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A Rather Unique Perspective

[ Posted Tuesday, June 16th, 2020 – 16:25 UTC ]

I have to admit I am seeing the protest movement across America from a rather strange viewpoint. I live in one of the most liberal areas of one of the most liberal states in the country, and here the citizens are deeply grieving... a police officer who lost his life. You can see why this is a rather unique lens through which to view what is currently going on.

The officer in question was a sheriff's deputy who responded to a call about a white van filled with dangerous weapons. He was ambushed and killed by a member of the U.S. Air Force who, after being apprehended, was charged not only with the deputy's murder but also with the earlier murder of the only federal law enforcement officer killed in the recent unrest anywhere in the entire country. This happened during one of the first nights of demonstrations, up in Oakland, California.

Now, my county doesn't see police officers killed very often. The news reported that the last sheriff's deputy to die in the line of fire happened in the 1980s. So this was a big event, and the populace has been memorializing the slain officer ever since -- despite (as mentioned) being an area that could honestly be called "ultra-liberal." We've seen heaps of flowers laid in honor and public mourning by just about everyone, for a brave local police officer.

But what seems strange about this whole incident, to me at least, is that while the national news media covered the Oakland shooting when it happened (it was seen as part of the protest, at the time), and while the shooting of the deputy was also national news for a short time, the media networks have almost completely ignored developments in the case ever since (I could be wrong about this -- the measure of whether this really is being broadly covered or not is how much of the following you have personally heard about). And there have been major developments, the latest being that the shooter was allegedly the same man in both murders. Here's a local update on the story:

Federal prosecutors filed murder and other charges against Travis Air Force Sgt. Steven Carrillo in the shooting death of Federal Protective Service officer Dave Underwood, who was killed in a hail of gunfire during a night of George Floyd unrest on May 29 while he stood watch over Oakland's federal building.

Carrillo was already in custody in Santa Cruz County jail for the special enhancement murder of Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller and the attempted murder of several other deputies in an ambush on June 6th in the mountain community of Ben Lomond. The charges carry with them the possibility of [sic] death sentence.

The evidence linking the two crimes was a white 1992 Ford Cargo van. U.S. Attorney David Anderson said the same van was used in both crimes. An AR-15 rifle recovered at the Santa Cruz crime scene was used in both shootings. Federal officials described the AR-15 as a "ghost weapon" -- a gun self-built from parts and not purchased from a manufacturer.

A [sic] armored vest also discovered in a vehicle belonging to Carrillo contained a distinct patch and slogans scrolled in what is believed to be Carrillo's blood on a vehicle carjacked during the Santa Cruz ambush linked the suspected gunman to the Boogaloo Movement -- a right-wing extremist group that harbors a mistrust of law enforcement and government, and anticipates a second American Civil War, referred to as the "boogaloo."

From another local news report which was published earlier:

A former friend of Carrillo's -- Justin Ehrhardt, who served in the Air Force with him before retiring -- said Carrillo's Facebook posts point to a right-wing extremist group that includes former and active military members. In particular, Carrillo was sharing memes about the so-called "Boogaloo" movement that considers itself a libertarian anti-government citizen militia that is preparing for the next American civil war. Last week, the FBI arrested three adherents to the Boogaloo movement in Nevada, charging them with inciting violence with Molotov cocktails and other explosives at protests over the death of George Floyd.

Carrillo considered himself a libertarian, Ehrhardt said, speculating that police use of force during the protests may have pushed him over the edge.

"Excessive use of force on unarmed civilians -- that was a huge thing for him," Ehrhardt said. "It was a mental tipping point for him." Ehrhardt imagined it was Carrillo's way of saying, "If I'm going to fight for something, it's going to be against the establishment."

From the official federal complaint [PDF version] just filed against Carrillo:

Based on my experience and information I have learned in the course of this investigation, I believe that "Boogaloo" is a term used by extremists to reference a violent uprising or impending civil war in the United States. I am aware that the Boogaloo movement is not a defined group, and I believe that, in general, followers of the Boogaloo ideology may identify as militia and share a narrative of inciting a violent uprising against perceived government tyranny.

