Friday Talking Points -- Is Trump Actually Trying To Lose?
At this point, one has to wonder: is President Donald Trump intentionally trying to commit political suicide?
This would certainly make a lot of sense, given his recent actions. Perhaps he's tired of attempting to do a job he is so obviously underqualified for, and perhaps he just wants to return to private life. To do so, Joe Biden has to win, meaning Trump has to guarantee this outcome. So he goes about actively destroying any possibility that he'll win re-election.
If Trump actually is interested in beating Biden, he's certainly going about it in the wrong way. Trump had a golden opportunity when the pandemic began, because if he had shown even a modicum of leadership and even a shred of human decency and empathy, the race would right now be a lot closer. If Trump had addressed the nation, admitted the facts, rallied people to fight the pandemic in every way possible, trusted the scientists, urged people to wear masks, developed a national plan to deal with the crisis, and repeatedly helped the nation mourn those we've lost (now at 140,000 and climbing), then Donald Trump would be seen in a radically different light right now. He wouldn't have even had to have been particularly good at any of these efforts -- he could have just mouthed the words off the TelePrompTer, and that likely would have been enough. But he is absolutely incapable of doing so, it seems.
Instead, Trump keeps choosing the worst possible course. He ignored the initial outbreak. He ignored the testing crisis. He ignored the states being crushed under the outbreak. He ignored his own scientists -- or, even worse, contradicted them and actively undermined them. And worst of all, he has almost completely ignored all the suffering and death out there.
Instead, he concentrated on what he felt was important: the stock market, the economy, and, now, forcing children back to school even if it is not safe for this to happen. It's like the story of the boy who sees a hole in the dike -- except instead of plugging it, he decides to grab a sledgehammer and flail away at the dike to make the hole bigger. That's Trump's version of leadership, and it is why he is now in such political trouble that the entire Republican Party is now getting very worried about how much of a drag on the rest of the ticket Trump will be. Trump doesn't just pick the wrong side of the fight, he actively picks the stupidest fights to even have in the first place (such as making mask-wearing a political statement). And the rest of the Republicans are now beginning to notice what this is going to mean for their own chances of winning in November.
Need proof? Here's the former majority leader of the Minnesota senate, Republican Amy Koch:
The whole world has changed in the past six months, and I don't know if the president has caught up. His messaging is landing on deaf ears. He just doesn't seem to fully understand what people are talking about or worrying about.
Or this, from former GOP House member Charlie Dent:
Most members in swing districts understand that they need to expand on their base, and you would think that this president, who won his election by 80,000 votes [in key swing states], would be of the same mentality but he's not, and that's where the conflict is. There's a total disconnect there between the president and those members in swing districts who need the president to be more measured and balanced -- and, of course, he's totally incapable of that.... It's all these other erratic and bizarre comments and behaviors that are causing the most heartburn for a lot of Republicans, by far. I don't think any Republican member of Congress wants to stand up there and defend the Confederacy, which makes absolutely no sense, or go to war with Tony Fauci.
Or how about this, from Trump's former White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, who apparently only found out the emperor was stark naked when his own family's health was in question:
I know it isn't popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. My son was tested recently; we had to wait 5 to 7 days for results. My daughter wanted to get tested before visiting her grandparents, but was told she didn't qualify. That is simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic.
Other Republicans are also finally admitting the non-Trump reality too:
Arkansas' entire congressional delegation -- all Republicans -- wrote Vice President Mike Pence this week asking the federal government to address shortages of chemical reagents needed to analyze coronavirus tests.
Trump's power to distract and deflect attention is just not working anymore. Up until this point, he's mostly been master of the media narrative, "winning" the news cycle each day and forcing the conversation onto his own terms. This no longer works, because the coronavirus just can't be intimidated by mean tweets. It just keeps right on proliferating, whether Trump insults it or not. And the public can now see in stark detail the difference between Trump's rampant denialism and the hard, cold reality around them. The more Trump lies and denies, the more pathetically out of touch he appears. Making it less likely that people are going to vote for him.
The graveyard that Trump keeps whistling past is growing larger by the day, too. America saw the highest number of new cases in a single day yesterday -- north of 75,000 cases. Over ten states saw their highest daily death totals this week as well. Trump's last-straw talking point (to convince everyone that there is no crisis) for the past few weeks has been that the death rate has remained low -- but even that is not true anymore, as the curve bends in the wrong direction once again. We haven't hit the grim milestone of 1,000 deaths per day again -- yet -- but we likely will in the next few days (several days in the past week have been over 900), which will leave Trump with nothing to point to in his own defense, once again.
The White House has shown a dangerous new propensity to hide the real data from the public, as well. A secret internal White House document was leaked this week which showed 18 states in a coronavirus "red zone," which suggests these states should "revert to more stringent protective measures" like closing bars and gyms and mandating masks. And in sudden and unexpected move, the Centers for Disease Control was stripped of their responsibility for the most crucial data this week, which had been reported to it from hospitals across the country. Now this data is going to go straight to the executive branch instead -- which is an ominous move indeed. Who do you trust more at this point to tell the truth about the crisis -- the C.D.C. or Donald Trump? Earlier in the week, the Trump White House launched a multipronged attack on Dr. Anthony Fauci, which also reinforced the fact that Fauci is one heck of a lot more trustworthy than all the president's men (and women). And we still have no national strategy whatsoever for anything, because of the absolute void that Trump's surrender from the field has left us all in. An advisor to the Democratic governor of Washington state expressed his frustration: "Every governor is out there on his or her own working to build the same programs that are being built next door. The federal government's efforts range from a little bit of backup to not even being present." Andrew Cuomo was equally exasperated: "The White House doesn't get it. Until we control this virus as a nation, the economy can't fully recover. Where is the national plan?"
So let's check in with all those red state politicians who fawningly follow Trump's lead, to see how they're doing, shall we? Let's see, the first governor to test positive for the coronavirus was Oklahoma's -- the state where Trump held his mostly-empty rally. Alabama has seen 26 state legislators test positive as well -- roughly one in seven of them. This led to one of the most extraordinary public health statements ever issued: "If you have been in contact with anyone in the Legislature, or if you have been in contact with any staff person that works at the Legislature, you need to get tested." That was from Alabama's Republican governor, mind you.
But the blue-ribbon prize for idiocy this week goes to Georgia's governor, who is actually personally suing the mayor of Atlanta because she dared institute a mandatory mask order. Previously, Brian Kemp had resisted a statewide mandatory mask order by using the logic: "one size fits all will not work." Now, however, "no sizes will fit anyone" seems to be what he's saying. This is beyond astonishing, it is (as Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms put it): "very bizarre, quite frankly." Two of her family members have tested positive, by the way.
So is all this sacrifice achieving Trump's real goal? Well, no. The economic recovery is now in danger of fizzling, and we're about to get numbers for the second quarter of the year which prove it. The early prediction was that the gross domestic product was going to shrink by a jaw-dropping 38 percent.
Add all of this up and you get a president bent on self-destruction. Which is bearing fruit already. Only 38 percent of Americans approve of Trump's handling of the pandemic. Sixty percent disapprove. In March, those numbers were 51 percent approval to 45 percent disapproval. Right now 52 percent "strongly disapprove" of his handling of the crisis, up from 36 percent in March. More than 6 in 10 people now don't trust what Trump says on the outbreak, which includes almost 3 in 10 Republicans. On what should be the focus, 63 percent say it is more important to control the spread of the outbreak even if it hurts the economy. Almost 8 in 10 people are wearing masks most of the time in public.
Trump has shifted his campaign's core message several times now, and has seemingly abandoned the last one, which was running as the "law and order" president. After Trump commuted the sentence of Roger Stone this week, however, this isn't exactly operative any more. As Mitt Romney put it in a tweet: "Unprecedented, historic corruption: an American president commutes the sentence of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president." Robert Mueller even weighed in with his own opinion, in the pages of the Washington Post.
[Roger] Stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. He remains a convicted felon, and rightly so.... The jury ultimately convicted Stone of obstruction of a congressional investigation, five counts of making false statements to Congress and tampering with a witness. Because his sentence has been commuted, he will not go to prison. But his conviction stands.... We made every decision in Stone's case, as in all our cases, based solely on the facts and the law and in accordance with the rule of law. The women and men who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. Claims to the contrary are false.
The Trump campaign this week focused on two new messages, both of which are just as self-destructive. The first was a nakedly racist attempt to appeal to white suburban voters by threatening that Joe Biden wanted to "abolish the suburbs." Many late-night hosts made fun of this statement (in the same disjointed speech Trump also accused Biden of wanting to somehow "abolish windows"), but when you take the time to understand what he was really talking about, it gets even worse. Here's Trump's actual words:
Your home will go down in value and crime rates will rapidly rise.... What will be the end result is you will totally destroy the beautiful suburbs. Suburbia will be no longer as we know it.... People have worked all their lives to get into a community, and now they're going to watch it go to hell. Not going to happen, not while I'm here.
