A Non-Traditional Idea For Joe Biden To Consider
In the midst of what can only be called a non-traditional presidential campaign, Joe Biden might want to consider breaking another political tradition, by releasing a very early shortlist of possible nominees to his cabinet. Such a move is not without risks, of course, which is one of the reasons why traditionally it just isn't done. But the benefits may outweigh such risks in this particular campaign.
Let's start with the possible drawbacks of releasing an early shortlist. In the first place, it has always been considered "unseemly" to do so before the election is won. It smacks of overconfidence, of counting unhatched chickens. Or, to use a more apt political metaphor, it would be seen as prematurely "measuring the Oval Office drapes" in anticipation of an upcoming redecoration.
A more important consideration is that a presidential nominee wants to have the entire party behind them in as big a way as possible throughout the campaign. If shortlists were revealed that were missing some prominent names, then these individuals might not put their full effort into being effective campaign surrogates for the candidate. This is a very real risk indeed, as having everyone fully on board is ideally the way to go. You never know what particular constituency might be swayed by an argument from any one politician, and if that person is absent from the campaign effort it could mean losing some votes that might have otherwise been won.
A third risk is a particular one for sitting officeholders who are in the midst of their own re-election efforts. If Biden says that Congresswoman Smith or Senator Jones is at the top of his list for secretary of this department or that, then it might dampen voter enthusiasm for them in their home state or district. Why elect someone who is just going to be immediately replaced? The measure of this risk varies by how safe a seat the politician currently holds, of course. If they are from an overwhelmingly blue state, then this risk would obviously be lessened.
These are all very real risks, but they might be outweighed by the benefits Biden might reap by releasing his shortlist early. The first and most obvious of these would be to get the entire Democratic Party fully engaged with and excited about his campaign. Currently, the political punditry is doing what they always do around this stage in the campaign, which is to play guessing games over who will be selected as Biden's running mate. By releasing a shortlist of cabinet considerations even before the vice-presidential pick is announced, it would dilute the "veepstakes" obsession considerably. Or perhaps Biden could release his cabinet picks at the same time as he announces his choice for running mate, which would avoid even-more-obsessive speculation along the lines of: "Senator Jones is obviously not going to be Joe's veep, since he's on the shortlist to run the State Department!" This could also avoid another problem -- disappointment from those voters who don't agree with Biden's veep choice. If your favored candidate wasn't chosen for Biden's number two spot, you might feel a lot better knowing they were at the top of the list for Treasury, to put it another way.
Biden is going to disappoint one faction of Democrats or another with his running mate selection -- that's already baked into the cake. Right now, the two demographics (with a lot of overlap) he should be most concerned about are young voters and progressives. These are the groups Biden didn't exactly win over in a big way during the primaries, and these are also the Democratic voters with the most suspicion and mistrust over exactly how progressive a Biden administration might wind up being. Importantly, a lot of this mistrust exists because of their past disappointment with Barack Obama's initial cabinet picks, which were a lot more establishment and mainstream than many Democratic voters expected. For instance, if Biden chooses Elizabeth Warren as his running mate, then this will go a long way towards reassuring progressives. But if he chooses someone more establishment instead (say, Amy Klobuchar) then these doubts will only be magnified. And Biden really needs young voters and progressives to get enthused about his campaign. If he takes a pass on Warren (or any other staunch progressive) then putting a whole lot of progressive names on his cabinet shortlists would go a long way towards healing the breach.
Biden announcing a cabinet shortlist would certainly make a splash in the political world, which is another big benefit. The presidential campaign has been all but pushed onto the back burner by all the current crises happening, but Donald Trump is looking to jumpstart media attention for his own campaign by beginning to hold rallies again. Biden's got to do something to counteract this effort, to get his name and face in the news in a prominent way. A cabinet shortlist would achieve this, because the pundits would love dissecting it in great detail.
As for the voters, well, it's hard to say how big an effect this would have, mostly because it is so unprecedented. I personally can't remember any presidential candidate releasing a cabinet shortlist during the campaign season, at least in modern times. But there is some precedent for shoring up the base by doing so from none other than Donald Trump. Four years ago, during the campaign, Trump released a list of his possible choices for Supreme Court nominations. At the time, it was obvious that the next president would get to make such a choice on his or her first day in office, since Mitch McConnell was playing politics with a Supreme Court vacancy. So it was extremely relevant. Trump released a list of staunch conservative picks which went a long way towards unifying the Republican base behind his candidacy. Many mainstream Republicans were very worried about Trump at the time, if you'll remember, because they didn't see him as being a true-blue conservative. They had reason to worry, because Trump was obviously not very ideologically-minded about a whole host of issues -- he'd say one thing one day and then completely reverse his position the next. So conservative concerns ran deep. By releasing his Supreme Court shortlist, Trump assuaged a great deal of this worry. This could work out in similar fashion for Biden with all kinds of Democrats.
Different factions -- especially those that are made up of essentially "one-issue voters" -- feel very strongly about different things. Some Democrats are most concerned about Biden's possible economic policies, while others are more concerned about other key issues (climate change, racial justice, immigration, women's rights, etc.). For some groups, the secretary of the Treasury will be the most important cabinet choice Biden makes (other than vice president). For others, it may be who heads the Labor Department or Homeland Security. Some cabinet members who don't usually generate much attention will be closely watched this time around, too. In particular, Biden's selection to lead the Department of Education will have a lot of work to do to clean up the mess left behind by Betsy DeVos.
Joe Biden would indeed set a new precedent if he let the voters know who he's thinking about for his closest advisors. This list could even extend to key non-cabinet-level positions as well. Democrats seem ready for Biden to have a sort of "team of rivals" within his administration, who span the entire Democratic spectrum of ideas. This way he would be not be surrounded by members solely chosen from one faction or another, and he would thus get the varied advice that good presidents require.
The 2020 election season has already been knocked for a loop by social distancing and unrest in the streets. It is already a non-traditional campaign, in other words. So there's less reason to hew to previous political traditions for the remainder of it. Joe Biden should at least seriously consider setting a new precedent by releasing a shortlist of the people he is currently considering to flesh out his administration. His running mate selection will obviously be the biggest news in this regard, but revealing who else might wind up being his closest advisors would also help define the direction of a possible Biden presidency for the voters.