The federal case against Carrillo seems pretty airtight, at this point, since the driver of the van in Oakland, Robert Alvin Justus, has "turned himself in to the F.B.I. and has come forward with information on the case." F.B.I. spokesman Jack Bennett announced the newly-filed federal charges, and explained what led to them:

Bennett said evidence developed in the case showed communication between Carrillo and others talking about using the George Floyd demonstration planned for Oakland that night as a cover to kill Underwood and wound his partner.

"We believe Carrillo and Justus chose this date because of the planned protest in Oakland," Bennett said. "It provided them to target multiple law enforcement personnel and to avoid apprehension due to the large crowds attending the demonstrations. As described in detail in the complaint, we believe Justice drove the white van."

"We believe that messages exchanged between Carrillo, Justus and others that day before the shooting in Oakland indicate a plan to travel to Oakland and attack federal enforcement officers. To be clear, Carrillo elected to travel to Oakland to conduct this murder and take advantage of a time when this nation was mourning the killing of George Floyd."

So, to review: a member of a loose-knit anti-government right-wing group decided to use the protests against the murder of George Floyd to start his own personal second Civil War by murdering a federal officer. As one of those articles noted, three other members of this group were arrested in Las Vegas for using explosives at other Floyd protests.

And yet the national media has (so far, from what I've seen) largely ignored all of this. A far-right group is hijacking the protests against police brutality to wage open warfare against the police. They are nothing short of agents provocateurs, using the cover of a protest to commit violence against the government, in the hopes of sparking further violence by the protesters.

Since the beginning of the wave of protests, President Donald Trump and Attorney General William Barr have continually tried to pin all the violence on "left-wing Antifa groups." To date, they have provided not a shred of evidence to back up this incendiary claim. There in no one in federal custody charged with being a member of Antifa, but there are now five people being held who have been linked to a violent right-wing movement. You know how I know (without even bothering to research it) that there are no Antifa members currently being charged? Because if this were the case, then Donald Trump would be talking about it roughly 50 times each and every day. The name or names would be repeated by Trump and Barr over and over and they'd be pointing the finger of blame in as big a way as they could manage. None of that has happened -- which is why I know they haven't yet found any Antifa scapegoat to blame all the violence on.

I understand why Trump and his minions have not addressed the disconnect between their anti-Antifa rhetoric and the reality of right-wing group members being arrested. It's easy to see why they would choose this political route, in other words, even if it should be condemned as nothing short of official government propaganda.

What I do not understand, however, is why the media is also largely ignoring these developments. They've drilled down in a microscopic way into all aspects of the demonstrations, but they've somehow missed this big story. Perhaps I am wrong, and perhaps the new federal charges will put this story back in the news tonight. But it's really hard to understand why this aspect of it has been downplayed to such an extent.

So, as I began, I am seeing one particular incident in the ongoing protests against police brutality with a rather unique viewpoint. I am watching a very local incident closely, in an ultra-liberal county that is mourning the death of a police officer. Today's developments in this story seem to point to much larger questions the media really should be asking -- both of themselves and of President Trump and Attorney General Barr. Because at this point, I want to know what exactly is the F.B.I. doing about the violent right-wing Boogaloo movement?

-- Chris Weigant

 

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43 Comments on “A Rather Unique Perspective”

  1. [1] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW: As one of those articles noted, three other members of this group were arrested in Las Vegas for using explosives at other Floyd protests.

    Yes, sir. Unbeknownst to them, they were infiltrated by an undercover agent of the FBI and eventually arrested on May 30 before the downtown Black Lives Matter peaceful protest where they had planned to toss Molotov cocktails at police.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/joint-terrorism-task-force-charges-three-men-who-allegedly-sought-exploit-protests-las

    Tough break for right-wing rubes and morons attempting to blame their bullshit on the peaceful protesters, but do not eff with the eff-be-I. :)

  2. [2] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    OK, to give credit where it is due...

