, Trump is hoping nobody's going to bring up the rather obvious point -- that there was indeed collusion this time. Trump tried to engage the leader of a foreign country in a conspiracy to aid his election prospects, which is supposed to be illegal whether or not any quid pro quo exists.
Of course, to any open-minded reader of the document, there was indeed an implied quid pro quo, but it was of the nature of a discussion with a Mafia boss who is worried about possible wiretapping. Trump suggests that America is being "very, very good" to the Ukraine, and then expresses dismay that this isn't "reciprocal." The Ukrainian leader bends over backwards to stroke Trump's ego, including pointing out that he stayed in Trump Tower recently in New York (another unconstitutional and impeachable offense, by the way, because it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that such emoluments are indeed given by foreign governments in an effort to curry favor with Trump), and that the Ukraine wants to buy some more U.S. missiles to use in their war with Russia. Trump then interjects: "I want you to do me a favor, though..." and goes on to instruct the new leader to open up a new investigation into Joe Biden and his son. For anyone reading this with an open mind, the quid pro quo is pretty plain to see. Which is why the White House and all the GOP apologists are fighting so strongly to warp everyone into believing something different.
But all of that doesn't even matter, because even without an express threat ("You won't get any more military aid until I see some dirt on Biden," for instance), the collusion still exists. That cannot be spun in any way, at this point. It's a fact. And it's likely an impeachable offense.
The most amusing thing to watch in all of this is going to be the continuing self-destruction of Rudy Giuliani. Rudy's at the heart of the entire matter, having set up his own "shadow State Department" to do the president's bidding. He's done an end run around the diplomats, and apparently has Trump's blessing to carry on certain foreign policy negotiations on his own -- even though he is not even a government employee. He is merely Trump's personal lawyer. He is not the White House Counsel, who is charged with the legal defense of the presidency (and not the president personally). He is not part of any branch of federal law enforcement, he is not part of the State Department, nor does he have any official power to conduct any official government policy at all. And he appears to be the main instigator of the Ukraine collusion.
Rudy has convinced himself that there is a grand conspiracy involving the former U.S. ambassador to the Ukraine (appointed by Barack Obama, therefore suspect), the F.B.I., and (somehow, although not entirely unexpectedly) George Soros. Paul Manafort was smeared by this conspiracy, somehow, and Joe Biden was a part of it too. It's a grand unified conspiracy theory, in other words. And Rudy has not been shy about airing this lunacy as a way of explaining why Trump colluded with the Ukrainian leader to dig up dirt on Biden. Rudy, it bears mentioning, has no proof of any of this, never mind proof of any quid pro quo involving Biden.
Rudy Giuliani, as anyone who has witnessed him on television in the past year or so can attest, is his own worst enemy. He's also likely to become Trump's worst enemy, given his predilection for blurting out things that should never be admitted in public. Almost every time he's interviewed, he changes the entire narrative of the scandal being discussed, because his attitude is often: "Yeah, we did that... so what? You wanna make something of it?" This is a mind-boggling legal strategy, but both Giuliani and Trump have gotten away with it so far.
All of that may be coming to an end. The whistleblower's complaint may be released (in redacted form) by the end of the week. The whistleblower himself (or herself) may appear before congressional committees in the next few days as well. We're going to get all the details of what has been going on, and it's going to get increasingly hard for both Trump and Rudy to somehow sweep it under the rug. All we really need are a few more Giuliani interviews where he admits a few more jaw-dropping things, and it will become impossible even for some Republicans to continue defending such a lawless and amoral administration. Remember when the Republicans prided themselves on being the "law and order party" and the party that denounced "moral relativism"? Boy, that takes you back, doesn't it?
Donald Trump is quite obviously terrified that Joe Biden will (as Biden puts it) "beat him like a drum" in 2020. He is desperately seeking dirt on Biden, and also (for some bizarre reason) is still fixated on "the server" at the heart of Hillary's email problems. Trump is actively seeking the help of a foreign country's government in either providing such dirt or at the very least opening investigations that Trump can point to on the campaign trail as evidence of wrongdoing (note how he's not interested in proving any quid pro quo against his political opponent). He is, in a word, colluding with them to boost his own chances of re-election. He can attempt to shift the narrative from "no collusion" to "no quid pro quo," but such spin is meaningless, as the collusion has already now been proven by Trump's own words. "No collusion" is now, in Watergate lingo, an "inoperative" argument.
Or to put it all in the language of two centuries ago, as Trump's hero Andrew Jackson once said: "There was cheating, and corruption, and bribery too."
-- Chris Weigant
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He can attempt to shift the narrative from "no collusion" to "no quid pro quo," but such spin is meaningless, as the collusion has already now been proven by Trump's own words.
Well, there is that, Chris. That and the fact that "no quid pro quo" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, you know. Heh.
Reposting this from last thread - Lawfare does a detailed analysis of the "transcript":
https://www.lawfareblog.com/self-impeaching-trump-zelensky-conversation
RE: the quid pro quo: does this qualify?
"It was clear that [President Donald] Trump will only have communications if they will discuss the Biden case," said Serhiy Leshchenko, an anti-corruption advocate and former member of Ukraine's Parliament, who now acts as an adviser to Zelenskiy. "This issue was raised many times. I know that Ukrainian officials understood."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukrainians-understood-biden-probe-condition-trump-zelenskiy-phone/story?id=65863043
..And it turns out that the whistleblower's complaint was 'breathtakingly' (in the words of several of those members of congress that saw it) complete and even included the names of administration officials that could corroborate. Some of those officials have already been interviewed by the IG.
In Trump's own transcript that "though" hangs in the air like a giant foot about to stomp him. It's their own smoking gun.
And Barr's into it up to his eyeballs. He'll probably have to recuse himself. Ironic.
Oh, Barr had better not recuse himself … the president will go wholly apoplectic.
@liz,
perhaps 'no pro quo' might roll off the tongue a bit
... but there was definitely some quid.
JL
Heh.
Jackson had a point
No he didn't. There was no corruption and no bargain involved in Clay supporting Adams. Legislatures get to say how the electors are chosen. When there's no majority of electors, the House gets to choose the president -- with the legislatures having absolutely NO say in the matter.
The matter was decided the moment the electoral votes were cast. Clay detested Jackson, and had since well before the electioneering for 1824 began. There was no way he would have backed Jackson, and Adams was his only viable option. (The alternative was William Crawford, third place in the electoral college. I don't remember why he wasn't an option for Clay. Anything was better than Jackson, but I'm pretty sure Crawford wasn't a real possibility.)
I think you may have missed the point.
It's a sad day for those of us who still believe in the promise of America to realize the current American president cannot be trusted - by the American people and by political leaders around the world.
I'm trying to imagine what the newly elected Ukrainian president, someone who is not versed in normal politics let alone the kind of politics Trump engages in, must be thinking tonight.
He has to walk on eggshells to keep his country, mired in corruption during the best of times, in the good books of Donald Trump. Just one bad word or response to the American president and he'll have to come crawling on his knees to his American ally for help in fighting Russian aggression in his country. Help that, once given, could easily be taken away.
Just ask PM Netanyahu of Israel how solid the support of the American president is.
I hope this situation with Ukraine with be the thing that fully exposes Trump for who and what he is. The irony will be quite enjoyable.
I heard that the after receiving the IG’s report on the conclusions from the Whistleblower investigation, the acting - Director of National Intelligence did not go to the DOJ seeking advice on whether to forward the report to Congress, but to notify the DOJ that criminal charges needed to be considered against some of the parties involved. The Director had every intention of sending the report to Congress as the law instructs, but the DOJ and White House blocked him from doing so.
I was scrubbing the carpet in the next room (light colored carpet vs. 2 choc. Lab puppies + muddy garden soil... the carpet never had a chance!) when this was being reported on TV, so I am not even sure who was reporting it. But if this was accurate, it is even more damning than it already was. The AG was named as an co-conspirator by the president, himself, in the rough draft of the transcript — is that really the person who should be determining how the investigations should proceed?
But, Barr can't recuse himself. He's part of the Family, now.
And, if I may say, he's in pretty deep.
CW: "Collusion," as many have pointed out, is not a legal term at all, but what Trump meant was that there was no direct scheming between him (or his campaign) and the Russian government to help his campaign's prospects.
"Collusion" actually is a legal term in antitrust law and occurs between entities in price-fixing and similar consumer fraud cases, but it would have absolutely no legal meaning in the context of any "conspiracy" that may/may not exist between the narrow dictates of the Trump campaign and associates and the "Russian government"... where the overwhelming evidence of conspiracy actually does exist via multiple Russian cutouts, of which WikiLeaks and Julian Assange are the primary examples, but I digress.
No, now the talking point has morphed into: "There was no quid pro quo."
Noticed that too, did you? Talking points: We don't need no stinking talking points... because if one pays attention, if is impossible not to notice the ways in which history frequently rhymes:
Great summary, CW. :)
Balthasar
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In Trump's own transcript that "though" hangs in the air like a giant foot about to stomp him. It's their own smoking gun.
Isn't it, though?
And Barr's into it up to his eyeballs.
Isn't he, though? I said the same thing! At first I was going with "in it" "up to his knees" however then quickly deduced it was "up to his eyeballs," and I might have to amend that further still to "over his head"... and not at all owing to the fact that he's short of stature, of course.
He'll probably have to recuse himself. Ironic.
Isn't it, though? :)
JL
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perhaps 'no pro quo' might roll off the tongue a bit
Heh.
... but there was definitely some quid.
202,400,000 (at the current ever-changing exchange rate)
+113,327,200 additional kicker
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A veritable quid pie. :)
Oh, golly, there are a million things I could say about the current shitshow, but I'll just limit myself to a few:
* They are trying to "Bill Barr" the entire issue... you know, put out a summary and gaslight the gullible regarding their "innocence of any wrongdoing"... in true Orwellian fashion. #SSDD
* Speaking of Bill Barr, I might have already mentioned multiple days in a row now that he's "in it" up to his eyeballs... may have to be amended to "over his head." John Mitchell comes to mind, and there are definitely a myriad more contacts in this "Ukraine" coverup between:
-- Trump directly from the moment he phoned Zelensky in April to congratulate him and discuss Joe Biden from "word one" and first/early contact.
-- Trump's personal attorney who doesn't represent the United States.
-- The two "peas" Pompeo and Pence.
* The idiots in the White House thought it would be a good idea to release the summary of this single contact in order to help clear this whole thing up *shakes head* and wouldn't they naturally release one of the contacts they deemed less damning?
* Anyone reading the notes from the summary of the call declassified can obviously see that the groundwork for this single contact had already been well laid prior to it, and "in case you missed it," the Trump talking points surrounding this particular contact conveniently points that out for you: "The President did not mention Rudy Giuliani or Vice President Biden until after President Zelenskyy [sic] had raised Giuliani first." *thanks for the assist*
* Trump and Giuliani are visibly upset.
* Multiple "bad actors" in the coverup are signalling to each other via television shows and press conferences, and it's comical to watch. *in plain sight*
* Did you catch Trump giving a shoutout to Mike Pence? Paula and I did (shoutout to Paula). Did you also catch Rudy G. waving his phone on Fox News and saying/laughing he was working for State and had the proof "right here"? Cue the Rudy subpoena, and bring your phone, moron, just for show, you know.
* Trump is still being played by Putin, and Congress is catching on.
That'll do for starters.
Oh, and the Whistleblower's Complaint has been declassified with "alleged" minimal redactions to be released to the public today.
So "happy reading," y'all... and do report back. :)
So..
Apparently, ya'all are back to the COLLUSION IS A CRIME bullshit.. :D
CRS, take note.. :D
No matter HOW much ya'all would wish it so, collusion is NOT illegal, nor is it impeachable.
And I am STILL waiting for ya'all to find something impeachable in this:
Later, Trump veers into the Biden issue.
"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down, which is really unfair,” Trump says on the call, according to the transcript.
Trump then says, "There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, what Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great.”
“Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, It sounds horrible to me,” Trump said on the call, according to the transcript.
Zelenskiy replies that he’s appointing a new prosecutor who will “look into the situation.”
That is the only mention about Biden in the transcript of the call. The call transcript is five pages.
Anyone?? Anyone?? Buehler???
@Paula,
"This time it’s different.
It's ALWAYS "different" with you people..
Yet, it's funny how it ALWAYS ends the same..
With Democrats bitch-slapped to the ground and President Trump comes out shining like a rose..
This is RUSSIA COLLUSION all over again..
And it will end the same..