-- Chris Weigant
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Let's start with the possible drawbacks of releasing an early shortlist. In the first place, it has always been considered "unseemly" to do so before the election is won. It smacks of overconfidence, of counting unhatched chickens.
Well, I think Biden is preparing for the presidency in a number of ways already and has been since he became the unofficial Democratic nominee for president - the night of the South Carolina primary.
So, he's already acting like a non-traditional Democratic nominee for president. I think an early announcement of cabinet nominees is just one non-traditional idea he is currently considering. I don't think, this time around, that any of it smacks as anything other than demonstrating a deep knowledge and awareness of that will be on his plate when he assumes the office of the president of the United States.
Can you think of another nominee for POTUS who will be more prepared and better equipped to hit the ground running than Senator Biden!?
And, does this mean that we can start guessing who all of those nominees should and will be? :)
If I was advising Biden, I'd say don't do it!
But, that's just because I know who I'd like to see in the most prominent cabinet positions and they would definitely turn off quite a lot of Democrats … to the point of staying home or not sending in a mail-in ballot. Ahem.
I have always said that I wished candidates would give us a “wish-list” for who their dream cabinet would be... to me they are just as important, if not more important, than who their VP pick will be.
The VP is important, but they are only as powerful and active in the government as the elected president allows them to be. That is why I would love to see Kamala Harris as Biden’s Attorney General...a position I think she would be incredible at!
I'd like to see James Comey as AG. Shhhhh … don't tell anyone I said that.
Kamala Harris did a pretty good job of ruining it for herself. And, that says it all.
I'd like to see John Kerry or William Burns at State.
Don't even ask who I'd love to see at Treasury. Too many heads would explode! :)
And, I ain't talkin' about Elizabet Warren. I'd put her at the head of the CFPB.
Anyone here who has been paying attention already knows
People are paying attention?
Well, fuck me.
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But, that's just because I know who I'd like to see in the most prominent cabinet positions and they would definitely turn off quite a lot of Democrats … to the point of staying home or not sending in a mail-in ballot. Ahem.
Naw, I think more Democratic voters would be turned on rather than turned off by a pre-election "shadow cabinet." In contrast, if Obama had announced Tim Geithner BEFORE the election of 2008 I think it would have hurt him.
Biden wins if enough Progressives, minorities and young people show up. It's why I hope he picked Warren for VP, even if she's 70-something.
I am impressed!
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Elizabeth Miller wrote:
Don't even ask who I'd love to see at Treasury. Too many heads would explode! :)
I'll bite! Whom?
Um, Hunter Biden at Treasury?
Okay, Dennis Kucinich
Day-yam! Caint get no Elizabeth Miller to pay attention to me!
Liz,
Well, fuck me.
I need this today...it put the biggest smile on my face.
R
One thing that the national Democratic organisation could big up is the number of outstanding women who could be chosen for top roles. And the number of qualified people from immigrant and minority communities, not just white males.
Before the usual suspects get their knickers in a twist, note that this means a pool of qualified people who of course include white males, but isn't restricted to that group. Unlike those who will appoint a D-list white male just because he is a white male and they won't look at anyone else.
The Biden campaign could follow a similar line: 'Just look at the standard of people who could serve with me. I'd be proud and delighted to work with any of them. It's almost an embarrassment of riches.'
That would give an idea of his thinking without committing him to a specific name for a specific role, and allow for the fact that some of these people might want to think twice about whether they should give up their present job (eg, governor or senator/committee chair). And it could highlight good people who aren't necessarily featured by the press otherwise.
FPC,
Russ,
The federal government has told local law enforcement that there is no known AntiFa group activity involved in the Seattle protests. If they ain’t here....they ain’t anywhere!
Yea and the Federal Government ALSO said that President Trump colluded with the Russians and committed impeachable crime.. It's so cute that you actually believe the Federal Government when they say what you want to hear...
AntiFa has always been a fictional boogeyman created to trigger the Right’s worst fear-responses.
Yea, that's what Democrats want the world to believe... Too bad the photo documentation and witness accounts PROVES otherwise..
Think about that for just a second...”AntiFa”, which supposedly is “AntiFascist”, is going to riot in order to silence someone for having thoughts they do not like? Sounds kinda fascist to me! But this went right along with FoxNews’ claims that liberals want to stomp all over the First Amendment! When A-list conservative pundits spoke at schools, Anti-Fa failed to riot... but oh boy did they love to give free press to the ones no one cared about!
Exactly.. That's the irony of there existence.. Thay claim to be anti fascist, but yet utilize the tactics of the fasctists..
It's kinda like how the Democrat Party CLAIMS to be the for black Americans yet the Democrat Party are still the slave owners like telling black Americans that if you don't vote Dem your not black and stuff like..
Your Party is full of ironies like that...
FPC,
Russ,
As I have said dozens of times and it's never been successfully refuted..
My Public Safety (LEO, Military FSO and Security) bona fides are WELL ESTABLISHED.. And that just burns you up, Russ, eh?? :D
I’d be happy to repost all of your past lies for everyone to read for themselves if you’d like... they are your words, after all.
I have told you repeatedly to do so.. And yet, you have failed every time to do it..
Because you don't have squat... You know it.. I know it... Everyone else here knows it.. :D
Yer a Fraud Russ.. Pure and simple.. Live with that..
FPC,
MyVoice
[22] Michale
You are so right. The absolute best way to solve any festering problem is not to talk about it. When the weather warms up, it miraculously disappears! <- Not a direct quote from anyone, but it captures the gist.
I am not sure what you mean, MV..
[22] from the last commentary is me asking Liz for any facts that support her claims that Officers Chauvin & Rolf did something wrong..
Perhaps you can actually quote the comment you mean, because obviously our numbering system is different..
Thanx...
CW,
These are all very real risks, but they might be outweighed by the benefits Biden might reap by releasing his shortlist early. The first and most obvious of these would be to get the entire Democratic Party fully engaged with and excited about his campaign
That's a good point.. Joe MCRapist Biden ain't generating a lot of excitement for the Democrat Party.. In THAT area McRapist is gonna need all the help he can get...
Biden announcing a cabinet shortlist would certainly make a splash in the political world, which is another big benefit. The presidential campaign has been all but pushed onto the back burner by all the current crises happening, but Donald Trump is looking to jumpstart media attention for his own campaign by beginning to hold rallies again. Biden's got to do something to counteract this effort, to get his name and face in the news in a prominent way. A cabinet shortlist would achieve this, because the pundits would love dissecting it in great detail.