And here is what he's really talking about:
Trump reiterated a reference he first made on Twitter at the end of last month: He'd be revisiting an administrative rule known as AFFH, which stands for Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing. His administration has already begun the process of overhauling the rule, in fact, with the Department of Housing and Urban Development publishing a proposed change in January.
What is AFFH? HUD describes it as a rule which "provides an effective planning approach to aid program participants in taking meaningful actions to overcome historic patterns of segregation, promote fair housing choice, and foster inclusive communities that are free from discrimination." In short, it's aimed at encouraging the diversification of housing as stipulated in the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
In other words, the federal government has been trying to see to it that black and brown people are able to move into the suburbs, which (according to Trump) will "destroy the beautiful suburbs" and send them to "hell." Not exactly subtle. It's not a dog whistle, it's a locomotive whistle. Allow us to translate: "White people in the suburbs should be very afraid and vote for me, to keep your suburbs nice and white."
Trump's second new campaign idea is even worse: forcing all schools to fully reopen this fall, or Trump will withhold federal funding to them. We wrote about this at length yesterday, but here's the takeaway statistic from recent polling:
While Trump has said relatively little of substance lately on the coronavirus outbreak, he has focused like a laser on school reopening. But a new Quinnipiac University poll shows Americans actually oppose his approach on this by a 2-to-1 margin, with 61 percent disapproving of his plans to reopen schools and only 29 percent approving. Women disapproved, 69-23.
Further, as The Post's Philip Bump detailed Wednesday, polling from Yahoo News and YouGov this week showed 77 percent of people say the country's priority should be to limit the spread of the virus even if students can't go back to school, while just 23 percent said reopening schools should be the bigger priority.
As we said, it's almost as if Trump is actively trying to lose the election by choosing the most unpopular stances possible on all the important issues of the day. So how's that going for him? Well, this week he demoted his campaign manager (who took the fall for the Tulsa rally fiasco), and the Republican Party announced that it was going to have to severely shrink the size of the crowds for the national convention (which, you'll recall, Trump moved to Florida in a hissy fit because North Carolina wouldn't ignore safety protocols) because the pandemic is now raging out of control in Florida.
And just to top off the week where Trump reached the dubious distinction of having told 20,000 lies while in office, he lied about golf, just for good measure. According to the tireless folks at the Washington Post who have been keeping track:
It took President Trump 827 days to top 10,000 false and misleading claims in The Fact Checker's database, an average of 12 claims a day.
But on July 9, just 440 days later, the president crossed the 20,000 mark -- an average of 23 claims a day over a 14-month period.
So Trump tweeted, as icing on the cake:
I know many in business and politics that work out endlessly, in some cases to a point of exhaustion. It is their number one passion in life, but nobody complains. My "exercise" is playing, almost never during the week, a quick round of golf. Obama played more and much longer rounds, no problem. When I play, Fake News CNN, and others, park themselves anywhere they can to get a picture, then scream "President Trump is playing golf." Actually, I play VERY fast, get a lot of work done on the golf course, and also get a "tiny" bit of exercise. Not bad!
A CNN reporter tweeted in response: "Trump's 'very fast' round of golf yesterday lasted about four hours, amounting to his 276th visit to one of his golf clubs during his presidency." At this point in Obama's first term, he had played 102 rounds. In his entire first term, Obama only played golf 113 times. Because of course Trump is lying about this, just like he lies about everything.
We have a few candidates for the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award this week, all of whom deserve at least an Honorable Mention for their efforts.
First up is Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, who gleefully pointed out that Mitch McConnell is finally admitting the reality that another round of pandemic relief is going to be necessary:
When we first passed our bill, they said: "nothing, never, no, we need a pause." Now they know that we -- we don't need a pause. We need to act. Then they said: "Well, we're not going to spend any more money." Now they're saying a trillion dollars.... That's not enough. But we will have to find common ground to pass legislation.
Pelosi already seems to have the upper hand in this negotiation, as she should.
Joe Biden released his economic plan this week to very little fanfare, but it deserves some attention. If you're pressed for time, the Washington Post edited the speech's video down to the best four minutes, which is well worth watching. For all of the complaints about Biden not vigorously campaigning, a new poll was released this week that showed him up a whopping 15 points over Trump, so he must be doing something right!
Sara Gideon won her Democratic primary in Maine and will now try to chuck Susan Collins out of her Senate seat. This also means that she is now eligible for just under four million dollars that was collected in a rather unique effort (which won the MIDOTW award back in FTP [500]) launched during the bitter confirmation battle over Justice Fratboy.
But our MIDOTW winner this week actually won it a few weeks back, because that is how long it took for New York to count their ballots (warning to everyone: Election Night this November will likely have a whole bunch of states still not called come the next morning... or the next week, even). We promised back then to give the award to him if he won, which we're now happy to make good on.
Progressive candidate Jamaal Bowman has now officially defeated 16-term incumbent Democrat Eliot Engel, which will almost certainly mean he'll win in November as well. Bowman ran the A.O.C. playbook, and it worked like a charm. As of this writing, Bowman was leading Engel by 16 points. Here's the whole story, from Politico:
[Jamaal] Bowman, a middle-school principal who was endorsed by most national progressives, challenged [Representative Eliot] Engel from the left and argued that the incumbent had lost touch with his solidly Democratic district, which extends from the Bronx into Westchester County. He campaigned on liberal priorities, like Medicare for All, the single-payer health care plan, and the Green New Deal.
"The world has changed. Congress needs to change, too," Bowman said in a statement sent to reporters minutes after he was declared the winner. "But if we can take on entrenched power and wealthy interests here in Westchester and the Bronx, then we can do it all across this country."
Progressives latched onto Bowman's candidacy in the closing weeks of the race. He earned late endorsements from prominent liberals, like Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) -- along with Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), whose district borders Engel's in the Bronx.
Bowman's campaign gained more steam amid the protests that followed the killing of George Floyd by the Minneapolis police in late May. Alexandra Rojas, the executive director of the progressive group Justice Democrats, which supported Ocasio-Cortez's successful campaign against an incumbent in 2018, directly tied Bowman's victory to the demonstrations against racial injustice and police brutality.
"Jamaal is the fourth challenger backed by Justice Democrats to unseat an out-of-touch incumbent," Rojas said. "He's one of the first candidates being swept into Congress by the movement in the streets right now, and he won't be the last."
Engel is the second House Democrat successfully primaried this year (Dan Lipinski was the first). Not exactly the Tea Party wave, but progress nonetheless. For his impressive victory, Jamaal Bowman is the winner of this week's Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award, hands down.
[Jamaal Bowman is still technically a private citizen, and we do not link to candidates' websites as a rule, so you'll have to seek his contact information out yourself if you'd like to let him know you appreciate his efforts.]
We didn't have anyone else who disappointed us this week, so we had to rub some salt in this particular wound and hand the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week to Eliot Engel. Not for losing his primary to a progressive challenger, but for the hot mic moment that virtually guaranteed his loss. From the same article:
Engel, who was first elected in 1988, came under fire for riding out the initial weeks of the pandemic at his home in Potomac, Md., a tony suburb just outside Washington. When he did return home, he was caught in an embarrassing, "hot mic" moment, asking the Bronx borough president to speak at a news conference. "If I didn't have a primary, I wouldn't care" about not speaking, Engel said.
He conceded in a statement after the race was called. "The numbers are clear, and I will not be the Democratic nominee for the 16th Congressional District seat in the fall election," said Engel.
At least he had the graciousness to politely bow out.
[Contact Representative Eliot Engel on his House contact page, to let him know what you think of his actions.]
Volume 582 (7/17/20)
We considered going with our normal format this week, but in the end we decided it would just be too vicious, at this point.
Jennifer Rubin, a conservative (but Never-Trumper) writer for the Washington Post bluntly summed up what our talking points would have covered, in response to Donald Trump's insistence on opening all of America's schools with no regard whatsoever for anyone's safety or health:
Perhaps Democrats need to be more blunt. I am certain that if roles were reversed, Republicans would be accusing Democrats of killing thousands and endangering the lives of schoolchildren, their teachers and their families.
. . .
Democrats should be forthright: Trump and Republican governors' reckless actions have caused avoidable illness and death and could result in horrifying scenes of triage like those we saw in Italy. In continuing to interfere with and disregard medical experts, they jeopardize thousands more. Never have we seen a political party so irresponsibly endanger so many lives.
It's pretty easy to come up with slogans to capture this outrage:
"Republicans are the party of death!"
"Donald Trump doesn't care about your child's life!"
"Stop hiding the truth from the people, and let the scientists speak!"
"How many dead kids is Trump's re-election worth to you?"
As we said, pretty brutal. But also pretty accurate. Because, as Rubin pointed out, just imagine what Republicans would be saying if the roles were reversed.
Instead, we're not going to imagine what Republicans are saying, we are instead going to excerpt a rather extraordinary opinion piece in the Post this week from the Republican governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan. Up until now, Hogan has stood out among GOP governors by largely ignoring Trump's instructions and doing what he thought his state needed to be as safe as possible. Trump didn't exactly like this, but up until now Hogan has very gracefully refused to criticize Trump directly for any of it. He's in a touchy position because he is also the head of the National Governors Association, which represents both Democratic and Republican governors across the country. He also leads a state that is solid blue.
