Pelosi Has Luxury Of Setting Impeachment Timetable
House Democrats are soon going to face a stark choice. Either they wait for the court system to slowly grind its way up to the Supreme Court, and then hope that John Roberts values his legacy enough to rule in their favor; or they can just move past judicial delays altogether and draft articles of impeachment sooner rather than later. So far it seems they're more inclined to pursue the latter strategy, but it is still too early in the process to state that definitively. A court ruling limiting Trump's excessive executive privilege claims would be a valuable thing in its own right, but the question is going to be: is it worth the inevitable wait?
At the heart of the whole issue is the separation of powers inherent in our Constitution, and what happens when those powers come into contention with each other. Will this be a struggle involving all three branches, or merely two? Currently, House Democrats are already suing the Trump administration for its stonewalling on many subjects under investigation, but these court cases are not on any kind of fast track, and therefore will not provide any clear decisions any time soon. Even if a lower court were to rule that Trump had to turn over all the documents and witnesses they've been concealing, that decision would immediately be appealed to a higher court, and then no matter what they decided, appealed again up to the Supreme Court. This would all, obviously, consume a lot of time.
Even if all the courts ruled in the Democrats' favor, it still could be many months before any evidence is uncovered, to put it another way. And it's an open question how the highest court would rule. Past executive privilege decisions indicate that the Democrats would likely win at least a partial victory, mostly because no previous president has ever claimed executive privilege in such blanket fashion. Even the limited claims made by previous presidents have been denied by the high court, so it's almost certain that Trump's blatant misuse of privilege would be curtailed at least in part. Trump has not just pushed the envelope here, he has sent the envelope through the paper shredder. It's highly doubtful that all of his claims of executive privilege are going to withstand judicial scrutiny. But how long would all of that take? Would it be worth the time, or would it delay the impeachment investigation even beyond the 2020 election?
Alternatively, Democrats could just ignore the constitutional crisis phase, and move straight to impeachment with what they have already uncovered and what Trump has blatantly and publicly admitted to doing. This would avoid having to sit around for months waiting for the judges to act.
Democrats could draw up at least three articles of impeachment tomorrow, if they so wished. Article one would be: "Colluded with foreign governments to provide damaging political information on his political opponents." Exhibit A would be the Ukrainian call semi-transcript. Exhibit B would be his statement today inviting China to also investigate Hunter Biden, based on nothing short of a conspiracy theory Trump has -- in the middle of trade negotiations with China, no less. Getting -- or even asking for -- "anything of value" from a foreigner in the midst of a political campaign is illegal. It's a surprisingly easy case to make, in fact, and doesn't require any sort of quid pro quo at all. And Trump is quite obviously guilty, convicted by his own words.
Article two would be: "Attempting to intimidate witnesses." This is also a pretty easy one to understand, and the proof is right there in Trump's voluminous Twitter feed. He's currently on the warpath against both the whistleblower and whichever of his own aides leaked the information to the whistleblower, and he's not exactly shy about venting his spleen towards all of them. This is not only highly unethical, it is also illegal. Trump has done so in the past as president, as well, so this list could include every instance of Trump trying to threaten or sweet-talk or otherwise influence someone's testimony, either before Congress or before a court of law.
Article three would be: "Obstructing justice." Every time Trump stonewalls Congress from this point going forward would be the basis for this, and that's likely to be a pretty long list before all is said and done. Added to this list would be all the times Trump has done so in the past, most definitely including the ten specific instances laid out in the Mueller Report. Trump has acted like a Mafia boss throughout his presidency, so this would be a rather exhaustive accounting of it all.
All of this could be drafted tomorrow, as noted. None of this requires any further investigation. It's all on the table already, for all to see. None of it would require lengthy court battles over executive privilege, because every time Trump asserts this privilege without solid legal justification, it would merely be added to the list in the third article of impeachment. Democrats have already warned the White House that this is precisely what is going to happen, so their cards are already on the table as well.
What this means is that Nancy Pelosi has the luxury of being able to decide when to act, independent of the judicial system. She won't have to wait for a Supreme Court decision if she doesn't want to. She could act at any time, in fact. This means that she can completely control the schedule of the entire impeachment process.
Now, nobody expects she's actually going to draw up articles of impeachment tomorrow. There is still plenty of investigation to be done, whether such efforts prove to be fruitless or not. Democrats have to be seen as taking the process seriously, and full investigations are the way to do so.
There's no limit on how many articles of impeachment are drawn up, either. There could easily be four or more, depending on what all the other Trump investigations turn up or have already uncovered. There's even a second whistleblower complaint currently being investigated, claiming that Trump administration political appointees tried to influence the legally-mandated I.R.S. audits of Trump's tax returns. If political influence is proven to have taken place over auditing Trump's taxes, then that would demand another article of impeachment, obviously. And this isn't the only other investigation already underway in the House.
Pelosi also has the luxury of picking and choosing among these additional instances of wrongdoing. Those three articles of impeachment stemming solely from the Ukrainian collusion are already strong enough, and they are simple enough for most people to understand without having to get into any legal weeds at all. Pelosi could choose to keep it simple, and resist the urge to throw everything including the kitchen sink at Trump. Alternatively, she could view impeachment as the one bite at Trump's apple she's going to get, and provide a full accounting for historical reasons. Whether to pile it all together or keep a tight focus is entirely up to Pelosi, though.
The biggest reason that Pelosi is going to wait at least a few months (at a minimum) before acting is that she knows full well that Democrats are in a battle for public opinion with Trump. Already, the public has moved astonishingly fast to support at least the impeachment investigation -- the numbers spiked up to a majority immediately after Pelosi announced the impeachment inquiry. The question is how much more public support Democrats can get. If it stays in the 50-60 percent range, then that's roughly how many people already disapprove of the job Trump is doing as president, so it won't be all that meaningful. However, if this needle moves above 60 percent, then Republicans (especially in the Senate) are going to start getting nervous about their own electoral prospects. Senators like Susan Collins of Maine are going to look at the polling and make the hard choice whether to continue backing Trump even if it means the end of their own political career.
We haven't reached this point yet, and there's no guarantee that we will. But the possibility is certainly worth taking a few months to explore. So far, Trump seems to be losing the P.R. battle badly, mostly because he is winging it without any formal White House group tasked with coming up with a defensive strategy. Trump, as always, is convinced that he's better at messaging than anyone else, so why should he consult with anyone about what to tweet? This could lead to disaster, of course, but he'll certainly never admit that.
But throughout this entire process, Pelosi will be able to determine the schedule herself. She can choose to pull the impeachment trigger at any time, or she can choose to wait a little longer to see what else comes out. She can direct her committee chairs to draw up limited articles of impeachment that are focused and direct, or she can allow everyone in her caucus to add anything they wish to the list, or she can chart a course between these two extremes. It's all up to her to decide, really. And if the courts aren't moving fast enough, she can do so at any time she chooses.
To sum all of this up: this might wind up being the first modern impeachment that happens without any Supreme Court decisions happening along the way. That would be rather extraordinary, but with the election a little more than a year away, Nancy Pelosi may decide that the court system is just too slow for this particular set of circumstances.
-- Chris Weigant
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Is the promise of America dead yet?
Forget the promise of America. It's now the corrupt States of America.
One thing is for sure - it's going to take a special sort of statesman to course correct this mess.
Couldn't the Helsinki situation form another article of impeachment?
The Helsinki situation is even closely related to the Ukraine call.
Pelosi gets to decide when to hit the start button. From there, the timetable is up to Moscow Mitch.
It would be nice if the House could limit themselves to a set of articles of impeachment none of which relate, even tangentially, to Joe Biden. They won't.
You didn't even mention emoluments, but I hope they won't be forgotten. They may not be the most important thing, but one thing everybody in America can really understand is how Trump has made money off the presidency in a way that constitutes stealing from the taxpayers.
From an article in Politico:
While the media’s interest was sparked by the possibility of wrongdoing by Trump, the casual reader watching TV with the sound off or scrolling the headlines on a news site might well have assumed the greater scandal was about Biden.
By the time the general election rolls around, the smokescreen will have convinced most voters that there's fire.
"Trump, as always, is convinced that he's better at messaging than anyone else, so why should he consult with anyone about what to tweet? This could lead to disaster, of course, but he'll certainly never admit that."
And that's the best arrow in Pelosi's quiver. Trump's hubris has brought him down before, and we all know he hates to be outdone, he'll keep bollocking things up, delivering one gobshite salad after another and retain that silly old scrotum, Giuliani, to further foggy the minds of lesser men.
I have to admit, while I don't enjoy watching animals suffer, I am quite amused watching Trump disintegrate before the eyes of the world, there being no one more deserving. His antics during the presser with the Finnish President was one for the ages, the poor bugger having to endure yet another Trump-trum, his second of the day...How I laughed as Trump recited (falsely, of course) the same verbal scat about 'beautiful conversations' and 'Quids no pro's' to chorused eyerolls and sighs of boredom from the unlucky few who were unable to avoid the dragnet of the white house 'crowd selection press gang.'
If there's a defining period of this shambolic period in the life of Trump's presidency, the last few days might get a few votes, The bombast and sheer idiocy of his talking points have been breathtaking in their scope, the fact that the entire free world is on one page, the right page, and Trump and his pets on another, completely wrong page, has even some GOP lawmakers coming out with some mild disquiet.
All this nonsense about Hunter Biden sitting on a board of some company about which he knows nothing, I'll wager there isn't a single political player in Washington that hasn't mapped out their 'phone in jobs' for when they retire from political life. Lord knows, they'll want to put all those honorary Dr's degrees to good use.
So you know, I have the third week of May 2020 for when Trump resigns in favour of Pence, 'the establishment man'....
Toodles, Poodles...
LL&P
[7] 'By the time the general election rolls around, the smokescreen will have convinced most voters that there's fire'
I dunno about that, Trump's only audience for bullshit is his base, and they're not exactly pro-Biden or mild fence sitters. Most people see through this latest farce, a few more probably don't care for Trump's solicitation of China and Ukraine's imaginary dirt on Biden, considering it's colluding in the open with foreign powers to interfere again in an American election....
LL&P
Most people don't see anything about it. Most people just want politics to go away and leave them alone.
I don't think Trump's 180 degree turn to embrace collusion is a strategy. It is a mental breakdown. Panic is another word for it. Panic is contagious. I think it will spread quickly among WH staff at all levels.
At the heart of the whole issue is the separation of powers inherent in our Constitution, and what happens when those powers come into contention with each other. Will this be a struggle involving all three branches, or merely two? Currently, House Democrats are already suing the Trump administration for its stonewalling on many subjects under investigation, but these court cases are not on any kind of fast track, and therefore will not provide any clear decisions any time soon. Even if a lower court were to rule that Trump had to turn over all the documents and witnesses they've been concealing, that decision would immediately be appealed to a higher court, and then no matter what they decided, appealed again up to the Supreme Court. This would all, obviously, consume a lot of time.
AND... President Trump is likely to prevail at the SCOTUS as his track record there is pretty impressive, it must be conceded..
And it's an open question how the highest court would rule.
Actually, it's not.. At least not to those who DON'T suffer from HHPTDS...
Alternatively, Democrats could just ignore the constitutional crisis phase, and move straight to impeachment with what they have already uncovered and what Trump has blatantly and publicly admitted to doing. This would avoid having to sit around for months waiting for the judges to act.
Democrats won't do this because they KNOW they will lose..
Getting -- or even asking for -- "anything of value" from a foreigner in the midst of a political campaign is illegal.
Point to me a relevant law that defines information as "anything of value"..
You can't because it isn't..
I am further constrained to point out that Hillary solicited that "something of value" DIRECTLY from Ukraine and, indirectly, from a Brit and Russian intelligence..
I don't recall anyone here complaining.. How come??
All of this could be drafted tomorrow, as noted.
And all of this would be defeated the next day...
:D
You know it. I know it.. Everyone here knows it..
That's why Pelosi won't do it.
The long and short of it, is this...
There is not a single solitary FACT that supports impeachment..
Ya'all ignore that point because ya'all have no defense to refute that point..
Liz,
One thing is for sure - it's going to take a special sort of statesman to course correct this mess.
Well, yer in luck..
He is already President.. :D
dsws
It would be nice if the House could limit themselves to a set of articles of impeachment none of which relate, even tangentially, to Joe Biden. They won't.
Of course they won't..
Democrats can be counted on to do whatever causes the most harm to themselves or to this country..
andygaus,
WOW!!! Fresh meat!! :D
It's been a while.. :D
"WELCOME TO THE PARTY, PAL!!!!"
-John McClane, DIE HARD
You didn't even mention emoluments, but I hope they won't be forgotten.
It already has been forgotten because there is nothing to it.
The courts have already thrown out the emoluments claim against President Trump..
As with everything else, it was based on HHPTDS and nothing more..
They may not be the most important thing, but one thing everybody in America can really understand is how Trump has made money off the presidency in a way that constitutes stealing from the taxpayers.
Except there are no facts to support the claim, that's why the courts threw it out.
As far as making money in the Presidency... You didn't seem to mind when Obama made TENS OF MILLIONS off his presidency??
How come??
Ahhh, that's right.. Because Obama has a -D after his name, so it's perfectly acceptable..
OK Allow me to take care of some old business...
Liz,
In your haste to prove hypocrisy under every rock and to attribute everything to whether there is a 'D' or 'R' involved, you have obliterated the facts to the point where you believe there is more than one set of facts. Which is preposterous on its face.
Then, by all means.. Edumacate me..
What FACTS have I obliterated..
I mean, you make a claim.. You should back it up, right?? :D
Liz,
As such, your credibility here is not, how shall I put it, not what it could be.
Are you serious?? I am the ONLY one here who has ANY semblance of credibility..
I mean, the *FACT* that ya'all have ALWAYS been wrong about President Trump and I have always been factually accurate...
That fact alone proves who has credibility here and who does not..
So, I would say that, even though I like you best, ya'all's credibility is non-existent when it comes to President Trump..
This is a well-documented fact that you cannot dispute..
With regard to Biden and Trump, there is only one fact to consider: vice president Biden followed all of the ethics rules and norms and was completely transparent with regard to Hunter Biden's role in the Ukrainian energy company Burisma.
And yet, Obama is not stepping up.. Hunter has gone into hiding in a non-extradition country..
You have your opinion... And I have the FACTS..