Com'on CW... Let's face reality here..
NOTHING Biden can do will overshadow a President Trump rally...
NO... THING...
Biden should save hisself a whole buttload of humiliation and just drop out of the race..
Let's once again, face reality... There really isn't anything that can get the American people excited.. Biden simply can't compare to President Trump in that regard..
The harder Biden try the worse and more desperate he looks...
Your Democrat Party has really gone off the deep end..
It's a PSYCHOSIS with Democrats....
First it was Aunt Jemima... Then Uncle Ben was taken to the hangin' tree....
Now it's the Rice Crispy Trio that's gonna get cancelled...
I mean, honestly people.. Your Democrat Party has truly all American identity..
Real patriotic Americans don't at like this...
This entire cop killing black Americans can be summed up with a picture....
http://sjfm.us/pics/black&white.jpg
The problem we have here is the problem being ignored by the totality of the Democrat Party...
Interesting factoid...
http://sjfm.us/pics/trump1.jpg
In over 30 years in the public eye, President Trump was NEVER EVER, NOT ONE EVER accused of racism..
Right up to the point that Trump decided to run against Democrats..
Think about that for a while... Kinda puts the who PRESIDENT TRUMP IS RACIST bullshit in perspective...
At least to those who have free will and speak for themselves...
Kinda puts all the racist claims in their proper context, eh?? :D
CW-
It seems to me that Biden is reinventing the old "front porch campaign" in the digital age. To the extent that the short list serves him as surrogate campaigners it is a good idea. If the shorts squabble or hog the mike it would be counter productive.
Liz,
Kamala Harris did a pretty good job of ruining it for herself. And, that says it all.
Agreed... If Kamala I SLEPT-MY-WAY-TO-THE-TOP Harris can't even run a campaign, she is obviously not prepared to be POTUS...
Well, fuck me.
ELIZABETH MIDDLE-NAME MILLER!!!!!
:D
TS,
It seems to me that Biden is reinventing the old "front porch campaign" in the digital age.
I think you are on to something there..
The vast majority of Americans picture Biden on an old rocking chair with a quilt on his lap.. Talking to himself and yelling at the kids to stay off his lawn...
I think you nailed it on the head, Stig...
Kudos... :D
Biden's VP pick is going to be whomever's hair smells the prettiest...
That's why it's sure to be Chuck Schumer.... :D
Is he a woman?
Russ,
I'm glad. :)
I don't remember posting that, though … ahem.
Must have been watching Homeland, or something.
MtnCaddy,
In contrast, if Obama had announced Tim Geithner BEFORE the election of 2008 I think it would have hurt him.
Specifically precise.
EM
11
Well, fuck me.
I would, but I have standards... potty mouth. ;)
MC,
So, I take it, since you havn't give idea one about Police Reform, you concede that no reform is required..
I accept your concession.. :D
Like Darren Wilson, George Zimmerman, Ray Tessing and Daniel Pantaleo before them...
Officer Derek Chauvin and Officer Garret Rolff did absolutely NOTHING wrong....
With no facts to the contrary, this is the ONLY logical conclusion possible...
Like Darren Wilson and Ray Tessing and Daniel Pantaleo, the situation dies down, and their cases will be quietly dismissed in the cold objective light of reality...
To be hired on other Departments who agree that the officers were railroaded by racism and Political Correctness run amok...
Everyone has a happy ending..
The scumbag's families get a huge cash ghetto lottery payout and the Officers are returned to the duty they love, sadder, but wiser...
I like this Biden tag team idea... to the limited extent that it's used to unite the Democratic Party and GOTV... get out the vote.
Also: Supreme Court blocks Trump from ending DACA.
Winning! *shakes head*
In a dissent joined by fellow conservatives Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote that the majority decision “must be recognized for what it is: an effort to avoid a politically controversial but legally correct decision.”
“Today the majority makes the mystifying determination that this rescission of DACA was unlawful. In reaching that conclusion, the majority acts as though it is engaging in the routine application of standard principles of administrative law. On the contrary, this is anything but a standard administrative law case,” Thomas wrote.
So, basically, the Trump Administration has to re-word the order to what Chief Justice Roberts likes and 'viola.. Another SCOTUS win for President Trump.. And another loss for the Dumbocrat Party.. :D
Easy Peazy Lemon Squeezy
:D
Judge Napolitano on Rayshard Brooks case: Murder charge against Atlanta officer is 'catastrophic mistake'
It was a "catastrophic mistake" to bring a murder charge against one of the police officers involved in the shooting of 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks, Fox News senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano asserted Thursday.
Appearing on "Fox & Friends," Napolitano stated that the 11 charges against 27-year-old former Atlanta police officer Garrett Rolfe -- including the felony murder charge, which could potentially lead to the death penalty -- are "grossly inflated."
RAYSHARD BROOKS KILLING: FORMER ATLANTA OFFICER GARRETT ROLFE CHARGED WITH MURDER,COULD FACE DEATH PENALTY
"Look, if there's a jury trial, here's what the judge is going to say to the jurors before they start deliberating. If that police officer reasonably believed that Mr. Brooks was using or was about to use deadly force on him, the police officer, then the police officer is permitted to use deadly force to protect himself," he explained. "Secondly, the determination of what was in the police officer's mind is not what a reasonable civilian would do, but what a reasonable police officer would do."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-napolitano-rayshard-brooks-murder-charge-atlanta-officer
As I said... Once all the hysteria blows over, Officer Rolff's charges will be dropped..
EM
1
Can you think of another nominee for POTUS who will be more prepared and better equipped to hit the ground running than Senator Biden!?
I know, right!? That person simply does not exist.
Looks like that's going to be Biden/Harris, but not too bad for government work... and me and Elizabeth have been pretty much willing a similar ticket into existence for quite awhile now.
I will never forget crunching those South Carolina numbers and the Super Tuesday data and knowing what was coming... and no one I know can honestly say they weren't warned what was coming. *grin*
[41] Michale wrote:
"So, basically, the Trump Administration has to re-word the order to what Chief Justice Roberts likes and 'viola.. Another SCOTUS win for President Trump.. And another loss for the Dumbocrat Party.. :D
Easy Peazy Lemon Squeezy"
Yeah right! Like they are seriously going to do that during an election year when they lost in court already!