    I watched the broadcast evening news tonight, and this story was indeed covered, complete with the Boogaloo links. NBC in particular did a good job of it.

    I am glad this isn't just a local story and has now risen to the level of national news once again.

    -CW

  3. [3] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I am so sorry, Chris, to read about the death of Federal Protective Services officer Dave Underwood.

    What gets lost in all of the recent protests is the knowledge that police officers put their lives on the line every day to protect us and we don't thank them enough for making that sacrifice.

  4. [4] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    What president Trump and his minions are doing here is not surprising but, that doesn't make it any less reprehensible.

    And, that goes double for AG Barr.

    One of these days, if there is a scintilla of justice in this world of ours, Barr and Trump, et al. will receive their just comeuppance.

  5. [5] 
    Kick wrote:

    Here is a link to the charges against the Las Vegas right-wing perps:

    https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nvd.143703/gov.uscourts.nvd.143703.1.0_1.pdf

    Lynam is currently an Army Reservist, Parshall was formerly enlisted in the Navy, and Loomis was formerly enlisted in the Air Force. They self-identified to the FBI as part of the "Boogaloo" movement.

    It's some interesting reading wherein FBI UCE infiltrated a group of these right-wing extremists who'd planned to target the power converter within one of the NV Energy power substations in Las Vegas.

    The reason this is not front and center and headlines on page 1 in bold with Trump and Barr talking about it endlessly and on permanent loop is precisely because it is right-wingnut conspirators.

  6. [6] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Chris,

    I'm guessing that the perspective you write about is not at all as unique as you may imagine it to be.

    Americans are good people, by and large. And, I know they grieve across the country for the fallen officer, Dave Underwood.

  7. [7] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Dunno about Barr, our modern day Benedict Arnold. But SDNY is waiting for Trump on January 22, 2021.

  8. [8] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Yeah, right wing for real terrorists and unidentified and therefore unaccountable Secret Police?

    Signs that the Apocalypse is upon America?

  9. [9] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    As for the rest of this column, it scares me.

  10. [10] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Oh'tay, that may have been a touch over the top...

    But I never dreamed I'd see either of these Insanities in America.

    Or is it, just me?

  11. [11] 
    Kick wrote:

    Here is another right-winger arrested in New Mexico tonight:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/16/albuquerque-militia-shooting-protest/

  12. [12] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    My bad for not reading the whole article right away.

    Just took time to read it more carefully now, and I think I'm right to say that people in the state of California are not the only ones mourning the death of these TWO law men, Federal Protective Services officer Dave Underwood and Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller and the attempted murder of several other deputies in a case that should be getting proper coverage on all the major news outlets.

    Thanks for this very important piece.

  13. [13] 
    John M from Ct. wrote:

    I have getting cranky about seeing men carrying weapons and threatening assemblies being called 'militia'. I know that is the term they apply to themselves, trying to pretend they are the modern-day incarnations of the citizens-in-arms that the American colonies and states maintained to combat Indian and slave uprisings before the National Guard was organized. But the U.S. no longer has a militia system.

    I wish the media would get real and stop helping these nuts with their delusional propaganda. They are "armed terrorist gangs", not militia. If that's too long for a good lead, call them "armed gangs".

    On your concerns that the story of the killings of law enforcement officers in California by right-wing nuts hasn't been getting coverage, I have to disagree. I remember reading about it as it happened, including the encouraging news that the FBI had infiltrated and brought down the mini-terrorist cell that was plotting to spread chaos and death. I know the FBI has been under pressure from Barr and Trump to follow the party line that there is no such thing as white supremacist domestic terrorism, but at least some of those agents know a threat to the public safety when they see it.

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    What gets lost in all of the recent protests is the knowledge that police officers put their lives on the line every day to protect us and we don't thank them enough for making that sacrifice.