I heard that the after receiving the IG’s report on the conclusions from the Whistleblower investigation, the acting - Director of National Intelligence did not go to the DOJ seeking advice on whether to forward the report to Congress, but to notify the DOJ that criminal charges needed to be considered against some of the parties involved. The Director had every intention of sending the report to Congress as the law instructs, but the DOJ and White House blocked him from doing so.
Facts to support??? No??
Of course not...
As per usual..
Liz,
You're late.
"Story of my life.."
-John McClane, DIE HARD II
:D
Oh, and same to you!
Thank ya.. :D
And, he needs to explain how his son ended up and stayed on the board of a Ukrainian energy company while his father was not only VP but point man on the Ukraine file.
Why, yes he does, Liz.. Yes he does..
There was absolutely NO RATIONAL OR LOGICAL REASON to put Hunter Biden on the board and pay him 50,000 dollars A MONTH. Biden had NO experience in the field and had NO EXPERIENCE working in the region.
The ONLY reason to give Hunter that job was a quid pro quo to VP Joe Biden.
Pelosi’s Circular Firing Squad
Impeachment won’t get rid of Trump, and it will cost some Democratic seats.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosis-circular-firing-squad-11569452894
Democrats couldn't help re-elect President Trump any more if the tried...
Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s announcement that the House will formally consider President Trump’s impeachment has plunged America into a constitutional crisis.
Mr. Trump smartly released the rough transcript of his July 25 conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. It undermines Mrs. Pelosi’s claim (made after the transcript’s release but before she had read it) that Mr. Trump “asked a foreign government to help him in his political campaign at the expense of our national security.” Yet don’t expect the president’s act of transparency to deter Democrats who want him removed from office.
The president won’t be forced from the White House even if Mrs. Pelosi finds 218 votes for impeachment. Instead we would likely see a repeat of what happened to Bill Clinton: the House votes to impeach and the Senate falls well short of the two-thirds majority required to remove him.
Yep... Basically Democrats have set up a repeat of the Clinton impeachment, with Democrats playing the role of the Republicans..
And what's so hilarious is that NONE OF YA'ALL can find ANYTHING impeachable in President Trump's call to President Zelensky.. :D
I guess that's why ya'all cede the field of battle to me when I am around.. :D
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez enthuses that pursuing impeachment “puts the party in a new direction.” That may be true, but other Democrats will likely be hurt during this political firefight, some of them dangerously so.
There’s no doubt that Mr. Trump should have left the question of Joe Biden’s work in Ukraine to Attorney General Bill Barr, who’s conducting an investigation that touches on the intersection of Ukraine and the 2016 election. Nevertheless, Americans will ask why Mr. Biden was apparently blind to the appearance of impropriety when in 2015 and 2016 he pressed the Ukrainian government to step up anticorruption efforts while his son Hunter was working for Burisma, a Kiev-based holding company, owned by Mykola Zlochevsky.
Hunter Biden became connected to the company in 2014, when Ukrainian prosecutors were scrutinizing it for possible money laundering and official corruption. The latter stemmed from Mr. Zlochevsky’s time as a government minister in charge of doling out licenses for natural-gas extraction, many of which ended up going to companies controlled by Burisma. Neither Mr. Zlochevsky nor Burisma were ever charged with any crimes and they deny all wrongdoing.
Burisma put Hunter Biden and another American, Devon Archer (a friend of then-Secretary of State John Kerry), on its board. The Wall Street Journal reports the young Mr. Biden made as much as $50,000 a month during his five years with Burisma, despite having no background in natural gas or Ukraine.
Even so, the Obama administration let Vice President Biden take the lead in lecturing the Ukrainians about corruption. Growing knowledge of this situation, certain to emerge during any impeachment inquiry, could doom the senior Mr. Biden’s presidential hopes.
We can already see the effect this is having on Joe Biden's campaign..
His numbers are tanking...
Unfortunately, Joe Biden will be the first casualty of this latest Russia Collusion-esque delusion..
You heard it here first...
Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Rep. Adam Schiff could also come to regret recent comments. On Saturday Ms. Warren called for Mr. Trump’s impeachment for having “solicited another foreign government to attack our election system.” In a Tuesday fundraising email, Mr. Schiff accused the president of having “pressured a foreign leader to make up dirt on one of his political opponents.”
Both claims are irresponsible. They’re also hypocritical: In 2016 Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign funneled money through a law firm to pay an opposition research firm, Fusion GPS, to hire a British former intelligence agent to reach out to his contacts in Moscow—Russian former intelligence agents—to ask for dirt on Donald Trump. The result was the now-discredited “Russian dossier.”
Neither Ms. Warren, Mr. Schiff nor any other major Democratic leader criticized Mrs. Clinton for “soliciting another foreign government to attack our election system” or inviting Russian intelligence to “make up dirt on her political opponent.”
Once again, as with the gun issue, Democrat candidates are utterly and completely clue-less of the facts..
And their blatant hypocrisy is on display for all to see...
Mrs. Pelosi knows impeachment is unpopular with voters, especially in the 43 Republican districts that Democrats flipped in 2018. She knows impeachment will drown out all other messages, leaving Democrats without a record of achievement next fall. She realizes the most likely Democratic casualties at the polls will be moderates, not Democrats from safe, left-leaning districts, leaving Mrs. Pelosi to preside over a more rambunctious caucus, even if she retains the House majority.
And yet Mrs. Pelosi announced an impeachment inquiry, despite lacking the 218 votes that previous impeachment efforts needed to proceed formally. This was an act of weakness—surrendering to pressure from inside the House Democratic caucus—not strength.
House Democrats are on a high today, congratulating themselves on their new crusade. They’ll soon realize the grim truth that impeachment is a loser of an issue—and that they will suffer political casualties for going down this road.
Yep.. Democrats are flying high now.. As are ya'all...
But, as our esteem host has conceded.. The chances of President Trump being convicted in the Senate is Slim and None.. And Slim just logged off..
This one overriding and indisputable fact is, in the end, ALL that matters..
This only ends ONE WAY...
With President Trump still in office, completely and totally exonerated in the eyes of the American people...
It's a sad day for those of us who still believe in the promise of America to realize the current American president cannot be trusted - by the American people and by political leaders around the world.
Not factually accurate..
President Trump is trusted JUST fine by patriotic Americans and world leaders that are our allies..
President Trump is NOT trusted by Trump/America haters world-wide..
And that's just fine.. The fact is, President Trump doesn't NEED those people to win re-election.. :D
I'm trying to imagine what the newly elected Ukrainian president, someone who is not versed in normal politics let alone the kind of politics Trump engages in, must be thinking tonight.
Oh, it's easy to tell what President Zelensky is thinking..
You've got a friend in me
You've got a friend in me
When the road looks rough ahead
And you're miles and miles
From your nice warm bed
You just remember what your old pal said
Boy, you've got a friend in me
Yeah, you've got a friend in me
-TOY STORY
:D
Let's face reality here, Liz.. Zelensky is backing President Trump to the hilt..
Just ask PM Netanyahu of Israel how solid the support of the American president is.
You mean, PM Netanyahu that won the Israeli election against all odds and was given first crack at forming a government??
THAT PM Netanyahu???
I hope this situation with Ukraine with be the thing that fully exposes Trump for who and what he is. The irony will be quite enjoyable.
As much as I hate to dash yer hopes..
This is simply another manifestation of the Russia Collusion delusion...
Same ol same ol..
And it will end the same way..
Do you want to know why it will end the same way??
Later, Trump veers into the Biden issue.
"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down, which is really unfair,” Trump says on the call, according to the transcript.
Trump then says, "There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, what Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great.”
“Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, It sounds horrible to me,” Trump said on the call, according to the transcript.
Zelenskiy replies that he’s appointing a new prosecutor who will “look into the situation.”
That is the only mention about Biden in the transcript of the call. The call transcript is five pages.
Because, as ya'all have conceded... There is NOTHING impeachable in that?
DSWS & JL...
I am curious..
Has ya'all's opinion changed as to President Trump's re-election being all but a sure thing??
Do ya'all honestly believe that this impeachment will remove President Trump by office, either by Senate conviction or at the ballot box??
I am sincerely curious..
So, the question has to be asked..
If the whistle-blowers complaint is so serious and so damning..
Why won't Democrats release the complaint??
Why is the whistle-blower petrified of being identified??
The answer to BOTH questions is easy..
The complaint is complete and utter bullshit and Democrats are scared to death that any perceived public support will vanish if the actual complaint is released..
But it WILL come out..
And this new Dumbocrat shiny will go the way of the Russia Collusion delusion...
As I said..
Biden nosedives in early-state polls
Recent surveys show the former veep’s leads have vanished in Iowa and New Hampshire, while his South Carolina firewall shows signs of cracking.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/biden-iowa-new-hampshire-polls2020-1510351
Joe Biden's campaign is already feeling the effects of the Democrat/Ukraine debacle...
Ol' Joe is gonna wish he had took my advice..
Liz,
Speaking of Biden's rivals, Senator Booker just made a very strong statement on CNN in support of Senator Biden and I have gained new respect for him.
Senator Harris could take a lesson, or two.
Booker is many things. But he is smart enough to know his campaign is utterly and completely toast..
Booker is buttering Joe up for a VP or cabinet slot.. :D
So, I would take Booker's support with a huge grain of salt..
It's not sincere and Booker will turn on Biden the second Biden shows some real faltering in the race..
@ Russ,
Trump has shown lots of support for the Ukraine...being invaded by Russia.
Yo Russ..
You realize that THAT happened under Odumbo's watch.. Right???
BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jesus, dood! At least TRY to bring some intelligence to the discussion!!
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Trump Team Bets Impeachment Will Backfire on Democrats
Releasing record of call with Ukrainian president is part of a strategy to convert controversy into advantage
WASHINGTON—Faced with the prospect of impeachment, President Trump and his re-election campaign expressed confidence the effort to boot him from office would give an unlikely boost to his bid for a second term.
Mr. Trump’s strategy to convert his latest controversy into a political advantage has been to take the unprecedented step of declassifying—and releasing—a document detailing a private discussion with a foreign leader, corralling Republican allies to coordinate his defense and blasting out urgent fundraising emails and text messages seeking donations as a show of support.
Inside Trump campaign headquarters on Tuesday, aides nodded their heads in confidence, glued to more than a dozen wall-mounted televisions around the office as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said the chamber would begin an impeachment inquiry.
A video mocking what the campaign views as Democrats’ obsession with impeachment was released within 30 minutes. “We’ve had that ready for weeks in case the Democrats were that dumb,” one campaign aide said.
Who could have POSSIBLY predicted that Democrats WOULD BE "that dumb"...
Oh.. Wait.. :D
It's tough being factually accurate all the time.. :D
Democrats were more measured about the political ramifications. Some who publicly back impeachment privately fear it could backfire should the House vote to impeach and then Mr. Trump be acquitted by the Republican-controlled Senate ahead of the election.
Yep.. Even Democrats are skittish that this is all going to blow up in the face of the Democrat Party..
They SHOULD be, because this can only end ONE WAY..
With President Trump still in office..
Can you imagine the GLOAT FEST when this latest BS goes the EXACT SAME WAY as the Russia Collusion delusion??
It's gonna be GLORIOUS here in Weigantia... :D
But the only significant delay in releasing the document came as the White House sought, and received, diplomatic approval from Ukraine to release details about the private call, Republicans familiar with the matter said.
White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said the president released the document “in the interest of transparency.”
As I said.. President Zelensky is fully on board with President Trump...
Democrats don't stand a chance!!! :D
Mr. Trump and his campaign are also betting that impeachment will help him in 2020 and hurt Democrats. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll this summer showed considerable skepticism among independents about launching impeachment proceedings. And a new Quinnipiac poll, conducted Sept. 19-23, found that 37% of registered voters believed Mr. Trump should be impeached, while 57% said he shouldn’t be.
“This will have no impact on the president’s supporters, and it will keep Democrats trapped in a cul-de-sac where they’re walking around chanting impeach-impeach-impeach,” said Newt Gingrich, a Trump ally and former House speaker who lost his job after leading the impeachment of then-President Clinton. “And in my experience with that, it doesn’t quite work.”
Once again, Democrats are falling all over themselves to dance to President Trump's tune.. :D
The Trump campaign said Wednesday it raised $5 million in the first 24 hours after the impeachment inquiry was announced. Mr. Trump also had a pre-scheduled fundraiser Wednesday evening at the New York home of hedge fund billionaire John Paulson, and another scheduled for Thursday morning at Cipriani, an Italian restaurant in midtown Manhattan.
As if President Trump needs any more money to kick the Democrats' hiney.. :D
But this shows the level of support President Trump has out there...