*LAUGHS*
[42] Michale wrote:
"As I said... Once all the hysteria blows over, Officer Rolff's charges will be dropped.."
As if THAT is seriously going to happen! LOL! Dream on! What a nice fantasy world you live in!
Or do you want to take a chance on losing another wager again???
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ListenWhenYouHear wrote:
Liz,
Well, fuck me.
I need this today...it put the biggest smile on my face.
Count me in on the smile on my face list. That's refreshing, Elizabeth -- shows us your humanity... your ability to walk with an average 'Murican. Yea, verily, here in Weigantia you...
have a small, deeply disturbed following.
-William Hurt
The Big Chill
Looks like that's going to be Biden/Harris, but not too bad for government work... and me and Elizabeth have been pretty much willing a similar ticket into existence for quite awhile now.
I seem to remember you were thinking it was going to be Clinton/Kaine in 2016...
We all know what happened next.. :D
But I think it's adorable you want to throw your opinion out there, even though you don't believe it enough to make a wager.. :D
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Elizabeth Miller wrote:
Well, fuck me.
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, June 17th, 2020 at 21:39 UTC ]
There! I've now set this as screensaver on my cellphone.
Yeah right! Like they are seriously going to do that during an election year when they lost in court already!
Yep, they are...
As if THAT is seriously going to happen!
It's what happened with Darren Wilson.. It's what happened with Daniel Pantaleo...
They are gonna walk.. and these racist bullshit charges are going to disappear...
Or do you want to take a chance on losing another wager again???
Sure, I'll wager.. I know my facts and the reality.. And I stand by them...
Remember, YOU have been wrong about EVERYTHING to do with President Trump ever... :D
But hay.. I'll wager.. I'll wager that within a year, all charges against Derek Chauvin and Garrett Wolff will be dropped..
If I win, on top of your own donation you pay my donations for the Weigantian Holiday Fund Drive... 50 cents per comment..
If you win, I'll pay yours at the same rate on top of my donations..
How sure are you of your facts, JM??? :D
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4] John M wrote:
[41] Michale wrote:
So, basically, the Trump Administration has to re-word the order to what Chief Justice Roberts likes and 'viola.. Another SCOTUS win for President Trump.. And another loss for the Dumbocrat Party.. :D
Easy Peazy Lemon Squeezy
Of course! So much winning (aside from the 2nd Great Depression, 120,000 needlessly dead Americans and anti racism protests in every state)!
Such peerless logic is irrefutable. And sure to readily convince all who are fortunate enough to read it.
*smh"
I know, I know...
Don't feed the Troll
Such peerless logic is irrefutable. And sure to readily convince all who are fortunate enough to read it.
Not at all.. The vast majority of people here have so much invested in their hate and bigotry, they can't see the facts and the reality..
But, like in Nov of 2016, the facts will become so self evident that they will be undeniable..
Did you read how it went down in Nov of 2016???
It's all gonna happen again in Nov 2020.. I am so sure of my facts, I am willing to make any wager..
Notice how few are willing to step up... :D
Mike
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I seem to remember you were thinking it was going to be Clinton/Kaine in 2016...
Wrong again. I didn't think Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic nominee several years before it happened. I cannot help your ignorance if you think calling a 50/50 election somehow makes you seem intelligent when it's basically the equivalent of shitting in your tiny hand and showing everybody your bowel movement multiple times a day and bragging over and over ad nauseam about how you can go potty all by yourself.
Please post some more satire on this forum and claim it's news.
Steelers Coach "Two Balls" is also fining $1 million to stupid people who cannot ascertain comedy from real events, and you owe him for yesterdays "news" you posted on this forum. Just catch a flight to Pittsburgh where "Coach" will be waiting at the airport for payment of your fine. "Two Balls" will be easily recognizable as he'll be the naked guy with two more testicles than you, waving a Terrible Towel in one hand and holding up a sign with your name on it: STUPID.
We all know what happened next.. :D
Yes, of course, we all do. You held out your tiny little hand and bragged for the one millionth time about how you could go potty... all by yourself.
But I think it's adorable you want to throw your opinion out there, even though you don't believe it enough to make a wager.. :D
Yes, I am infinitely adorable... but you mustn't confuse disbelief with somebody who doesn't give a shit.
I mean, honestly, MC...
Do you HONESTLY believe that Democrats can win on the ABOLISH THE POLICE platform???
Do you think Democrats can win on the IF YOU DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT YOU AIN'T BLACK platform???
Do you HONESTLY think that Democrats can pander to black Americans with their Kente scarf BS an incident you yourself said was pretty silly...
Honestly???
All these bonehead plays and so many more.. And you STILL think that Democrats can win in NOV???
Well, if you are SOOOOOO sure... Why not make a wager on it??
Yes, I am infinitely adorable... but you mustn't confuse disbelief with somebody who doesn't give a shit.
Since I PWN you and you even took up my posting style (which you realized how stoopid it made you look so much that you stop'ed) it's obvious to every how much of a shit you DO give.. :D
If yer so sure that Biden is going to win, there is no reason NOT to make a wager..
Oh, yea.. that's right.. You were the same sure about Hillary winning and I handed your ass to you.. :D
So, I can understand why you'de be afraid to suffer that humiliation a second time...
Just to recap how utterly it was for you.. :D
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2016/11/08/get-out-and-vote/
Ouch.. Yea, you got your ass handed to you a bunch of times.. No wonder you are a'skeered this time around.. :D
Who can blame ya...
And, since the economy is already showing signs of recovery, President Trump's re-election will be during the economies upswing..
We'll have a *REAL* Summer Of Recovery, not that weak flaccid recovery that Odumbo and VP Biden gave us..
Look at the facts in the Rayshard Brooks case. The George Floyd killing was different.
There is no shortage of police misconduct due to racism. But claiming it where it may not exist weakens the righteous cause of stamping it out.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/06/18/brooks-floyd-deaths-police-misconduct-not-always-racist-column/3206372001/
Which the author is wrong about the police misconduct due to racism... ( no one has ANY FACTS to prove it) the author is dead on ballz accurate the effect of phony claims of racism makes it harder to combat when there is real actual racism...
That's why I have always said that fake phony claims of racism are actually WORSE than real and factual racism..
Because they cheapen the complaints of actual racism and makes it harder for the victims of REAL racism to get justice...
You can watch the video of the encounter and recognize that this was clearly a GOOD SHOOT...