This week, though, he finally had had enough and lit into the Trump administration's inaction in great detail. And for the first time, he directly called out Trump. We've cut the parts of the story he tells which deal with his efforts to secure a whole planeload of test kits from South Korea (which you can read in the full version of his article) to focus on what he had to say about the pathetic response from Trump instead:
This should not have been necessary. I'd watched as the president downplayed the outbreak's severity and as the White House failed to issue public warnings, draw up a 50-state strategy, or dispatch medical gear or lifesaving ventilators from the national stockpile to American hospitals. Eventually, it was clear that waiting around for the president to run the nation's response was hopeless; if we delayed any longer, we'd be condemning more of our citizens to suffering and death. So every governor went their own way, which is how the United States ended up with such a patchwork response. I did the best I could for Maryland. Here's what we saw and heard from Washington along the way.
Trump's first public utterance about the coronavirus set the tone for everything that followed. He was in Davos, Switzerland, on Jan. 22, after the first American diagnosis. "Are there worries about a pandemic at this point?" asked CNBC anchor Joe Kernen.
"We have it totally under control," Trump responded unhesitatingly. "It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's going to be just fine." And off the president went for the next eight weeks. The rest of January and February were peppered with cheerful or sarcastic comments and tweets, minimizing the outbreak's severity and the need for Americans to do much of anything.
. . .
So many nationwide actions could have been taken in those early days but weren't. While other countries were racing ahead with well-coordinated testing regimes, the Trump administration bungled the effort. The test used by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention early on was fraught with inaccuracies, and onerous regulations hindered the nation's private labs. The resulting disorganization would delay mass testing for almost two months and leave the nation largely in the dark as the epidemic spread.
Meanwhile, instead of listening to his own public health experts, the president was talking and tweeting like a man more concerned about boosting the stock market or his reelection plans.
America's governors took a different approach. In early February, we descended on Washington for the annual winter meeting of the National Governors Association. As chairman, I had worked closely with the staff for months assembling the agenda, including a private, governors-only briefing at our hotel, the Marriott Marquis, to address the growing viral threat. We brought in Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who was already widely admired but whose awesome knowledge and straight-talking style hadn't yet made him a national rock star; CDC head Robert Redfield; Ken Cuccinelli, the acting deputy secretary of homeland security; Jay Butler, the CDC's deputy director for infectious diseases; and Robert Kadlec, assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services.
They hit us with detailed presentations and the unfiltered truth, as well as it was known then. I remember hearing many dire claims: "This could be catastrophic.... The death toll could be significant.... Much more contagious than SARS.... Testing will be crucial.... You have to follow the science -- that's where the answers lie."
It was jarring, the huge contrast between the experts' warnings and the president's public dismissals. Weren't these the people the White House was consulting about the virus? What made the briefing even more chilling was its clear, factual tone. It was a harrowing warning of an imminent national threat, and we took it seriously -- at least most of us did. It was enough to convince almost all the governors that this epidemic was going to be worse than most people realized.
. . .
But the president was all over the place. He avowed, falsely, that "anybody" could get a test, even as my fellow governors were desperately pleading for help on testing. Then he shifted from boasting to blame. "We inherited a very obsolete system" from the Obama administration, he claimed, conveniently ignoring the fact that his own CDC had designed the troubled U.S. testing system and that his own Food and Drug Administration had waited a full month before allowing U.S. hospital labs to develop their own tests. On March 25, the president was back to bragging again. "We now are doing more testing than anybody by far," including South Korea, whose widespread testing program was being praised around the world. This was true in absolute numbers, since we are a much bigger country, but we'd tested far fewer per capita than the Koreans had -- 1,048 tests per million people vs. South Korea's 6,764 per million -- and of course that was the only figure that mattered. During one White House briefing in late March, Trump said the issue had been dealt with. "I haven't heard about testing for weeks," the president insisted.
Really?
As Trump was making these comments, I was requesting his approval to conduct joint testing at the National Institutes of Health. I even called Francis Collins, the head of NIH, to make this request, but he stopped me before I could. Not to argue but to plead: "Actually, Governor," he said, "I'm glad you called, because I was going to ask you for help." At NIH headquarters, he explained, his people had the capacity to perform only 72 tests a day. "I don't even have enough tests for my immune-compromised patients or for my staff," he said. He wondered if I might prevail upon Johns Hopkins, whose Suburban Hospital is across the street from NIH, to do some testing for him.
I could only shake my head at that. The federal government -- a much bigger and better-funded institution, with tens of thousands of scientists and physicians in the civil service -- wanted my help! Governors always do the hard work, make the tough decisions and take the political heat. But an undertaking as large as a national testing program required Washington's help. We expected something more than constant heckling from the man who was supposed to be our leader.
Trump soon disabused us of that expectation. On April 6, he declared that testing wasn't Washington's responsibility after all. "States can do their own testing," he said. "We're the federal government. We're not supposed to stand on street corners doing testing."
It was hopeless, waiting around for him. Governors were being told that we were on our own. It was sink or swim. And if I didn't do something dramatic, we simply would not come close to having enough tests in Maryland.
. . .
I thought we might get a congratulatory word from the president. Trump always had a taste for bold gestures -- but, apparently, only for bold gestures he could claim. The president spent much of the following Monday's White House briefing criticizing me and dismissing what we had done. "The governor from Maryland didn't really understand" about testing, Trump grumbled. "The governor of Maryland could've called Mike Pence, could've saved a lot of money.... I don't think he needed to go to South Korea. I think he needed to get a little knowledge."
The president's comments that day seemed to confuse test kits with testing labs, but whatever. It was a great day for Maryland.
Pence called me a few days later. We had a friendly and productive conversation on a range of topics related to Maryland and the National Governors Association. At the end of the call, I jokingly said: "By the way, the president said that instead of working with South Korea, I should have just called you to get tests. If I had known it was that easy, I could have saved a heck of a lot of effort!" He chuckled, but there wasn't much else to say.
-- Chris Weigant
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Trump's power to distract and deflect attention is just not working anymore.
He was an semi-literate, racist internet troll and that's all his fans really wanted. He's not even good at trolling anymore although he's still repulsive.
this week he demoted his campaign manager (who took the fall for the Tulsa rally fiasco)
. . . or was it because the Lincoln Project told him that Brad is living large like a billionaire while Fat Donny is going down the drain (or to prison)?
Trump and Republican governors' reckless actions have caused avoidable illness and death and could result in horrifying scenes of triage like those we saw in Italy. In continuing to interfere with and disregard medical experts, they jeopardize thousands more. Never have we seen a political party so irresponsibly endanger so many lives. - Jennifer Rubin
What does she know? Let's check in with Thom Tillis (R-NC):
"You know why I know we’re going to win? Because people remember how good their lives were back in February.”
It's an excellent punch line, but I don't think he intended it as a joke.
Trump isn't necessarily in good control of his decisions. Jim Acosta quotes something Trump said about the resurgence of the virus: “We are putting out that life because it’s a bad life that we’re talking about.” That's less articulate than some kindergartners I know. I think you have to view Trump's actions through the lens of a diminished mental capacity, not just the well-known absence of a moral capacity.
BTW - I don't like that Morning Joe, but I did have it on for a while this morning as I worked from home. Donny Deutsch (who apparently knows the orange one), is just convinced that Drumpf will quit rather than rick losing bigly. I decided to ask the google who this guy is and, to my surprise, the internet says he's "dating" Marla Maples.
It's such a small world.
I wonder if he'll do bean endorsements live on his OANN show next year. You know, like they did on TV talk shows back when America was great?
Lifted from a POLITICO article.
I’m no de Tocqueville, but observing the scattershot approach that Americans are taking to curbing the spread of this awful disease, I couldn’t help but think of this line from his account of touring the U.S. in 1831: “The health of a democratic society may be measured by the quality of functions performed by private citizens.”
By that standard, the pandemic has revealed American democracy in July 2020 to be deeply unhealthy.
Setting aside more cases and deaths among our minorities, when you add the above to police misconduct disproportionatly against minorities (us, as Americans) you get national mixed-race demonstrations, duh.
Winning!
I mean this POLITICO article.
If Trump doesn't want another four years (a) could ya blame him? I mean, what a mess! (b) yeth, it looks like he's trying to throw the election. Always with Trump it's some mix of his fantasy world, his feedback loop and apparently declining cognitive skills. Who can say - a "battery of tests" says the Doctor.
If this is true (and it's not Putin making Trump do as much further harm to America over the next 6 months as possible) don't think Trump doesn't retain the right to either (1) start an October war with Iran or (2) refuse to accept the election results no matter how bad he and the Repugs get blown out. Or both! Trump will do or more likely threaten to do this for "get out of jail free" Federal and SDNY jail cards.
If Trump is threatening to start another Civil War by inflaming his diehard Trumpanzies, SDNY can be brought into the deal...