This was a real bone head move by the Democrats.. :D
@m,
I think re election is still likely. I also think biden is the only real threat, and Donald knows it. Even with impeachment, if Donald can get enough mud on biden to cost him the nomination then it will have been worth it from his perspective.
Now we know why Democrats are dragging their heels on releasing the whistle blower complaint.
Whistleblower complaint has been declassified and contains no 'surprises,' GOP lawmaker says
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whistleblower-complaint-on-ukraine-call-has-been-declassified-gop-lawmaker-says
Patriotic Americans are going to read the complaint and ask the same exact question they asked when the transcript of the call was released..
"IS THIS IT!!!! **THIS** is what constitutes grounds for impeachment?? Democrats are whacked in the head!!"
Supposedly the complaint is going to be released today and the whistle blower will be outed..
Count on a LOT of gloating from me today.. Fair warning.. :D
JL,
I think re election is still likely.
That's why I like about you.. By and large, you have no problem going on the record.. :D
I also think biden is the only real threat, and Donald knows it.
I have to disagree... Biden represents the 2016 election all over again.. ESTABLISHMENT vs OUTSIDER.. I don't think the past 4 years has changed that dynamic...
As I said in 2016.. If it's Biden, it's going to be an ESTABLISHMENT/OUTSIDER election. And the American people are not ready to go back to the ESTABLISHMENT..
Even with impeachment, if Donald can get enough mud on biden to cost him the nomination then it will have been worth it from his perspective.
Actually, impeachment with a side of Biden-Scandal is a win/win for President Trump...
Clinton proved what happens to the Impeaching Party.. And Biden's numbers are already starting to tank..
Once the information on the Ukraine/Biden connection is fleshed out, Biden has no where to go but down..
As always, thanks much for your insights..
OOoooooo Russ????
Utah Republican Rep. Chris Stewart announced on Fox News' "The Ingraham Angle" and on social media late Wednesday that the explosive whistleblower complaint concerning President Trump's July call with Ukraine's leader has been declassified -- and Stewart said that it doesn't contain any damning information.
"I encourage you all to read it," Stewart tweeted. The complaint was not immediately available to the public, but was expected to be released Thursday morning.
"It's been declassified and it's been released," Stewart separately told anchor Laura Ingraham. "So it should be available for everyone to go and look at."
Stewart added that he has personally viewed the complaint, and was initially "anxious" before he took a look -- but now is "much more confident than I was this morning that this is going to go nowhere. ... there are just no surprises there."
He continued, "The entirety of it is focused on this one thing, and that's the transcript of one phone call, the transcript that was released this morning."
Looks like your hope that the complaint dealt with a DIFFERENT Ukraine Phone Call is utterly and completely DEMOLISHED!! :D
So, care to tell me what's IMPEACHABLE about this:
Later, Trump veers into the Biden issue.
"I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down, which is really unfair,” Trump says on the call, according to the transcript.
Trump then says, "There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, what Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great.”
“Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, It sounds horrible to me,” Trump said on the call, according to the transcript.
Zelenskiy replies that he’s appointing a new prosecutor who will “look into the situation.”
That is the only mention about Biden in the transcript of the call. The call transcript is five pages.
A thousand quatloos says you fold.. :D
So, let's take stock..
Yesterday, Stig said that the transcript was phony..
The FACT that President Zelensky confirmed the text of the transcript proves that Stig is full of kaa-kaa...
Yesterday, ListenWhatYouHear said that the whistle blower complaint was a different Ukraine phone call than the one that was released...
It is confirmed that the whistle blower complaint about a Ukraine phone call is the same Ukraine phone call that the transcript was released.. This proves that ListenWhatYouHear is full of kaa-kaa as well.. :D
Once again, they have hysterical Party slavery bullshit..
And I have the facts.. :D
It's gonna be a great GREAT day!!! :D
Yunno why???
Because all of this can only end ONE WAY..
With President Trump still in office... :D
Apparently, not ALL Democrats are on board..
New Hampshire Dems fear blowback from impeachment push: report
New Hampshire Democrats said Wednesday that blowback from the impeachment inquiry in the House will only hurt their party’s presidential candidates and will mobilize President Trump’s base before the 2020 election.
“Of course, I want impeachment from a moral perspective,” Michael Ceraso, a former New Hampshire director for Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign, told Politico. "But from a political perspective, I don’t want to spend a year talking about how Democrats tried to impeach him and couldn’t pull it off.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-new-hampshire-dems-fear-blowback-backfire-2020
And THAT is exactly what is going to happen..
Being that this can ONLY end ONE WAY (President Trump remains in office) Democrats are going to be tied to ANOTHER failed coup attempt..
How ANYONE with more than two brain cells to rub together could think this is a GOOD idea is beyond reason and logic..
“The Democrats become single-issue candidates, which weakens them," Ceraso said. He said the Democratic Party ought to focus on the 2020 ballot and would gain more ground if they instead put up a united front on electing Trump out of office.
And, ironically, it's a SINGLE ISSUE that the vast majority of Americans, including 100% of patriotic Americans are against..
Really ponder that.
Democrats are taking action that the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS are against...
Pelosi is letting the lunatics in the asylum run roughshod over her and ignoring the will of the American people..
On WHAT PLANET can that end well???
Speaking of Pelosi..
Our own Valium Paula stated yesterday that Pelosi has read the whistle-blower complaint..
And no one has heard from her since..
I can tell ya'all EXACTLY what is happening.
Pelosi is in some seedy bar somewhere slamming down whisky shots and wondering how the HELL she got roped in to taking Impeachment public..
Pelosi KNOWS that there is absolutely NOTHING to the whistle blower complaint and it is DEFINITELY not impeachable..
One has to wonder if Pelosi will put the kibosh on the whole thing, stating the facts that it's a huge NOTHING BURGER..
Or if she will play it out to the bitter end, see Democrats utterly decimated and demoralized on the world stage and watch President Trump take a YYYUUUGGGEEEEE Victory lap right into a landslide re-election..
Once again.. Democrats have been maneuvered into a PERFECT Lose-Lose situation.. :D
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., launched a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump Tuesday evening. She specifically charged that the administration had violated the law by not turning over a whistleblower complaint concerning Trump's July telephone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
The White House released a transcript of the call Wednesday that showed Trump did seek an investigation into Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s family dealings in the country. The transcript did not demonstrate that Trump leveraged military aid to Ukraine to obtain a "promise" on the probe, as a widely cited report in The Washington Post had claimed.
“Although he’s certainly deserving of being impeached, I’m worried about what’s going to happen as a result of this,” Eric Swope, a Democratic voter from Harrisville, N.H., told the Boston Herald. “My fears are that his base will get all riled up. I’m afraid they’ll get all fired up.”
Not only will President Trump's base get all fired up.. That's a given.. Dumbocrats just GUARANTEED that there will be a MASSIVE showing of President Trump's supporters in 2020...
But the HUGE problem for Democrats is that Independents and NPAs will swarm to President Trump's corner and deliver unto him the most landslides of elections ever recorded.. :D
It's gonna be glorious!! :D
A Democratic strategist told Politico that impeachment hearings against former President Bill Clinton only bolstered his approval rating, quoting The Wire’s Omar Little in saying “‘If you come at the king, you best not miss.'” The strategist said if the outcome of the inquiry is anything less than overwhelming against Trump it will only create a “Mueller redux.”
Yep... If yer gonna try to kill the king, you better KILL the king...
This is simply Russia Collusion Delusion Part Duex....
:D
ason Chaffetz: Rep. Adam Schiff has proven he can’t be trusted – Shouldn’t be Intel Committee chair
Once again, the rhetoric from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., has been discredited by facts. With the release of the rough transcript of the July 25 call between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and President Trump, Schiff's prediction that it would show Trump had "crossed the Rubicon" has failed to materialize.
There was no quid pro quo – no "browbeating" of a foreign leader. Just two heads of state talking about Ukraine's role in 2016 U.S. election interference and discussing getting to the bottom of the corruption that has spilled over between the two countries.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jason-chaffetz-rep-adam-schiff-has-proven-he-cant-be-trusted-shouldnt-be-intel-committee-chair
What!!!! Schiff-head is a LIAR!!!!
"Well, tell us something we DON'T know, motherfucker!!"
-Eddie Murphy, DELIRIOUS
:D
With his history of deliberately distorting the truth, secretly disclosing classified information, and openly converting the House Intelligence Committee into a partisan opposition research operation, Schiff has repeatedly proven he cannot be trusted.
It's no surprise that the Trump administration initially balked at turning over sensitive information to a congressional committee led by Schiff, as it did last week. Schiff has shown himself to be a fierce partisan with little commitment to truth or discretion.
If House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., wants to restore trust in the important Intelligence Committee, she should replace Schiff with a more trustworthy, less partisan chairman. No one who is aware of Schiff's history would want to entrust him with sensitive information.
Pelosi won't replace Schiff-head... He is too good at being a typical Democrat scumbag liar...
Well, once again.. Weigantians cede the battlefield to their superior.. :D
Oh well.. I have plenty more facts and reality to impart.. :D
Whistleblower Complaint
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
And, from RCP (The accepted standard here in Weigantia..)
Dems' Inquiry Won't End Trump's Term, But May Get Him a Second
Donald Trump is the president of the United States, and the Democrats appear bound and determined to ensure that he remains in that position for another four years.
That’s the bottom-line takeaway from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s decision to open a formal “impeachment inquiry.” Donald Trump is not going to be removed from office. There is no shortcut to overturning the 2016 election. This is just the latest in a long line of increasingly weak attempts by House Democrats to discredit the president, and the inevitable futility of this effort is crucial to understanding the Democrats’ true motivations.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/26/dems_inquiry_wont_end_trumps_term_but_may_get_him_a_second_141345.html
No matter how much ya'all wish and hope and pray???
This is ONLY going to win ONE way...
President Trump remains in office...
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's it!!!
A bunch of hearsay reports from various anonymous individuals from a Trump/America hater!!!????
THAT is ALL Democrats have!!?????
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Somewhere in Washington DC in a seedy bar, Nancy Pelosi slurs to a bartender, "Shhhgive me anothersshhh bottle of whissshhhky, barkeep!!"
Omygods!!!
I thought Democrats were morons before! But this really takes MORON to an entirely new lower level!!!
I almost feel sorry for the Democrats (and ya'all) for the ass whuppin' they are about to receive!! :D
There’s practically zero chance that they are actually, succesfully impeach the president over this Ukraine nonsense. It’s just too silly, especially considering that we already had to go through 2 ½ years of Russiagate, only to find out that there was never any “there” there.
Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic leadership are huffing and puffing, but this house is even sturdier than the others that they likewise failed to blow down. They choke back crocodile tears while accusing Trump of violating the law, betraying the Constitution, and undermining national security, yet they can’t explain how his conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky does any of those things.
This is CLEARLY a setup of the Democrats...
And they fell for it, hook line and sinker!! :D
They can’t name the law that President Trump supposedly violated. They can’t point to the part of the Constitution they think is injured. They can’t explain how American national security was threatened. They just keep repeating the same carefully rehearsed talking points over and over again. It would sound like a broken record even if the same Democrats hadn’t said the exact same things about non-existent “collusion” throughout the Russiagate hoax.
Yep.. Dumbocrats are following the Russia Collusion Delusion script to the letter...
It's like Deja Vu all over again!! :D
And, when all the Dumbocrat hysteria and bullshit is said and done and spun'ed one FACT remains..
This can only end ONE WAY...
With President Trump still in office..
Rep. Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, is the only Democrat on Capitol Hill who’s even trying to give some shape to the flailing accusations that his colleagues trotted out before they even saw the transcript that supposedly supported them. Schiff’s solution is to behave like a downright lunatic, crafting a bizarre mobster movie fantasy with President Trump playing the role of an international Don Corleone shaking down helpless foreign leaders. Seriously. Look at his tweets.
What’s the “offer Zelensky can’t refuse”? That he should work with Attorney General Bill Barr to investigate hacking in the 2016 American election, which may have taken place in Ukraine — which is exactly what Senate Democrats asked Zelensky’s predecessor to do just last year?
The left is staking a good part of its argument on the fact that President Trump also mentioned the undisputed fact that Joe Biden bragged about explicitly threatening to cut off $1 billion in aid to Ukraine if former President Petro Poroshenko didn’t fire the prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden’s energy firm, but that perfectly reasonable request doesn’t change a thing.
Yea.. a VERY brief mention of Biden in a phone call and the Democrats go apeshit CRAZY screaming and yelling about IMPEACHMENT!!!
Remember..
Hrrmmm. One way this ends can only..