I respect your opinion. But, because it has no facts to support it, it is not a viable or valid opinion..
Liz,
I know this to be true because several people in whom my trust is well placed have said this is true.
I am not concerned with truth.. As Biden said, ya'all are only about "truth" as long it's ya'all's "truth"...
I am concerned with FACTS and FACTS alone..
And the FACTS indicate that Joe Biden did something hinky in Ukraine (and China). And it's an UNDISPUTED FACT that his campaign is in free-fall because of it..
Liz,
President Trump, on the other hand, has not followed these rules and norms.
Which is EXACTLY why he was hired..
Americans were (and still are) sick and tired of politically correct "rules and norms"..
We wanted someone who had the BALLS to chuck those "rules and norms" out the window and do what's RIGHT for the American people.
And President Trump has delivered.. President Trump will continue to deliver until Jan of 2025...
Any harm that has come to this country due to President Trump winning the election is the SOLE and UNEQUIVOCAL FAULT of the Democrat Party..
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
@Russ,
You thought he would be elected. You are the biggest NO ONE I have ever encountered. These are both FACTS!
The fact that you think BOTH of those are facts PROVES you have NO CLUE what a fact really is..
As such, since you have PROVEN you don't have a clue what a fact really is, there is no sense in asking you for FACTS to support your bullshit claim...
Which is pretty much par for your course.. :D
OK Old business dispensed with.. :D
Let's start today's session of fun and excitement here in Weigantia by pointing out how ya'all seem to be IGNORING the "whistle blower"..
I am guessing that is because ya'all are silenced by the FACT that it's been PROVEN beyond any doubt that the "whistle blower" was nothing but a Democrats plant coached by Schiff-head. It's also been documented that it was Schiff-head who actually wrote the so-called "whistle blower's" complaint..
Given these FACTS, I don't blame ya'all for wanting to ignore it and hope people don't remember that it was this "whistle blower", this Democrat plant, that started this whole thing..
Therefore ANYTHING Democrats do that stem from the fake whistle blower is tainted and inadmissable..
Once again, President Trump has manuevered the Democrats into a LOSE-MAJOR LOSE situation.. :D
Damn, President Trump is good!!! :D
CW,
Getting -- or even asking for -- "anything of value" from a foreigner in the midst of a political campaign is illegal.
I am also constrained to point out that, even IF information was defined as something "of value" (which it's not) the law violated would simply be a campaign law..
And that is NOT an impeachable offense.
So, even if you are factually accurate about President Trump violating the law (which you are not) it's STILL not an impeachable offense..
It doesn't rise to the level of a high crime or a high misdemeanor...
Either way, ya lose..
And remember..
Silence gives assent.. :D
That's what Democrats established at Charlottesville.. :D
CW: House Democrats are soon going to face a stark choice. Either they wait for the court system to slowly grind its way up to the Supreme Court, and then hope that John Roberts values his legacy enough to rule in their favor; or they can just move past judicial delays altogether and draft articles of impeachment sooner rather than later.
Keep in mind, though, that now that we're talking about a formal impeachment, the court system that typically is a "for sure" slow grind tends to operate in a wholly different manner. For instance, during the Nixon impeachment, issues were fast-tracked through the courts. Add to that the fact that there's already the existing precedent in the unanimous decision of the Supreme Court in United States v. Nixon which held:
The Supreme Court acknowledged the existence of the principle of executive privilege while at the same time rejecting Nixon's claim of "absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances" and ordered that Nixon deliver the subpoenaed materials.
Nixon resigned 16 days later, and the rest -- as they say -- is history. :)
CW,
Already, the public has moved astonishingly fast to support at least the impeachment investigation -- the numbers spiked up to a majority immediately after Pelosi announced the impeachment inquiry.
Yea?? Which poll would THAT be??
Even is you actually had some outlier poll, here's the FACT there is no escaping..
When Independents & NPAs are polled, it's 2-1 AGAINST impeachment..
And in the coming election, it's ONLY going to be the Independents and NPAs who matter..
Remember, this only ends ONE WAY..
With President Trump remaining in office....
Trump to send Pelosi a letter 'daring' her to hold impeachment inquiry vote
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-pelosi-impeachment-letter
That's our President Trump..
"BRING IT ON, BITCH!!!"
But Pelosi won't..
She's a coward and she knows she will lose...
The White House will send House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., a letter on Friday "daring" her to hold a vote on Democrats' impeachment inquiry into President Trump, Fox News has confirmed.
The letter will say the White House won't comply with the Democrats' investigation because Pelosi hasn't codified the probe with a formal vote on the House floor. Its tone will be consistent with that of the letter House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., sent to the speaker on Thursday, Fox learned.
President Trump must be reading the news here in Weigantia and is taking my advice..
NO COMPLIANCE WITH ANY HOUSE REQUEST until such time as a REAL impeachment vote is done...
Basically, President Trump is saying EXACTLY what I have been saying all week..
"Take yer subpoenas and shove them up your ass!!"
Gods, President Trump is awesome!!! :D
"Leader McCarthy, we look forward to you soon becoming Speaker of the House. The Do Nothing Dems don’t have a chance!"
-President Trump
Yep...
Look at the facts..
Democrats will have NOTHING to show in November of 2020...
Their entire AGENDA has been discarded and replaced with IMPEACHMENT..
And the ONLY thing that Democrats will have to show is ANOTHER failed coup..
The Democrat agenda is totally wiped out..
I double dog dare ANYONE to challenge that claim..
No one will, because the facts are 1000% on my side.. :D
Biden took a pointed jab at President Trump on Thursday night amid the back-and-forth over the impeachment inquiry, tweeting, "The idea of Donald Trump attacking anyone’s integrity is a joke."
Says the guy who extorted Ukraine to fade the heat from his son and then bragged about it to the world..
:eyeroll:
The New York Times reported this week that the “whistleblower” who set off the latest inquisition provided an “early warning” to Schiff’s committee that he or she was filing a complaint over Donald Trump’s July 25 call to Ukraine’s president. The media is now at pains to stress that whistleblowers do sometimes reach out to Congress, that all “procedures” were followed, and that what really matters is the accusation that Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.
TRUMP TO SEND PELOSI LETTER 'DARING' HER TO HOLD IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY VOTE
Actually, it matters a great deal that Schiff knew about this early and withheld it deliberately from both the public and his House colleagues. He used his advance information to lay the groundwork steadily for later exploitation of the issue. He went so far as to charge the White House with a coverup—of a complaint he already knew about. The timeline of this orchestrated campaign is another knock to the legitimacy of the so-called impeachment inquiry. If the public can’t trust Schiff to be honest about the origins of his information, why should they trust his claim that the information itself is serious?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/schiff-had-chances-to-acknowledge-his-awareness-of-the-coming-complaint-but-kept-mum
This whole thing is an orchestrated coup from day 1...
The FACTS are all there...
Schiff on Sept. 13, a Friday night, issued the explosive news that he had been alerted a few days earlier by the intelligence community’s inspector general of an “urgent” yet unspecified whistleblower complaint. But the complaint is dated Aug. 12, and news reports now say the whistleblower interacted with Schiff’s staff prior to then. So Schiff knew about the topic of the complaint for more than a month—while the public did not. It is now clear why the intelligence chairman in that month suddenly developed an interest in all things Ukrainian, and began aggressively previewing his impeachment mantra.
On Aug. 23, for instance, Schiff tweeted that Mr. Trump tried to “get dirt on a political opponent” via personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s interaction with the office of the Ukrainian president. On Aug. 28, the chairman tweeted his newfound concern that Trump was “withholding vital military aid to Ukraine.” And on Sept. 9, Schiff suddenly announced his committee would launch a full-fledged investigation into whether Trump was trying to “pressure Ukraine to help the President’s re-election campaign.” All this was priming the public and the media for what was to come—the better to take full advantage of the whistleblower “news.”
Yet even after news broke of the complaint, Schiff played dumb. On Sept. 17, he flatly (and falsely) stated on MSNBC: “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower.” Two days later, he thanked the inspector general, Michael Atkinson, without whom “we might not have even known there was a whistleblower complaint.” Really? Schiff wanted to make it sound as if the Trump administration was muzzling the complainant, when in fact the process was working and Mr. Schiff knew all about it.
Schiff-head is up to his eyeballs in this coup attempt..
But like the Russia Collusion delusion coup before it..
This one will also fail..
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
:D
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html
Biden's numbers continue to plummet...
His campaign is floundering...
Obama can't (or won't) step up.. Hunter is in hiding in a non-extradition country..
Biden is on his own...
Bernie???
He is still in the hospital at death's door..
His campaign is over..
Joe Biden is no longer a front-runner
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/joe-biden-is-no-longer-frontrunner
Who could have POSSIBLY predicted this??
Oh... wait.. :D
Between the Ukraine fiasco and Party Purity raising it's ugly head...
Biden never stood a chance..
DSWS... JL... You still think Biden is going to be the nominee?? :D
While the political and media worlds have obsessed about Ukraine and the House effort to impeach President Trump, Joe Biden has been rapidly losing his grip on the Democratic presidential race. In fact, he has already lost it; at least in the national contest, Biden is a front-runner no longer.
Even without the Ukraine scandal, Biden's demise was inevitable..
There was simply NO WAY that Democrats would nominate an old white guy as their champion..
It was never going to be allowed to happen..
Certainly Biden has not been helped by Trump, locked in an impeachment battle with House Democrats, characterizing Biden and son Hunter Biden as corrupt. "Look, Biden and his son are stone-cold crooked," the president said at the White House Wednesday. Even if the public knows virtually nothing about the Bidens' case, it's not good to be called corrupt 24/7.
That could account for a decline in Biden's support in the last week or so. But Biden's numbers have been trending downward for months.
The reasons are not hard to find. First, Biden has run a low-energy, uninspiring campaign, while Warren has made a much better effort. Second, and most important, Biden is too old to be president.
What are the chances that Biden will suddenly become a high-energy, inspiring campaigner? About the same as the chances he will become younger.
There is simply no path to victory for Joe Biden..
His numbers were already tanking before his corruption in Ukraine was exposed.. Party Purity was wrestling for control..
Now, between the Ukraine mess that BOTH Bidens are eyeball deep in and Party Purity re-asserting it's top-spot, there is simply NO WAY that Joe Biden is going to be the nominee...
SIMPLY... NO... WAY....
This week Biden struck back for the first time against Trump's "stone-cold crooked" attacks. "Let me make something clear to Trump and his hatchet men," Biden said. "I'm not going anywhere."
That's what he says now. But look at the polls and then look at Biden's long slide from the front-runner position to a virtual tie with Warren. Biden has enormous hurdles ahead that have absolutely nothing to do with anything Trump says.
Biden faces a HUGE uphill battle..
Frankly, give the facts, there is simply no way Joe can win...
As for President Trump??
Trump Fundraising Haul Shows Impeachment Backfiring on Dems
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/10/03/trump_fundraising_haul_shows_impeachment_backfiring_on_dems_141397.html
This faux impeachment coup is GREAT for President Trump's popularity!! :D
He is bringing in the donations hand over fist..
MUCH more so than Democrats.. :D
By now it's clear that the Democrats have made one of the first great political blunders of the 21st century by trying to impeach the president of the United States based on a half-understood rumor.
If the groundswell of small-dollar donations flowing into the Trump campaign's coffers offers any indication, the Democrats are going to pay a terrible price for indulging the demands of their radical base. The Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign raked in a $13 million haul within 36 hours of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s embarrassingly vague announcement of a “formal impeachment inquiry.”
That’s significantly more than most of the Democrat presidential candidates are able to raise in a whole quarter. It’s more than Robert Francis “Beto” O’Rourke raised in two whole quarters, which many liberals hailed as potentially game-changing at the time.
Get that???
THIRTEEN MILLION DOLLARS in a day and a half, after Pelosi announced the latest coup attempt..
TONS more in a day and a half than Dim candidates have raised all quarter!!!!
And you people HONESTLY believe that Trump is going to lose the election??
Well, a small minority of Weigantians believe that...
It's crazy!!! :D
Remember, this faux impeachment coup only ends ONE WAY...
With President Trump still in office..
Correction of Misinformation
The courts have already thrown out the emoluments claim against President Trump..
There's more than one emoluments claim against President Trump, and the one that was thrown out was reversed on appeal on September 13.
https://thehill.com/regulation/administration/461278-appeals-court-allows-trump-emoluments-case-to-move-forward
The sudden flood of donations to President Trump’s reelection effort provides undeniable evidence that this impeachment gambit represents a massive miscalculation.
The White House has now publicly released both the rogue CIA agent’s “whistleblower complaint” and the transcript of the call -- the one that the “whistleblower” didn’t even hear, yet felt entitled to use as the basis for anonymously accusing the president of the United States of a crime. The allegations contained in the complaint are based entirely on hearsay. And according to the president’s personal attorney, Jay Sekulow, they appear to have been professionally prepared at an outside law firm. If true, that would all but confirm that the complainant’s motivation was political, not patriotic.
The complaint that Democrats are using to plunge the country into an impeachment morass is already coming apart at the seams. Parts of the account have already been proven false — just like CNN’s bogus claim that acting Director of National Intelligence Joe Maguire was threatening to resign. DNI Maguire flatly denied the report, and was on hand to testify to both the House and Senate intelligence committees last week to nip the “coverup” conspiracy theories in the bud.
The fact that the speaker of the House didn’t even wait for the transcript to be released before declaring her intent to impeach is a clear indication that the whole exercise is a sham.
These are the FACTS people.. This is the REALITY..
And, since this is a reality based forum, I find it surprising that ya'all simply DENY reality.
This IS still a reality based forum, right??
Yep..
"REALITY BASED POLITICAL COMMENTARY"
Had to scroll up and check..
I think, until Jan of 2025, the header is going to have to be changed..
HHPTDS BASED POLITICAL COMMENTARY" :D heh
Because, apparently, no one can dispute the facts of what a big mistake this was for Democrats..
Complete Bullshit
As far as making money in the Presidency... You didn't seem to mind when Obama made TENS OF MILLIONS off his presidency??
How come??
Facts to support? There are none. You just make shit up and let it fly.
Ahhh, that's right.. Because Obama has a -D after his name, so it's perfectly acceptable..