    You are correct, Liz..

    None of ya'all thank those police officers enough for what they do..

    But ya'all are sure quick enough to attack them and call them racist without ANY facts to support the claim.

    Yea.. THAT comes real quick from ya'all... :eyeroll:

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    I am still waiting for someone... ANYONE... to give me any FACTS that prove racism in these 2 latest shootings..???

  16. [16] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    The two latest shootings prove that some officers don't know how to do their jobs properly. Which just makes the jobs of competent officers all that more difficult.

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    The two latest shootings prove that some officers don't know how to do their jobs properly.

    And your FACTS that indicate this??? Any FACTS at all???

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'll ask the question a 3rd time..

    Is it possible in ya'all's eyes that a white police officer can shoot a black person and it be justified??

    Is that possible??

    What would that scenario look like???

    Ya'all's silence on this question is very telling...

  19. [19] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [14]

    Liz,

    What gets lost in all of the recent protests is the knowledge that police officers put their lives on the line every day to protect us and we don't thank them enough for making that sacrifice.

    You are correct, Liz..

    None of ya'all thank those police officers enough for what they do..

    I dunno, Michale. I've been known to tell a LEO parked on the side of the road, "On behalf of the public, we appreciate the fact that without you guys we don't have civilization."

    I live in a resort community at 7000 feet and law enforcement is stretched pretty thin up here, so I've only gotten to do this a handful of times.

    You see, I figure that because you, I and everyone else hates bad cops, it's important to give a shout out to the good ones.

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    MC,

    I dunno, Michale. I've been known to tell a LEO parked on the side of the road, "On behalf of the public, we appreciate the fact that without you guys we don't have civilization."

    That doesn't surprise me..

    Why not mention that in Weigantia when the Peanut Gallery is going on and on about racist cops without any supporting FACTS...

    Sure would be nice to see someone besides me and (to a lesser extent) Russ stepping up and defending cops..

    I dunno, Michale. I've been known to tell a LEO parked on the side of the road, "On behalf of the public, we appreciate the fact that without you guys we don't have civilization."

    Agreed... But it's even MORE important to have FACTS to support when ya'all label a good cop "a bad one"..

    Wouldn't you agree with that???

    I could go on and on and list the cops that were good cops who did the right thing but were attacked and denigrated by the Weigantian Peanut Gallery... WITHOUT any facts to support, I might add..

    Take Officer Chauvin for instance..

    NO ONE here can give me any facts to indicate he did something wrong...

    Officer Rolf in Atlanta... Same thing..

    NO FACTS to support he did anything wrong..

    Hence my question...

    Is it possible in ya'all's eyes that a white police officer can shoot a black person and it be justified??

    Is that possible??

    What would that scenario look like???

    Wanna take a stab at it?? :D

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    Pittsburgh Steelers Will Fine ANY Player Kneeling For The Anthem $1 Million
    https://dailyworldupdate.us/pittsburgh-steelers-will-fine-any-player-kneeling-for-the-anthem-1-million/?fbclid=IwAR17QKYRfziDc6q5dafISm_Vp_nOHQ4pseWR5BmjBfVM6Ocspbd4AAWNWgQ

    GOOD... That's how it should be...

    These players are at work.. They "work" as their bosses (Coaches) tell them to..

    If they refuse, they are fired....

    There are no 1st Amendment Rights when yer on someone else's clock...

    It's really that simple..

  22. [22] 
    Michale wrote:

    "The only way to end racism is to stop talking about it..."
    -Morgan Freeman

    Could not POSSIBLY agree more...

    It's not a coincidence that the Democrat Party is the Party that can't stop talking about racism...

  23. [23] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://sjfm.us/pics/Funeral.jpg

    ^^^^^^ THIS is what is wrong with the Democrat Party..

    Their priorities are so far out of whack, they haven't seen reality in decades...