-YODA
You see, when Democrats ask Ukrainians to do something they think will hurt President Trump, they consider it a fulfillment of their patriotic duty. When President Trump asks Ukrainians to do the exact same thing, the Democrats call it unconstitutional, illegal, impeachable, and even compare it to Mafia tactics.
"Double standards they would have no standards at all if Democrats didn't have. Hrrmmmm."
-YODA
:D
Waitaminute... Let's take a quick break..
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Whew.. THAT is hilarious!!! :D
So, can anyone point me to a **FACT** in all that bullshit that is impeachable??
Anyone?? Anyone at all???
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Yea.. That's what I figgered..
Now, on with the FACT PARADE
:D
Mike
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If the whistle-blowers complaint is so serious and so damning..
Why won't Democrats release the complaint??
I wouldn't think anyone would have to explain this to a so-called "law enforcement officer" since it's rock-bottom basic information regarding these type complaints, but Whistleblowers' Complaints are always CLASSIFIED. Full stop. It's not theirs to release. Only the Whistleblower and others could authorize its release... obviously.
Why is the whistle-blower petrified of being identified??
MAGA cult sycophants who frequently prattle on about guns, guns, guns, and guns.
The answer to BOTH questions is easy..
Yes. In fact, easy as pie (shoutout to JL), and certainly not anything even a local yokel LEO would need to ask.
The complaint is complete and utter bullshit and Democrats are scared to death that any perceived public support will vanish if the actual complaint is released..
Wrong.
But it WILL come out..
State the obvious since it was already announced last night that it was being declassified and released to the public on Thursday morning, as I already posted, and now here we are.
I posted it already. :)
Democrats can’t possibly believe this is a legitimate scandal, especially now that the president has voluntarily released the full, unredacted transcript of the call, allowing the American people to judge for themselves. Impeachment is deeply unpopular with the electorate, and it’s difficult to imagine that Nancy Pelosi would be so foolish as to hold an actual impeachment vote by the full House on such a ridiculous pretext.
Even if she manages to walk the tightrope of holding an “impeachment inquiry” without launching actual impeachment proceedings, Pelosi is going to seriously damage her party’s presidential nominee next year. It’s almost as though she wants President Trump to remain in the White House through 2024.
That is the ONLY explanation that makes sense.
Democrat Leadership is secretly working for The Committee To Re-Elect President Trump.. :D
THIS... CAN... **ONLY**... END... ONE... WAY...
:D
Wooops..
Wouldn't want ya'all to think I was pulling a Biden and plagiarizing anything. :D
Democrats can’t possibly believe this is a legitimate scandal, especially now that the president has voluntarily released the full, unredacted transcript of the call, allowing the American people to judge for themselves. Impeachment is deeply unpopular with the electorate, and it’s difficult to imagine that Nancy Pelosi would be so foolish as to hold an actual impeachment vote by the full House on such a ridiculous pretext.
Even if she manages to walk the tightrope of holding an “impeachment inquiry” without launching actual impeachment proceedings, Pelosi is going to seriously damage her party’s presidential nominee next year. It’s almost as though she wants President Trump to remain in the White House through 2024.
That is the ONLY explanation that makes sense.
Democrat Leadership is secretly working for The Committee To Re-Elect President Trump.. :D
THIS... CAN... **ONLY**... END... ONE... WAY...
:D
So, lemme ask ya'all.
Has anyone read the Whistle Blower bullshit.. I mean.. complaint I posted??
Anyone at all???
If so, can anyone point to a FACT within that BS.. I mean complaint, that is an impeachable offense??
Anyone?? Anyone??
No?? OK Then.
"On with the countdown"
-Kasey Kasem
:D
Let me reiterate that NO transcript of the Trump/Zelensky has been released. The document released to the public is "a memorandum of a telephone conversation TELCON." Or, as CW succinctly dubs it, a "semi-transcript." As the Caution at the bottom page 1 of the released document clearly states:
"The text in this document records the notes and recollections of the Situation Room Duty Officers and NBC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record. including poor telecommunications connections in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible is used to indicate portions of a conversation the notetaker was unable to hear.""
Memory is a tricky thing. Most of us have played the telephone party game as children. Trump and his administration have been known to "Sharpie The Truth" to improve their narrative. The Congress and Public need to hear reproductions of the original tapes. Tone of voice communicates things that can't be demonstrated in a transcript. The Nixon tapes are a good example of this.
Only the People Can Decide
The system is substantially gridlocked between two alternatives that cannot be bridged. The people must choose the way forward—that is the one incontestable political legitimacy.
https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/25/only-the-people-can-decide/
CW stated a while ago that the indicator of Democrat's comfort level in beating President Trump in the 2020 election is directly inversely proportional to the level of hysteria over Impeachment..
What that means to the ones of lesser brain cells is that the MORE Democrats push impeachment, they LESS they feel good about beating President Trump at the ballot box..
Considering the utter hysteria of the Ukraine Delusion and Democrats hysterical claim that the phone call is, somehow, an impeachable offense...
I guess it's pretty obvious to everyone BUT those of lesser brain cells, is that Democrats are scared shitless of meeting President Trump on the electoral battlefield..
This only ends ONE way... :D
Let me reiterate that NO transcript of the Trump/Zelensky has been released.
Yes, Stig.. I know you want to believe that.
But the FACT is, President Zelensky has already confirmed that the transcript released is the full and accurate transcript of the call..
So, once again.. Yer full of shit...
Memory is a tricky thing. Most of us have played the telephone party game as children. Trump and his administration have been known to "Sharpie The Truth" to improve their narrative. The Congress and Public need to hear reproductions of the original tapes. Tone of voice communicates things that can't be demonstrated in a transcript.
You keep reaching.. :D Obviously you agree with me that the Whistle Blower complaint ain't work shit and you are banking your ENTIRE case on the transcript of the call..
As usual, the FACTS prove what a complete liar you are..
Talk about firing up the President's base. There's not a prayer in hell that he'll be impeached in the Senate. Mitch McConnell will be able to call all kinds of witnesses in, including Joe Biden and his son Hunter and ask them any questions he wants. McConnell won't be limited by the rules of evidence, which limits the kinds of questions he can ask. This sets McConnell and the GOP amazingly well to cast dirt on Biden's family and make him look totally crooked. Pelosi was right to fight against impeachment. She got steamrolled by the petulant children of the Left. The Left just can't stop shooting itself in the foot.
-Rhadagas
Yep...
GOP will be able to drag Joe Biden and Hunter Biden into the mess and interrogate them UNDER OATH about ANYTHING!!!
One really has to wonder if Dumbocrats thought this thru in ANY way....
Democrats have a LOT more to lose than President Trump...
TS
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Let me reiterate that NO transcript of the Trump/Zelensky call has been released.
Obviously, you're speaking about the difference between a "transcription" and a "summary"... pretty basic stuff, TS, to anyone except the most ignorant poon. :)
Shoutout back. :)
Impeachment Gamble Already Backfiring on Democrats
This shiny new “impeachment inquiry” package placed under an early Christmas tree by Speaker Nancy Pelosi will ultimately contain one of two things: objective evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors by President Trump, or something that will blow up in their faces as others have before.
The ultimate answer will be dictated not by Trump supporters or tormentors, but by the facts.
https://townhall.com/columnists/markdavis/2019/09/26/impeachment-gamble-already-backfiring-on-democrats-n2553739
And, to date, the FACTS are totally decimating and demoralizing to the Democrat Party..
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
:D
TS
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Tone of voice communicates things that can't be demonstrated in a transcript.
Yes, sir.
The Nixon tapes are a good example of this.
Especially the phantom 18-1/2 minutes... as any Tom, Dick, or Rosemary Woods can attest. ;)
The timing of the Pelosi announcement Tuesday was odd from the start. Weaving dramatic tales of a republic in peril, slinging charges with no established basis, she fell in line with the younger, brasher wing of her party before one word had been released from the Trump conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart. She heaped mounds of stigma onto the infamous “whistleblower” report with no firm knowledge of what it says.
This seemed nervy, even from a party that has peppered the nation with endless impeachment teases. Pelosi’s decision to pick up that hymnal is an important gesture, even though there is nothing concrete behind the “inquiry” she has announced. It’s little more than the promise of a broader, busier gaggle of committees beating the drum they have flogged since soon after the inauguration.
While Pelosi may have quelled the rift in the short-term, she has set the Democrat Party up for a HUGE conflagration once all the facts are known..
There is simply NO WAY that impeachment will be approved in the House.. Pelosi is going to have to go to her bomb-throwers and explain that there is nothing to impeach President Trump over...
THEN we will see the sparks fly...
Either way, Pelosi is now the face of impeachment; her fate will rise and fall with its plausibility. The early news is not good.Cirque du Soleil in its most daring shows cannot rival the contortionists seeking to find something sinister in the quotes from the Trump phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Corruption and outright illegality exist in that memo only in the reddened eyes of Trump’s fiercest critics.
This is not surprising in this latest season of illiteracy regarding the law. The whistleblower statutes are meant to provide cover within agencies for brave souls who sense malfeasance and seek to bring it to light without committing career suicide. It does not extend in any fashion to miscreants seeking to troll the president of the United States.
Pelosi is going to put the kibosh on their impeachment bullshit sooner rather than later.
Yea, it will look bad for Democrats in the short term..
But, if it's dragged out to it's inevitable Mueller-Report-Total-Exoneration-Of-President-Trump-esque conclusion??
It will be much MUCH worse for Democrats.. And at the WORST possible time (VERY close to the election) for the Democrats..
Pelosi's ONLY logical and rational course of action is to stop this now before it gets too big and takes on a life of it's own.. If she waits, the decision will be out of her hands.
And, when all is said and done..
It can ONLY end ONE way...
With President Trump remaining in office..
Text of the whistleblower complaint can be found within this link.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whistleblower-white-house-tried-to-lock-down-call-details/ar-AAHR3vg
The phone call itself is just the tip of the ol' iceberg.
The phone call memo is dead on arrival as a force toward Trump’s ruin. Now we may get to enjoy the spectacle of the leaker (a far better term) testifying before Congress. Please tell me who thinks this is a good idea. The Robert Mueller testimony may look positively coherent by comparison.
The public outing of the whistle blower will be a fun time..
I am betting we're gonna find out it's a Blasey-Ford esque Democrat who has been coached and supported by Democrat leadership, just as Blasey Ford was..
The phone call itself is just the tip of the ol' iceberg.
Facts to support??
None?? Exactly...
That 2020 field will spend the coming weeks talking about little else. The topical oxygen that would otherwise be devoted to their healthcare plans, their environmental forecasts and even their broad critiques of the Trump era will now be consumed by the minutiae of Ukrainegate. If that story collapses under the weight of its own silliness, Democrats may look back on this week’s momentary glee and wonder if there is an exit strategy from a quagmire of their own making.
That's another good point..
Democrat Candidates are not going to be talking about anything else but impeachment..
No walking and chewing gum for these guys..
It's gonna be eat, sleep and drink impeachment 24/7...
And when it blows up, as it will, then they are gonna be left with nothing but their dicks in their hands..
And ya'all will be left with nothing but me gloating and saying, "TOLD YA SO"...
JUST as I did after Mueller totally and completely exonerated President Trump..
Like Democrats, you people are yer own worst enemies..
And to add insult to injury, ya'all KNOW you can't counter any of my facts with non-existent facts of yer own..
That is why ya'all cede the field of battle whenever I'm around.. :D
https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv092519dAPR20190925074512.jpg
And THAT is the way it's going to be... :D
Heh!! :D
HIRE MY SON AND GET A BILLION DOLLARS IN AID!!
-Quid Pro Joe
heheheheheehehehe
A point was raised earlier above...
If this even gets past the House vote on Impeachment (which is HIGHLY unlikely at this point) you people *DO* realize that the GOP will be able to call Democrat witnesses and grill them over ANY SUBJECT, right??
I mean, McConnell calling Joe Biden and Hunter Biden to be interrogated under oath is a given..
But ANY Democrat who has made a statement about the Ukraine affair can be called to be interrogated under oath.. And, since McConnell is not governed by normal rules of evidence, he can ask about ANYTHING..
And Democrats will have to answer questions UNDER OATH..
Now, close your eyes and think (if you can) for a second..
Imagine what kinds of questions McConnell can ask a Democrat and they HAVE to answer...
Just THINK of what could happen..
And, of course, since the GOP controls the proceedings, they can clamp down on Democrats who attempt the same..
There is SIMPLY NO WAY that this will go in the Democrats favor..
There are SO MANY avenues of WIN for President Trump and the GOP and there is NOT a SINGLE avenue of win for Democrats..
For Democrats there are only bad, worse and catastrophic avenues..
Democrats should have really thought this out..