The Democrats desperately need a distraction from their party’s alarming lurch toward radicalism. The first few rounds of Democrat presidential primary debates have been unmitigated disasters. Their leading candidates are openly advocating for policies — such as free health care for illegal aliens, fracking bans, and multitrillion-dollar government takeovers of the economy — that are so far outside mainstream opinion that they’re guaranteed to drive voters away from the eventual nominee in the general election.
Pelosi, who has been under constant pressure from the far-left wing of her caucus to start impeachment proceedings on virtually any pretext, needed to do something to mollify the radicals.
That may have bought the speaker a short-term reprieve, but the long-term political ramifications will come back to haunt her. The Democrat base that has been clamoring for impeachment since Inauguration Day was always going to vote for the Democrat candidate in 2020, no matter who it is.
Republicans and independent voters, on the other hand, are reacting to the impeachment announcement by showing their support for the president in the only way they can for the time being: by going online and making a contribution.
If this week’s GOP fundraising haul is any indication, Pelosi didn’t just drive another nail into the coffin awaiting the Democrats’ nominee next year, she may also be looking at serious losses in the swing House districts that handed her the speaker’s gavel in 2018. The moderate Democrats in those seats are already being put on the spot by the impeachment push. Their Republican challengers are poised to hold them accountable back in their home districts, hoping to ensure that those freshman legislators find themselves out of office next year.
Once again, the FACTS are clear.. The REALITY is clear..
This only ends ONE WAY..
With President Trump still in office..
Posted Before Finished -- EDIT
Complete Bullshit
As far as making money in the Presidency... You didn't seem to mind when Obama made TENS OF MILLIONS off his presidency??
How come??
Facts to support? There are none. You just make shit up and let it fly.
Ahhh, that's right.. Because Obama has a -D after his name, so it's perfectly acceptable..
Your standard argument of ideology simply indicates you have nothing in the tank with the exception of your invented spew.
The true toll of the Democrats’ decision to proceed with this Ukraine farce, of course, is the damage it is already inflicting on our government institutions. The American people won’t look kindly on their politicization of a process that exists as a last resort in a genuine crisis — which this clearly is not.
We know that this charade won’t result in Donald Trump leaving office, but it may well result in many Democrats leaving theirs.
ZIIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGG And Parscale brings it home!!! :D
Democrats are going to lose EVERYTHING because of this faux impeachment coup..
The will lose the House.. They won't win the White House.. And the Senate will be a filibuster-proof majority for the GOP...
No wonder President Trump wanted this faux impeachment coup..
He knows he is going to be considerably stronger after Nov 2020 and will have filibuster proof majorities in Congress.. :D
Not ta mention as 6-3 or even 7-2 majority in the SCOTUS...
It's gonna be a GREAT time to be an American.. even MORE so than today.. :D
Since I am on a roll.. :D
A Weak Whistleblower, a Ridiculous Impeachment
This isn't about the law; it's about circumventing another vote by the deplorables in 2020.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-weak-whistleblower-a-ridiculous-impeachment/
This is simply a coup... Pure and simple..
There are ZERO FACTS to support impeachment..
ZERO.. NONE... NADA... ZIP... ZILCH.. NOTHING...
And it only ends ONE WAY..
With President Trump still in office...
Disregard all the dramatic accusations in and around the whistleblower’s complaint; they’re just guff. This entire impeachment brouhaha hinges on Donald Trump’s own words in the transcript of his call with the Ukrainian president. Is he demanding foreign interference in the 2020 election? Or is he asking an ally to run down unethical actions by a man who might become president (here’s a 2018 letter from the Dems asking Ukraine to help them investigate Trump to compare it to)? Or is it mostly just Trump running his mouth off in a rambling, often disconnected, stream-of-consciousness phone call that means very little?
If you read Trump’s words as impeachable, you are asking to impeach on something that was talked about but never happened. Ukraine never handed over dirt on Biden. Trump never even asked Attorney General Bob Barr to contact Ukraine. Rudy Giuliani may or may not have had meetings with someone but no one is claiming that anything of substance happened in them. There is no evidence military aid was withheld in return for anything. If nothing happened, then nothing happened. You need a body on the ground for a smoking gun to matter.
Democrats don't have a SINGLE SOLITARY FACT to hang this impeachment on..
Ergo, it's NOT impeachment, it's a coup...
And Democrats better hope that they DON'T succeed in taking this any farther.. Because, if they do..
Patriotic Americans will take to the streets..
And 98% of them are well-trained and well-armed..
Meanwhile, the Department of Justice had already adjudicated the whistleblower complaint before the thing was leaked to the Washington Post. The original complaint was passed from the Intelligence Community Inspector General to the DOJ, which determined there was no crime and closed the case. Officials found that the transcript did not show that Trump had violated campaign finance laws by soliciting a thing of value, such as the investigation, from a foreign national. Even as Democrats bleat about how corrupt the DOJ is, at some point during any impeachment, they will need to make clear what evidence they have that finds crime where DOJ did not. No one is above the law, sure, but which law exactly are we talking about here?
Trump is apparently no better at cover-ups than he is at extortion. He got no dirt on Biden even as Ukraine pocketed its aid money (Ukraine, in fact, knew nothing about the aid being frozen while Trump supposedly was shaking them down), and his so-called cover-up concluded with him releasing in unprecedented fashion both the complaint and the transcript. For a cover-up to even begin, you have to have something to cover, and a phone call that led nowhere doesn’t need to be covered up. In fact, it’s on the internet right now.
It's LAUGHABLE that Democrats would accuse President Trump of a cover-up..
President Trump has PUBLICLY released all the relevant facts.
Democrats are hiding the "whistle blower" because it's been discovered and documented that the bullshit "whistle blower" is nothing but a Democrat plant who was coached and given the completed complaint by Schiff-head..
So, if there is a cover-up to be found, the FACTS clearly prove that it's the Democrats who are covering things up..
And, when all is said and done.. This ONLY ends ONE way...
With President Trump still in office..
But the complaint says that the transcript was moved from one secure computer server inside the White House to an even more secure server. That’s a cover-up! Not discussed is that Congress had no more access to the first server than the second. Exactly who was blocked from seeing the transcript when it was on the more secure system who would have had access to it otherwise? It seems the main person who suddenly couldn’t grab the transcript was the whistleblower. To make all this work, Democrats either have to argue for less cybersecurity or impeach for over-classification. And of course, the Obama administration also stored records of select presidential phone calls on the exact same server.
Oh, but of course, if OBAMA did it, it's perfectly acceptable..
When Trump does the exact same thing, all of the sudden, it's impeachable..
I really wish ya'all could take a step back and see how completely and utterly RIDICULOUS ya'all (NEN) look spewing this load of garbage..
Ya'all don't seem to realize, even though it's the OFFICIAL WEIGANTIAN POLICY...
This virtually only ends ONE WAY..
With President Trump still in office..
Bottom line: Trump asked the Ukrainian president to take calls from Bill Barr and Rudy Giuliani to talk about corruption, a bilateral issue since the Obama administration with or without Hunter Biden. There was no quid pro quo. Maybe a good scolding is deserved, but sloppy statesmanship is not high crimes and misdemeanors.
To Dumbocrats, President Trump farting in public is an impeachable offense..
Once again.. Take step back.. Look how UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS ya'all (NEN) look...
It's mind-boggling...
Something else is wrong. The whistleblower is a member of the intel community (the New York Times says CIA), but the text does not read the way government people write. It sounds instead like an op-ed, a mediocre journalist “connecting the dots,” a Maddow exclusive combining anonymous sources with dramatic conclusions. Sure, maybe the whistleblower had help writing it, but that’s not the point. The point is that the complaint was written for the media. It was written to be leaked. It wasn’t even about an intelligence matter. Maybe that’s why the DOJ quickly rejected its accusations, and why both the Times and the Huffington Post praised the writing, commenting on how much clearer the complaint was than Mueller’s legalese.
And that’s a problem. A whistleblower complaint is meant to point out violations of law in the language of prosecutors. It is legalese. A complaint requires data and references. The evidence I needed to explain waste in Iraq’s reconstruction ended up at over 230 published pages. Daniel Ellsberg’s Pentagon Papers originally ran into multiple volumes to prove that the government lied about Vietnam. Ed Snowden needed terabytes of data to demonstrate NSA illegality.
Exactly.. Schiff-head wrote the "whistle blower's" complaint in standard "leak" format for the media...
The facts are clear.. At least they are to the people who are NOT consumed by HHPTDS...
If the whistleblower really is an analyst, he is not a very good one. He mixes second-hand sources with public ones to mimic a weary Dem narrative of foreign election help much like the Steele Dossier. The complainant witnessed nothing himself and produced no primary documents. The sourcing is as vague as “more than half a dozen officials have informed me of various facts.” No law is cited because none applied; the whistleblower simply recorded his interpretation into bullet points, like the punchlines from Russiagate no one laughed at.
The whistleblower’s expected testimony will be played as high drama but actually it is meaningless; he has an opinion but his accusations were made without hearing the call or reading the transcript. At least he’s in good company: Nancy Pelosi also declared her support for impeachment before she’d heard the call or seen the transcript.
Here’s where things stand. After three years of trying to keep Trump from assuming office, then cycling through ways to throw him out, this plops onto the field. If an impeachment vote comes, it will literally be with Trump having only a few months left in his term. This is no longer about overturning 2016; it is about circumventing 2020, fear by the Democrats of what will happen if they let the deplorables vote again. Is the Dem slate that weak? They are acting as if they have nothing to lose by trying impeachment.
We already have Democrats ON THE RECORD stating that if they don't try this faux impeachment coup, that President Trump will win re-election..
What more do you people need before you realize how wrong ya'all are??
Do FACTS not mean ANYTHING to ya'all anymore???
Because, the FACT is, this only ends ONE WAY...
With President Trump still in office..
Looks like Weigantian peons can't keep up with the Alpha Dog!!!
BBBBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Would that there could be someone here who can be true to the FACTS and can keep up with me..
Looks like no one here can do either!! :D
"You know I'm still standing better than I ever did"
-Elton John, I'M STILL STANDING
:D
Pity Nancy Pelosi, who tried to hold back her colleagues. Now instead of answering the needs of constituents, Democrats will instead exploit their majority in the House to hold hearings that will likely lead to a show vote that would have embarrassed Stalin. History will remember Pelosi as the mom who, after putting up with the kids’ tantrums for hours, finally gave in only a few blocks from home. She’ll regret spoiling dinner over a hefty glass of white wine, but what could she do: they just wouldn’t shut up and her nerves were shot. Have you had to listen to AOC complain from the back seat for two hours in traffic?
The last thing Joe Biden needed was more baggage. It’ll take awhile for him to realize it, but he’s done, doomed by kompromat never actually found. Impeachment will so dominate the media that no one will listen to whatever the other primary Dems have to say. Kamala Harris in the midst of all this was so desperate for attention she was still trying to drum up support for impeaching Brett Kavanaugh. Elizabeth Warren will emerge as the nominee. Goodbye then to all the minor Dems, see you in 2024, perhaps running against Mike Pence after Trump’s second term.
Another fact no one here can argue..
Democrats have TOTALLY and COMPLETELY discarded their agenda..
Democrats have NOTHING but this faux impeachment coup...
Democrats will have NOTHING to run on after this faux impeachment coup is exposed and reduced to the ashes from whence it came...
This is how the Democrat nominee will sound during the General Election:
"I would like to list all the accomplishments that Democrats have accomplished in 2020....."
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"We lost ANOTHER coup!!!!"
That's it..
There is simply NO WAY that Democrats can accomplish ANYTHING post faux impeachment coup..
WHY?? you ask??
I am glad you asked..
Because Democrats have already poisoned the well..
Do ANY of ya'all HONESTLY believe that, after this current faux impeachment coup fails, do you HONESTLY believe that Democrats are going to step up and say, "Oh, we were just kidding.. President Trump is a great guy.. We're gonna work with him and pass this, this, this thing and that and that and that over there!!"
Do ya'all HONESTLY believe that THAT is how it's going to go down?? REALLY!!????
If ya do, I have some nice swampland down here I want to sell you..
CW's prediction that President Trump is going to be wounded enough to make the 2020 election a contest is totally off the mark and doesn't take into account ANY facts or reality...
This faux impeachment coup only ends ONE WAY..
With President Trump still in office and very likely even STRONGER than he was before the faux impeachment coup...
The case is weak, though with their House majority, that might not stop the Dems from impeaching a president just months ahead of an election based on a partisan interpretation of a few words to a minor world leader. Impeachment didn’t even come up in the last Democratic debate, yet heading into the early caucuses, the faces of the party will be Adam Schiff and the agita-driven Hillary. Democrats are taking that road instead of talking about jobs, health care, immigration, or any of the other issues voters do care about.
And THAT is why Demcorats will lose and lose BIG in 2020..
Because they are only talking about their hate and bigotry against President Trump and Trump voters..
Democrats are going to be DECIMATED in 2020 because they have NOTHING else to run on...
Because this only ends ONE WAY!!!
President Trump is still in office..
OK.. Time for my morning chores.
I'll give all of ya time to catch up.. :D
OK, let's get started..
Pelosi Has Luxury Of Setting Impeachment Timetable
Why yes.. Yes she does..
Just as President Trump has the luxury of pointing out the FACT that Pelosi is ONLY dragging her feet because she has NO FACTS to support the faux impeachment...
You said so yerself, CW.. This was going to be a speed impeachment..
Apparently, you were wrong.. It's a turtle impeachment...
Trump raised Biden with Xi in June call housed in highly secure server
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-secure-server/index.html
OH MY GODS!!!!
President Trump talked about an American to a foreign power!!!
Ya'all's HEADS must be exploding!!!!
BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You people crack me up.
Yer messiah, Odumbo, prostrated himself to Vlad Putin's surrogate and promised Vlad fealty if Vlad just gave Odumbo "space"...
And you people didn't bat an eye..
Now President Trump asks about the crimes an American or Americans committed and ya'all go apeshit crazy!!!
You see why it's IMPOSSIBLE to take anything ya'all say seriously??
Because it's factually obvious that ALL of ya'all's rantings are based on NOTHING but hysterical hate and HHPTDS...
This ONLY ends ONE WAY, people..
President Trump is still in office..
The majority of Weigantians agree on THAT fact...
Why President Trump Is Likely to Win the Rust Belt in 2020
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/10/why_president_trump_is_likely_to_win_the_rust_belt_in_2020.html#ixzz61O6d86yY
It's perfectly clear why President Trump is going to win the Rust Belt..