Of course, let a few dozen groups of Trumpanzies take on their local militarized/even non-militarized law enforcement...and get all shot up. That will be the end of that.
I hated-just-effing-hated when Obama let W and the bankers off the hook. No American should rest until Trump is learning how to hold onto that bar of soap, two hands or not.
I mean, these armchair warrior gunnuts who think they stand any chance against
...even non-State National Guard troops, that is, Sheriffs and Highway Patrolmen, well good luck with that.
Don't everybody speak out at the same time...
(hums "I'm...ronely. So ronely..." song from Team America: World Police)
Chris, your continued silence in acknowledging Gov Newsom's absolute failure in responding with meaningful measures to the COVID-19 pandemic is puzzling. I refuse to speculate about why, but hope you'll one day inform us why you think California's exploding numbers is not disappointing.
Would you consider a Democratic governor from a different state for MDDOW?
'In a press conference on Thursday, Louisiana's Democratic Governor John Bel Edwards called for three days of fasting and praying during lunchtime from July 20 to 22.
"I know it's a little bit unusual," Edwards said. "This will be a spiritual diet and exercise that I, as a Catholic Christian, believe is very important anyway."
He said the prayers are intended for the people of Louisiana, the sick, caretakers and the families of those who have passed on. The idea arose from a telephone conference he had last week with religious leaders from across the state of Louisiana—Edwards said he hosts such a call every three weeks.'
https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-gov-calls-3-days-fasting-prayer-during-lunch-over-covid-1518470
I hope someone reassures Gov Edwards that neither he nor any of his fellow Louisianans needs to pray. Vice President Pence has already talked to God - one of his first decisive actions as head of Trump's coronavirus task force back in March. Just imagine how many Americans would have died between March and today if Pence hadn't prayed!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/photo-of-mike-pence-praying-with-us-coronavirus-taskforce-fuels-criticism
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As a Californian I agree, Gavin started out stellar and winded up in the cellar.
Friday Talking Points -- Is Trump Actually Trying To Lose?
Well, I guess if the FACTS are against ya, ya have to hold onto yer California Dreaming.. :D
FPC,
I also made it clear that your attempt to combine “defund/abolish” as if they are the same exact things is either you showing off your ignorance or your dishonesty.
Except I have the FACTS that show for MANY Democrats, Defund = Abolish..
You see, that's your problem, Russ...
You simply ignore the facts that prove you are the lair and I am dead on ballz accurate...
We do not have lawless areas in our country. If a local police department is abolished, it falls on the county’s sheriff department to cover calls for service. Yes, it may cause major slow downs in service, but they won’t be completely without law enforcement as you seem to imply.
ReallY??? First off, you are parroting what I told Liz when she claimed Camden NJ disbanded their police force and everything was hunky dorky.. I told her, that the police weren't disbanded, they police responsibilities were simply shifted from City PD to SO units..
So, you are simply copying what I already said..
And secondly, you are wrong..
Minneapolis PD was/will be completely disbanded. There will be no SO presence to pick up the slack..
Minneapolis will be instituting a program of "social enforcement" whereas social workers will be on hand to respond to 911 calls..
Minneapolis Will Dismantle Its Police Force, Council Members Pledge
Saying the existing Police Department cannot be reformed, a majority of the City Council has promised to rethink public safety from the ground up in the wake of George Floyd’s killing.
nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-abolish.html
Minneapolis council members expand on calls to disband police
Council members want to create a new system of public safety, but say they don't know what that will look like without input from constituents.
Mental health calls or drug overdoses, for example, could be handled by specialized social workers instead of officers. “We can send a city response that that is appropriate to each situation and makes it better,” Ward Three council member Fletcher wrote in Time last week. “We can resolve confusion over a $20 grocery transaction without drawing a weapon or pulling out handcuffs.”
RELATED: Imagine a world without police
Bender made some of those same points on Monday.
“A lot of those calls shouldn’t be answered by an armed police officer,” Bender said, citing a review of 911 records in Minneapolis. “Sometimes that makes the situation worse.”
kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/minneapolis-council-members-expand-on-calls-to-disband-police/89-77c01759-39fb-412c-aac2-7baddacb90c1
Once again.. You spew Party Slavery based BS...
I have the facts that PROVE your Party Slavery BS is just that.. BS
You need to come to grips, Russ, with the FACT that your Democrat Party supports defunding/abolishing the police...
You have to ask yourself are you on the cop's side...??? Are you on Devon's side???
Or are you on the Democrat Party's side??
"Dood, you gotta pick a lane!"
-Metatron, SUPERNATURAL
As a Californian I agree, Gavin started out stellar and winded up in the cellar.
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Funny how yer heroes constantly fall at your feet because they are everything that I said they were... :D
FPC,
JL,
But back to the accusation theme... America is not prepared for schools opening this fall. This will be bad
This is not factually accurate.. The Democrat Party is not prepared for this country to get back on it's feet because President Trump, rightly, will be given credit..
So, the Democrats are going to piss off the ONE Constituency that they actually have some advantage in... :D
From all the facts, it's the Democrat Party with their Direct Action Sections, AntiFa and Black Lies Matter, that is trying to lose this election..
And they are doing a bang-up job of doing just that..
Look. If your Democrat Party can send out looters and cop-haters and cop-killers and arsonists to protest....
We can send kids to school...
The completely and utter illogic of the Democrat Party is truly a sight to behold..
FPC
MC,
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Yeah, I know. I guess DonMichale pay Chris pretty good for him to subject the rest of us to these two clowns.
Do you REALLY think insulting our host is a good way to score points here??
I mean, yea.. Yer fellow Trump/America haters eat it up...
But hay.. They are lusers too...
Show some class... Yer getting as bad as DH...
FPC,
And the FOP has not endorsed Trump in 2020. Michale is a full of shit wanna-be cop whose own failure to follow his training as an MP resulted in him taking a life. And he wonders why no department would hire him out of the military! So sad...boo hoo!
As usual, Russ spews bullshit without a single solitary iota of a fact to support his claim..
For the record, the USAF do not have "MP"'s you ignorant moron..
Try putting on a uniform and actually LEARN the facts..
Oh that's right.. Pussy Democrats hate their country and are afraid to serve in the military...
Russ, yer so full of shit yer eyes are brown..
More facts that prove Russ is full of shit..
Minneapolis City Council Unanimously Votes To Replace Police With Community-Led Model
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/06/12/minneapolis-city-council-unanimously-votes-to-replace-police-with-community-led-model/#6c495c0571a5
Face reality, people..
Your Democrat Party supports abolishing the PDs and SOs all over the country..
This is well-documented..
And the fact that you are spewing bullshit and claiming that Democrats DON'T support abolishing/defunding the police PROVES ya'all know what an utterly jacked and moronic idea it is...
That's ya'all's Democrat Party..
And what's REALLY hilarious is that the people most hurt and killed by these bone head actions will be black Americans...
So, once again, the Democrat Party attacks and throws to the wolves one of it's largest constituencies...
No wonder black Americans are turning to President Trump by the tens of millions...
It's a matter of their survival...
Teachers' unions balk at reopening schools, hurting country and Trump
https://thehill.com/opinion/education/507576-teachers-unions-balk-at-reopening-schools-hurting-country-and-trump
Teachers Unions don't care about the kids...
They just want to hurt this country and President Trump and if they have to hurt their own kids to do it??
So be it...
:eyeroll: morons...
For instance, United Teachers Los Angeles released a paper decrying “our profoundly racist, intensely unequal society” and stating that “Police violence is a leading cause of death and trauma for Black people…
Complete and utter bullshit...
Do you know how many black American deaths are caused by cops?? .08% of all black deaths in a given year are caused by LEOs.. And virtually ALL of those deaths are justified...
Do you know how many black American deaths in a given year are caused by other black Americans?? 96%...
If you want to plug those facts into real world numbers, postulate a year where 10,000 black Americans are killed...
**EIGHT** of those 10,000 are killed by cops..Virtually ALL justified...
**NINETY SIX HUNDRED** are killed by other black Americans...
That LA Teacher's Union is completely and utterly full of kaa kaa...
And THAT is not even the leading cause of black American deaths in this country.. You know the most dangerous neighborhood for the black American to be in??
The womb.... Abortions are the NUMBER 1 leading cause of black American deaths in this country.. BY FAR...
That's why I have to laugh when BLM claims that black lives matter.. The FACTS clearly show that, for Black Lies Matter, black American lives don't matter one single bit...
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
Florida health official says man who died in motorcycle crash listed as coronavirus death
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/florida-health-official-admits-man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-listed-as-coronavirus-death
This is exactly why the death count from covid is laughably exaggerated..
OrlandoHealth made a boo boo with their decimal point. The reported 98% Covid Positive test results, when it was actually 9.8% positive..
Entire counties in FL are reporting 100% positive test results when the facts are is 100% NEGATIVE test results..
Covid is almost as big of a con as the now defunct Global Warming con...
I demand a retraction.
"Yeah, well.. Good luck with that.."