But those who suffer from HHPTDS rarely think about the consequences..
https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb092319dAPR20190923034506.jpg
And another FUNNY CUZ IT'S TRUE moment :D
To understand Trump's Ukraine call, you gotta know the code
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/opinions/trump-code-talk-ukraine-callan/index.html
In other words, it's all dog-whistles and code words..
Not a SINGLE SOLITARY RELEVANT FACT TO BE FOUND... :D
TS
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Text of the whistleblower complaint can be found within this link.
What was wrong with my direct link from the House Intelligence Committee that I posted the second it was made public? ;)
The phone call itself is just the tip of the ol' iceberg.
Yes, sir. It's a "bigly" coverup of multiple contacts that occurred over multiple months. The ICIG has already questioned multiple witnesses within the Trump administration to determine the validity of the contents of the Whistleblower Complaint.
Hint: Several in the IC have recently resigned. There's your huckleberries. :)
In other words, it's all dog-whistles and code words..
Not a SINGLE SOLITARY RELEVANT FACT TO BE FOUND... :D
In other words, it's NOT "SIMPLE", it's NOT "OBVIOUS" and it clearly is easily defensible.. :D
No offense, Your Grand Poobah-ness, sir.. :D
Kick-65
Am I being mentioned in the trailer park dispatches again?:)
Kick-71
What Wood doesn't float?...Natalie... or Rosemary
What kind shit doesn't float...(fill in the blank)
DNA forensics is very powerful. Link?
Easy, fun, but what's the point? I just block him with my white trash compactor.
He's as flimsy as one of those inflatable air dancers you see at used car lots. Do these things really sell cars? I doubt it. Do they attract attention? Sort of....free hotdogs!
Sun's out, I have a fence to paint. Winter is coming.
Intel chief Maguire defends handling of Trump call complaint, calls issue ‘unprecedented’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/acting-dni-director-maguire-to-testify-before-house-intel-amid-ukraine-whistleblower-complaint-fallout
And THERE goes Pelosi's justification for impeachment..
PPPPPFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
That's the air going out of the Democrats' Impeachment Case :D
Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, in tense testimony Thursday on Capitol Hill, defended his handling of the explosive whistleblower complaint alleging President Trump pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the Biden family -- while calling the issue "unprecedented."
Maguire defended himself as "not partisan" and "not political," reminding the House Intelligence Committee that he served under eight presidents and has taken the oath of office 11 times.
"I have served and led through turbulent times," he said. "... My integrity has never been questioned until now."
However, he maintained, "I believe that I handled this matter in full compliance with the law at all times.”
Maguire has come under fire from Democrats for initially withholding a copy of the complaint from lawmakers. That standoff was resolved when the complaint was declassified, and released to the public, in advance of the hearing. But Maguire was still pressed for answers from Democratic committee members on why his office did not hand over the complaint at first.
Maguire got in the way of the Trump/America haters' steamroller..
“I think you read everything. I’m sorry but I don’t want to be involved in democratic elections of the USA. We had a good phone call. It was normal, we spoke about many things.
I think you read it that nobody pushed me.”
-Ukraine President Zelensky
There ya go, Stig.. Your theory goes up in smoke.. :D
This only ends ONE way..
With President Trump still in office..
NO ONE disputes that fact...
predictions of future events aren't facts. see the following "proof" created by a middle schooler.
https://youtu.be/NipTgnGZCYE
predictions of future events aren't facts.
If they are based on facts, they might as well be facts...
But if it makes ya feel any better I'll amend the mantra to state
"IT'S ALL BUT GUARANTEED that this only ends one way"
Better??
TS
85
Am I being mentioned in the trailer park dispatches again? :)
Heh.
What Wood doesn't float?...Natalie... or Rosemary
Drowning/death humor. Harsh. *too soon?* ;)
What kind shit doesn't float...(fill in the blank)
DNA forensics is very powerful. Link?
I see what you did there.
Sun's out, I have a fence to paint. Winter is coming.
Fall is supposed to be, but where the hell is it? Stay safe. :)
https://youtu.be/grmoMnwXFEo
OUCH!!!
Stick a fork in Joe Biden.. He's done...
Senate GOP Starts Assembling Impeachment Phalanx
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/25/senate_gop_starts_assembling_impeachment_phalanx.html
And so it begins.. GOP is lining up Democrats to the slaughter... :D
Who could have POSSIBLY predicted this...???
Oh.. wait.. :D
Despite nearly three years of on-again, off-again friction between Trump and his Senate GOP brethren, so far Senate Republicans are starting to assemble what looks like a formidable phalanx guarding against his ouster.
Republican senators’ reactions to the release of a rough transcript of Trump’s July 25 call with Volodymyr Zelensky ran the gamut Wednesday from complete dismissal of the Democratic allegations and their march to impeachment, to those who expressed grave problems with Trump’s words on the call and others who declined to discuss the pressing impeachment issue at all.
But so far, no Republican has come forward to argue that the contents of the call constitute the “treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors” the impeachment provision in the Constitution says must be alleged for lawmakers to begin proceedings against a president.
GOP is united..
Democrats are divided..
It's all but certain that this only ends ONE way..
With President Trump STILL in office.. :D
Sen. Lindsey Graham, who chairs the Judiciary Committee, Wednesday said the transcript does not show anything that would convince him to convict Trump if the House impeaches him.
“Here’s what I think of the transcript: If you impeach somebody over this phone call, God help the next president,” he told reporters Wednesday afternoon. “[There was] no suggestion that ‘if you don’t do what I want to with Biden, we’re going to cut your aid off,’” he added. “…I’m glad the aid [to Ukraine] started flowing so there is no quid pro quo. I feel good about this.”
Graham, once a harsh Trump critic who has become a consistent ally over the last few years, also turned the tables and said he agreed with the president that Biden and his son Hunter and their overlapping roles in Ukraine deserve to be investigated.
Though Graham acknowledged that he considers Biden a “dear friend,” he’s called the Ukrainian questions surrounding the father and his son’s business dealings an “awkward situation” that deserves thorough scrutiny.
In fact, Graham called for an independent counsel to do so, arguing that he would decline to take up an investigation himself and that it should be conducted by a trusted, non-partisan entity instead.
Yep...
Joe Biden is going to be hurt a LOT more by this impeachment than President Trump is..
Just being linked to President Trump will cause Joe's number to plummet and his "electability" to fade to nothing.
We're seeing the beginning of this right now..
Ron Johnson, another senator who usually defends Trump, also brushed aside Democrats’ suggestion that the president’s request that Zelensky “do us a favor” and investigate corruption allegations against the Bidens amounts to an impeachable offense.
“I think the House is so far over their skis on this thing,” Johnson told reporters Wednesday afternoon. “When the American people take a look at that entire conversation, [they’ll discover] he sounds like a pretty gracious guy.”
Johnson was one of a dozen House and Senate GOP lawmakers who attended an early morning meeting at the White House where they huddled with White House counsel Pat Cipollone and discussed the rough transcript of the Trump-Zelensky call before it was publicly released.
I imagine Pelosi has a HUGE headache this morning..
She's probably staring into a mirror and saying, "What the FRAK have I done!!!???"
hehe
What Pelosi has done is to GUARANTEE a landslide re-election for President Trump...
OK I am gonna take pity on ya'all and give ya time to catch up..
I know, I know.. I am a helluva guy.. No need to thank me.. :D
Stig,
Am I being mentioned in the trailer park dispatches again? :)
If yer "ignoring" me, why do you care so much??
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Love the rent-free space in yer head, Stig.. :D
Thanx
Impeachment push will unify GOP and push Trump over the top in 2020, says Sarah Sanders
https://www.foxnews.com/media/sarah-sanders-trump-2020-impeachment-reelection
Democrats just HAD to realize what effect this is going to have on Trump supporters AND on Independents & NPAs...
The MAJORITY of ALL Americans are against impeachment..
Considering what Democrats are using for their impeachment justification???
It's LAUGHABLE that they think anything but total refutation of the Democrat Party by the totality of American people would be the result...
If Democrats couldn't remove President Trump by colluding with the enemy, why on this earth would Democrats think that colluding with an ALLY would produce the desired result???
It's the EPITOME of stupidity on the part of Democrats..
As Democrats gear up for an impeachment showdown with President Trump, former White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Thursday their efforts will only bolster Republican unity and help his reelection in 2020.
"I think that it's one of the dumbest and most ridiculous political moves that we've seen in history," Sanders said on "Fox & Friends."
"I think this should be looked at as an in-kind contribution to the president's reelection campaign... All this is doing is helping fuel his campaign. They're raising more money. They're rallying his base and they're unifying the Republican Party... by attacking this president."
"It is absurd that they continue to go down this road and haven't learned anything new from it," she added. "I think the big loser in all this process has to be Joe Biden... So far the only inappropriate behavior that I'm seeing in this entire thing is that of Vice President Joe Biden, in order to help his son."
In the annals of STOOPID PARTISAN MOVES, it's obvious that the Democrat push over the Ukraine phone call has to take top honors for STOOPIDITY and IGNORANCE..
Mike, ignoring you is easy.
But you have shown that all that Republicants have to say is, "nothing to see here", when the entire world has a different opinion.
That's always a tough place from which to start.
Sarah Sanders? Who'd have guessed that she'd be on Trump's side?
The term is "stupid" as in: Trump is stupid.
Sanders likened the recent impeachment push by Democrats to the Russia investigation and accused them of using a "fake scandal" to dupe American voters and regain executive power.
"This is exactly out of the Democrats' playbook," she said. "They used a fake scandal with Russia. Now they're trying to create a fake scandal with Ukraine. It doesn't matter who the actors are. The real bad players in this whole process are the Democrats, trying to fool American voters.
"The good thing is, the American voters are far too smart to fall for the Democrat lies," Sanders continued. "I think one of the best things that's coming out of this is the contrast of who is showing up to be fit to lead our country in a very trying time."
Sanders also said the Democratic Party has become so anti-Trump, they're willing to hurt the country if it means hurting the president.
"Time and time again the Democrats show their true colors. They don't care about the country," she added. "They care about tearing the president down. They've completely lost sight of what is important and are singularly focused on making sure they destroy the president and win reelection."
Sanders is an authority on Demcorats, having seen and studied them up close and personal..
Sarah Sanders? Who'd have guessed that she'd be on Trump's side?
That's all you got??
Just a personal attack with ANY facts to support your claim that she is wrong..
The term is "stupid" as in: Trump is stupid.
Yea.. You keep saying that.
And yet, he kicked the shit out of your Champion in 2016..
And he has been 5 moves ahead of your Moronic Democrats for over 3 years..
Trump is STILL President..
And yer Democrats' coup attempts keep failing and failing and failing and failing.. :D
Looks like it's your Dumbocrats who are the stoopid ones.. :D
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Hay, but since yer here, Blathy..
Care to point to a RELEVANT FACT that is an impeachable offense??
I'll wait.. :D
No?? Of course not..
You have none..
Mike, ignoring you is easy.
Apparently... NOT.. :D
Just a hint.. If you go on and on about how easy it is to ignore someone..
You ain't REALLY ignoring them, now are you??
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But you have shown that all that Republicants have to say is, "nothing to see here", when the entire world has a different opinion.
Yea.. You said the EXACT same thing during your Russia Collusion delusion..
How did THAT work out??
Oh yea.. Mueller completely and utterly exonerated President Trump..
That's always a tough place from which to start.
Apparently not so tough.. Since, according to you, that's where the GOP started with your Russia Collusion delusion..
And look what happened. Mueller TOTALLY and COMPLETELY exonerated President Trump..
BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA
I mean, let's face reality, Blathy.
Yer track record for taking down President Trump is totally and completely non-existent.
But THIS TIME, it's going to work???
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RELEVANT FACT: Trump was withholding bipartisan military aid from Ukraine, while simultaneously trying to get Zelentsky to reopen a case against Biden.
It's so perfect, you could cut it with a spoon.
Blotus seems to be threatening the Whistleblower.
And look what happened. Mueller TOTALLY and COMPLETELY exonerated President Trump..
No, he didn't. That's a Republican talking point.
The Mueller charges are still pending.
Paula: of course he is. Mafia, you know.
No, he didn't. That's a Republican talking point.
Is this how you "ignore" me??
The Mueller charges are still pending.
Complete and utter bullshit..
I won't bother asking for your facts to support this..
You and I both know you don't have any..
Blotus seems to be threatening the Whistleblower.
Yea.. Just like President Trump tried to extort President Zelensky of Ukraine..
Yer lies and bullshit aren't believed any more around here Paula.
At least not by anyone with ANY semblance of intelligence..