Because Democrats want to get rid of Cadillac HealthCare plans and unions won't want to give them up..
Ergo, Union Democrats will simply stay home or actually vote for Trump..
Even as Democrats failed Americans living in the inner-city areas, politicians from both parties failed the people in these rural towns, viewing them as collateral damage in their globalization crusade.
Candidate and then president Donald Trump spoke to the problem ravaging small towns across America, particularly in the rust belt. Instead of telling these Americans that they needed to accept their sad lot in life, he fought for them as he sought to bring industry back. He is having some real success. Even this week, the president was able to point to Navistar, Apple, Hyundai Motor Group, and Aptiv as having plans to bring jobs back to America. He joked that he was the chosen one, but the truth is that he was likely the only politician who understood the economic piracy enough to face down China.
This is why President Trump won in 2016...
And this is why President Trump will be re-elected in 2020...
It's really simple...
President Trump can show REAL economic and international progress..
Democrats can only show they attempted 2 coups and ignored the American people.
If the corrupt tornado in the blue pantsuit had deemed to touch down in these Michigan towns in 2016, she would have seen how foolish her message was here. The residents of these towns are not irredeemable deplorables, but patriotic Americans who had been hammered by globalization, even as the political and cultural elites got rich.
Ironically, for all that he is called corrupt and the establishment tries to remove him, Trump may be the single least corrupt politician we have had at the helm in a long time as he fights for Americans instead of selling out their futures to foreign powers.
The president said, "If you want freedom, hold on to your sovereignty, and if you want peace, love your nation. The future does not belong to globalists. The future belongs to patriots[.] ... Globalism exerted a religious pull over past leaders, causing them to ignore their own national interests. Those days are over."
That's a message that will resonate in these areas, bolstered by the fact that the president is fully committed to it. That's a message the Democrats don't want America to hear.
Yep, exactly...
Democrats have NO MESSAGE other than to sell our sovereignty to foreign investors..
Before they can screw over Americans and this country, Democrats have to depose President Trump..
Hence, the coups...
Democrats will ALWAYS fail because of the promise of America is BIGGER than the empty hollow promises of the Democrat Party...
Again, it's really THAT simple..
Harris, get off your lazy ass and run a small money campaign in Jersey.
None of the Americans in these communities is being offered $50,000 a month to cash in on his parents' influence. About the only thing some of them have in common with Hunter Biden is the challenge of overcoming drug addiction.
It's within this context that the routine influence-peddling that people like Joe Biden do without a second thought is so reprehensible. Biden provided favorable policies toward countries like China that benefited the Chinese, who rewarded his son and other supporters, while Americans in places like these towns in Michigan and Ohio paid the price. It's not rocket science. It's simple influence-peddling, and it is corrupt.
While driving through these towns, I was reminded of the district set-up in The Hunger Games. While elites in places like Washington, D.C., New York and Los Angeles grow rich off globalism, these other communities struggle for their existence. Globalism is a modern-day version of Marie Antoinette's "Let them eat cake."
Democrats are elitists and have lost touch with what it means to be an American..
That is why they lost in 2016...
That is why they will lose in 2020...
It's hard to imagine that swanky Elizabeth Warren, with her false American Indian heritage and socialist war chants, will do any better in these areas. The idea of telling these Americans to check their privilege is so ludicrous that perhaps Warren should follow Tornado's example and stay out of these states. She has promised to adopt policies on her first day in office that will devastate these communities in the interest of her false global climate jihad.
No doubt, she will try to run up the score in university towns and inner cities, but it is hard to imagine her message resonating and driving turnout in the urban areas.
President Trump's message putting Americans first was long overdue. It is a simple concept, but it is well on its way to realigning the Republican Party. American politicians should fight for all Americans and not for citizens of other nations. It is so simple that it is hard to imagine that every politician does not seek to do it. They should, but they don't. It took Trump to bring this message back to America, and the globalists from both parties despise him for it.
And there it is, in a nutshell..
Democrats are ALL about putting foreigners and illegal immigrant criminals before Americans..
And THAT is why Democrats will lose all up and down the board in Nov of 2020...
As I drove through these Michigan towns, I also considered the wretched Democrat media-Congress establishment, represented in the smug visage of Adam Schiff, and its singular focus on overturning an election and nullifying the votes of the people living here.
The problem for the Democrats is that Trump has a simple but effective message they cannot counter. Their bumper sticker would read, "He's for you, but we're for someone else, so vote for us." That's a tough sell, even when falsely accusing the other guy of being a white supremacist.
So they fall back on "impeach, impeach, impeach." If the Republicans stand together, the coordinated Democrat, media, and Intelligence Community attack will fail. What the Democrats will be left with is the candidate worst positioned to actually win back the states that cost Democrats in 2016. At that point, history will be on track to repeat.
BINGO!!!!
"Don't tell me that thing's laser is still armed!!"
"Bimbo."
-SHORT CIRCUIT
Democrats HAVE NO MESSAGE that anyone but Democrats want to hear..
And now that Democrats have totally forsaken their ENTIRE AGENDA except for this faux impeachment....
President Trump will coast easy to a landslide re-election.. :D
If there is a flaw in the logic, I DARE someone to point it out..
:D
Joe Biden: Mediocrity Personified
https://tinyurl.com/y5nkb2tb
Joe Biden was never going to win the Democrat Primary..
It's perfectly clear to anyone NOT loyal to a Political Party that the Democrats were NEVER going to nominate an old white guy to be their champion...
If there is a flaw in the logic, I DARE someone to point it out..
:D
No one?? OK Moving on.. :D
Instead of advancing trade deal, Congress focuses on partisan impeachment process
Supporting the trade deal with Mexico and Canada
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/3/instead-of-advancing-trade-deal-congress-focuses-o/
As I said.. The Democrat Party has only ONE agenda right now.
The faux impeachment coup...
And the ONLY thing Democrats are going to have to show for it, when all is said and done....
Is President Trump still in office and stronger than ever before... :D
You heard it here first.. :D
Robert De Niro Sued By Former Employee Over Gender Discrimination and Harassment
The lawsuit says the actor "does not accept the idea that men should treat women as equals."
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/arts-entertainment/robert-de-niro-sued-by-former-employee-over-gender-discrimination-and-harassment
Ahhhh, the quintessential DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO Party... :eyeroll:
CrowdStrike and the Impeachment Frenzy
No wonder the Dems are nervous: The alleged Russian hacking of the DNC’s computers is proving to be a Hillary campaign and DNC scam that went unchallenged by Messrs. Comey and Mueller.
There are many reasons that Democrats went off the deep-end and pushed this faux impeachment coup...
Not the least of which IG Horowitz' report that has been released to members of Congress and will likely grace the public photons any day now..
Then we'll ALL find out the depths that Obama, Biden and their minions sunk to to prevent President Trump from taking office..
Even Democrats' faux impeachment coup will be put on the back burner in favor of Horowitz' revelations.. :D
Oops..
Forgot the link..
Don't want Blathy to vapor-lock.. :D
https://spectator.org/crowdstrike-and-the-impeachment-frenzy/
RECORD 158,269,000 WORKING
UNEMPLOYMENT 50-YEAR LOW
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/158269000-record-number-employed-lowest-unemployment-rate-1969
And, as usual, President Trump's economy is KICKING ASS!!!!
"Kick names!! Take ass!!"
Mantis, AVENGERS INFINITY WAR
:D
"Donald Trump doesn't have a magic wand that he can wave and all those jobs come back.. Those jobs are NEVER coming back!!!
-Barack Hussein Obama
"Abracadabra, bitch!!"
-President Donald Trump
:D
Rick Perry is fleeing the Trump Black Hole
...With apologies to Irving Berlin, Fred Astair and Tony Bennett:
Steppin' out says Rick Perry
Somethin's wrong, exit right
It's for sure, not for maybe
That he's all stressed out tonight
Steppin' out with his money
Gonna leave the neighborhood
Hop to Texas, like a bunny
Cross his fingers, knock on wood
Ukraine top prosecutor says Biden-linked Burisma case will be reviewed
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-top-prosecutor-says-hunter-biden-burisma-cases-will-be-reviewed
So much for ya'all's claim that there is NOTHING to the Hunter Biden charges.. :D
Rick Perry is fleeing the Trump Black Hole
Yea???
Facts to support?
None?? Of course not.. :eyeroll:
Aside to Blathy.. Funny how you demand LINKS from the guy who is ALWAYS factual..
And ignore the bullshit spewings of those who spew what you agree with..
That's why you have no credibility.. :D
Even though Democrats have forsaken ANY agenda, save the faux impeachment coup....
'Get rid of the babies!': Distraught woman at AOC town hall urges 'eating babies' to fight climate change
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/get-rid-of-the-babies-distraught-woman-at-aoc-town-hall-urges-eating-babies-to-fight-climate-change
There are still sicko Democrats toeing the Party line...
The one thing better than Hunter Biden going to jail....
Schiff’s Shifty Timeline
What did the House Intel Committee chairman know and when did he know it?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/schiffs-shifty-timeline-11570143046?shareToken=st721dbb79d6c84a9bab0952ed981f3e18
Is Schiff-head going to jail. :D
When the latest impeachment push continues to backfire, Democrats can thank their duplicitous House Intelligence chairman, Adam Schiff.
The New York Times reported this week that the “whistleblower” who set off the latest inquisition provided an “early warning” to Mr. Schiff’s committee that he or she was filing a complaint over Donald Trump’s July 25 call to Ukraine’s president. The media is now at pains to stress that whistleblowers do sometimes reach out to Congress, that all “procedures” were followed, and that what really matters is the accusation that Mr. Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.
Actually, it matters a great deal that Mr. Schiff knew about this early and withheld it deliberately from both the public and his House colleagues. He used his advance information to lay the groundwork steadily for later exploitation of the issue. He went so far as to charge the White House with a coverup—of a complaint he already knew about. The timeline of this orchestrated campaign is another knock to the legitimacy of the so-called impeachment inquiry. If the public can’t trust Mr. Schiff to be honest about the origins of his information, why should they trust his claim that the information itself is serious?
The whistle blower??? She's a Democrat plant who received coaching and the filled out complaint from Schiff-head..
The facts that prove this are undeniable...
He went so far as to charge the White House with a coverup—of a complaint he already knew about.
Schiff-head's head is going to be on a platter...
DH-76
Let me make it clearer. Run for a political office, any office, in NJ, adhering to your small money pledge.
Proof of concept. As an engineer would say, at some point you have leave the drawing table and bend metal.
Mr. Schiff on Sept. 13, a Friday night, issued the explosive news that he had been alerted a few days earlier by the intelligence community’s inspector general of an “urgent” yet unspecified whistleblower complaint. But the complaint is dated Aug. 12, and news reports now say the whistleblower interacted with Mr. Schiff’s staff prior to then. So Mr. Schiff knew about the topic of the complaint for more than a month—while the public did not. It is now clear why the intelligence chairman in that month suddenly developed an interest in all things Ukrainian, and began aggressively previewing his impeachment mantra.
Schiff-head sat on this "urgent" complaint for OVER A MONTH..
Obviously the complaint wasn't THAT urgent, eh???
:eyeroll: moron...
Once again, THE FACTS that no one here can rebut...
"DOMINATION!!!!"
-Mortal Kombat
:D
Let me make it clearer. Run for a political office, any office, in NJ, adhering to your small money pledge.
How about you start adhering to FACTS instead of spewing bullshit all over the place???
On Aug. 23, for instance, Mr. Schiff tweeted that Mr. Trump tried to “get dirt on a political opponent” via personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani’s interaction with the office of the Ukrainian president. On Aug. 28, the chairman tweeted his newfound concern that Mr. Trump was “withholding vital military aid to Ukraine.” And on Sept. 9, Mr. Schiff suddenly announced his committee would launch a full-fledged investigation into whether Mr. Trump was trying to “pressure Ukraine to help the President’s re-election campaign.” All this was priming the public and the media for what was to come—the better to take full advantage of the whistleblower “news.”
Yet even after news broke of the complaint, Mr. Schiff played dumb. On Sept. 17, he flatly (and falsely) stated on MSNBC: “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower.” Two days later, he thanked the inspector general, Michael Atkinson, without whom “we might not have even known there was a whistleblower complaint.” Really? Mr. Schiff wanted to make it sound as if the Trump administration was muzzling the complainant, when in fact the process was working and Mr. Schiff knew all about it.
The chairman also actively kept his information secret from Republicans on his committee. GOP members confirm that Mr. Schiff had multiple opportunities to acknowledge his awareness of the coming complaint, but kept mum about his side’s early involvement. That included even during the committee’s closed-door Sept. 19 briefing with Mr. Atkinson.
The jury is still out on the question of Schiff-head PLAYING dumb, of if he really was that stoopid.... :D
This is a textbook example of Schiff-Head's GARBAGE IN, GARBAGE OUT mentality...
But, it DOES answer one question..
We know know why Democrats are hiding the Democrat plant AKA "Whistle Blower".. Any questioning of the Whistle Blower will no doubt CONFIRM that this was a scam all along..
A without the "whistle blower" every bit of evidence found from the Democrat plant is tainted and inadmissible..
This is going to end VERY VERY badly for the Democrat Party..
Conversely, it's going to end VERY VERY VERY good for President Trump and this country.. :D
The whistleblower’s early communication with the committee also bears on the complaint’s credibility. The Times story explains that the whistleblowing Central Intelligence Agency officer initially alerted the CIA’s top lawyer to concerns. Yet before even waiting for this procedure to play out, the officer went to Mr. Schiff’s staff. This act has to be measured in light of Mr. Atkinson’s acknowledgment that the source demonstrated an “arguable political bias . . . in favor of a rival candidate.” It has become urgent that Republicans demand more information about the whistleblower’s history and motivations—questions that are central to any whistleblower complaint, but particularly one being used as a basis for impeachment.
Prediction time.. I predict that, once we discover the identity of the Democrat plant, she will have worked on Hillary's campaign in some function...
If all this has a somewhat familiar feel of subterfuge and ambush, it should. The episode is redolent of the sneak attack on Brett Kavanaugh. An unknown person levels nasty allegations; a Democratic lawmaker (in that case, Sen. Dianne Feinstein) conceals the claim before springing it at an opportune moment; the media jumps on board to distort and inflame the story. Lost in the carnage are little things like fairness, standards and due process.