-Jim Carrey, BRUCE ALMIGHTY
:D
Wouldn't that make it two demands?
amongst our weaponry are such elements as fear, surprise... I'll come in again
- Monty python's flying circus
Legally armed driver shoots, kills gunman to stop fatal shooting spree in Indiana
The suspect allegedly attacked two cemetery workers without provocation
https://www.foxnews.com/us/legally-armed-driver-shoots-kills-gunman-shooting-indiana
Another good guy with a gun saves lives...
Fortunately for this country and REAL Americans, Democrats have utterly failed at their attempts to get rid of the 2nd Amendment..
Just like Democrats fail at everything else..
"Failed.. Failed.. IMPRESSIVELY failed.."
-NASA Doctor, ARMAGEDDON
Chris,
If Trump actually is interested in beating Biden, he's certainly going about it in the wrong way. Trump had a golden opportunity when the pandemic began, because if he had shown even a modicum of leadership and even a shred of human decency and empathy, the race would right now be a lot closer. If Trump had addressed the nation, admitted the facts, rallied people to fight the pandemic in every way possible, trusted the scientists, urged people to wear masks, developed a national plan to deal with the crisis, and repeatedly helped the nation mourn those we've lost (now at 140,000 and climbing), then Donald Trump would be seen in a radically different light right now.
Do we really still not know who Trump is, at this late stage? Of course, not!:)
So, Trump is a poor Pandemic leader. He is living up to expectations, nothing more or less.
Meanwhile, what's the matter with California!? I thought Democratic leadership there knew how to get this thing under control. Are Californians taking this deadly virus seriously, yet?
Liz,
So, Trump is a poor Pandemic leader. He is living up to expectations, nothing more or less.
That's a matter of opinion not congruent with the facts..
It would do well for you to remember what the Democrat Party were doing when all of this kicked off..
Their faux impeachment coup..
Considering how badly Democrats frak'ed things up, it's amazing President Trump is doing so well..
It was funny when you wrote "Stop hiding the truth from the people...".
That's the problem with everyone here.. Ya'all are all so concerned about the "truth".. YOUR "truth"..
Normal people who are not enslaved by ideological dogma are interested in FACTS...
People that are not enslaved by ideological dogma are interested in finding out if alleged facts are true.
Truth is subjective... Facts are not..
Unless one is in church, no one should be concerned about "truth"..
Facts rule the world, not "truth"..
Ya'all's "truth" was that Hillary was going to be President..
The FACTS were quite different..
Just as ya'all's "truth" is that Biden is going to be President...
The FACTS will, once again, prove the fallacy of ya'all's "truth"...
CW: Instead, he concentrated on what he felt was important: the stock market, the economy, and, now, forcing children back to school even if it is not safe for this to happen.
It makes sense if you think about it: A narcissist with zero empathy for others, who is not equipped in any way whatsoever to govern and who judges his self-worth by numbers. Must downplay the death on its way. Must create the narrative it's all a "hoax"... tell them it's "like the common cold" and pretend like everything is great. This is psychotic!
As those paying attention can attest, the states that followed Trump's lead and were first to reopen are now leading the country in deaths and disease, and that's on Trump. Yes, you can survive COVID-19, but it isn't always without permanent and irreversible damage to your lungs, kidneys, heart, brain, etc. that will last for the remainder of your life.
This did not have to happen, and the Trump administration's response and downplaying and outright ignoring the reality of SARS-CoV-2 made it worse. Testing is obviously still an issue all over America because Trump doesn't want people being tested and keeps whining about how testing creates cases (you know, like a pregnancy test will create a baby).
Trump isn't mentally capable of handling the crisis, and even if he was, he's proven he's choosing his numbers over the health and safety of Americans. Not only that, he's busy trying to take away Obamacare/ACA during a pandemic. Trump doesn't care.
All the lying, all the dying. Enough.
So to recap: The circus we've got now is exactly what happens when you allow self-centered ignorant people to take the lead while constantly lying about near everything and throwing shit all over the place to distract from what's really going on.
No matter how much you want to pin the blame on Trump and the Republicans for the pandemic response and deaths the Dems also share the blame for the situation we now find ourselves in.
The false alternative they have offered for decades made it possible for Trump to be elected and impossible to have a functioning government and democracy.
Democrats have been involved in government for almost 50 years...
President Trump?? Less than 4...
And ALL of this is President Trump's fault???
Laughable....
Only a Party slave would make such a contention...
If he wants to lose, why wouldn't everyone offer assistance? Where in the hell is that adult in the room Anonymous? Have Moscow Mitch and his China wife abandoned that little project of theirs? On second thought, now that the niece has upstaged them, who wants to read their next installment anyway?
Mitch is really pushing those libtard masks back here in KY. Maybe he's trying to lose too. Why else would he be promoting this hoax in solid red Trump Virus death cult territory?
Michale,
Go ahead and read the rest of my comment. Sheesh!
Don Harris
43
The false alternative they have offered for decades made it possible for Trump to be elected and impossible to have a functioning government and democracy.
And we don't even need any slogans like you provided for the Republicans.
But why stop there with your exercises in false equivalency? If you hadn't been so laughably lousy and breathtakingly bad at hawking your one-man crusade, everything in America would now be principled and purity, and all of the evil political people from every political party in America would have been long since vanquished to the dustbin of history.
This is all on you and your total ineptitude and incompetence.
From now on let's just call the Dems the DEATHOCRATS.
From now on, let's just call you Deadbeat Don.
Bingo!
Yeah, because name-calling is what this place is all about.
Elizabeth Miller
52
Yeah, because name-calling is what this place is all about.
I started commenting on this blog when the author asked America to come up with a name for Donald Trump. If you've got a problem with name calling, take it up with the author of the blog and your troll friends.
Will you be coming to the CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party, Kick? I have something special planned ...
Oh, and Kick, the name-calling I was referring to is that which is applied to fellow Weigantians, not POTUS.
We are a community here, you know ...
I started commenting on this blog when the author asked America to come up with a name for Donald Trump.
Shocking. Positively shocking.
Heh.
Elizabeth Miller
55
Oh, and Kick, the name-calling I was referring to is that which is applied to fellow Weigantians, not POTUS.
So what part of take it up with the author and your troll friends is confusing for you?
We are a community here, you know ...
So who put you in charge of everyone else? Name them, please.
You're incorrigible!
:-)
Elizabeth Miller
56
Shocking. Positively shocking.
You've now dragged the original response into two comment boxes of the routine variety standard intermeddling of yours. You done yet or will you be aiming for a trifecta of your ankyloproctia?
I was bingoing Don's culpability for Drumpf and the Trump Virus and the Trump Depression.
I see.
JFC
60
I was bingoing Don's culpability for Drumpf and the Trump Virus and the Trump Depression.
I know, right!?
If Don wasn't so infinitely inferior and horrendously horrible in selling his Perfect Peremptory Purity Plan, we'd obviously all now be living in political Utopia where unicorns fart rainbows and the pixies frolic in the meadow.*
___________________
*props to CW
Hell no, Trump is NOT trying to lose. That would give Obama the last laugh, and drive Trump the last millimeter over the edge.
It's ridiculous to even suggest that he might be trying, because that argument requires attributing some degree of rationality to the moron.
If you hadn't been so laughably lousy and breathtakingly bad at hawking your one-man crusade, everything in America would now be principled and purity, and all of the evil political people from every political party in America would have been long since vanquished to the dustbin of history.
. . . funny how wRong Paul (R-Tx) promised all the same stuff and he never mentioned ODD.
The rEVOLution will be spammed!
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ankyloproctia?. Look at you, with yer fancy words haha
Just when you thought Dumbocrats could NOT be any more moronic...???
LAPD Officer Who Shot and Killed a Suspect is Under Scrutiny Because She’s Also a Competitive Shooter
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lapd-officer-who-shot-and-killed-a-suspect-under-scrutiny-because-shes-also-a-competitive-shooter/
They plumb new depths of stoopidity...
DH,
In reality facts are not subjective.
Yea.. That's what *I* said...
It's 'truth' that is subjective...
Liz,
Yeah, because name-calling is what this place is all about.
Yea, it has been since Vick and her ilk showed up..
Before they got here, this place was fun....
I started commenting on this blog when the author asked America to come up with a name for Donald Trump.
That alone should tell people, at least the old-timers how bad the HHPTDS has gotten around here...
Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that Weigantia would sponsor a "Name-Calling Contest"...
It's like the Vatican opening up a strip club & bordello..
Goes against everything that the place stood for...
FTP 2/23/18
[185] Michale wrote:
Since Michael was never a state commissioned police officer but was a military police officer (which means he never dealt with anyone who wasn’t completely tied to the military’s rules),
That's not factually accurate... I was a certified deputy sheriff and a graduate of a POST certified Police Academy..
But, of course FACTS have no place here..
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, February 26th, 2018 at 12:35 UTC ]
You were a ”certified deputy sheriff”??? Kinda like someone can be a “certified court stenographer” in just 6 easy weeks, yet never work as a court stenographer? You were not actually a sheriff’s deputy, but you could have been hired as one... except no one would hire you!