Paula: of course he is. Mafia, you know.
Ahhh So NOW President Trump is mafia??
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Do you understand how completely and utterly WHACKED you sound???
Next you'll be saying that President Trump is the anti-christ..
And YOU BELIEVE IT!!!
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Yer nothing but a caricature of hate and bigotry and intolerance..
Laughable..
Nice ignoring me, Blath.. :D
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[111] Balthasar: Yep.
Did I say that I was ignoring you? I said that you were easy to ignore, and I've done it many times.
The Mueller charges weren't dropped. Pending.
Becky Hinkle of Glendale argues that the impeachment inquiry is a Democratic ploy to tilt the 2020 election that will backfire.
“I don’t think there’s enough information for them to be able to open an impeachment. I think that’s a really strong word,” Hinkle said while meeting with friends at Phil Trani’s restaurant in Long Beach.
Hinkle, who voted for Trump in 2016 and plans to do so again, said her life has dramatically improved since Trump took office. “Oh, yeah. My bank account’s a lot higher. My business is running really good. And my investments are all doing very well,” she said. “I think the stock market has been a big thing because of him, because he is business-minded.”
PATRIOTIC Americans are completely and 1000% supporting President Trump.. :D
Democrats really scrooed da pooch this time.. :D
Did I say that I was ignoring you? I said that you were easy to ignore, and I've done it many times.
Yea.. PROVE it.. You can't. :D
The Mueller charges weren't dropped. Pending.
Facts to support??
Of course not..
Mueller hisself stated the probe was at an end.. The case is finis...
You lost.. Just like you ALWAYS lose..
Deal with it...
Waiting for you to point to a FACT that warrants impeachment..
Why are you so silent on that question.
Because you have no facts..
NONE.. ZERO.... ZILCH... NADA...
Becky Hinkle of Glendale? How about all of her neighbors that aren't Trump fans? He lost California by millions of votes.
@Paula
[111] Balthasar: Yep.
You DO realize Valium Paula that comment #111 is MY comment..
[111]
Michale wrote:
Blotus seems to be threatening the Whistleblower.
Yea.. Just like President Trump tried to extort President Zelensky of Ukraine..
Yer lies and bullshit aren't believed any more around here Paula.
At least not by anyone with ANY semblance of intelligence..
I am so glad you agree with me, Valium Paula.. :D
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Becky Hinkle of Glendale? How about all of her neighbors that aren't Trump fans? He lost California by millions of votes.
And yet, he is STILL President..
And that just pisses you off to no end!!
:D
The Whistleblower is the hero/patriot here. Braver than every stinking repub who's been backing the wanna-be-putin-potus every step of the way.
Facts to support?
Ask the head of the Intelligence committee. There's a reason the "impeachment committee" is six different committees: this is just the latest thing to put on the pile of things they have to consider.
Gave you your FACT. Can't live with it, isn't my problem.
Mike: 121 is just wrong.
123: Now, that's right!
The Whistleblower is the hero/patriot here.
Yea. A hero doesn't hide and try to stab at people thru the cloak of anonymity...
Yer "hero" is a coward.. Just like all yer Democrats..
Gave you your FACT. Can't live with it, isn't my problem.
You gave me no facts..
You just gave me bullshit.
Because that's all you ever have.. BULLSHIT..
You have been spewing it from over 3 years..
And you have ALWAYS been wrong..
Tell me Balthy.. What are you going to do when this blows up in the Democrat faces, like everything else they tried..
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Balthasar wrote:
Mike: 121 is just wrong.
123: Now, that's right!
[123]
Michale wrote:
Becky Hinkle of Glendale? How about all of her neighbors that aren't Trump fans? He lost California by millions of votes.
And yet, he is STILL President..
And that just pisses you off to no end!!
:D
Exactly, Balthy.. 123 is "right!"
BBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You can't win, sunshine..
"I have god on my side!"
-Leland Gant, NEEDFUL THINGS
“I love engaging in politics and having discussions about politics,” said Carma Moncure, 51. “But I feel like you can’t really have a good conversation when the name Trump comes up. I feel there’s this disregard for him and the office of the presidency.”
The forensic specialist for the Long Beach Police Department said her parents are Samoan immigrants and very conservative — her dad’s a former missionary and her mom was a nurse — so she has been a Republican since youth. She voted for Trump in 2016 and plans to vote for him in 2020.
“I do think [impeachment is] pretty premature,” she said Tuesday night, adding that the inquiry is political.
She believes Trump being in office is “a revolution. It upset the order of things.” She said he just has a “different voice. And I don’t mind hearing that voice.”
Democrats are going to get slaughtered!!! :D
You just gave me bullshit.
Because that's all you ever have.. BULLSHIT..
Well, this one is an open sore for your boy.
And if it doesn't work, we'll try again. And again.
Until he's out of office.
Democrats are going to get slaughtered!!
In Long Beach, California? I think not.
Your numbering system seems fucked up too.
I have to say, I was very surprised at this turn of events. Pelosi is uniquely well-placed to understand how badly this is likely to go.
There are three constituencies, broadly, for the House election. You have people who are already likely to vote for the Democrat in 2020; people who are already likely to vote for the Republican; and people who are undecided between the two.
You can break those down into various subsets, and you can adopt various strategies to motivate or suppress voting from various blocs. Impeachment is terrible electoral politics, for several reasons.
It tends to solidify partisan support for the President's party, which means gettable Republican votes go begging. It tends to turn off voters who are already disengaged from politics; it looks like what it is, partisan attacks in lieu of good government. And it tends to force representatives to run election campaigns like primaries, because they cannot afford to seem squishy on impeachment. It makes all elections national, rather than local, and you win a local election by making issues relevant to local voters. Lucy McBath won in GA-6, a historically safe Republican seat, Newt Gingrich's former seat even, on a campaign of gun regulation advocacy and nonthreatening sensible bipartisanship. She's been delivering on that, so far, but she is going to have to fight 2020 now on a platform of impeaching Trump. And that's a platform that may well lose, there and in a bunch of other purplish Democratic seats.
-Dr Strange
Yep.. Democrats really skewed the Independents and NPAs.. Most were ambivalent and would just as soon stay home as vote for Trump..
Now that Democrats are pushing a totally bogus Impeachment?? Independents and NPAs are going to punish the Democrats. BIG TIME...
Nice ta hear from ya, Stephen.. :D
Well, this one is an open sore for your boy.
And if it doesn't work, we'll try again. And again.
Until he's out of office.
And you'll keep trying, even if it means Dumbocrats can't get elected County Dog Catcher.
Do you comprehend the utter self-destructive path you are on??
Your numbering system seems fucked up too.
Apparently, it's your numbering system that fooked.. Mine has been fine for over 16 years here..
:D
And if it doesn't work, we'll try again. And again.
And, when you keep failing and failing and failing, Democrats will finally opt for assassination..
I mean, what other recourse will Democrats have??
As you have said, Democrats simply WON'T accept President Trump as President.
So, when you continue to fail, the ultimate attempt must be made...
I mean, that's what yer saying, Balthy...
Interesting fight going on over at FOX. Seems that Shepard Smith brought Andrew Napolitano on to counter what Joe DeGenova said on Tucker Carlson's show.
Then Tucker ramped it up by bringing DeGenova back.
"Unified" republicant party, in full view.
Other senators staunchly defended Trump.
Tillis called the House impeachment inquiry “another pathetic attempt by Democrats to destroy President Trump with falsehoods to overturn the results of the 2016 election.”
Ernst dismissed the transcript as lacking incriminating evidence.
“The fact that House Democrats dove head first into an impeachment inquiry before seeing this transcript shows exactly what we’ve known all along: They are determined to impeach President Trump. I’ve looked at the transcript; I don’t see anything there,” she said.
Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.), who faces reelection next year, said there was “nothing” in the transcript that backed up the whistleblower’s complaint.
“I just am embarrassed, almost, that the Speaker would take this document, having not seen it, and take it to an impeachment conversation,” he said.
A moderate Democrat who spoke on condition of anonymity to The Hill said it would have been better if Pelosi had waited until after the transcript was made public but noted she was under tremendous pressure.
“I think it would have been smart to wait until she saw the transcript,” the senator said, adding, “I don’t think Speaker Pelosi had a choice.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/463113-senators-fret-over-prospect-of-trump-trial
Democrats think it would have been smart to wait until some FACTS were released before she announced impeachment..
Of course, Democrats NEVER do the "smart" thing.
If they did, they wouldn't be Democrats!! :D
And, when you keep failing and failing and failing, Democrats will finally opt for assassination..
That would be the republicant way to do things. We're more civilized on this side of the aisle.
Interesting fight going on over at FOX. Seems that Shepard Smith brought Andrew Napolitano on to counter what Joe DeGenova said on Tucker Carlson's show.
I wouldn't know..
I don't watch Fox News..
But you appear to be an expert.. But, of course, it's colored by your Party slavery.. :D
So, I guess you are for Impeachment now, eh Blathy..
I called it PERFECTLY..
I said that when Pelosi gave you your marching orders, you would follow to the letter..
Pelosi says JUMP, you say HOW HIGH!!
Howz it feel to not have any independent thought of your own??
Nothing but a Party drone who can't think for itself..
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Still think I am easy to ignore, Blathy??
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PWNED!!!!!
"Nothing to see here!"
At some point, Republicants have to admit that they've got a scandal on their doorstep.
That would be the republicant way to do things. We're more civilized on this side of the aisle.
Yea??? Let's ask the scumbag Republican baseball practice shooter how "civilized" you Democrats are??
Let's ask the scumbag Dayton shooter how "civilized" you Democrats are..
Let's ask the scumbag Vegas shooter how "civilized" you Democrats are..
Let's ask the scumbag eco-terrorist El Paso shooter how "civilized" you Democrats are..
Yea.. You Dumbocrats are "civilized" :eyeroll:
At some point, Republicants have to admit that they've got a scandal on their doorstep.
You mean, like the bullshit Russia Collusion "scandal"??
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I think it's SOOOO cute you believe you have ANY credibility!! :D
There is not a SINGLE fact you can point to that is impeachable.
NOT ONE SINGLE FACT...
Matter of FACT, you don't have ANY FACTS at all..
NONE... ZERO... ZILCH... NADA....
Funny how that is how it ALWAYS is, eh Blath??? :D
Mike, you don't watch Fox because you have no TV.
It's amazing to see you jumping up and down about this. Your "party drone" model falls apart whenever you fail to ding Trump. It's pathetic.
Have you tried bowling?
The President has a duty to facilitate investigation of any suspected interference in our electoral process, whether that be by foreign actors or domestic. The President also represents the nation in foreign relations and has large latitude in that area. These are functions of the office.
President Trump called President Zelensky to congratulate him on his electoral success; this is absolutely standard, and it would be an egregious breach of protocol as well as a calamitous failure of realpolitik to do otherwise. During this call, the President, again absolutely naturally and appropriately, touched on a delicate matter of mutual national significance - the existing and ongoing investigation into Ukraine's role in the established Russian interference in US elections. Democrats have been demanding this too; Trump alluded to then-VP Biden's pressurizing of a previous Ukrainian administration, ostensibly because a prosecutor was insufficiently zealous in rooting out corruption (the administration thus pressurized itself fell amid accusations of corruption, of course), and also accurately described the former veep as "bragging" about how he'd got a prosecutor fired who happened to be looking at a company where Biden's son had a sinecure board seat.
If the Democrats believe Biden did nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear from any of this, and none of it amounts to any kind of conceivable "high crime or misdemeanor."
-Dr Strange
Once again, the facts are clear...
This is going to DESTROY Joe Biden and likely land Hunter Biden in jail..
And President Trump is going to come out of it like a rose and coast to re-election..
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
:D
And by the way, the Dayton, Vegas, and El Paso shooters were Republicants.
Mike, you don't watch Fox because you have no TV.
You DO know that I fix TVs for a living, right???
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Right now, I have a nice Samsung 70" QLED curved on my wall.. With a 16TB Video Server (KODI) that contains over 10,000 movies and 8,000 TV shows (all seasons)
But you are correct in that we don't watch any network TV.. With the exception of JAGS games, we haven't watched any network or cable TV in over 15 years..
Right now, we're binge watching AMAZING RACE.. Up to season 16 now.. :D
Did you WANT to talk about my TV habits??? Or were you just making chit-chat?? :D
PWNED!!! :D
Have you tried bowling?
Getting too old for that.. Another year older on Saturday.. :^/
And who the hell is "Dr. Strange"?
-love?
And by the way, the Dayton, Vegas, and El Paso shooters were Republicants.
Actually, no.. Vegas and Dayton scumbags were Democrats.. Dayton scumbag was a Warren supporter..