Yep.. This is simply a redux of the Kavanaugh strategy..
Rather stoopid of the Dumbocrats to think that what was totally blown out of the water on Kavanaugh would somehow work on President Trump...
What is it?? Something about doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result??
:eyeroll:
If all this has a somewhat familiar feel of subterfuge and ambush, it should. The episode is redolent of the sneak attack on Brett Kavanaugh. An unknown person levels nasty allegations; a Democratic lawmaker (in that case, Sen. Dianne Feinstein) conceals the claim before springing it at an opportune moment; the media jumps on board to distort and inflame the story. Lost in the carnage are little things like fairness, standards and due process.
Mr. Schiff’s staff is suggesting its interaction with the whistleblower was limited. Maybe, but given Mr. Schiff’s recent deceptions, it’s reasonable to ask more questions about how involved his committee was with the creation of this complaint. The Democratic claim that Mr. Trump’s Ukraine call rose to the level of impeachment was always absurd. But Americans have even more reason to doubt the legitimacy of this push in light of Mr. Schiff’s scheming exploitation of the whistleblower charge.
Absolutely.. The Dims complaint that the Ukraine phone call rose to the level of an impeachable offense is completely and utterly ludicrous...
Made MORE so by the FACT that the complainant and Schiff-head had a prior relationship.
There is simply NO WAY this ends good for the Democrat Party....
And THAT is good for this country...
Biden Raises Middling $15.2 Million in 3rd Quarter for 2020 Bid
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/10/04/biden_raises_middling_152_million_in_3rd_quarter_for_2020_bid_141421.html
HA!!! President Trump raised slightly less... SLIGHTLY than that in a day and a half!!! :D
President Donald Trump and the Republican National Committee, meanwhile, have a huge cash advantage. They announced Tuesday that they collectively raised $125 million for Trump’s reelection.
That has heightened Democratic anxiety that a protracted primary could hurt the party’s chances of quickly picking a nominee and rallying the cash needed to fight Trump.
By the time Democrats pick Warren as their champion, they are gonna be BROKE!!!! :D
Ya gotta love it, eh!?? :D
Let's take a sample of Republican comments on President Trump's impeachment
"I think it would have been wrong for Richard Nixon to have been removed from office based upon a purely partisan vote. Not a single president should be removed from office just because one party has a majority in either house of the Congress … It is required by the US Constitution that we give President Trump the benefit of every doubt on the facts …"
"To expel a president is to cut the head off another branch and to undermine the freedom vital for the branch to satisfy its Constitutional duties … To remove a duly elected president conflicts with democratic standards in a manner that has no established parallel"
Given the essentially anti-democratic nature of impeachment and the great dangers inherent in the too-ready exercise of that power, impeachment has no place in our system of constitutional democracy except as an extreme measure – reserved for breaches of the public trust by a president who so violates his official duties, misuses his official powers or places our system of government at such risk that our constitutional government is put in immediate danger by his continuing to serve out the term to which the people of the United States elected him …
“It is clear from the debates and from the commentaries on the Constitutional Convention that the Framers were concerned that anything less than bipartisanship could, and would, do great damage to our form of government. They knew that to contemplate an action as profound as undoing a popular election requires at a minimum that members of both parties find that the alleged wrong is grave enough to overturn the will of the majority of the American people.
“Look back at the Nixon impeachment. It took on legitimacy when a core of Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee were moved by the nature of President Nixon’s offenses to break party ranks and vote for articles of impeachment … There was bipartisan consensus that what Nixon did was impeachable …
“The Constitution provides that ‘the Senate shall have sole power to try all impeachments.’ Some consider this provision to impose a duty upon the Senate to try or adjudicate all impeachments. Even if the Constitution imposes such a duty, the Senate has not understood this duty to adjudicate as necessarily requiring a formal trial. There is precedent for the Senate considering dispositive motions that would allow the Senate to render a judgment without holding a trial.”
“Benjamin Franklin called impeachment, ‘a substitute for assassination’ …
Oh wait... My mistake...
Those were all quotes made during the Clinton impeachment by then Senator Joe Biden...
It's easy to see how someone could mistake those for GOP statements in the here and now.. :D
“There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. And will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions … We have no right to overturn the considered judgment of the American people"
-Senator Joe Biden
What a difference the -D/-R makes, eh?? :D
Oh ACK!!!
My mistake again!!
“There must never be a narrowly voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other. Such an impeachment would lack legitimacy, would produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. And will call into question the very legitimacy of our political institutions … We have no right to overturn the considered judgment of the American people"
and
“Benjamin Franklin called impeachment, ‘a substitute for assassination’ …
Those were quotes by Jerrold Nadler...
Very interesting quote from Nancy Pelosi
“We are here today because the Republicans in the House are paralyzed with hatred of President Clinton. And until the Republicans free themselves of this hatred, our country will suffer.”
Change "Clinton" to Trump and change "Republicans" to Democrats and the quote is STILL dead on ballz accurate.. :D
"The president’s accusers must go beyond hearsay and innuendo and beyond demands that the president prove his innocence of vague and changing charges. They must provide clear and convincing evidence of specific impeachable conduct."
-Jerrold Nadler
Again, it's amazing how much the -D or the -R is relevant to these people and their quotes.. :D
@don,
You already have a building permit. It's called the first amendment.
@m,
Text conversations by Ukrainians and u.s. officials prove that all involved believed Donald was demanding political help for military funding.
“It is time to move forward … the world economy is in crisis and cries out for American leadership … the American people cry out for us to solve the problems facing America like health care, education and ensuring that seniors have a decent retirement.”
-Chuck Schumer
Dunno if Democrats can survive this extreme 180 degree whiplash.. :D
“Democracy is threatened when a fair legal process is sacrificed to appease the passions of a few … The power to impeach a president should not be casually used to remove a president, overturn an election, simply because we don’t like him or his policies.”
-Mad Maxine Waters
Oh the irony is simply DRIPPING with hypocrisy!!
:D
OOoooo Now how is THIS one for irony!!! :D
“Mr. Speaker, we should be standing here debating the future of Social Security. We should be standing here debating health care. We should be standing here debating education for our children and how we can protect the environment.
Instead, we are participating in a political charade. Republicans want to do what they could not do in an election – defeat Bill Clinton. Well, I have news for you. The American people are watching. Beware the wrath of the American people, Mr. Speaker, beware.”
-Rep John Lewis..
Yes... Beware INDEED, Madam Speaker.. :D
There are many MANY other quotes as well, but I think I have proven it beyond ANY doubt that the **ONLY** issues at work here are -D vs -R issues..
Nothing else is relevant..
Ok.. Gonna let ya'all catch up... :D
Whether or not it's legal is a matter for constitutional scholars. But the facts of the case, that Donald held up military funds and that the Ukrainian president was led to believe those funds were conditional upon prosecuting hunter biden, are undisputed.
Text conversations by Ukrainians and u.s. officials prove that all involved believed Donald was demanding political help for military funding.
Yea???
Which conversations were those??
Because the FACTS clearly show that Ukraine didn't KNOW about the pentagon arms delay at the time of the phone call...
Even if you COULD make a case of quid pro quo (which you can't) it's MUCH MORE benign than the extortion and the QPQ that Biden bragged about doing to Ukraine during the Obama years..
And it CERTAINLY does not rise to the level of an impeachable offense..
But hay.. I'll be HAPPY to peruse your facts..
Got any?? :D
Democrats cry wolf on Trump-Ukraine
If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. That is the motto of congressional Democrats when it comes to getting President Donald Trump.
They want to make him a one-term president — and if they can find a way to force him out of office before the 2020 election, all the better.
Impeaching Trump has been the Democrats’ monomania ever since they took control of the House of Representatives following the 2018 midterms. They thought they could get Trump on Russian collusion, and they also eyed an opportunity to impeach Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh just for good measure.
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463957-democrats-cry-wolf-on-trump-ukraine
And, as usual, Democrats were ALWAYS wrong... ALWAYS..
Yes.
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/767080125/texts-show-top-u-s-diplomat-in-ukraine-concerned-over-possible-quid-pro-quo
But the facts of the case, that Donald held up military funds and that the Ukrainian president was led to believe those funds were conditional upon prosecuting hunter biden, are undisputed.
The hell they are!! :D
It was the pentagon who help up the arms shipment, not President Trump...
"The Pentagon was concerned about the package going to a new administration we didn’t know anything about. The new Ukrainian president came from nowhere, and there was a lot of concern would this aid wind up being beneficial to the Russians."
-Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.
Even if that were not factually accurate, the Ukrainians didn't even KNOW about the delay at the time of the phone call.
And, even if ALL THAT was not factually accurate, you simply, in light of Joe Biden's CONFESSED extortion and quid pro quo, cannot make a case that it's an impeachable offence..
So, no matter HOW you want to spin it, not only are the claims NOT undisputed, they are PROVEN to be out and out BS... :D
Yes.
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/767080125/texts-show-top-u-s-diplomat-in-ukraine-concerned-over-possible-quid-pro-quo
I am not going to read an entire web site just to try and locate the one sentence you claim is there..
Please quote the part of the link that says what you think it says and then give me the link so I can verify context et al...
Thanx ever so much.. :D
The text exchange proves the Ukrainian president and his aides did know, and were not pleased about it. Further, claims of corruption against the bidens have long been proven false.
@m,
It's not that long an article, and that's hard to do on my phone. Indulge me and read the whole thing.
Now we know why Schiff-head is keeping all the hearings secret and won't let the GOP question any witnesses..
Jim Jordan says he hopes Schiff releases Volker transcript on Trump-Ukraine: 'There's no quid pro quo'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rep-jordan-says-he-hopes-americans-see-the-former-ukraine-envoys-transcript
More facts to support that it's a coup...
It's not that long an article, and that's hard to do on my phone. Indulge me and read the whole thing.
OK.. For you.. :D
I am STILL gabber-flasted how ya'all can do this on a phone!! :D
Sorry, JL..
All that is is an article claiming that Democrats on the various committees HAVE text messages that claims to say what you say they say..
The actual text messages are not displayed..
Considering the TRACK RECORD of those same Democrats who claimed to have absolute undeniable PROOF of Trump colluding with the Russians, yet was never able to actually produce such proof??
I wouldn't believe these Democrats if they said that sky was blue and water was wet...
I am further constrained to point out that Schiff-head hisself has already been caught in a bucket full of lies, so his credibility is worse than anyone eles's..
Unless you have the actual txt messages and they are VERIFIED, then all you have is hearsay...
And, even if you had documented FACTS to say what you claim they say, it wouldn't matter..
Because, as Biden PROVED beyond any doubt.. Quid Pro Quo is perfectly acceptable within the hallowed hallways of diplomacy...
And, even if you had documented FACTS to say what you claim they say, it wouldn't matter..
Because, as Biden PROVED beyond any doubt.. Quid Pro Quo is perfectly acceptable within the hallowed hallways of diplomacy...
And is, by ANY stretch of the imagination, NOT an impeachable offense..
You want me to drag up more Democrat quotes?? :D
I like you, JL... Yer the only one here who even TRIES to make a case.. :D
I am hoping you can come up with a win so I can reward such efforts.. :D
Maybe others would try and make a case as well..
@m,
They are quoting word for word. If accurate, the messages prove the president did what the committees suspect he did, hold up military aid and lead the Ukrainian president to believe it was conditional on going after the bidens. If not accurate, they should resign.
And just for the record, that was a LOT longer of a read because I had to read all the links to see if they actually showed any of the actual text messages..
Which they didn't..
They are quoting word for word.
I didn't even see any quotes.. But if they didn't have the actual TXT messages themselves, then it's STILL hearsay
If accurate, the messages prove the president did what the committees suspect he did, hold up military aid and lead the Ukrainian president to believe it was conditional on going after the bidens. If not accurate, they should resign.
Exactly.
We don't KNOW their accurate.. So you cannot claim them as if they were accurate.
Because we have NO WORD but the Democrats who claimed to have seen the TXT messages.
And I am sure you would agree, given all their claims made during their Russia Collusion delusion, their words ain't worth a plug nickle...
And what is the beauty of all this, is that President Trump doesn't have to PROVE a damn thing..
Democrats have to PROVE President Trump's guilt..
And, since **ALL** that Democrats have is hearsay, innuendo and outright BS, Democrats are failing and failing BIG TIME in trying to make their case..
They won't even produce this so-called "whistle blower" to be questioned and cross-examined..
They won't let GOP question they witnesses they ARE calling.
Are these the actions of people who have a slam dunk case??
Nope..
But, allow me to clarify one point.
Your argument for the impeachable offense is the quid pro quo.. NOT the "collusion"..
Do you concede that the "collusion" aspect is a non-starter as far as an impeachable offense goes??
They are quoting word for word. If accurate, the messages prove the president did what the committees suspect he did, hold up military aid and lead the Ukrainian president to believe it was conditional on going after the bidens. If not accurate, they should resign.
For the record, if their quotes are not accurate, they should be PROSECUTED...
In their latest attempt to undo the 2016 presidential election simply because they despise the current occupant of the Oval Office, it is Democrats’ general contention that Trump sought to pressure Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election by looking into shady Biden family dealings and then sought to cover it up.
Further, congressional Democrats are so sure they have Trump’s number this go-round that they intend to move with lightning speed on impeachment, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has tapped House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) to lead the charge for now. Schiff is the Democrats’ go-to carnival barker when it comes to spreading copious amounts of disinformation. The media hangs on Schiff’s every word and rarely questions his motives — even after he infamously said there was “ample evidence of collusion in plain sight” between Trump and Russia.
One could certainly argue that Trump’s July 25 phone call with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky was ham-handed and ill-advised — but to claim it’s illegal and thus warrants a fast-tracked impeachment seems like wishful thinking, and is an enormous political gamble.
Yep.. Exactly.
The Democrats' entire case is nothing but wishful thinking...
Legally speaking, there does not appear to be any promises or threats or any kind of quid pro quo on Trump’s part. Further, the Ukrainians weren’t even aware that U.S. military aid was being held up at the time. As for campaign finance violations, the Department of Justice has already thrown cold water on that. Further, if Trump is engaged in a cover-up, he’s doing a terrible job of it by taking the unprecedented step of making not only the call public, but also the whistleblower complaint. For those who want to delve into allegations of secret servers, Trump’s predecessors have engaged in similar actions.