How embarrassing for you!!! To spend the money and time to go to what was clearly the Trump University equivalent of a police academy, graduate and get “certified”.... and still no department would hire you! Wow! No wonder you are so quick to steal the honor of those that do put their lives on the line for their communities every day...you are just that pathetic!
Hell, we have no way of knowing if you were ever actually in the military either!
I guess I was lying about you claiming to be a MP in the service, too?
Yes, you are lying about that as well..
You simply can't stop lying..
But we both know you are lying.
Once again.. You accuse me of what you are doing..
[ Monday, November 4th, 2019 at 02:55 UTC ]
Do I need to post your long story of how when you were a military police officer your inability to follow basic policy for responding to calls for service resulted in you shooting a woman? You know, the one you claimed I was lying about when I said that you had told me the story?!?
What is so pathetic isn’t just that you’d lie about being a police officer in the military, but that you made yourself out to be a terrible one!
Michale,
You should actually read the articles you post... but you never do and so you get fooled into posting links based on what you think the headline is saying. Ignorance must be bliss as much as you love to wallow in it.
Several Minneapolis police officers issued a public letter Thursday condemning the killing of George Floyd, embracing Chief Medaria Arradondo and vowing to work toward regaining public trust. The letter, obtained by the Star Tribune, says it represents how the "vast majority" of Minneapolis police officers feel. "We want to work with you and for you to regain your trust," it reads.
And the council’s vote does nothing but create a year long process of looking at creating a new police force. It does not leave the public without law enforcement. Like Trump, your schtick ain’t cutting it, anymore.
And now, a Lincoln Project ditty.
Don Harris
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I do not make a false equivalency argument. The two parties are different degrees of bad.
OMG. You think the false equivalency I'm referring to is between the two Parties? So it's actually not an act with you? You really are that stupid!
You can spew your bullshit that CW or anyone else has no responsibility to advertise One Demand but it doesn't make it true.
Yes, I can spew just like you; too bad you can't recognize a fact when your see one. I blame your inherent ignorance and that creepy sense of entitlement you keep whining about. No one has a responsibility to shill for you.
It is not advertising- it is providing information that may not be available through other means such as advertising which is what journalists are supposed to do.
You have my sincere sympathy for your bone-deep ignorance.
Now sod off.
Mike
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Yea, it has been since Vick and her ilk showed up..
If only your immense hatred, name calling and vulgarity weren't archived to your left.
Before they got here, this place was fun....
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance. Your memory is as bad as your trolling. Like I said... archived to your left. *laughs*
Michale
70
Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that Weigantia would sponsor a "Name-Calling Contest"...
Sponsor!? You should keep a dictionary nearby and check it frequently whenever it is that you believe you know what you're talking about.
So it's in your "wildest dreams" where you attempt thinking? Because it's quite obvious you don't even deign to try reasoning when lucid.
It's like the Vatican opening up a strip club & bordello..
Goes against everything that the place stood for...
Oh, really? You should revisit some of your vulgarity from 2014. You made this place into what it is long before others showed up.
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2012/03/09/ftp201/#comment-20147
Own your own shit and stop blaming others. You're hysterical rants and ignorance are actually archived... to your left.
^^^^^ EDIT ^^^^^
You're hysterical, and your rants and ignorance are actually archived... to your left.
Russ keeps making you look stupid too. I'm sure glad he is around to correct the record and all your lying.
MtnCaddy,
First off, stop posting on old threads.
You posted on an old thread about foreign policy and Joe Biden. It was mostly wrong.
The "peace" deal that Saddam Hussein signed after the 1991 Gulf War wasn't worth the paper it was written on as Iraq's president was in violation of it at the time of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Hence, the goals of the 1991 conflict were not met.
Biden did not vote for the Iraq War. Period. Nobody did, in fact, despite various presidential candidates at various points in time since the 2003 Invasion of Iraq and who shall remain nameless saying they regretted "voting for war". That vote was for giving the Bush administration authorization to go to war IF certain conditions were met. (I'll let you research those conditions).
In 2002, some Democrats and Republicans in Congress were working to put more restrictions on Bush/CHENEY et al. Senators Biden and Lugar proposed strong restrictions but were stymied by Rep. D-Gephardt who worked out a less restrictive deal with Bush and it won the day.
Biden did NOT regret his vote for the Authorization For the Use of Military Force in Iraq (AUMF) per se (Biden's senate floor speeches on October 9th and 10th are instructive) but, he did regret that President Bush did not use that authority competently to avoid war, as he would have done if he was president under the same situation with Saddam's violations of UN Security Council Resolutions.
And, by the time Bush/CHENEY finally decided for a surge in troops it was way too late. Biden was calling for a troop surge as soon as the invasion went South, soon after it began. The troop surge in Iraq was not responsible for bringing stability. By that time in Iraq, the factions had already separated into there own enclaves and that brought about a good amount of the so-called stability.
By 2005 Biden had begun to develop a plan for US policy in Iraq and, in a sense of the Senate Resolution in September of 2007 his plan received over 75 votes. When was the last time that happened in the US Senate!?
Biden's Iraq strategy had nothing whatsoever to do with carving up the country into sectarian statelets! It was not partition. Not even soft partition. Partition is a loaded word and too many people at the time should have known better than to use it. You can read what the Biden plan outlined in the September 2007 Sense of the Senate Resolution. Biden produced a plan that would do the opposite of carving up a country or partition - it would seek to keep the country united in a federated system with a lot of local autonomy for Sunnis, Shi'a, and Kurds, much like the United States of America, in fact. By the way, Biden was the only pol on the planet who devoted his time to righting US policy in Iraq.
One more point on Iraq - correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Senators Obama and Clinton voted at least once against funding the war in Iraq while Biden voted for it. Why would he do that? Because he was responsible for getting quite a sum of money in those funding bills to produce MRAP light tactical vehicles (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) that ended up protecting a lot of American soldiers from the roadside improvised explosive devices that had been killing so many of them. Let Obama and Hillary explain their votes in that context!
Since 2003 until present, Biden has ended his speeches with the usual God Bless America and ends with, "And, May God protect our troops."
Afghanistan has never been stable and more US troops will never make it so. Biden was absolutely right about that and has been proven so.
I don't mind saying that I am beyond sick and tired of having to correct all of this.
Furthermore, you've got the VP analysis ass-backwards, too. Obama picked Biden because the junior senator from Illinois had no foreign policy chops, though he had good speeches on foreign soil. If Biden picks Susan Rice, it won't be to fill a foreign policy expertise void, that is for damn sure.
That article you posted wasn't written by Stephen Zunes, by chance, was it? Don't even ask.
@don,
some historians have inferred from circumstantial evidence that the vatican (or certain members at least) may have had an interest in certain brothels, but there's no actual proof of the organization having run them. of course, that doesn't stop folks from having fun with the idea...
We've flattened their fingers
We've branded their buns
Nothing is working!
SEND IN THE NUNS!
~Torquemada, history of the world part I
First off, stop posting on old threads.
Wow. What ever happened to please? It's not as if he posted on a closed thread. I was under the impression that this is a civilized community with some couth.
BTW - impressive long in the tooth groupie rage.
In [a previous thread] ListenWhenYouHear wrote:
You seem to be going well beyond “local policing” in your examples.
The point of the wastewater example was to explain that yes, there is a difference between compliance-oriented and enforcement-oriented exercises of government authority. And there is.
Personally, I think we’d be much better off if the focus was on our judicial system.
I'm certainly open to favoring some changes there too. I haven't come up with tentatively-satisfactory alternative institutional structures, though.
Meter maids are not police officers
... which is why the bad guys feel no need to shoot them. Even if they see the meter maid running their license plate, and it's their own car. They know that the authorities have found out where they are, but they also know that they are going to get to drive away, because when the authorities come for them it won't be a meter maid.
In my system, it also wouldn't be ONE general-purpose first-responder (i.e. a police officer) with one more in the car. It would usually be someone from the public defender's office, saying "Hi, I'm your lawyer unless you hire your own. The first step to helping you avoid a long sentence is for you to show up to your court date." The bad guys would also have no reason to shoot their own lawyer. If the bad guys refuse to come along under their own power, it would be a team of apprehension officers, who specialize in that kind of thing and have brought adequate backup. Because those situations are rare, we wouldn't need very many.
... nor do they handle traffic stops.
I want non-police-officers to handle traffic stops. That way, the the bad guys would feel no need to shoot traffic personnel either.
You do not want traffic stops to include running the drivers’ ID it sounds like.
I want the driver to get to drive away, even when running the ID shows that they're a suspect. Because I want public employees to be safe, same as I want everyone to be safe.
You are choosing for mass murderers to be able to kill countless more innocent victims
Believe it or not, mass murderers spend the vast majority of their time doing things other than mass-murdering. When there's a mass shooting in progress, the team that responds isn't a traffic cop. It's a completely different situation than the one we're talking about.
You keep saying that the bad guys won’t hurt people if the police are just left out of the equation
I certainly never said anything like that. You're bordering on willful distortion here.