    Democrats need to stop judging black Americans by the color of their skin and START judging black Americans on the strength (or in these cases, lack thereof) character...

    It's a bona fide fact that Officer Rolf and Officer Chauvin did this country a favor by removing these criminals from the gene pool..

    Who knows how many innocent lives have been saved by removing this drunk driver and this kid-beating and kidnapping scumbag from society....

    Like I say... Quit judging them by the color of their skin and start judging them based on their actions..

    Can't make it any simpler than that...

    And before ya'all start throwing around the 'racist' word, it's a bona fide fact that I would say the exact same thing if these scumbags were white, brown, red, or green....

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Rural America, we are coming.."
    -AntiFa

    "BRING IT ON!!"
    -Rural America

    http://sjfm.us/pics/ruralamerica.jpg

    :D

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    http://sjfm.us/pics/zipcode.jpg

    "Never mess with a man who can end your life from a different zip code"

    I'm just sayin'......

  26. [26] 
    C. R. Stucki wrote:

    I see where the Quake Oats Co. is dropping the image of Aunt Jemima from their syrup and pancake mix, also Uncle Ben has to go from rice products. Local Idaho high schools are doing away with their Indian team name and mascots.

    Raises the question in my mind about the old Quaker guy on the oats cartons, and Colonel Sanders on McDonalds advertising??

    Do white images have to go also, or do they need to be replaced with black images??

    Maybe some of you Weigantian PC authorities could explain for me?

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    Seattle Autonomous Zone AntiFa Special Forces
    http://sjfm.us/pics/CHAZsf.jpg

    BBBWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    AntiFa is hilarious.. :D

  28. [28] 
    Michale wrote:

    CRS,

    Maybe some of you Weigantian PC authorities could explain for me?

    Good luck with that..

    They can't even tell me what Officer Chauvin or Officer Rolf did wrong..

    Hell, they can't even point to ANY institutionalized Racism beyond Affirmative Action...

    Do ya think they can explain about Aunt Jemima???

  29. [29] 
    Michale wrote:

    Democrats are gonna run on the CANCEL CULTURE

    The vast majority of Americans *HATE* the CANCEL CULTURE...

    End result??? President Trump coasts to re-election... :D

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    I GOT IT!!!!

    I got the PERFECT WAGER for anyone who has the strength of their predictions... Who actually BELIEVE what they are spewing....

    The loser pays the winner's Holiday Donations to Weigantia starting Thanksgiving... :D

    In my case, my donations are .50 cents per comment from Thanksgiving to New Years Day....

    Any takers??? :D

    To date, I have wagers pending with JL and JM...

    Anyone else wanna join the party??? :D

    All ya gotta do is actually believe what ya are spewing with regards to the Nov Presidential Election.. :D

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    Fired Atlanta officer faces counts including murder in Rayshard Brooks killing, could face death penalty
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/rayshard-brooks-atlanta-officer-garrett-rolfe-murder-charges-death-penalty-eligible

    This is SOOO what is wrong with Democrats these days...

    They are so blinded by their hate and bigotry that they want to put to death a cop.. And why??

    BECAUSE HE DID HIS JOB!!!

    How Democrats can look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me...

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    I mean, HONESTLY!!!

    In what crazy frak'ed up world are we in where a cop can be PUT TO DEATH for doing his job and taking some drunk ass scumbag criminal out of the gene pool!!????

  33. [33] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    The federal government has told local law enforcement that there is no known AntiFa group activity involved in the Seattle protests. If they ain’t here....they ain’t anywhere!

    AntiFa has always been a fictional boogeyman created to trigger the Right’s worst fear-responses. It was just a favorite conspiracy theory topic for right-wing message boards. Since the WTO riots in ‘99, I think some people have used the name “AntiFa” for “Anarchists” interchangeably or just incorrectly. I have seen Anarchists in Seattle....I have never seen AntiFa.