Brooks became combative (felon) and disarmed one of the officers of his taser (another felony) and then attempted to fell.. Officer Rolff chased after him, thru his taser to the ground with Brooks turned and fired at the officers.. Rollf then pulled his weapon and fired 2 or 3 shots, killing Brooks...
It's all there in the video...
Do ya'all know what you DON'T see????
**ANY*** indication that race was a factor...
There are exactly ***ZERO*** facts to support a claim of police racism...
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Capt Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
Brooks was shot immediately after attempting to tase the officer. Despite Wednesday's charges, a dispassionate analysis of the evidence raises serious questions about whether the state can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that, in that split second of chaos and instinct, the officer did not fear for his safety.
And to every home detective, journalist and pundit with a Twitter account, please stop suggesting the officer is guilty of murder because he did not "call an Uber” for a drunken driver. Having consoled many families whose loved ones were killed by drunken drivers, I don’t want the police putting drunken drivers in an Uber and sending them on their way.
And I can’t help but think that the same people calling for the officer’s blood today would be the first to call for his firing tomorrow if he had let Brooks go and Brooks got into another car and killed a family on their way home from dinner.
Until we as a society enact laws that direct law enforcement officers to let people go when they resist arrest, cops are obliged to do their job and arrest people who commit crimes.
Seize the moment: 9 ways to curb police brutality and honor the memory of George Floyd
The contact between the officer and Brooks was cordial, and the officer was polite and professional until Brooks fought the officer to the ground in an effort to avoid arrest.
Rather than mindlessly amplifying the knee-jerk outrage from commentators who don’t know the facts, people should watch the video. Then they should make their own assessments as to whether the officer was motivated by racism, or whether he was just a cop who was terrified and who tried to protect himself after being shot at with a Taser that was stolen in an attack seconds earlier.
I recommend the same..
Everyone who wants to comment on Officer Rolff's actions must watch the video...
If you don't then your opinion is meaningless.. If you do and still have the same opinion, that means yer a Party Slave who can't think on their own...
Either way, watching the video is a must..
Or maybe we can just follow Joe Biden's advice and train police officers to shoot at the legs of fleeing felons..
:D
Bad News For Biden
Good news for Trump: The economy is bouncing back
The great fear of any president running for reelection is being found naked in bed with a dead economy — or, to be less extreme, trying to convince the voters to give him another four years when we're in a recession. Things are looking pretty good for President Trump, then, as all the signs show that the lockdown and the coronavirus-induced recession are going to be over by the time voters start making their ballots.
The fear of running for reelection when the economy is dire is well founded. That's what did in Presidents George H.W. Bush and Jimmy Carter. President Gerald Ford wasn't exactly running in the happy times, nor was President Lyndon B. Johnson when he decided not to run. President Herbert Hoover would be a prime example too. It's important to note, though, that what matters is not whether there has been a recession, but is there one when people are voting? It's actively feeling the slowdown that changes votes, not that things could be better. What happened before is much less important than the growth and improvement people feel now.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/good-news-for-trump-the-economy-is-bouncing-back
No matter how much Democrats and Trump/America haters try... They simply can't ruin the American economy....
President Trump's coasting to re-election... It's going to be a glorious day in Weigantia... :D
Who knows... People around here might actually start accepting President Trump as their POTUS... :D
hus, the big question is: How long is this all going to last? Will the recession be V-shaped (we'll be back to where we were right away) or W-shaped (some bumbling around and then back to where we were) or L-shaped (we're screwed)?
All the numbers that we're getting out of the economy point to a V-shaped recovery. Yep, it's terrible now, but it'll soon be growing again and fast.
The savings rate jumped to an unheard of 33%. Everyone was paying off revolving debt (essentially, outstanding credit card balances). If everyone keeps doing that, then there won't be a recovery at all, and the economy will be that awful L-shape. But that's not what's happening. As soon as the stores are open again, we're out there like it's Black Friday. OK, maybe it's not quite that good, but we're only 6% below peak, and not every state is properly open yet. The considered prediction of the nation's economists was that we'd see an 8% rise in retail sales in May, and clearly, 18% just blows that out of the water.
The vast majority of us vote with our pocketbooks. It's also not how the trailing economic statistics are recording what has happened that matters; it's our own direct experience of jobs and pay and layoffs and being able to go to buy what we want. It's also not what has happened, but what is happening around Election Day that changes electoral outcomes. If this recovery keeps going gangbusters like it seems to be, then Trump is going to get his four more years.
Maybe that's why they're allowing Joe Biden to run on the other side this time — his possible lapses don't actually matter; the economy does.
Ya'all ALMOST have to feel sorry for Joe Biden.. He's the Bob Dole or Mitt Romney of our time.. Run as a sacrificial lamb because the Party MUST submit SOMEONE... ANYONE.....
Of course, given all of Biden's past and future baggage, no one is seriously expecting Biden to do anything but go down in flames....
Let's hope Biden at least makes it interesting.. :D
Confirmed: On-Duty Atlanta Police Officers Are Walking Off Job
Atlanta, GA – The Police Tribune has confirmed with International Brotherhood of Police Southeast Regional Director Vince Champion that Atlanta police officers are walking off the job Wednesday night.
The walkout started shortly after Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard announced 11 charges against now-fired Officer Garrett Rolfe, and three charges against Officer Devin Brosnan for the fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks June 12.
Sponsored:
Rolfe has been charged with seven felonies, including murder, in connection with the shooting.
The charges can carry the death penalty, according to Fox News.
Rumors started almost immediately after Howard’s press conference ended that officers were walking off of the job.
The department’s scanner activity was silent throughout much of the city as the rumors continued in law enforcement circles and right-wing Twitter.
https://bluelivesmatter.blue/confirmed-on-duty-atlanta-police-officers-are-walking-off-job/?fbclid=IwAR1LrQtVdNhZS0usawAqI-GQI_nrF_A6XSDk8ZU8wUKzZc-SEKvYKdweglY
It was bound to happen.. Now let snowflakes fend for themselves...
I don't agree with it, but I understand why it's happening...
Officers can only take so many kicks in the teeth by the public they protect before they get fed up...
You Democrats enjoy your police-less society.... Deal with the problems yerselves...
What you people simply refuse to understand is that, when it comes to Law Enforcement, there is no such thing as a "fair fight"..
If someone comes at a cop with their fists, the cops use their PR-24s, Asps or tazers...