What should give the American public and some Democrats great pause is that the process for whistleblowers who wish to have their concerns expedited to Congress might have been altered to allow secondhand and even thirdhand information to suffice. Further, the whistleblower complaint reads more like a premeditated political set-up from a leaker than the misgivings of a concerned citizen worried about potential White House wrongdoings. But the real kicker, if you want to be cynical, is that Democrats are accusing Trump of engaging in the very same activity with Ukraine in which they were involved in 2016 and again in 2018.
Once again, if you DO want to look at quid pro quo, why don't you look at the actions of Democrats in 2016 and 2018??
The answer is because quid pro quo is not the issue..
Nullifying a free, fair, legal, democratic and Constitutional election..
THAT's the issue..
And lets take some Democrat quotes on THAT issue..
"In the case of an impeachment, fair means bipartisan … Once the election is held, our leaders hold office until the next election. It is simply antithetical to our constitutional democracy to use impeachment to overturn an election on partisan grounds. It violates the independence of the presidency and it usurps the people’s voice"
-Senator Joe Biden
"According to Ben Franklin, Impeachment is the legal substitute for ASSASSINATION"
-Jerrold Nadler
"It is our constitutional duty to give the president the benefit of the doubt on the facts"
-Senator Joe Biden
Let's repeat that one for the cheap seats..
*****************************************
"It is our constitutional duty to give the
president the benefit of the doubt on the facts"
********************************************
Are ANY of ya'all giving President Trump the benefit of the doubt, as Joe Biden insists we do???
Anyone??? Anyone?? Buehler???
Michale
Do you ever ask yourself if you care too much, or if this is the right place to care so much?
No one knows how this will ultimately pan out. There are significant political risks for both parties. But here’s what we do know.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has to be downright giddy. She is currently surging in the Democratic presidential polls, and she gets to scream at Trump while defending her primary opponent Joe Biden to the teeth, yet privately hoping this ordeal sinks Biden and Trump as well.
When all is said and done, if persuadable voters (independents, swing-state voters) see this as nothing more than congressional Democrats crying wolf for the umpteenth time, engaging in a partisan exercise to appease a rabid base who refuses to accept Trump as a legitimate president, then Trump will be reelected in 2020. Further still, the House could come into play as well, when it wasn’t before this gambit.
This is a high-risk game Democrats are playing, and they’re going all-in to take out Trump.
It's a forgone conclusion that President Trump will remain in office after this faux impeachment coup...
It's further all but assured that President Trump will easily coast to re-election. They ONLY unknown is how big will President Trump's win be..
The Senate is safely in GOP hands and, given the overreach of the Democrats, it's highly likely that the GOP will increase their majority. Super Majority??? VERY likely...
But the House was more or less safe for Democrats until this faux impeachment coup started.. Their decline started with the Kavanaugh debacle and accelerated with the coup..
Now, Democrats will be grossly or obscenely lucky to keep the House..
There is the score-card as of today.. :D
@CRS
Do you ever ask yourself if you care too much, or if this is the right place to care so much?
Fair questions..
I honestly believe that, if something is truly important, there is no such thing as caring TOO MUCH..
As to the latter..
Obviously this place is not the best place to be passionate.. Especially over the "wrong" things.. heh :D
But I owe a debt of honor to CW and won't abandon my responsibility here unless and until CW informs me my services are no longer required.. :D
McConnell signaling Trump trial to be quick, if it happens
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464307-mcconnell-signaling-trump-trial-to-be-quick-if-it-happens
I mean, how long does it take to say, "ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT DISMISSED"
And oh ho boy will I laugh my ass off!!
Ya think my gloating was bad after ya'all's Russia Collusion delusion fell apart!??? :D
Ya'all ain't seen NOTHING yet!!! :D
Grrrr!!!
McConnell signaling Trump trial to be quick, if it happens
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464307-mcconnell-signaling-trump-trial-to-be-quick-if-it-happens
I mean, how long does it take to say, "ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT DISMISSED"
And oh ho boy will I laugh my ass off!!
Ya think my gloating was bad after ya'all's Russia Collusion delusion fell apart!??? :D
Ya'all ain't seen NOTHING yet!!! :D
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is signaling that he’s prepared to dispose quickly of articles of impeachment against President Trump and that any upcoming trial in the Senate will look much different than the 1999 impeachment trial of President Clinton.
McConnell says he is required by the Senate rules to take up articles of impeachment, but notes that there is no requirement on how long such a trial must last.
“I would have no choice but to take it up. How long you’re on it is a whole different matter,” McConnell said on CNBC Monday.
While I disagree with McConnell that he MUST take up the Articles Of Impeachment.. The power to hold a trial is also the power NOT to hold a trial..
But if he feels honor-bound to actually consider the Articles Of Impeachment, I won't fault him for his honor..
Just dismissing them after consideration is enough for me..
Of course, this presupposes that Democrats actually PASS any Articles Of Impeachment...
Which is extremely unlikely that it will considering it has established ZERO FACTS to support any articles..
In the CNBC interview, McConnell hit Democrats for wasting time on impeachment that could otherwise be spent on passing a new trade deal to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement and other legislative priorities.
“What I want to do is spend our time accomplishing things for the American people,” he said in the same interview, touting the need to pass the trade deal and bashing Democrats for “harassing” Trump.
“They spent the last three years harassing this president and I gather we’re going to get another chapter of that with the impeachment episode. But we need to find other things that actually make a difference for the American people and accomplish as much as we can,” he said.
As I have said and NO ONE has refuted..
The Democrat Party just jettisoned it's entire Party agenda in favor of this lame and doomed-to-fail witch hunt...
Everyone here knows i generally avoid name calling, but Moscow mitch really does seem to fit. Now the focus is off Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine's attempts to defend themselves from further russian empire building.
I wouldn't be surprised if dirt for dollars was Putin's idea to begin with.
Everyone here knows i generally avoid name calling, but Moscow mitch really does seem to fit.
Putin's Democrats is a lot more apropos.. :D
Now the focus is off Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine's attempts to defend themselves
Didn't that happen under Obama's watch???
And just when you think Democrats can't get more pathetic and disgusting...???
Lahren on charity event for slain cop postponed due to Trump-supporting attendees: 'This is disgusting'
The California police chief who pulled out of a fundraiser because Republican guests would be speaking is a "disgrace," according to Fox Nation host Tomi Lahren.
The charity flag football event in honor of a slain California sergeant was postponed indefinitely after organizers say that the local police chief and Democratic officials derailed the event to prevent Republican guest speakers from attending.
"A charity event in honor of a slain California police sergeant is derailed because a police chief and local Democrat politician can’t stand the thought of being at an event with Republicans. You’ve got to be freaking kidding me," Lahren said in her daily commentary, "Final Thoughts."
The Blue Bowl charity flag football tournament, originally scheduled for this Sunday in Thousand Oaks, California, was organized to honor fallen officer Sgt. Ron Helus and other officers who have fallen in the line of duty, FOX 11 of Los Angeles reported.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/youve-got-to-be-freaking-kidding-me-tomi-lahren-responds-to-postponed-charity-event-due-to-trump-supporting-attendees
They outdo themselves.. :eyeroll:
I guess that Chief bleeds DEMOCRAT Blue and not LEO Blue..
According to the event organizers, thousands of dollars had already been raised for fallen officers' families, but the money is now being returned to donors after Thousand Oaks Police Chief Tim Hagel reportedly withdrew the police department's support when he found out Trump supporters would be speaking at the event.
CA BAR SHOOTING LEAVES 12 DEAD
"He basically said over and over in the conversation, 'This is not Trump country, that slogan 'Make America Great' is not favorable, popular, within 1,200 square miles,' that we don’t want Republicans here. I could not believe it,” event organizer Mike Randall, vice president of the Fallen Officers Foundation, said, according to FOX 11.
Democrats are PURE and UNADULTERATED Scumbags!!
Sam Stein: Adam Schiff "Expressed Regret" For Lying About Having No Prior Contact With Whistleblower
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/10/04/sam_stein_adam_schiff_expressed_regret_for_lying_about_having_no_prior_contact_with_whistleblower.html
Yea.. Schiff-head is a guy we should be trusting, eh??
The same guy who claimed to have absolute PROOF of President Trump's collusion with Russia, but then back down when Mueller exonerated President Trump on Russia Collusion..
THIS is the guy ya'all want to believe??
ONLY because he is saying what ya'all want to hear??
"What are you, cops or door men??"
-Axel Foley, BEVERLY HILLS COP
My favorite part comes a sec later..
"Foul mouthed?? Fuck you!"
:D
heheh
As news continues to break it's very clear Blotus knew he'd never "win" re-election without massive cheating. He tried to get multiple countries to make up dirt on Joe Biden, and, apparently also dropped Elizabeth Warren in some of his extortion attempts.
He's also well aware he became potus in 2016 due to Russian interference and other cheating, hence his hysterical efforts to delegitimize Mueller. PLUS, of course, he's trying to clear Putin of interference charges in an effort to get sanctions removed from Russia. Putin's puppet big time.
Meanwhile Jared Kushner gave Saudi Prince MBS a hit list - and Khashoggi was murdered.
China puts out a statement today declining to interfere in our elections on Blotus' behalf - that's what we've come to.
Republicans now in the position of having to decide just what remnants of soul/conscience they possess - how far will they back this criminal-nutcase? How much Blotus-lying will they excuse? How much extortion/blackmail/corruption will they enable?
Sam Stein: Adam Schiff "Expressed Regret" For Lying About Having No Prior Contact With Whistleblower
Distraction. The Whistleblower had to run whatever he had through the ICIG first anyway. That inspector general had the final say before bringing it to the committee.
Look, your side is just gonna say "isn't true" until the cows come home, but the fact is that this impeachment is (as they say) "in the bag". It's not even close.
The alternative is that, from now on, any candidate can call on friendly countries to smear their political rivals. I could certainly see some Republicant Senators having second thoughts about that.
Given the current splits on Fox News (which you don't watch), I could imagine that you'd be a lot less confident.
But don't worry. If Trump wins that vote, every Republicant will have to spend next year explaining why.
China puts out a statement today declining to interfere in our elections on Blotus' behalf
Sure, until the Senate votes. Then China will step forward - with dirt on Trump. Then what will they say?
A stunt involving an alleged supporter of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) ranting about eating babies to stop climate change was a hoax orchestrated by a right-wing group.
LaRouche PAC. Of course.
Mitt Romney Calls Trump’s Ukraine Call, China Comments ‘Brazen And Unprecedented’
There's one Senate vote for our side. heh
Paula wrote:
Meanwhile Jared Kushner gave Saudi Prince MBS a hit list - and Khashoggi was murdered.
Please, aren't there enough conspiracy nonsense out there already without you contributing to it?
[148] Balthasar: Yep.
Liz -
Khashoggi wasn't murdered? Kushner & the Saudi prince aren't thick as thieves? Doesn't require big smarts to connect the dots.
Distraction. The Whistleblower had to run whatever he had through the ICIG first anyway. That inspector general had the final say before bringing it to the committee.
Which doesn't explain why Schiff-head's committee had ACCESS to the complaint and the complainant A MONTH before it was revealed..
AND it doesn't explain why Schiff-head LIED about it.
So, as usual, your "distraction" is bullshit.. It IS the distraction..
LaRouche PAC. Of course.
Yea?? Facts to support?? NO??
Of course.. :eyeroll:
Mitt Romney Calls Trump’s Ukraine Call, China Comments ‘Brazen And Unprecedented’
There's one Senate vote for our side. heh
Yea??
It's cute that you think it's actually going to GO to a trial.. :D
Liz,
Please, aren't there enough conspiracy nonsense out there already without you contributing to it?
Give valuim girl a break.. She has so little joy left in her life..
Blathy,
Khashoggi wasn't murdered? Kushner & the Saudi prince aren't thick as thieves? Doesn't require big smarts to connect the dots.
Don't be such an idiot, Blathy.. You do Paula's work for her..
There is absolutely NO DOT between Kushner and the Saudi Prince that involves Koshiggi..
And anyone who thinks there is, is totally and completely brain dead..
Although I don't give you credit for MUCH smarts, I DO think you are smarter than this..
Don't prove me wrong... :eyeroll:
As news continues to break it's very clear Blotus knew he'd never "win" re-election without massive cheating. He tried to get multiple countries to make up dirt on Joe Biden, and, apparently also dropped Elizabeth Warren in some of his extortion attempts.
He's also well aware he became potus in 2016 due to Russian interference and other cheating, hence his hysterical efforts to delegitimize Mueller. PLUS, of course, he's trying to clear Putin of interference charges in an effort to get sanctions removed from Russia. Putin's puppet big time.
Meanwhile Jared Kushner gave Saudi Prince MBS a hit list - and Khashoggi was murdered.
China puts out a statement today declining to interfere in our elections on Blotus' behalf - that's what we've come to.
Republicans now in the position of having to decide just what remnants of soul/conscience they possess - how far will they back this criminal-nutcase? How much Blotus-lying will they excuse? How much extortion/blackmail/corruption will they enable?
"Amazing. Everything you just said there is wrong.."
-Luke Skywalker
Mike: Yea?? Facts to support?? NO??
https://twitter.com/larouchepac/status/1179933213021626368
I always have facts to support my opinions.
You're just angry that it isn't true.
JL
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Everyone here knows i generally avoid name calling, but Moscow mitch really does seem to fit. Now the focus is off Putin's invasion of Crimea and Ukraine's attempts to defend themselves from further russian empire building.
Yes, sir, and as I've said before, Trump is being led around by the nose by Putin. Putin has a multiple inch thick manual of kompromat -- compromising material -- on Donald Trump, and he's their asset. The object of the exercise has always been for Trump to ease sanctions on Russia.
If anyone thinks it's mere coincidence that sanctions have already been eased by Moscow Mitch and Benedict Donald on Paul Manafort's employer Oleg Deripaska and that Moscow Mitch was thereafter rewarded with a "foil factory" in Kentucky by the Russian oligarch, well then, they've just not been paying very good attention.
Friday pie day! :)
I always have facts to support my opinions.
Really??
Like the time you claimed I have no links in my comments??
You had no facts then..
What about the time you claimed all my comments were from Trump supporters, when in FACT many were from Democrats..
You were completely FACT-LESS then..
Of course, there was also that time you claimed Shorokin wasn't planning on investigating Hunter Biden.. Of course the FACT was Shorokin WAS planning on investigating Hunter Biden and there was a signed affadavit attesting to that FACT..