They don't shoot meter maids (except coincidentally). They do shoot cops, whom they perceive as a threat that can be dealt with by shooting. If traffic enforcement presents as unthreateningly as parking enforcement, they will shoot traffic officers as rarely as they shoot meter maids.
If the team sent to apprehend them has adequate equipment and backup, some of the bad guys will still shoot at them. But I also want to outlaw high-powered firearms designed to kill officers wearing body armor. (Do you? If not, then stop pretending that blue lives matter to you.)
When it's one cop doing a traffic stop, the bad guys have a clear incentive. If they shoot the cop, they expect to drive away. If they don't, they expect to be arrested. On my system, they would never have that incentive. The traffic officer wouldn't arrest them, and the apprehending team wouldn't give them a chance to get away just by shooting someone. Not all of them would recognize that, but a lot would.
Crimes are committed for various reasons, which are often stupid and never justified (outside of civil disobedience, which isn't what we're talking about). But those reasons almost always are comprehensible. Revenge. Money. Deterrence. Enforcement of their privileges. The majority of victims know the perpetrators. If suspects are prosecuted a little more slowly (which wouldn't actually be the case, but I'll grant it for the sake of argument), the result won't be continuous, ubiquitous carnage. Bad guys who get speeding tickets will just go back to their day jobs, and when someone from the government shows up at their door, they'll have no reason to shoot -- either because it's their lawyer, or because they have no hope of avoiding the apprehension team by shooting. Some will shoot anyway, but fewer.
And by the way, I've never been in law enforcement, but I have shown up at people's door, from the government, asking questions. I was a census enumerator. If someone is going to shoot their own defense lawyer, they're at least as likely to shoot a nosy busybody from the federal government. And that's unlikely enough that I'm quite willing to do it again.
Not all crimes are committed for comprehensible reasons. There are Columbine copycat killers who are completely deranged, but they're not even a percentage. They're a fraction of a percent.
Abolishing police, and replacing them with separate departments for the various things we demand of them that go together like using a combination computer/hammer as a life jacket, wouldn't make everyone perfectly safe. The only thing that can possibly do that, at this point, is nuclear war and the safety of the grave. But it would make people somewhat safer, by removing the motives for some killings.
Biden did not vote for the Iraq War. Period. Nobody did
Oh please. Authorizing Bush to go to war is like "authorizing" an egg to fall to the floor when it's left to its own devices in mid-air. If you drop an egg, you broke the egg. Bush was going to invade. Everyone knew it.
Elizabeth Miller
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First off, stop posting on old threads.
OMG!? Could you please give this bullshit a rest? If the author of the blog didn't want people posting on prior day's threads, he wouldn't leave them open for that very purpose.
Get over yourself!
Could you please lighten up a little bit, Kick?
JFC,
I think you may need to lighten up a bit, too, for God's sake. I mean, jeez ... ;)
So, Kick and JFC(of all people around here!),
I trust that you'll both be coming to the CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party because, you know, I have something very special planned ...
No one around here knows Biden the way I do. And, no one understands that better than the author of this blog, you know ... hehehehehehehe
You know, I think y'all would be great fun at parties ... it's just too damn bad that I'll never find out!
Talk about taking yourselves too seriously ... attend a few CW Sunday Night Music Festivals and Dance Parties and you may actually be fun enough to hang around with ... but, I, for one, won't be holdin' my breath. :)
I have to work tomorrow so I won't be getting the festivities underway until after 6pm ... unless someone beats me to it! In which case, I'll fall off my chair.
And, by the way, if you think Biden is a tool and doesn't know anything about foreign policy, then ... vote for Trump. Heh.
Do you think I have so much time on my hands that I can keep traking back to old comment threads?
Life is too short for that nonsense!
Get with the damn program, people! The only one around here who can engage in that sort of thing is our gracious host, himself. :)
Because he is actually worth tracking back for, you know.
Wish I could say it's been fun. But, you guys are not a laugh riot, not by a long shot! :(
One of these distressing days, you'll find out that life is too short for your antics.
Elizabeth Miller
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Biden did not vote for the Iraq War. Period.
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If there is one thing about the history of America that is irrefutable: It is archived for all posterity. :)
Yes, Kick, Senator Biden was telling the American people that if the Bush administration chose to go to war, it would not be easy and that such action could not be sustained if the American people were not in support of it - no foreign policy could be be sustained without the informed consent of the American people.
You should archive Biden's speeches on the Senate floor just before the vote on the AUMF. But, I kinda know you won't. For reasons that are painfully obvious.
Biden said, "War is everyone’s business. The nation is mobilizing for it. But there are questions. There are fears. There’s uncertainty and doubt. We’re told it will be a potentially short war, but – let’s be clear – winning the peace could be a much more daunting task. I’m not certain Americans understand what it will take to hold the separate parts of Iraq together once Saddam is gone. I’m not certain they’ve been fully informed as to how we plan on balancing the conflicting interests of the Kurds and the Turkmen in the north and the Shi’a in the south."
Biden went on to say, "This week Secretary Powell brought America’s case to the United Nations. He showed the world compelling evidence that Saddam is in material breach of United Nations resolutions.
"He made the case. He made it forthrightly and he made it well. I may not agree completely with every detail of what he said or the implications of every detail.
"But bringing the case to the United Nations was the right thing to do. Solidarity in the United Nations Security Council is the best means to avoid war. Let me repeat that. Only when Saddam realizes there is a strong international consensus will he stop trying to drive a wedge between the U.S. and our allies. Consensus is our best and probably our last chance to concentrate his mind clearly about his choice of war or peace."
"Iraq could start giving away its weapons of mass destruction to terrorists. It could create a humanitarian nightmare among the Kurds in the north and the Shi’a in the south, denying them food and medicine, even use chemical weapons against them. Saddam has done it in the past and could do it again.
"Maybe none of these things will occur, but if we prosecute this war without the American people fully aware of the possibilities – without understanding the consequences – without an explanation of the implications of our actions around the world, we will be hard pressed to win the peace and even harder pressed to win the hearts and minds of the world.
"To be honest, some in the Administration think it doesn’t matter what other nations think. All that matters is that we win, because everybody loves a winner. That’s wrong! Dead wrong! Let me tell you, it matters.
"It matters because our basic immediate interests cannot be fully secured without longer term cooperation with other nations.
"We must convince them, not coerce them.
"Our allies in Europe resent it when they hear us saying that Europe is tired, indecisive, and ultimately unwilling to do what’s necessary to keep the peace.
"They resent it when they hear us say that Europe commands too much of our resources and attention. We must understand that words matter and how we convey our values matters deeply."
Kick,
It's never a good idea to quote out of context. And, that goes especially when you are quoting from a Biden speech!
Biden gave support to the troops when Obama and Hillary would not.
Enough said.
Elizabeth Miller
97
Yes, Kick, Senator Biden was telling the American people that if the Bush administration chose to go to war, it would not be easy and that such action could not be sustained if the American people were not in support of it - no foreign policy could be be sustained without the informed consent of the American people.
He wasn't so much "telling the American people" as he was giving a speech to the New Castle County Chamber of Commerce that day, but he made it "absolutely clear" that he "supported the resolution to go to war."
This ain't rocket science, Canada. Biden supported it and was "NOT opposed to war to remove weapons of mass destruction from Iraq" and said "I am NOT opposed to war to remove Saddam from those weapons if it comes to that."
You needn't keep making excuses for Biden; he supported it at the time. He didn't so much like the way it was executed afterwards, but he dang sure supported the doing it.
You should archive Biden's speeches on the Senate floor just before the vote on the AUMF.
They're already archived in the annals of history.
But, I kinda know you won't. For reasons that are painfully obvious.
(1) They've been archived for decades.
(2) It's far below my pay grade.
If Biden is elected, America will have the best equipped foreign policy president, ever.
Why the Hell else do you think I support him!
Elizabeth Miller
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It's never a good idea to quote out of context. And, that goes especially when you are quoting from a Biden speech!
I didn't quote out of context. I know what he went on to say, and I had quoted quite enough of the speech already. Rather than quote the entire thing, I posted a link.
(1) They've been archived for decades.
(2) It's far below my pay grade.
Ha! Showing your true colours! I love it.
I've wasted enough time with you on this issue.
MtnCaddy,
Good luck to Trump if he ever brings up the subject of Iraq or Afghanistan with Biden in a debate, should he ever find the courage to debate him.
I, for one, will be looking forward to that moment!
Elizabeth Miller
103
If Biden is elected, America will have the best equipped foreign policy president, ever.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt is the gold standard in America for foreign policy expertise. Presidents in the United States are judged on foreign policy by their deeds. If Biden is elected, he will definitely rank right up there unless he screws it up in the execution.
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MtnCaddy,
First off, stop posting on old threads.
You posted on an old thread...
First off...go fuck yourself Board Mother...
Now I'll go read the rest of your post
Kick,
If Biden is elected, he will definitely rank right up there unless he screws it up in the execution.
Agreed!