El Paso scumbag was an eco-terrorist.. That puts him firmly in the Democrat Party, irregardless of what he was actually registered as..
Once again.. You have bullshit.. I have FACTS....
You DO know that I fix TVs for a living, right?
Or did. Hard to believe that you can be here all day and still hold a job.
And who the hell is "Dr. Strange"?
You don't know who Stephen Strange is!??
You heathen!!!
But hay, you don't need to know who he is to refute his facts, eh??
Go for it...
Ya can't can ya?? :D
Or did.
Actually, I was involved in Military, LEO, FSO and Security Operations Chief for a large worldwide PMC for over 25 years..
That is what I "did"...
Hard to believe that you can be here all day and still hold a job.
And yet, here I am.. :D
I know, I know.. You wish you could get me to leave..
Well, ya can.. Just start defeating me with FACTS. And I'll get frustrated and leave...
But ya can't do that because you have no facts to show.. :D
And here we are.. :D
Intel chief defends handling of Trump call complaint, spars with Schiff in tense hearinghttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/acting-dni-director-maguire-to-testify-before-house-intel-amid-ukraine-whistleblower-complaint-fallout
Looks like it's Schiff-head who is gunning for responsible leaders... :^/
Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, in tense testimony Thursday on Capitol Hill, defended his handling of the explosive whistleblower complaint alleging President Trump pressured the Ukrainian president to investigate the Biden family -- while calling the matter "unprecedented."
But after maintaining his composure for most of the morning, his frustration showed through at the end, when House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., repeatedly pressed him to agree that the matter should be investigated.
READ THE WHISTLEBLOWER'S COMPLAINT
Maguire stressed that the committee now has all of the relevant information, including the whistleblower complaint itself that was released publicly Thursday morning, and said it's up to them to decide how to proceed.
“The horse has left the barn,” Maguire said. “You have all of the information. You have the whistleblower complaint. You have the letter from the ICIG. You have the Office of Legal Counsel opinion and you have the transcript from the president.”
Maguire also stressed that the complaint was essentially "hearsay" and not “corroborated by other folks.”
Yep..
That is **ALL** Democrats have..
Nothing but hearsay from ANONYMOUS sources..
I give this a week.. 2 tops before Democrats have to throw in the towel and admit it's a big ball of NOTHING...
But hay, you don't need to know who he is to refute his facts, eh?
I need a link, at least. "Making stuff up" is a problem with you guys, these days.
“This is second-hand information. I am not criticizing the whistleblower,” Macguire said. “... I am in no position to tell the committee to do an investigation or not to do an investigation.”
Schiff vowed at the end "we are gonna find out" the backstory, including whether U.S. aid was tied in any way to Trump's investigation request, which the president denies.
The combative conclusion of the session reflected the high tensions and enormous stakes surrounding Maguire's appearance. The rare open hearing of the intelligence committee commanded Washington's political attention given the implications for the newly launched impeachment inquiry against Trump, related to the whistleblower complaint.
Shortly after the hearing ended, Trump fired back on Twitter, saying: “Adam Schiff has zero credibility. Another fantasy to hurt the Republican Party!”
Yep...
Democrats are going to fold and have to concede there is nothing here..
Haven't heard anything from Pelosi all day..
She is probably busy throwing up at the utter and total BONE HEAD move she made by listening to the ignorant freshman class..
I need a link, at least. "Making stuff up" is a problem with you guys, these days.
Can you refute the facts he laid out..
YES OR NO...
Obviously, the answer is NO...
President Trump told reporters that the process is a “disgrace,” defended his Ukraine call as “absolutely perfect” and accused Democrats of bringing any legislative progress to a standstill.
“They’re frozen, the Democrats,” he said.
Maguire's reputation was also on trial Thursday. He has come under fire from Democrats for initially withholding a copy of the complaint from lawmakers. That standoff was technically resolved when the complaint was declassified, and released to the public, in advance of the hearing. But Maguire was still pressed for answers from Democratic committee members on why his office did not hand over the complaint at first.
Maguire insisted he is "not partisan" and "not political," reminding the panel that he served under eight presidents and has taken the oath of office 11 times.
"I have served and led through turbulent times," he said. "... My integrity has never been questioned until now."
However, he maintained, "I believe that I handled this matter in full compliance with the law at all times.”
All Democrats have is anonymous bullshit and hate....
They "have the whistleblower complaint. You have the letter from the ICIG. You have the Office of Legal Counsel opinion and you have the transcript from the president.” And that transcript shows an open crime.
I'd think this will continue awhile.
At one point in the hearing, during a tense exchange with Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., about allegations in the complaint of a potential “cover-up” regarding the Ukraine call, Maguire pushed back again by reminding the committee that the complaint was not based on direct knowledge.
“This is second-hand information from a whistleblower. I have no knowledge if that is a true and accurate statement,” Maguire said regarding the “cover-up” claim. The complaint said White House officials tried to “lock down” records of the call. In the same document, the whistleblower also acknowledged not being a “direct witness” to most of the events described, instead citing other U.S. officials who are not named.
Republican members also jumped to Maguire's defense at the hearing, while accusing Democrats of launching an "information warfare operation" against Trump. Rep. Chris Stewart, R-Utah, said of Maguire: "I think you're nuts if you're going to convince the American people that your cause is just by attacking this man, by impugning his character."
The patriotic Americans will see thru this BS and side with President Trump...
That much is certain..
But it's clear that this whole charade by the Dumbocrats is neither "simple" nor "obvious" and it is very VERY clear it's defensible..
Democrats have already lost.. They are just too stoopid to know it..
And that transcript shows an open crime.
Yea?? Where??
You can't point to it because you know you are LYING when you claim it shows a crime..
Meanwhile, Republicans on the committee, including Ranking Member Devin Nunes, R-Calif., accused Democrats of orchestrating a public spectacle.
"I want to congratulate the Democrats on the rollout of their latest information warfare operation against the president, and their extraordinary ability once again to enlist the mainstream media in their campaign," Nunes said, adding that “we’ve been treated to an unending parade of press releases, press conferences, and fake news stories.”
"The released transcript of the call has already debunked that central assertion, but that didn't matter," he continued. "The Democrats simply moved the goalposts and began claiming that there doesn't need to be a quid pro quo for this conversation to serve as the basis for impeaching the president."
The White House, on Wednesday, released an unclassified version of the transcript of that controversial phone call. The memo, which does not reflect a “verbatim transcript” but is based on “notes and recollections” of those memorializing the call, shows Trump congratulating Zelensky on his election victory before Trump eventually gets to the subject of the Bidens, seeking an investigation of some kind.
Maguire says that the whistleblower complaint released Thursday "is in alignment with what was released yesterday by the president."
So much for Russ's TOTALLY BULLSHIT claim that the phone call President Trump released was NOT the same phone call that was in the Whistle Blower complaint..
I called total bullshit on Russ' claim and was proved to be 1000% accurate... :D
While the transcript shows Trump pressing Ukraine to “look into” the Bidens, it does not show the U.S. president explicitly linking that request to U.S. aid — which had been frozen days earlier, a detail that fueled impeachment calls earlier this week and helped prompt House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to announce a formal impeachment inquiry Tuesday.
Hours after the transcript was released, Trump met with Zelensky on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York City. Reporters asked Zelensky about the call with Trump, and whether he felt pressured by the U.S. president, as alleged by the whistleblower—an accusation he denied.
“I think you read everything. I’m sorry but I don’t want to be involved in democratic elections of the USA,” he said. “We had a good phone call. It was normal, we spoke about many things.”
He added: “I think you read it that nobody pushed me.”
Republicans have also raised concerns about the whistleblower's possible "political bias," as the intelligence community inspector general found indications the whistleblower was "in favor of a rival political candidate" of Trump.
No matter WHERE you turn, there are ZERO facts that support Dumbocrat claims..
ZERO... NONE.. NADA... NIX... NEIN...
And that transcript shows an open crime.
Still waiting for you to show the crime, Blath???
Cat got yer fingers!!???
BBBBWWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Put up or shut up, sunshine.. :D
Immediately after Zelensky mentions U.S. defense aid, Trump directly asks Zelensky for a "favor," indicating such aid may be dependent upon Zelensky’s compliance.
And says the word, 'though', indicating a direct link between the two subjects. Caught.
Spin it the way that you want, the president was holding up military aid, and pressuring Zelensky in return for dirt on Democrats.
Now that sounds fine to you, I realize, but many Democrats took offense. That's why this is far from over.
Existential question for the day..
If Hitler was running for President against President Trump....
Would Democrats vote for Hitler??
Or just stay home and hope President Trump wins??
And says the word, 'though', indicating a direct link between the two subjects. Caught.
Sorry, son..
THAT is not in the transcript..
You lose..
As a matter of fact, the subject of the military aid didn't even COME UP in the phone call..
Once again.. You are caught in a lie...
You lose..
@Balthy
You said:
and you have the transcript from the president.” And that transcript shows an open crime.
The transcript from the President, the transcript of the phone call, doesn't even MENTION Military or aid..
You got caught spewing a lie.. Spewing bullshit..
You lose..
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.
Directly from the transcript. He said 'though', which ties this subject to the previous subject. Which was military aid. You lose.
I mean, com'on..
Even CW concedes that there was no Quid Pro Quo...
Ya'all lost.. AGAIN..
President Zelenskyy: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
That's the previous sentence. It's about the military.
Directly from the transcript. He said 'though', which ties this subject to the previous subject. Which was military aid. You lose.
(3/MF) President Zelenskyy: Yes you are·absolutely right. ?ot
.only 100%, but actually 1000% arid I can tell you the following;
I did talk to Angela ?erkel and I did meet.with her. I also met
and talked withMacron . and I told them that they are not doing
quite as much as they need to be doing·on the issues with the
sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not
working as much as
.
they should work for Ukraine? It turns out
that even though logically, the European Union should be our
biggest· partner but technically the United States is a much
bigger partner than.the European Union and- I'm very grateful to
you for that because the United States is doing quite a· lot for
Ukraine. Much more than the E"?ropean Union especially when we
are talking about sanctions against the Russia,n Federation. r·
· would also·li?e to thank you·for.your great support iri the area
of defense. . We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next
steps. specifically we a·re almost. ready to buy more Javelins from
·_ the United· States for defense purposes ..
Nope.. President Zelensky was talking about a FUTURE purchase of US Javelins.. The current aid package was not mentioned in ANY way, shape or form..
Even if it were, that one little word doesn't mean what you think it means..
You have NO FACTS to support your claim..
NONE..
Ooops Let's try that again....
Directly from the transcript. He said 'though', which ties this subject to the previous subject. Which was military aid. You lose.
(3/MF) President Zelenskyy: Yes you are·absolutely right. ?ot
.only 100%, but actually 1000% arid I can tell you the following;
I did talk to Angela ?erkel and I did meet.with her. I also met
and talked withMacron . and I told them that they are not doing
quite as much as they need to be doing·on the issues with the
sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not
working as much as
.
they should work for Ukraine? It turns out
that even though logically, the European Union should be our
biggest· partner but technically the United States is a much
bigger partner than.the European Union and- I'm very grateful to
you for that because the United States is doing quite a· lot for
Ukraine. Much more than the E"?ropean Union especially when we
are talking about sanctions against the Russia,n Federation. r·
· would also·li?e to thank you·for.your great support iri the area
of defense. . We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next
steps. specifically we a·re almost. ready to buy more Javelins from
·_ the United· States for defense purposes ..
Nope.. President Zelensky was talking about a FUTURE purchase of US Javelins.. The current aid package was not mentioned in ANY way, shape or form..
Even if it were, that one little word doesn't mean what you think it means..
You have NO FACTS to support your claim..
NONE..
Doesn't matter what CW conceded 2 days ago. Look at the transcript.
We. are ready to continue to cooperate for the next
steps. specifically we a·re almost. ready to buy more Javelins from
·_ the United· States for defense purposes ..
"NEXT Step".. Not the CURRENT aid package or past aid package..
You lose..
AGAIN
Doesn't matter what CW conceded 2 days ago. Look at the transcript.
Actually, CW conceded it in the current commentary..
DUH... You are REALLY getting good at this LOSING thing, eh?? :D
Even if it were, that one little word doesn't mean what you think it means..
Sure the hell does. There's nothing else that it could mean! Quid the fuck Pro Quo.
The current military aid package was NOT mentioned in President Trump's phone call to President Zelensky..
There simply is NO CASE for Quid Pro Quo to be made...
And irregardless of THAT fact, the thing is, in the passage you point to, President Trump is talking about helping DEMOCRATS investigate the 2016 elections..