So, you had NO FACTS, but you DID have plenty of bullshit.. Maybe you confuse the two..
THEN there was that time you claimed that it is illegal for an American to solicit, obtain or receive any dirt from foreign sources..
Then when you found out yer butt-buddy Schiff-head was offered dirt on President Trump and jumped at the chance, then you back-pedaled and tried to claim it was illegal ONLY to solicit, but NOT to receive..
So, just in the past few days alone, your bullshit has far out numbered your FACTS (ZERO)
So, when you claim you always have facts to support your claim, that is ALSO a fact-less claimed..
Perhaps you MEANT to say, You always have BULLSHIT to support your claims.. Since yer a Democrat, that makes MUCH MORE sense as far as reality goes..
:eyeroll: moron
Stop typing out false accusations and assertions, Michale.
By the way, how do you feel about Trump asking China to investigate the Bidens?
[152],
Khashoggi wasn't murdered? Kushner & the Saudi prince aren't thick as thieves? Doesn't require big smarts to connect the dots.
Non-serious.
Again.. From RCP, the UMIMPEACHABLE source here in Weigantia..
Schweizer: Biden's Son Cashed In On VP Being Point Man For Obama In Ukraine And China
Wednesday on FNC's "Special Report," author Peter Schweizer spoke about allegations of corruption against former Vice President Joe Biden involving his son's business dealings in Ukraine and China. In his book, "Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends" Schweizer makes the case that Hunter Biden took advantage of his father being the Obama administration's point man for dealing with Ukraine and China to land lucrative business deals in those countries that he would otherwise have been unable to make.
"Joe Biden is appointed the point-person to two countries on policy: China and Ukraine. And in both of those countries, they happen to be the epicenters of Hunter Biden's business activities," Schweizer explained.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/10/04/schweizer_bidens_son_cashed_in_on_vp_being_point_man_for_obama_in_ukraine_and_china.html
How utterly AMAZING..
Hunter Biden was able to garner BILLION DOLLAR jobs in Ukraine and in China.. Even though he had NO IDEA about the region, the politics of the region or the language or even the BUSINESS that they did..
Hunter Biden was COMPLETELY IGNORANT in every aspect of Ukraine and China...
And yet, he was able to garner billion dollar paychecks..
And the **ONLY** connection that Biden had to Ukraine and China is that Papa Smurf was assigned the point man in BOTH of those countries..
Coincidence???
Anyone who believes it was only a coincidence is either a MORON or a Demcorat Party slave...
Liz,
[152],
Khashoggi wasn't murdered? Kushner & the Saudi prince aren't thick as thieves? Doesn't require big smarts to connect the dots.
Non-serious.
For once, I agree with ya.. Not worth even responding to, unless it's with laughter.. :D
Stop typing out false accusations and assertions, Michale.
If there were false, I wouldn't be ALLOWED to type them out.. Think about that..
By the way, how do you feel about Trump asking China to investigate the Bidens?
The same way ya'all feel about Hillary asking the Ukrainians or working with the Brits or the Russians..
Part and parcel to the process.... It's annoying, but it is how it is..
Blathy... Aren't you going to tell me again how you ALWAYS have facts to support your claims?
Because I just bitch-slapped you and PROVED you were full of shit..
AGAIN... :D
Anytime you want to start the civility, let me know.. :D
And again, the obvious must be pointed out..
If Joe Biden was official and not rogue when he helped out his son....
Why hasn't Obama stepped forward and cover Joe Biden's ass???
The ONLY explanation that fits the facts is that Joe Biden was rogue...
OR
Obama doesn't want to put his face on it and is throwing Joe Biden to the wolves...
Either way...
It doesn't bode well for Biden.. Either of them..
Paula
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As news continues to break it's very clear Blotus knew he'd never "win" re-election without massive cheating. He tried to get multiple countries to make up dirt on Joe Biden, and, apparently also dropped Elizabeth Warren in some of his extortion attempts.
It's a global dezinformatsiya campaign right out of Putin's playbook... literally. It's not a coincidence when a country's leader uses his office to stay in power under the guise of fighting corruption. It's also not a coincidence that Donald Trump's idea of fighting corruption is to kneecap his political opponents in order to say in power to further his personal interests.
How gullible does one have to be in order to believe the concept that with corruption all around us wherein Saudi Arabia has killed one of our journalists and -- state the obvious -- Russia continues to hack our elections -- that Donald's idea of fighting corruption involves a disinformation campaign to disparaging his opposition. It does not take all that many firing synapses in the cranium of a thinking person to deduce that Trump is using taxpayers' dollars and the office of the presidency to further his own interests over the interests of the United States.
He's also well aware he became potus in 2016 due to Russian interference and other cheating, hence his hysterical efforts to delegitimize Mueller. PLUS, of course, he's trying to clear Putin of interference charges in an effort to get sanctions removed from Russia. Putin's puppet big time.
Yes, exactly... a modern-day Benedict Arnold who would sell out his country in order to benefit himself personally; I may have mentioned that a time or two.
Meanwhile Jared Kushner gave Saudi Prince MBS a hit list - and Khashoggi was murdered.
I'd say if Donald Trump was suddenly interested in fighting corruption, the murder of an American journalist in Saudi Arabia would have been a perfect avenue to have chosen, but what did America do?
China puts out a statement today declining to interfere in our elections on Blotus' behalf - that's what we've come to.
You don't mean the communist nation that Trump has attempted to strong-arm into his disinformation campaign in suborning American democracy has been an epic fail, do you? Australia has likewise refused.
It appears that Poor Donald's sudden interest in fighting corruption aren't going so well. :)
Mike,
Blah, blah, blah. You asked me for a link to prove that right-wingers targeted OAC. I provided that link. It was:
https://twitter.com/larouchepac/status/1179933213021626368
You're welcome.
Damn.
AOC. https://twitter.com/larouchepac/status/1179933213021626368
More fun with quotes..
"The president’s accusers must go beyond hearsay and innuendo and beyond demands that the president prove his innocence of vague and changing charges. They must provide clear and convincing evidence of specific impeachable conduct."
-Jerrold Nadler
All Democrats have is hearsay and innuendo...
That wasn't good enough with a DEMOCRAT being impeached..
But apparently it's PERFECTLY acceptable when it's a Republican who is being impeached..
OF COURSE it's ONLY about the -D vs the -R....
Nothing else fits the facts..
Blah, blah, blah. You asked me for a link to prove that right-wingers targeted OAC. I provided that link. It was:
You also said you ALWAYS have facts when you made claims..
You don't as I have proven..
Why can't you acknowledge you were full of shit???
'Sides.. that's no facts to support your claim.
It's an anonymous tweet...
Your idea of FACTS is as much bullshit as all your other claims..
Lemme know when yer ready for the civility... :D
"In December of 2013, Joe Biden flies to Beijing, China on Air Force Two. On the plane with him is his son, Hunter Biden," Schweizer stated. "Frankly, he gets criticized on the trip for going soft on Beijing. What we now know is that ten days after they returned from that trip, Hunter Biden's small investment firm announced a $1.5 billion private equity deal with the Chinese government."
"In February 2014, the Yanukovich government falls, the Russians move into Crimea, there is a crisis situation. Joe Biden becomes the point person on the Western response in Ukraine," Schweizer continued. "Literally two months after that event, Hunter Biden and Devin Archer are appointed to the board of directors of Burisma, which is a notoriously corrupt energy company."
"The problem is," he said. "Just like in China, in the case of Ukraine, he has no background that would warrant him getting this position. He has no background in energy policy, and he certainly has no background and Ukraine."
NO background in the region...
DOESN'T speak the language....
Has NO CLUE about energy whatsoever...
And yet, he nets $1.5 BILLION from China and gets a cushy 50 THOUSAND dollar a MONTH job in Ukraine..
And NONE of ya'all see ***ANYTHING*** wrong with that??
Change Biden to Trump..
NOW I bet ya'all would see PLENTY wrong with it..
You people are SO TRANSPARENT in your Party bigotry...
And what is LAUGHABLE is that ya'all don't realize ***HOW*** transparent ya'all are... Of course.. Notable exceptions noted...
[169] Kick: Yep to all.
It’s Not A Crime For Trump To Ask China And Ukraine To Investigate Biden
Today the president reiterated that he wants Ukraine and China to investigate Joe Biden. Democrats have not made clear why that is a crime.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/03/its-not-a-crime-for-trump-to-ask-china-and-ukraine-to-investigate-biden/
And Democrats CAN'T make clear why that is a crime, because it's not..
It's really THAT simple...
Ya'all just don't LIKE it because all the nefarious schemes that Democrats have cooked up over the decades are not coming home to roost..
:D
And I, for one... COULDN'T BE HAPPIER!!!! :D
Ya'all hear that?? The whistling wooosh sound???
It's the air coming out of this whole faux impeachment coup....
Democrats are rocked back on their heels... That have been bitch-slapped and don't know how to recover..
We are seeing the beginning of the end of the Democrat Party as a viable Political Party..
And all I can say...
It's about frakin' time!!!!
:D
Michale is one happy camper today...
Elizabeth Miller
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Please, aren't there enough conspiracy nonsense out there already without you contributing to it?
Please, Elizabeth. If the aim of your crusade is to stop the conspiracy nonsense "out there," then you're quite obviously missing the Giant Honking Forest for the tiny twig.
Your attempts at censoring Paula are again duly noted, but might I suggest you focus your exertions elsewhere or take your own advice and STFU about her posts?
"This impeachment is a deadly plant that has flowered in the toxic soil of partisanship. Given the highly contentious nature of the charges against the president, there is no question in my mind that the congressional leadership should have first established a bipartisan process for investigating the serious allegations"
-Senator Ron Wyden, Oregon
Of course, that was only during the impeachment of a guy with a -D after his name..
If the President has a -R after his name, it's COMPLETELY different...
:eyeroll:
Pence now being asked to turn over documents:
https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/2019-10-04.EEC%20Engel%20Schiff%20%20re%20Request%20to%20VP%2010-04-19%20Letter%20and%20Schedule.pdf
[180] Kick: :-)
Pence now being asked to turn over documents:
Pence is telling Democrats to go frak themselves..
Produce the "whistle blower".. Hold a vote..
Other wise, Democrats get NOTHING..
Yer out of your league, xanax girl... :D
"If the evidence required to convict a president of the United States in an impeachment trial is allowed to be less than that required in a shoplifting trial, the constitutional foundation for the presidency will disintegrate before our very eyes. That is something that a few future presidents in this body ought to consider for just a moment"
Too bad Democrats can't listen to their younger selves..
So be it..
The resulting destruction of the Democrat Party is on them...
[36] Michale
You still think Biden is going to be the nominee?
Yes. Beyond reasonable doubt. Democrats would never pass up such an opportunity to shoot ourselves in the foot.
[145] Paula
He's also well aware he became potus in 2016 due to Russian interference and other cheating
The blame for the ra*ist-in-chief belongs to the 62,979,636 people who voted for him. The Russians hacked into voter registration systems, but they didn't purge any registrations. They made a lot of noise on Facebook, but they didn't stuff any ballot boxes. No one has been surprised by anything he has done in office: the Russians didn't fool people into thinking they were voting for anything but what they really voted for.
Republican Sen. Ron Johnson just did Trump no favors on Ukraine
A quid pro quo is certainly not required, but this sure sounds like a "quid pro Joe" to me, but don't take my word for it, ask Ron Johnson (R).
Oh, and do kindly ask him under penalty of perjury. :)
DSWS,
Yes. Beyond reasonable doubt. Democrats would never pass up such an opportunity to shoot ourselves in the foot.
I would propose a wager, but I get the feeling that sort of thing is beneath you.. :D
The blame for the ra*ist-in-chief belongs to the 62,979,636 people who voted for him. The Russians hacked into voter registration systems, but they didn't purge any registrations. They made a lot of noise on Facebook, but they didn't stuff any ballot boxes. No one has been surprised by anything he has done in office: the Russians didn't fool people into thinking they were voting for anything but what they really voted for.
Exactly..
But these people who lost their sanity when Hillary lost the election.
The need a touchstone to keep them at least within a semblance of sane..
Paula's touchstone is that Russians elected President Trump. And xanax... LOTS and LOTS of xanax.... :D
President Trump threw a glass of cold water over the impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives today by essentially stipulating to the main allegation being made against him. In fact, he doubled down on it.
Asked about what he wants Ukrainian President Volomydyr Zelensky to do about Hunter Biden’s business dealings there Trump said, “I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Bidens.” He also suggested that China should open a similar investigation. But what Trump was mostly saying is that he is the president and there is nothing wrong with saying such things to foreign leaders.
And Democrat HEADS explode with apoplexy :D
And it's a HILARIOUS sight to see!!! :D
dsws
186
The blame for the ra*ist-in-chief belongs to the 62,979,636 people who voted for him.
Not exactly completely correct: But for the electoral college system that applies to only one elected official in the entire country, Trump would have lost by approximately the same percentage the polls were predicting on election day.
No one has been surprised by anything he has done in office: the Russians didn't fool people into thinking they were voting for anything but what they really voted for.
You continue to advance the idea that your opinion is shared by everybody... so very Trumpian.
Now Democrats insist that no quid pro quo is needed to prove a high crime or misdemeanor occurred during the phone call. Instead, they insist, this is a question of an illegal campaign contribution. They seem to be suggesting that Trump was asking the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on his political rival Joe Biden, rather than asking them to root out corruption that allegedly involved his son Hunter Biden, and potentially the former vice president himself.
But is that a high crime or misdemeanor? We know that Hunter Biden took an extremely lucrative job from a Ukrainian energy concern for which he had no relevant experience. Is it really so strange for Americans to want to know if what he was really offering was access to the vice president?
Likewise we know that Hunter Biden traveled to China with his father on Air Force Two in 2013, and that during that trip he met with a Chinese banker, and 10 days after the trip the Chinese granted a license for a new fund on which Hunter was a board member.
Perhaps these are just coincidences. Perhaps Hunter Biden possesses some vast expertise in business that he honed while snorting cocaine during his time in the Navy. But it does not seem completely unreasonable to imagine his proximity to the White House might have played a role in his hiring.
As I have said and as has been proven beyond doubt....
Joe and Hunter Biden are suffering much MUCH more than President Trump is...