    As I told Michale the other day, the only times I remember ever seeing anyone claiming to be AntiFa taking responsibility for rioting they started was when they protested the book-tours of the right-wing’s version of D-list celebrities. “AntiFa” chose to lead violent protests where Milo YanksItTooMuch, a gay, British far-right pundit was speaking and pushing a new book??? What could he have been saying that anyone would want to silence no matter the cost? Milo was virtually unknown to the regular world until AntiFa decided to silence his First Amendment rights.

    Think about that for just a second...”AntiFa”, which supposedly is “AntiFascist”, is going to riot in order to silence someone for having thoughts they do not like? Sounds kinda fascist to me! But this went right along with FoxNews’ claims that liberals want to stomp all over the First Amendment! When A-list conservative pundits spoke at schools, Anti-Fa failed to riot... but oh boy did they love to give free press to the ones no one cared about!

    Yeah, that makes sense!

  34. [34] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    None of ya'all thank those police officers enough for what they do..

    Says the man who has stolen honor from those that actually serve in law enforcement by lying about his own work history. Michale, you were possibly an MP in the military...even that is questionable, but you were never a member of law enforcement for any city or county police force. Your lies about being a LEO dishonors those that gave their lives in the line of duty!

    I’d be happy to repost all of your past lies for everyone to read for themselves if you’d like... they are your words, after all.

  35. [35] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    20

    Why not mention that in Weigantia when the Peanut Gallery is going on and on about racist cops without any supporting FACTS...

    Well, see, it's like this: Weigantia doesn't have a damn "Peanut Gallery," but if it did have one, you'd be the lone nut. My apologies for referring to you as the "lone nut" when there's more likely than not at least one other that would likewise qualify.

    I do not recall a time when anyone other than you went "on and on about racist" anything. Why don't you provide the examples wherein anyone here used the term "racist cops" over and over. There have been discussions about systemic racism in police departments, but that's not the same thing you're portraying.

    Sure would be nice to see someone besides me and (to a lesser extent) Russ stepping up and defending cops..

    Sure would be nice if you'd "get a clue" that none of the commenters on this board are here to post to please the Peanut Gallery. You have this tendency to overly focus on the commenters on this board and whine and moan about what we're not saying that would make you happy. Are you somehow under the hysterical impression that people come here with the primary goal of producing posts that will make you happy? It's a conundrum you could clear up with a simple "yes" or "no" answer. Should everyone endeavor to post to please you? Yes or no.

    I dunno, Michale. I've been known to tell a LEO parked on the side of the road, "On behalf of the public, we appreciate the fact that without you guys we don't have civilization. ~ MtnCaddy

    It seems I am not the only one who doesn't limit our thoughts to this forum. Apparently there are people who have a life outside the confines of these comment boxes. Well, who knew!?

    I could go on and on and list the cops that were good cops who did the right thing but were attacked and denigrated by the Weigantian Peanut Gallery... WITHOUT any facts to support, I might add..

    Well, you do go "on and on" whining a lot, but you don't seem all too interested in facts. Opinions are not facts.

    Take Officer Chauvin for instance..

    NO ONE here can give me any facts to indicate he did something wrong...

    FACT: Chauvin isn't an officer.
    FACT: Chauvin was fired and charged with multiple counts of murder.
    FACT: You frequently claim no one gives facts when lots of people are doing it.
    FACT: That's why people discuss things and leave you out of it.

    Officer Rolf in Atlanta... Same thing..

    FACT: It's Rolfe.
    FACT: Rolfe is not an officer either. He got fired.
    FACT: Rolfe has been charged with eleven counts, including murder.
    FACT: Never told Brooks he was under arrest.
    FACT: Didn't follow procedure.
    FACT: Shot a man in the back twice.

    NO FACTS to support he did anything wrong..

    Plenty of facts, and with eleven counts of various assorted charges including murder, multiple weapons charges... that whole "duty to intervene" (a fact that applies also to the Floyd case), I would wager without hesitation that there will be a conviction on at least one of them.