If someone comes at a cop with club, a knife or a taser, the cops use deadly force...
This is why the case against Officer Rolff is utterly ludicrous...
There is simply NO GROUNDS for prosecution.. Officer Rolff did EVERYTHING he was trained to do exactly as he was trained to do it...
This is a Good Shoot.. Textbook case..
No other factually based conclusion is possible..
Mike
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Since I PWN you and you even took up my posting style (which you realized how stoopid it made you look so much that you stop'ed) it's obvious to every how much of a shit you DO give.. :D
So you still don't understand the concept of flooding the zone in silent protest? That's okay since you're demonstrably so infinitely damn dumb that you actually just claimed that I realized me posting that way made me look stupid when you've admittedly been posting that stupid way for years... years and years of admitted stupid... according to you.
That is a nice bit of projection you got there, though, since it was actually you who quit posting that way for a whole day yesterday; although, not to worry about losing your self-earned forum stupid status for a whole day since you still looked just as ignorant as always by posting the Coach "Two Balls" satire about ALL players being fined by the Steelers for $1 million dollars because Pittsburgh wasn't going to "stand for kneeling." Satire just too complicated for your tiny brain.
Coach "Two Balls" will be waiting at the Pittsburgh airport waving his Terrible Towel and holding your sign: ----> STUPID
But you're right, it is stupid to post that way.
If yer so sure that Biden is going to win, there is no reason NOT to make a wager..
I have some long-running wagers with Republican friends of mine... two less in this presidential election year since they've left the GOP. As for making a wager with you about a 50/50 election, I cannot fathom why you believe my disinterest in doing that means that I don't believe Joe Biden will win. I wanted him to win the nomination and believed he would because I thought he could win in the general election. I still do. I've already stated it and will continue to state it. If he doesn't... just another election... move on to the next one. No big dealie.
Oh, yea.. that's right.. You were the same sure about Hillary winning and I handed your ass to you.. :D
My ass? *shakes head* But you definitely have showed your ass and your potty poo to everyone over and over and over because you're so proud of practically nothing.
So, I can understand why you'de be afraid to suffer that humiliation a second time...
The dipshit posting satire claiming it's "news" tells everyone everything they need to know about his level of "understanding." Hysterical. Also, you predicting a 50/50 election is not quite the humiliation you keep insisting it is, and we're all thrilled for you that you're so proud of yourself that you can go potty by yourself. Maybe you can drink out of a glass instead of a sippy cup and hold a glass with one hand instead of having to use two hands to take a drink like a toddler or Dementia Donald.
Just to recap how utterly it was for you.. :D
Just another election and on to the next one.
Ouch.. Yea, you got your ass handed to you a bunch of times.. No wonder you are a'skeered this time around.. :D
I can think of a reason to make a wager with you on a 50/50 election: You seem to seriously believe it's a big deal to be on the losing end and it makes the people who get it wrong look stupid. So the only reason for me to make a bet with you is to make you look stupid. No need to do that since you've got looking stupid covered without any help from me or anyone else.
Fallujah???
https://img.apmcdn.org/5971ed3538975eabbc0a9fc57259b0bd2e873ef1/widescreen/ef0be1-20200528-lake-street-protest-aftermath03.jpg
Nope.. Minneapolis after Democrats are done...
Again, how ya'all think Democrats can prevail in Nov???
Ludicrous...
Horowitz: Atlanta shooting exposes the lie of BLM
BLM: Blood libels matter.
They matter because when a dangerous lie criminalizing all police and victimizing every black criminal is allowed to metastasize, it turns America into a violent, lawless nation, harming the very people that movement purports to champion. The new rioting over what appears to be an act of self-defense on the part of an Atlanta cop demonstrates that this movement was never about justice for George Floyd.
The reason why the video showing the killing of George Floyd sparked so much outrage is precisely because it was so anomalous in police encounters. The video appears to show Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin kneeling, presumably with a lot of pressure, on Floyd’s neck for nine minutes, in a contained situation long after Floyd had been subdued.
Well, now we know that the outrage was not over that anomalous act. What the latest blood libel in Atlanta demonstrates is that those pushing the lie seek to criminalize basic police work and lionize career criminals who needlessly escalate arrests into violent altercations, often killing others.
“Cop who shot Rayshard Brooks dead is fired as bodycam shows the black man talking politely to cops” was the headline the U.K. Daily Mail used to describe the shooting of Rayshard Brooks, 27, in Atlanta late Friday night.
“Rayshard Brooks was shot and killed when he was merely asleep on the passenger side and not doing anything,” proclaimed NAACP vice president Gerald Griggs.
https://tinyurl.com/y7bwqlwv
Once again, the lies of the terrorist group BLM are exposed...
This is no different from the old blood libels against Jews in Russia.
Any sane person watching this video will realize that, yes, the police were very amicable to him. But that all changed when Brooks violently resisted arrest and grabbed the taser from one of the cops on the scene. You can clearly see in the video that the cop only drew his gun when the fleeing Brooks turned around and fired the taser at him.
Clearly, this case is in line with the vast majority of police shootings of both black and white suspects and many of the others that the media turned into a blood libel against the cops, such as the Michael Brown case in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014. It was clear self-defense, and had the suspect been white, we would never have heard of it. The cop wouldn’t have been fired and rioters wouldn’t have burned down the Wendy’s where the shooting occurred, nor would they have blocked an interstate. And frankly, had they done so, the power of government would immediately have crushed their actions.
https://storage.googleapis.com/conservativereview/2020/06/fb8cc428-screen_shot_of_brooks_clayton_record.png
Once again.. Democrats and Weigantians judging Rayshard Brooks by te color of his skin... NOT by the quality of his character... Or, in Brooks case, lack thereof
Dr Martin Luther King would be VERY disappointed in today's Democrats..
So, let's take a look at this angel of the Democrat Party, shall we???
THEFT BY TAKING
THEFT BY TAKING
FELONY SPEEDING
FALSE IMPRISON
SIMPL BATTRY
FALSE IMPRISON
FALSE IMPRISON
FALSE IMPRISON THEFT
FELONY CRUELTY
OBSTR OFFICER
FALSE IMPRISON
INTERFER WCUST
FALSE IMPRISON
FELONY CRUELTY
FELONY CRUELTY
WEAPONS POSS
And so on and so on and so on...
Officer Rolff deserves a medal for taking this scumbag out of society...