DSWS,
Don't fret...
Your opinion IS shared by everyone... At least everyone who has more than 2 brain cells to rub together and is not a Party slave... :D
That brings us back to President Trump. Trump clearly feels that something untoward and perhaps illegal occurred regarding Hunter Biden in Ukraine and China. In regard to the former, he received information from attorney Rudy Giuliani raising questions about the firing of a prosecutor investigating the company where the younger Biden worked. So the question is, is it illegal for Trump to ask foreign leaders to look into it?
The answer to this question seems to almost certainly be no. In fact, the closest thing the Democrats can pin to the president is a vague campaign finance violation. Is it tacky? Does it violate norms? Yes, probably, but it is just as plausible that Trump wanted answers about family members in the Obama administration getting sweet deals from foreign governments as it is that he was trying to damage a potential political rival.
And what if both things are true? What if Trump is genuinely concerned about corruption in our foreign affairs, and the fact that Joe Biden might be mixed up in it is a just a bonus? If there are cases, which there certainly are, when it is appropriate and legal for a president to urge foreign leaders to investigate potential wrongdoing by Americans, then the Democrats have to prove why in this case is wasn’t.
Once again.. Democrats are apoplectic because their coup is not working as planned.. :D
Their answer is that Joe Biden is running for president. Their entire argument for impeachment now rests on the idea that Biden’s candidacy makes him immune to such calls for scrutiny. But they will not and can not point to an actual law that Trump violated in the conversation. Rather, they make vague arguments about courting foreign interference in an election and potential campaign finance violations.
And THERE is the crux of it...
But they will not and can not point to an actual law that Trump violated in the conversation.
And THAT is why Democrats will *ALWAYS* lose..
Because they have no law...
All they have is their hate and their bigotry...
Notable Tweets in History
*
Without getting into all the details, it seems I have got my crew playing a new game I inadvertently invented today -- as I am wont to do -- and trying to outdo each other. I have named this game:
You Just Might Be A Traitor(TM)
Allow me to demonstrate:
Feel free to submit your ideas alongside ours, please.
_____________________________
Disclaimer: Referring to someone as a "traitor" is in no way whatsoever the equivalent of accusing them of Treason as that term is defined by federal statute. Also: If the shoe fits. :)
Mike is banking his argument on an assertion that has no legal basis - that the President can ask for dirt on his political opponents any time he wants.
His case would surely be helped if there were already just one iota of charge against Hunter Biden. But by every account, he was an ideal board member. And who better to keep an eye on a troublesome energy company?
That's the main problem with the Trump shenanigans - what he's asking Ukraine and China to do is to dig up NEW dirt on Biden, based on the surety of his conservative friends that something would be found.
And now, Pence is undoubtedly a part of it. White House guys have thrown him under a bus that hasn't started to move yet. Guiliani and Barr are in similar trouble, and this is barely even a week old so far.
Mike
188
But these people who lost their sanity when Hillary lost the election.
This isn't about the tiny insignificant singular election of 2016, you ignorant fucking poon; it's about the future of our democracy and the sanctity of our United States Constitution and our laws as defined by federal statute.
The need a touchstone to keep them at least within a semblance of sane..
The insanity belongs to the moron brigade of the Trump cult of gullible sheeple who are regularly spoon-fed a diet of propaganda bullshit and regurgitate it back in steady streams of verbal diarrhea like the useful idiots they've been groomed to be.
Paula's touchstone is that Russians elected President Trump. And xanax... LOTS and LOTS of xanax.... :D
Mike's touchstone is Trump's cock. :D
Balthasar
197
Mike is banking his argument on an assertion that has no legal basis - that the President can ask for dirt on his political opponents any time he wants.
Their inability to connect the dots is quite astounding, is it not? Those who keep whining incessantly that President Obama and others will be perp walked straight into jail cells upon the release of a report by "Horowitz" "any day now" while arguing at the same time that the POTUS can have any American investigated by any country on Earth and for any reason need to pick a lane. Is not America a country, and is not Trump an American? The ignorant goobers need to pick a lane.
Oh, and "Any Day Now" should definitely be the motto for the QAnon conspiracy right-wingnut spew. It just fits to a "T".
His case would surely be helped if there were already just one iota of charge against Hunter Biden. But by every account, he was an ideal board member. And who better to keep an eye on a troublesome energy company?
I know, right!? And in a world full of all kinds of "corruption," the idea that Donald Trump decided "Hunter Biden" from 2015 was the corruption that needed fighting is laughable, at best.
That's the main problem with the Trump shenanigans - what he's asking Ukraine and China to do is to dig up NEW dirt on Biden, based on the surety of his conservative friends that something would be found.
Would we call Putin a conservative? ;)
And now, Pence is undoubtedly a part of it. White House guys have thrown him under a bus that hasn't started to move yet. Guiliani and Barr are in similar trouble, and this is barely even a week old so far.
Yes, sir. It sure looks like Pence is being maneuvered under the proverbial bus, and the finger-pointing is just getting started. Trump is signalling to the votes in the Senate that Pence is going down with him. The two "peas" -- Pence and Pompeo -- are not protected from prosecution in the same manner as Trump, of course, so Pence would obviously go out first in the same manner as Spiro Agnew during the Watergate era.
Why would our government request that a foreign government investigate an American citizen who does not reside in that foreign country for possible, but unspecific, criminal charges when our own government has not investigated that citizen and no charges are pending against the citizen here??? Seriously? It’s your comments supporting crap like this that make your lies about working in law enforcement so incredibly laughable!
We are not talking about requesting assistance in matters concerning national security. No, this is about...well, Trump hasn’t even bothered to figure out what crime Biden should be found guilty of having committed yet, so just wing it!
Why wait until Biden was clearly running against Trump for the presidency to begin asking countries to investigate him for events that everyone was aware of when they happened years ago?
This story was well reported when it occurred years ago. If the foreign government believed a crime had been committed in their country or against them, wouldn’t it seem likely that they would have already investigated the matter by now?
Spin! Spin! Spin! Gotta keep all the lies spinning so we don’t have to admit that Trump royally screwed the pooch on this one!
It's funny how Romney's quotes are ONLY notable when they are saying what the Trump/America haters want to hear..
Hypocrisy?? Definitely.. :D
Kick: Is not America a country, and is not Trump an American? The ignorant goobers need to pick a lane.
Right now, I think they'd be happy just to muddy up the impeachment waters.
And, reports by "Horowitz" and "Dunham" are likely to be long on opinion, but short of facts.
in a world full of all kinds of "corruption," the idea that Donald Trump decided "Hunter Biden" from 2015 was the corruption that needed fighting
THAT'S the part where it falls apart. Really? Hey, Mr. President, tell us another story...
Would we call Putin a conservative?
Putin, like Trump is out for himself, but not above instigating other countries to adopt governments that embrace Nationalism rather than globalism because it suits his goals better. So, for the moment, yeah.
Pence would obviously go out first in the same manner as Spiro Agnew during the Watergate era
If they're smart - President Pelosi is probably too much to consider. Then again, Trump isn't above throwing EVERYONE under the bus just to stay afloat. Stay tuned!
Mike is banking his argument on an assertion that has no legal basis - that the President can ask for dirt on his political opponents any time he wants.
Which is factually accurate...
You have NO FACTS to support your version of your fantasy law..
His case would surely be helped if there were already just one iota of charge against Hunter Biden.
Apparently, the GP in Ukraine thought there was.. And THAT is why Joe Biden had him fired.. To fade the heat from Biden's son..
How do we know this?? The General Prosecutor in Ukraine swore an affidavit to it..
That's the main problem with the Trump shenanigans - what he's asking Ukraine and China to do is to dig up NEW dirt on Biden
Nope.. As usual, you have NO FACTS to support this bullshit...
So much for your claim that you ALWAYS have facts to support your bullshit.
And now, Pence is undoubtedly a part of it. White House guys have thrown him under a bus that hasn't started to move yet. Guiliani and Barr are in similar trouble, and this is barely even a week old so far.
Any facts to support??
Of course not..
This faux impeachment is falling apart all over the place..
But you stick to the delusion that it's all ending from Trump..
Which is EXACTLY the script you followed during your Russia Collusion delusion phase..
You swore UP AND DOWN AND LEFT AND RIGHT that Trump was going down!! Frog marched from the Oval Office..
You thought that and believed that with all yer hearts..
RIGHT UP TO THE POINT that Mueller totally and completely exonerated President Trump for Russia Collusion...
BBBBWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ya should have seen the looks on ya'all's faces when President Trump was COMPLETELY exonerated.. :D
It's gonna be the SAME look when this faux impeachment coup also falls apart..
:D
And *I* am gonna be lovin' it..
Because, even CW agrees.. It's all but GUARANTEED that the end result will be President Trump remaining in office..
BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Romney's quotes are ONLY notable when they are saying what the Trump/America haters want to hear..
Isn't that just Trump haters? And no, Romney has been quoted many times before. He was the Republican candidate for President, once upon a time.
In fact, weren't you FOR him, back then?
Russ spewed:
Blaaaa blaaaa blaaaa blaaaa
Sorry, son.. you have absolutely NO credibility whatsoever..
Even though my bona fides were WELLL established LONG BEFORE Russ began polluting Weigantia, Russ is going to spew hysterical bullshit about how I was never a cop and blaaa blaaa blaaaa blaaaa in 3.. 2... 1..
Yer a waste of skin, Russ.. Live with that..
Aww right people.. As of now, I belong to my beautiful wife of almost 40 years...
"Hasta lasagna, don't get any on ya.."
-Emilio Estevez, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE
Isn't that just Trump haters?
Nope. It's America haters too.. Why else would ya'all be serving the needs of Putin and Russia..
And no, Romney has been quoted many times before.
Not by Trump/America haters.
And not as being in AGREEMENT with Trump/America haters, as is now..
So, once again, yer full of shit..
Lemme know when ya want to be civil, Blathy..
OK.. signing off. :D
You have NO FACTS to support your version of your fantasy law..
The law is actually very loose on this subject, ranging from treason to he “rendered himself obnoxious,” in the words of Benjamin Franklin.
ox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano slammed Donald Trump's "allusions to violence" and reference to a "civil war," arguing that the president's actions toward Ukraine constituted "impeachable behavior."
"The president's allusions to violence are palpably dangerous. They will give cover to crazies who crave violence, as other intemperate words of his have done," Napolitano warned in an op-ed published by Fox News on Thursday. He pointed out that "bounties" have already been offered for information that could lead to identifying the anonymous whistleblower at the center of the Ukraine scandal.
"Trump also suggested that his impeachment would produce a second American Civil War. This language is a dog whistle to the deranged," the legal expert, who previously served as a New Jersey Superior Court Judge, added.
As to whether opposition research is a violation of federal election law, it’s the reason why Trump’s former lawyer [Michael Cohen] is now serving time — it's one of the crimes to which he pleaded guilty.
Michale,
If there were false, I wouldn't be ALLOWED to type them out.. Think about that..
I don't have to. Sadly, Chris allows you to tap out anything you want - quite obviously - regardless of its veracity or lack thereof.
Trump is guilty of abuse of power, on several counts and on the factual basis of his own words.
Biden, on the other hand, is the epitome of integrity and devotion to country.
Michale,
Apparently, the GP in Ukraine thought there was.. And THAT is why Joe Biden had him fired.. To fade the heat from Biden's son..
False. And, yet, you were allowed to tap it out.
The General Prosecutor in Ukraine swore an affidavit to it..
Later. Much later, after he was out of office.
Mueller totally and completely exonerated President Trump
No, to the contrary, he set out 10 articles of Obstruction of Justice. Barr didn't prosecute. We'll see if they make it into the Articles of Impeachment.
Why did the White House choose to release the “rough transcript” that clearly showed Trump seeking a foreign government dig up dirt on his political opponent?
Was it because Mueller did not directly state that Trump should be charged for doing so with the Russians that they believed they could fool the public that bought into the “No Collusion” bullshit the first time into believing it again?
And since the DOJ has made it clear that the President will not face criminal charges for crimes committed as long as they are in office, is Trump counting on his public not understanding this, but instead believing that if Trump were truly breaking the law, then the Fed’s would stop him?
Or was it because they knew the Whistleblower’s complaint would eventually get out and they wanted to be able to direct where the main focus of the Democrats’ accusations would be directed so to prevent more damning information from being scrutinized and uncovered?
The “rough transcript” is missing an estimated 10 - 15 minutes worth of conversations between the two presidents based on what was released and the official length of time our government claims the call lasted. It is clear that two of the areas of conversation that were not included were immediately after Trump brings up Crowd Strike and a wealthy businessman in Ukraine. Both of these topics are focused on showing that Russia really did not interfere with our elections in 2016. If this were true, then there would be no reason to continue economically sanctioning Russia.
What I cannot figure out is why Trump believes the Ukrainians would try to clear Russia by pinning the interference into our elections on themselves!?!? If they were successful in doing so, wouldn’t it seem logical that we’d sanction them like we have the Russians?
Russia’s economy is pretty much generated from the export of oil...and that is exactly where our sanctions have focused on. Putin is desperate to get those sanctions removed. And it seems like Trump, for some “unknown” reason, is desperate to clear Russia’s name to get those sanctions removed!
Mike
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It's funny how Romney's quotes are ONLY notable when they are saying what the Trump/America haters want to hear..
Hypocrisy?? Definitely.. :D
I agree that Trump hates America. I would also wager that Trump himself will find Romney's tweets notable because they are saying what he doesn't want to hear.
Hyprocrisy? No you fucking poon because anybody's tweets can be notable whether or not you agree with what's written in them.
Romney's tweet is notable because he's not in lockstep with the head of his Party, you know, the America Hater Traitor. While multitudes of Americans have given their lives to protect our democracy from communism, the America-Hater-Traitor-In-Chief placed a telephone call to a communist dictator in order to enlist his help in interfering with our democratic elections. #Traitor
Balthasar
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THAT'S the part where it falls apart. Really? Hey, Mr. President, tell us another story...
I am certain he will the next time he opens his orange blowhole.
Putin, like Trump is out for himself, but not above instigating other countries to adopt governments that embrace Nationalism rather than globalism because it suits his goals better. So, for the moment, yeah.
Trump is Putin's Whore... so much so that he's willing to enlist the dictator of a communist adversary in order to conspire to subvert our democracy.
Russ
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This... spot on!