    Is it possible in ya'all's eyes that a white police officer can shoot a black person and it be justified??

    Yes.

    Is that possible??

    Yes, of course.

    What would that scenario look like???

    It's a stupid question designed to keep the discussion focused on other posters versus political issues. I would wager that is the reason no one wants to discuss it with you... in addition to your inherent inability to grasp facts while constantly whining that none have been offered, of course.

  36. [36] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [22] Michale

    You are so right. The absolute best way to solve any festering problem is not to talk about it. When the weather warms up, it miraculously disappears! <- Not a direct quote from anyone, but it captures the gist.

  37. [37] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    21

    These players are at work.. They "work" as their bosses (Coaches) tell them to..

    The coaches aren't their "bosses." The coaches are more like their supervisors, and the athletes are employed by their respective football clubs.

    Do you even read the bullshit you post? Or just the headlines? Read it, dumb ass:

    Pittsburgh Steelers Will Fine ANY Player Kneeling For The Anthem $1 Million

    * Flagg Eagleton * Satire You Can Kneel To

    The NFL has decided to roll back its rule against players kneeling during the national anthem, but that doesn’t mean the teams have to comply. According to our source inside the Steelers’ organization, the management has made it clear that they won’t stand for kneeling.

    Vice President of Football Operations, Art Tubolls, says the decision was an easy one to make:

    “It’s simple, really. We want our Western Pennsylvanian hicks to be happy. This is largely a Trump-supporting town of pseudo-patriots, and we need to make sure they don’t go boycotting the team. So, while we don’t like ignoring the fact that these are perfectly legitimate protests, we also don’t like losing money. So players and coaches alike will do as they’re told or pay a steep price.”

    Tubolls says the fines will also extend to visiting teams, and that if they don’t like it, they’re welcome to sit in the locker room during the anthem where nobody can see them expressing their opinions. “There is no opinion. Our fans are pretty racist. We’re not willing to piss them off. They only like black people when they score touchdowns.”

    ... continued

    If they refuse, they are fired....

    Like the headline says: "ANY" player kneeling. Oh, and "the fines will also extend to visiting teams, and that if they don’t like it, they’re welcome to sit in the locker room during the anthem where nobody can see them expressing their opinions." *ROTFLMAO*

    There are no 1st Amendment Rights when yer on someone else's clock...

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. The First Amendment contains rights that definitely apply to people who work for other people. If you weren't a dumb ass, you'd probably stop posting stupid shit like this.

    But back to that satire you posted as fact:

    * "They won't stand for kneeling."
    * "A Trump-supporting town of pseudo-patriots."
    * "Our fans are pretty racist."
    * "They only like black people when they score touchdowns."
    * "The white players have it rough, having to appear as though they care..."

    *laughs*

    It is a fact that there are a large portion of rubes who don't quite grasp the concept of spoofing; nuance just isn't something they're capable of processing. Is your mind so damn simple that you can't ascertain satire when you see it?

    It's really that simple..

    *laughs*

  38. [38] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    22

    "The only way to end racism is to stop talking about it..."
    -Morgan Freeman

    Could not POSSIBLY agree more...

    We've covered this before, but it's no surprise you can't remember shit. You're misquoting the man again and still taking his words out of context... a fairly normal occurrence for you:

    [26] Kick wrote:

    Michale
    4

    "There is a very simple way to get rid of racism. Stop talking about it"
    -Odumbo Voter Morgan Freeman

    Can you very simply get rid of a fabricating poster like Michale if you stop talking about him? Does it surprise anyone that the uneducated goober misquoted someone yet again? I doubt it.

    The conversation Michale is referring to occurred on 60 Minutes. Freeman didn't say: "There is a very simple way to get rid of racism."

    Obviously, if you listen to what he actually said in context, he was saying he didn't feel the need to be "classified" as anything except an American.

    WALLACE: Black History Month, you find …

    FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

    WALLACE: Why?