•t:?;'HP) The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though
because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a
lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with
this whole si?uation with Ukraine, they s_ay Crowdstrike ... I guess
you have one of your weal thy people... The server, they say
Ukraine has.it? There- are a lot. of things that went on, the·
:whole situation .. I think you 1 re _surrounding yourse·lf with some
of the same people. I .
would like to have the Attorney General
call you or your people and I would like you t? ·get to the
bottom of it?. As you sa? yest?rday, that whole nonsetise ended
with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mue?le_r, an
incompetent performance-, _but they. say a lot of it started with
Ukraine. Whatever you can do, ·it's very important that· you. do it
if that's possible.
If you would actually post the ENTIRE paragraph instead of trying to hide it, you would see how full of shit you are....
So, no matter HOW you want to spin it...
Yer full of shit, Balthy..
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed.."
in the passage you point to, President Trump is talking about helping DEMOCRATS investigate the 2016 elections..
BWAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Sure. I'm done today. Good laugh.
You lost. See you tomorrow.
Sure. I'm done today.
Yea, it's funny how FACTS always chase ya'all a way.. :D
You lost.
However you have to spin it to make it through your day... :D Facts don't lie..
See you tomorrow.
I'll be here.. Dominating as usual.. :D
I cannot fathom why the Republicans would continue to scream about the FBI not taking the physical servers from the DNC into custody when they conducted the investigation into the hacking of said servers. The physical equipment is not what was “hacked”, it was the software portion that was hacked. The FBI’s cybersecurity team needed to only make a copy image of the server to have everything they needed to conduct their investigation.
Maybe this will help: If you notice some unknown party has been making purchases with your credit card and call to report that your ID was stolen, the police do not show up at your house and take your wallet from you as “evidence” in their investigation. Why? Because they do not need your physical credit card to conduct an investigation of online purchases that you did not make!
Now they want to say the actual servers were moved to the Ukraine? This makes sense - maybe - if the DNC upgraded their servers and the old ones were sent to the Ukraine to be refurbished, but that is not likely. It also would not matter where the physical servers are now located... they hold no information that was not already available to the FBI when they first conducted their investigation!!! Republicans count on their base’s lack of knowledge to cause them to accept the GOP’s lies.
But hay.. Balthy, before you go..
Let's look at a PRACTICAL issue..
Let's say that Democrats actually DO follow thru this whole impeachment thing without totally decimating their Party..
And let's further stipulate that Democrats in the House can actually vote to Impeach President Trump..
Can you visualize how the Senate Trial will go down with the GOP in control and they have the capability of calling ANY Democrat to testify and can ask ANY question they want and Democrats HAVE to answer under oath???
Do you REALIZE how utterly DECIMATING that's going to be for Democrats..
Hell, even if you IGNORE the fact that there is not a chance in hell that the GOP will convict President Trump...
Not a chance in hell of success.. And Democrats all up and down the food chain are dragged in to testify under oath...
You just HAVE to wonder if it's all worth it??
Russ, you lost all yer credibility when you claimed that the Whistle Blower call and the actual Trump/Zelensky were different calls.. :eyeroll:
OK.. Well, my time now belongs to my lovely wife...
So, I will see ya'all bright and early in the morning..
PLEASE try and come up with some new material..
Ya'all are EXTREMELY boring...
Aside to CRS.. I am DYING to hear your thoughts on how everyone here is back to the COLLUSION IS ILLEGAL mantra.. :D
Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya.. :D
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Has ya'all's opinion changed as to President Trump's re-election being all but a sure thing??
Marginally. I have thought all along that Biden is a weak general election candidate, and Elizabeth Warren less so. Now that she's doing better than I expected, that makes me less pessimistic.
But I'm always pessimistic about politics. Politics is a rotten way to make decisions. In politics, all of us together are stupider than any of us.
“I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike ... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... “
If you remember Bill Barr’s summary of the Mueller Report — that he later told us was not meant as a summary of the conclusions and findings — anytime you see an ellipsis used in a transcript, that means what was said following the ellipsis has been left out.
I realize that with Trump it would be easy to think that he just stopped his sentence at this point, paused, and then said the next sentence without bothering to finish his original thought. Since this is his typical speaking style, that is why it is so imperative that proper punctuation be used when transcribing his babbling conversations!
And if you remember how Barr used ellipsis in the past, you’ll recall that it meant he was leaving out especially damning statements against Trump. That the ellipsis were used right when Trump starts discussing the DNC server and who he believes might be involved is very telling. Cannot wait to see the full transcript!
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I cannot fathom why the Republicans would continue to scream about the FBI not taking the physical servers from the DNC into custody when they conducted the investigation into the hacking of said servers.
To further a conspiracy... because "conspiracy" bullshit is the lifeblood of the right-wingnut world.
The physical equipment is not what was “hacked”, it was the software portion that was hacked.
You'll just confuse them with facts.
The FBI’s cybersecurity team needed to only make a copy image of the server to have everything they needed to conduct their investigation.
Which is exactly what they do, but you'll just confuse them with facts. :)
Maybe this will help: If you notice some unknown party has been making purchases with your credit card and call to report that your ID was stolen, the police do not show up at your house and take your wallet from you as “evidence” in their investigation. Why? Because they do not need your physical credit card to conduct an investigation of online purchases that you did not make!
Exactly! But you'll just confuse them with facts.
Now they want to say the actual servers were moved to the Ukraine? This makes sense - maybe - if the DNC upgraded their servers and the old ones were sent to the Ukraine to be refurbished, but that is not likely.
It only makes "sense" in the context of the fact that it was conspiracy bullshit invented by the QAnon conspiracy nutjobs and their ilk to further their right-wingnut fantastical nonsensical BS.
It also would not matter where the physical servers are now located... they hold no information that was not already available to the FBI when they first conducted their investigation!!!
You'll just confuse them with facts.
Republicans count on their base’s lack of knowledge to cause them to accept the GOP’s lies.
Ding, ding, ding... WE HAVE A WINNER HERE!
I now have enough facts to make an educated guess as to the identity of the Whistleblower.
Also, it appears to me that the Ukraine coverup is Trump's attempt to find a cover to pardon Paul Manafort. Poor Donald. By the time he could spin that conspiracy shit into a valid "get out of jail free card" for Paulie, he'd remain in jail regardless because: New York, New York!
AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd if I can make it there
I'm gonna make it anywhere
Come on come through
New York, Neeeeeeeeeeeew York! :)
9 Liz
I think you may have missed the point.
Could be.
The point that CW was making by mentioning Jackson? Or the point that Jackson allegedly had?
I say Jackson didn't have a point. So yeah, if he did, I missed it.
CW seems to have mostly just wanted to use a fitting historical quote, but also to remind us that presidential history isn't all full of lofty admirable statesmen speaking with great decorum.
Russ, you lost all yer credibility when you claimed that the Whistle Blower call and the actual Trump/Zelensky were different calls..
What I said was that we did not know what the Whistle Blower’s complaint included, so to assume the call was the only thing it covered - if it covered it at all - was foolish. When I said it, you did not know what the complaint was, but you wanted to dismiss it based only on that phone call. Good try, but once again, you failed miserably! And by the way:
Capt. Whorely, you lost all of YOUR credibility when you claimed to everyone here that you had worked as a commissioned law enforcement officer in the past when you never had!
To make matters worse, when I noted that I found it strange that you had never told us any wild stories from actual calls that you had been on, you insinuated that you had done so prior to my discovering CW’s website. Basically admitting that you had lied to everyone on the board at that time if what you were saying was true; and lying to everyone now if it wasn’t true.
So please, continue sharing with the group why MY credibility should be questioned!?!
FUN FACT: This conspiracy bullshit that the Idiot President is foisting on Zelensky in his "not a transcript but a summary" of an approximately 30-minute phone call" happens to mirror quite closely the defense of Roger Stone in his upcoming trial. Stone's defense is pure nutjob insanity and not surprisingly sounds like the stuff Donald is insisting that Zelensky cough up for him in a definite QPQ for hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid.
Appendix D: Just a friendly reminder that Robert Mueller spun off a whole lot of cases that are continuing to be prosecuted "robustly" by the F... B... I.
Russ
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What I said was that we did not know what the Whistle Blower’s complaint included, so to assume the call was the only thing it covered - if it covered it at all - was foolish.
Obviously, Russ, you are correct, but he's being spoon-fed by the right wingnuts and regurgitating the conspiracy bullshit here. The wingnuts and their useful idiots are pushing the idiotic narrative that it was one call and "nothing to see here." "One and Done"
They were trying to "Bill Barr" the whole thing.
Kick,
I now have enough facts to make an educated guess as to the identity of the Whistleblower.
WELL???? The winner is.... Don’t leave me hangin’, girl!
I thought it might be former Deputy DNI Sue Gordon who resigned after out-going DNI Coats stuck his head in a meeting she was conducting and announced in front of everyone that she needed to resign immediately! Gordon reportedly finished her meeting, went to her office and typed up her resignation letter, took her belongings and quit.
Coats might not have known that this shitstorm was about to happen, but the timing of their departures sure is curious!
Kick,
If Zelensky produces what Trump is asking for, then that would put his country in the U.S.’s crosshairs to be hit with massive sanctions. Why, in the world would he actually follow through with what Trump is requesting from him?
Bottom line: HE WOULDN’T! Trump is just too stupid and desperate to realize it.
Trump is trying to clear Russia for interfering with our elections in 2016 and remove the asterisk that history books will always assign to his being elected!
Russ
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WELL???? The winner is.... Don’t leave me hangin’, girl!
Who you calling "girl"? ;) *wink*
I thought it might be former Deputy DNI Sue Gordon who resigned after out-going DNI Coats stuck his head in a meeting she was conducting and announced in front of everyone that she needed to resign immediately! Gordon reportedly finished her meeting, went to her office and typed up her resignation letter, took her belongings and quit.
Makes sense.
Coats might not have known that this shitstorm was about to happen, but the timing of their departures sure is curious!
Oh, Coats had to have known. It seems to me like there's no way this whole shitshow lands on the ADNI's desk the next after Coats leaves with his #2 by mere coincidence.
So don't leave you hanging! Why would I torture anyone? Silly!
EDIT
Oh, Coats had to have known. It seems to me like there's no way this whole shitshow lands on the ADNI's desk the next day after Coats leaves with his #2 by mere coincidence.
Fixed it. :)
From this post at Balloon-Juice: https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/09/26/politico-confirms-and-validates-the-whistleblowers-allegation-that-white-house-staff-are-misclassifying-records-of-the-presidents-communications-with-foreign-leaders/
So Blotus has been "saving" his call info. on the super-private server since 2017 which creates a host of security and national security problems.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/whistle-blower-report-trump/598870/?utm_content=edit-promo&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_medium=social&utm_term=2019-09-26T14%3A06%3A21
Russ
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If Zelensky produces what Trump is asking for, then that would put his country in the U.S.’s crosshairs to be hit with massive sanctions. Why, in the world would he actually follow through with what Trump is requesting from him?
Right... basic stuff, and worse than that, Russ, the Moron POTUS has now handed President Zelensky the same type of kompromat that Putin already has on him. Who's to say that President Zelensky wouldn't use what he knows about Trump and the PT Barnum circus in the White House in order to compromise the national security of the United States?
Bottom line: HE WOULDN’T! Trump is just too stupid and desperate to realize it.
And PT and his Barnum Circus have collectively withheld military aid from Ukraine and compromised national security in order to advance the personal interests of President Dumbfuckery rather than the national interests of We the People. Those are our tax dollars they're using to further Trump's personal interests, and not coincidently, withholding the military aid from Ukraine happens to further the interests of Putin.
Based on what I'm seeing, it appears to me that Trump has this candy ass fantasy that he is going to win a Nobel Peace Prize by getting Russia and Ukraine to "kiss and make up" and then "restore peace to the galaxy" and release sanctions on Russia... or something similar. Whatever the case, Benedict Donald is being played by Putin to further the interests of Russia by withholding aid to Ukraine to further his own interests and those of Manafort (in jail) and Stone (in trial).
Trump is trying to clear Russia for interfering with our elections in 2016 and remove the asterisk that history books will always assign to his being elected!
Well... Appendix D. These are not altogether separate issues. Trump has released the summary of a phone call to the entire world wherein he's still obviously concerned about the Mueller Report and all that it entails, has he not? It's all there on a silver platter and gift wrapped by Trump: They're still trying to "Bill Barr" the entire Mueller Report and free Manafort and keep Stone out of jail, and nobody needs to be reelected more than Trump so he's trying to take down Biden at the same time he covers his own ass... or something similar. :)