Who knows how many lives Officer Rolff saved that night...
Censorship Spiral
Banning controversial content is deadly to a vibrant culture—and must be resisted.
In a flash, Gone with the Wind, the 1939 American film classic, was gone. So, too, was Cops, the pro-cop reality show about to start its 33rd season until Paramount Network banished it. Days later, A&E pulled from its schedule Live P.D., which follows cops on the job. All three have fallen victim to the prevailing politically correct winds that have already engulfed journalism, causing senior staff shifts at the New York Times, ABC News, Variety, Bon Appetit, and Refinery 29, among other less well-known outlets.
Now film and television have caught the censorship, or self-censorship bug, as self-appointed cultural commissars and Maoist online mobs demand that, in the wake of the killing of George Floyd and the eruption of protests, violence, and looting in more than 100 American cities, what we see on our movie and TV screens, in addition to what we read, must be devoid of what they deem to be racism, sexism, and “proto-fascism.”
https://www.city-journal.org/self-censorship-deadly-to-vibrant-culture
The Democrat Party is a threat to this country..
That's the naked fact of all of this..
It's gonna be a pleasure to see the Party wiped out in Nov...
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Yea and the Federal Government ALSO said that President Trump colluded with the Russians and committed impeachable crime..
For the umpteenth time collusion isn't a crime, Mueller found 10 instances of Obstruction of Justice, he explicitly did not exonerate Trump, and the House impeached Trump on clearly impeachable grounds ("You'll get your money after you trash Biden.")
Just because #MoscowMitch and today's gutless GOP let Trump off the hook doesn't mean Trump hasn't stained the Presidency.
For the umpteenth time collusion isn't a crime,
That's NOT what you Democrats said during your Russia Collusion delusion..
About until Mueller told ya'all how wrong ya'all were, ya'all were screaming RUSSIA COLLUSION until the cows come home..
Do you want to see all ya'all's comments that STATED that???
he explicitly did not exonerate Trump, and the House impeached Trump on clearly impeachable grounds ("You'll get your money after you trash Biden.")
Yes he did when it came to Russia Collusion...
Just because #MoscowMitch and today's gutless GOP let Trump off the hook doesn't mean Trump hasn't stained the Presidency.
And just because YOU say he has, doesn't make it so either..
YOU LOST... EVERY TIME...
Deal with it..
Still waiting for your idea on police reform.. If you need 3 days to come up with ideas, it's patently obvious you don't have any....
and the House impeached Trump on clearly impeachable grounds ("You'll get your money after you trash Biden.")
Yea???
Show me were OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS IS A CRIME??
You can't because it doesn't exist.. Dumbocrats made it up because they had NOTHING illegal to charge President Trump with..
Again, these are the facts whether you admit them or not..
Still waiting for you to take me up on the wager.. If yer so sure Trump is going to lose in Nov, you should be anxious to make a wager.. :D
But you and I both know that Trump is going to glide to re-election... :D
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...FALSE IMPRISON
FELONY CRUELTY
FELONY CRUELTY
WEAPONS POSS
And so on and so on and so on...
Officer Rolff deserves a medal for taking this scumbag out of society...
Who knows how many lives Officer Rolff saved that night..
That's a great attitude
if you live in Duterte's Phillipines.
Here in America we've separated the Police from the Judicial process, specifically to deny our Police the role of "Judge, Jury and Executioner." So your sentiment is contrary to our Constitution. Change, please.
Kick,
Why so set on Biden/Harris?
Democrats need us Progressives come November. And nothing, no number of Progressive planks added to the Party Platform, no amount of campaigning for Biden by Bernie would excite us as much as picking Elizabeth Mille -- I mean Elizabeth Warren.
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and the House impeached Trump on clearly impeachable grounds ("You'll get your money after you trash Biden.")
Yea???
Show me were OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS IS A CRIME??
You can't because it doesn't exist.. Dumbocrats made it up because they had NOTHING illegal to charge President Trump with.
Um, by definition Congress needs an Impeachable Offense to Impeach, and what a president allegedly did does not have to be illegal.
Recall that Nixon resigned when he realized that the GOP would convict/remove him on:
*Obstruction of Justice, *Abuse of Power
*Contempt of Congress
C'mon Michale, that's stuff you should look up before you post.
Well, that DACA ruling was interesting reading.
Bottom line: Trump sent his best lawyer to the Supreme Court of the United States to end DACA, and even with all the deference that a POTUS receives from the SCOTUS, Trump still lost... and he lost in the SCOTUS for the same reason he lost the census citizenship question issue: Trump and the appointed persons in his administration did not have a good reason for their actions on both those issues beyond "it has to go because Obama"... so Roberts followed the letter of the law and made his ruling on procedural grounds:
Trump and his administration are incompetent... whereas a marginally competent president with an administration worth a piss could have ended DACA, but not this clown and his clown car full of fools. They just keep taking action without a valid demonstrable reason other than "Obama ordered it" and "we hate anything Obama did."
Michale,
Your “bona fides” are nothing more than you lying to the group trying to make yourself sound important. I picked up on that very quickly after I started frequenting the site. You had no idea how internal investigations are handled, or why officers who are involved in a shooting are not allowed to fill out a case report like they do for all of their other cases.
But it was you telling me that you had been in law enforcement when you were in the military and had killed someone in the line of duty, then calling me a liar — claiming that you had never said any of that to me — that was the hard evidence that proved you were lying. Like I said...these are your own words that show us who you really are.
I guess I was lying about you claiming to be a MP in the service, too?
Yes, you are lying about that as well..
You simply can't stop lying..
But we both know you are lying.
Once again.. You accuse me of what you are doing..
[ Monday, November 4th, 2019 at 02:55 UTC ]
But back in the comments from CW’s June 8, 2016 article, your comment [80] shows that I was not lying!
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Michale wrote:
Having said that, it WAS stupid for Tessig to reach into the car.. It was a rookie mistake...
But that shouldn't result in Tessig being charged for the shooting... Just because Tessig reached in, doesn't give Dubose the right to murder him...
Allow me to give you an example from a personal experience..
While on Okinawa, I rolled up on a domestic one time. They drill into us at the academy, DO NOT RESPOND TO A DOMESTIC ALONE!!!... Once on scene, my backup was still 3mike out.. Things sounded like they were escalating inside so I thought my presence would calm the scene..
Stoopid rookie mistake..