    FREEMAN: You’re going to relegate my history to a month?

    WALLACE: Come on.

    FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

    WALLACE: I’m Jewish.

    FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

    WALLACE: There isn’t one.

    FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

    WALLACE: No, no.

    FREEMAN: I don’t either. I don’t want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

    WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism until …?

    FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I’m going to stop calling you a white man. And I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You’re not going to say, “I know this white guy named Mike Wallace.” Hear what I’m saying?

    If you're stupid enough to believe this interview meant that Morgan Freeman believed racism would disappear if no one talked about it, then you're moron enough to fall for the Trump Con and stupid enough to worship at the alter of Benedict Donald a.k.a Treasonous Trump. #Misquote #Gullible

    http://www.chrisweigant.com/2018/08/01/arkansas-highpoint-and-gangster-museums/#comment-123941

    I can keep reposting these facts until they "sink in" since your memory has issues of being practically nonexistent. :)

  39. [39] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    33

    Yep!

  40. [40] 
    Kick wrote:

    Russ
    34

    Yep!

  41. [41] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    I see where the Quake Oats Co. is dropping the image of Aunt Jemima from their syrup and pancake mix, also Uncle Ben has to go from rice products. Local Idaho high schools are doing away with their Indian team name and mascots.

    Raises the question in my mind about the old Quaker guy on the oats cartons, and Colonel Sanders on McDonalds advertising??

    Do white images have to go also, or do they need to be replaced with black images??

    Maybe some of you Weigantian PC authorities could explain for me?

    Easy peasey question, C.R.S. --

    I talked it over with the Comrades and there's broad conseses that Colonel Sanders can STAY.

    If... he gets a sex change operation.

  42. [42] 
    Chris Weigant wrote:

    LizM [6] -

    They held the funeral for Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller here yesterday, and it was a big event. Helicopters in "missing man" formation flew all around the county while it happened. His wife is pregnant, making it all the more tragic.

    John M from Ct. [13] -

    I hope so. I remember when, during Dubya's reign, someone at the FBI (? I think?) got reamed for suggesting that a whole lot of returning soldiers were being recruited into rightwing violent organizations. The GOP was aghast... that anyone would even suggest such a thing was real. Dubya, as I recall, then disbanded the group at the FBI who had been tasked to track rightwing violent groups.

    I thought about adding a historical paragraph or two to say "this is nothing new," since it's been going on for almost the entire history of the FBI (see J. Edgar Hoover and COINTELPRO) and even before, with the "red squads." Leftwing groups are scrutinized heavily, but the rightwing ones never seem to get much attention. 'Twas always thus...

    Michale [18] -

    OK, I'll admit that some white cops can shoot a black man and it was justified. But you've got to admit that racist cops do in fact exist. Not every cop is racist -- far from it. But it's not some sort of myth. So turnabout is fair play -- can you admit that?

    ListenWhenYouHear [33] -

    Heard one interesting comment the other day: "Back in World War II, the entire U.S. Army was 'Antifa.'"

    Heh.

    MtnCaddy [41] -

    I definitely think that reviving Col Sanders by dressing others up as him is a really stupid thing for KFC to do, mostly because it turns him into a caricature. Granted, he was pretty close to a caricature even when alive, but they seem to have no respect for his memory at all.

    Not saying I'm a big fan of CS or anything, just that the new ads are really stupid, that's all.

    -CW

  43. [43] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [20]

    I might have to file a complaint with the PD that Russ's husband works for.. Shouldn't be too difficult to ascertain which Department he works for.. Russ has left plenty of clues..

    Yep.. I think a complaint is definitely warranted...

    Wow. You just pulled a Trump! You, a private citizen(!) just mimicked Cheetogod by threatening some form of legal woe upon someone for speaking out.

    Do you get a special badge or patch for emulating Trump like that? You know, in yer Trump club?

    Michale you are living the dream, man! The Cheetogod's Vision for America® dream. Way to go "all in."

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