I entered the residence and made contact with male subject who was getting the shit kicked out of him by a little Filipino woman... I got the two apart and shoved the woman back and she landed in the kitchen...
I turned to the husband to check his injuries and he looked at me, his eyes got real wide.. I whirled around and saw the woman exiting the kitchen with the largest damn meat cleaver in the galaxy..
I drew my weapon and shot her.
Now, if I had waited until backup arrived, it's all but assured that the shooting wouldn't have happened...
But the shooting was ruled a Good Shoot because I had no choice AT THAT MOMENT..
Granted, I had my ass reamed six ways from sunday and was put on desk duty for 2 months... But it was STILL a good shoot...
You never told me any of that, huh?!!?
What has to be the saddest part of all of this is that if it is not entirely made up, then in your accounting of your expertise for the group, you admit that you were a terrible officer whose inability to follow SOP’s ended up costing a young woman her life!!!
You “shoved the woman back” with such force that “she landed in the kitchen”? And then you turn your attention to the male instead of securing his attacker. Had you restrained her from the very start instead of physically throwing her into the room where she was able to arm herself with the meat cleaver, you wouldn’t have had to shoot her.
So if you were telling the truth about being an MP in the military and this story was true, it explains why no police department would ever hire you. And if you lied about the whole thing, then even in your lies you are pathetic!
Mike
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So, let's take a look at this angel of the Democrat Party, shall we???
I have a better idea. Since you always want to talk about posters personally, let's take a look at the records of you and your family.
Oh, I got bad news for you, Mike. Lots and lots of litigation, federal violations, and a ton of mugshots.
And so on and so on and so on...
Must be your shitty "gene pool."
EM
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Why so set on Biden/Harris?
Not set on it at all. I just figure she will likely be Biden's pick. For years now I always assumed Joe was the likely candidate that would run against Trump, and I know I don't have to tell you why. We've discussed it many times. Well, I also always figured Biden would have a diverse ticket like "Biden/Booker for the win."
Well, here we are now, and Biden has promised to choose a woman... which Russ and I have discussed many times that we thought it might be Stacey Abrams. You remember how you told us we were crazy every time I would post I thought the VP running mate should be one of these women and in this order:
* Stacey Abrams
* Kamala Harris
* Elizabeth Warren
When Biden said he was determined to pick someone who was ready to be President on Day 1, Stacey Abrams fell of my list because she doesn't (being honest) meet that definition since she's never held office at the federal level. That's really the only reason I picked Harris.
I'm definitely not "set" on it, though. I've just always thought Biden would run on a diverse ticket for the presidency... since he's never not been part of a diverse ticket when he's part of a ticket running for the presidency. In 2017, I figured it would be Booker. In 2020, it looks like it's going to be Harris.
Of course, I would vote for Joe and Ham Sandwich as his running mate... doesn't matter! :)
Russ
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Great post. A masterpiece wrapped in honey with a cherry on top.
Mike has lied and left clues about his LEO cluelessness all over this board. Like that time he was bragging about saving his grandson's life from a dog... and, and
*can't talk from laughing*
*one moment, please*
the punchline of the "saved his life with my firearm" story is that Mike never discharged his weapon.
Remember that, Russ? :)
What's this? Controversy over Michale's background? And the origins of "The Michale Situation?
I wasn't around for the start of this so feel free to fill me in.
MtnCaddy
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Mike lied for years and years on this forum about being a "cop" when he's never ever been a cop. Then -- get this -- he actually now is claiming he "never" said that he was and that he's "always" said he was in "security"... which is a lie on top of all the other lies.
Russ is dead on accurate correct on this one; there are years and years of Mike's archived lies and bullshit wherein he's claimed or inferred he was a cop. Russ has already posted some of them recently and asked Mike if he wanted some more. Russ has mercifully -- so far -- been nice to the lying jackass and only posted a few instances of his bullshit. I posted one of his lies recently out of a strong sense of duty *grin* and there's plenty more bullshit where that came from... years and years of Mike's lying bullshit.
Mike's opinion about the "pitfalls" of the justice system on kids is most likely due to the multiple mugshots and crimes committed by his own kids by virtue of their demonstrably shitty "gene pool."
Archived for all posterity. :)
MtnCaddy,
I believe you asked a few days ago why Michale was here. It isn’t for debating politics or current events — he is here simply to troll!
But, as usual, my comments are NOT a judgment on the actions of Odumbo OR President Trump..
My comments are on the fact that ya'all's condemnations are totally and completely one sided...
And then there was this...
10/26/19
Actually I have never commented or relayed my opinions on President Trump's conflict of interest..
I simply point out ya'all's hypocrisy on the issue and prove beyond any doubt that any "conflict of interest" you see in President Trump's et al dealings is SOLELY based on Party slavery rather than any REAL problem with the alleged conflict of interest..
As I have said, I have built a pretty awesome cottage industry at pointing out ya'all's hypocrisy and ya'all's enslavement (NEN) by Party dogma...
Don't whine to me because ya'all give me PLENTY of reasons..
As for his work history.... Michale used to claim he was in law enforcement for almost 25 years...but the truth is that IF he was ever in was a LEO, it was maybe for 2.5 years when he was a MP in the military. And based on the background check that was run on him, if he ever was a LEO it is unlikely that he could have been one for long given his record.
Kick-38
The F word is almost completely acceptable in print these days. The New Yorker has been F bombing for about a decade - much to the horror of my late mom. I don't know why she was so shocked - my father dropped a few dozen F cluster bombs every day (Navy Training). Broadcast Radio and TV are still holdouts.
Kick-38
Sesame Street "broken arrow" F-Bomb incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va2rJicOPYk
TS
86|87
The F word is almost completely acceptable in print these days. The New Yorker has been F bombing for about a decade - much to the horror of my late mom. I don't know why she was so shocked - my father dropped a few dozen F cluster bombs every day (Navy Training). Broadcast Radio and TV are still holdouts.
We've come a long way, haven't we baby? Of course, you know I had to tease EM about that because I was so proud of her... even if she did come back later and blame "Homeland." Heh.
Sesame Street "broken arrow" F-Bomb incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va2rJicOPYk
OMG... I had heard about it but never seen it. Thanks for posting that. Who would have ever thought Grover would be the F-bomb offender? I would have definitely put my money on Miss Piggy to be the one to let one loose. :)
Russ
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Yep! Russ nails it again. *laughs*