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JFC - BTW is Censira --- Censornati some even more obscure Canadia Province than Newfoundland?
Yeah, I know. Our dear but perhaps slightly controlling be Elizabeth Miller just made me go, "WTF?"
Somebody needs to tell our gal that Joe is already seeing somebody.
WTF ... don't you know already that that is my handle on Poker Stars ... it's short for the Obama/Biden administration's Win the Future idea, or whatever, until they realized what havoc that would cause. At which time they promptly stopped using it! Hehehehehehe
dsws,
On my system, they would never have that incentive. The traffic officer wouldn't arrest them, and the apprehending team wouldn't give them a chance to get away just by shooting someone.
Except that the apprehension team won’t show up if the traffic officer never gets to run the driver’s name. So there is the incentive to kill the traffic officer. I cannot wait to see the costs of having apprehension teams sitting around doing nothing while they await being called out to those BIG calls that are their responsibilities.
But I also want to outlaw high-powered firearms designed to kill officers wearing body armor. (Do you? If not, then stop pretending that blue lives matter to you.)
I am for much stricter gun laws. I think the 2nd Amendment needs to be re-written. The Supreme Court’s refusal to read the amendment as it is written (completely ignoring the purpose statement regarding militias) is a real problem. Get rid of the guns, and you’d be amazed at how the number of deaths by guns would drop.
Crimes are committed for various reasons, which are often stupid and never justified (outside of civil disobedience, which isn't what we're talking about). But those reasons almost always are comprehensible. Revenge. Money. Deterrence. Enforcement of their privileges. The majority of victims know the perpetrators.
A good majority do not make sense — they are committed by heavily intoxicated people or by those with mental issues or by heavily intoxicated people with mental issues.
Bad guys who get speeding tickets will just go back to their day jobs, and when someone from the government shows up at their door, they'll have no reason to shoot -- either because it's their lawyer, or because they have no hope of avoiding the apprehension team by shooting. Some will shoot anyway, but fewer.
Bad guys will be able to get back to raping, killing, and every other crime you can imagine. I cannot imagine how many of the worst serial killers would still be killing innocent people if they had not been apprehended by the police thanks to a traffic stop. But with your plan, a driver can be covered in blood and have a severed head in the baby’s car seat and two victims bound and still alive in the backseat, but the driver is only being stopped for a driving infraction — so screw the living hostages in the back seat.
The fact is that police respond to literally millions of calls for service every week in this country with no incidents. The police “react”, they rarely just “act” without provocation. You never read of an officer just randomly walking up to a total stranger and assaulting them. When citizens threaten the lives of others with their actions, the police are expected to stop them from harming others by any means necessary. While I am all for communities taking on more responsibilities and lightening the load that police are burdened with, you will quickly learn that policing has been responding to the public’s demands more so in the last 30 years than at any other time in our nation’s history. There is always room for improvement, but they deserve far more respect than what they get.
But, I use it occasionally, if not quite frequently. Ahem.
I am for much stricter gun laws. I think the 2nd Amendment needs to be re-written. The Supreme Court’s refusal to read the amendment as it is written (completely ignoring the purpose statement regarding militias) is a real problem. Get rid of the guns, and you’d be amazed at how the number of deaths by guns would drop.
I think that perfectly summs up one of the reasons why I love you, Russ!
Okay, it's getting late and I have to work tomorrow.
See y'all at the CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party!
Try to be good in the meantime, okay ...
MntCaddy,
<i.First off...go fuck yourself Board Mother...
Now I know how Mother Nature really feels. Bravo!
Perhaps, now, you'll think of something positive to contribute.
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dsws this is the best response I've seen across my media platforms to the question, "How to reform our police?"
As ex Army I experienced the power of training/retraining. Cops go through their version of Boot Camp, and it's only a change in attitude that'll get us closer to a more perfect union. Training/retraining is the ticket, Laddie! And keep in mind any reforms wrought will almost certainly require public support for funding, hello
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I dunno, Kick. Ya gotta give Lincoln some love for keeping European powers from joining the Confederacy during our Civil War. Truth is, Abe hardly have a fuck about slavery, and emancipated American slaves mainly to keep Europe from joining the "evil" Rebels.
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Well, I'm pleased that it was as good for you as 'twas for moi, Dearheart!
Ahem, Dearheart, but like bleeping Repugd you (in this instance) failed to address the bulk of my post. To start, Joe and Hillary got stampeded into supporting W. Obama did NOT and it's a part of the reason he beat Corporatist Hillary.
Do you not think Trump will brand Joe as Corporatist? On top of Corrupt?
Just sayin'
LizM [86],
I think you may need to lighten up a bit, too
Do you make Joe Biden Youtube vids?
You've misread the tone of my comment, but I realize that I never smile or stick my tongue out. I'm sort of a non-state actor and I like to let the audience interpret the performance.
I do have to admit that the power rush that I got from policing which words may be used or not used (and where) was intense. I could get hooked on this hall monitor thing.
MtnCaddy [112],
is Censornati some even more obscure Canadian Province than Newfoundland?
John From Cincinnati was a HBO series.
There was an art censorship incident in Cincinnati 30 years ago that earned it the name "Censornati". I don't live there and never have.
https://www.advocate.com/art/2019/8/03/aftermath-robert-mapplethorpes-censorship-war
LizM [87],
So, Kick and JFC (of all people around here!),
I trust that you'll both be coming to the CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party
Of all peoople around here? What are you talking about? We were 2 out of a total of 4 attendees last week!
Russ,
What is so pathetic isn’t just that you’d lie about being a police officer in the military, but that you made yourself out to be a terrible one!
Except you STILL have no facts to support your claims..
Just lame immature bullshit.. :D
You just can't handle the FACT that my LEO, Military, Security & FSO bona fides here in Weigantia are fully and completely established.. :D
All you have are quotes from the past here in Weigantia that simply prove what I say is factually accurate..
But I think it's cute how you still try and attack the big dog here.. :D
Your continued attention to me amkes me all warm and fuzzy...
Russ,
And the council’s vote does nothing but create a year long process of looking at creating a new police force. It does not leave the public without law enforcement. Like Trump, your schtick ain’t cutting it, anymore.
The article says NOTHING about creating a new police force..
It talks about creating a social program to replace the police..
I wish I could say I was surprised that you back the people who want to abolish cops..
You bleed Democrat blue thru and thru.. You have no moral authority to defend Law Enforcement..
JL,
some historians have inferred from circumstantial evidence that the vatican (or certain members at least) may have had an interest in certain brothels, but there's no actual proof of the organization having run them. of course, that doesn't stop folks from having fun with the idea...
And the voice of the old guard with facts shines thru.. :D
Vick,
OMG!? Could you please give this bullshit a rest? If the author of the blog didn't want people posting on prior day's threads, he wouldn't leave them open for that very purpose.
You have the brain power of a turnip..
Prior days threads being open or closed would have NO BEARING on whether or not they could be posted to the current day's commentary...
Could you please lighten up a little bit, Kick?
Won't happen, Liz.. She is like a USENET troll..
A vicious little douche who gets her jollies by causing pain where ever she goes..
Vick is a crippled bitch in a wheelchair who hates the world for crippling her and wants to spread as much hate and pain as she can..
She is someone to be pitied...
Liz,
RE 96-112
You have learned well, young padawan.... :D
The Supreme Court’s refusal to read the amendment as it is written (completely ignoring the purpose statement regarding militias) is a real problem.
And the utter stoopidity and ignorance of Russ shines thru..
The militias in the 2nd Amendment simply give one reason why the right of the people to keep and and bear arms shall not be infringed...
Right now, the 2nd Amendment says
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It could easily have said
Because self-defense is every American's god-given right, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
and it would still be the same 2nd Amendment..
The idea of militias is simply explanatory, giving ONE of many reasons why the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..
Face reality dood.. You will NEVER repeal the 2nd Amendment.. Even if you did, you would have to gut the 1st, 4th and 10th Amendments to make the repeal of the 2nd work..
It will NEVER happen, dumb-ass..
Until America stops being America, you will NEVER get rid or alter the 2nd Amendment..
PERIOD... Get over the idea... It will never happen...
Get rid of the guns, and you’d be amazed at how the number of deaths by guns would drop.
Yea?? So??? Australia proved beyond any doubt that death by other means would flourish...
Isn't the goal to stop the number of murders, period???
You see, morons like you think that if you get rid of the tool, the process will stop...
But facts prove that to be nothing but a drug filled fantasy by assholes like you..
No wonder they pulled you as an emergency dispatcher you claimed you were..
Because yer a druggie dumb-shit...
Liz,
If Biden is elected, America will have the best equipped foreign policy president, ever.
Well, I am glad you put the qualifier "IF" in there..
You know it's just not going to happen..
First off...go fuck yourself Board Mother...
Now I'll go read the rest of your post
And when the chips are down, MC reveals himself to be nothing but a forum douche bag...
It's people like him that make Weigantia the cess-poll of hate and bigotry it's becoming today.. :(
That's what happens when one makes hate the soup de'jour...
It does nothing but attract the haters.. :(
As ex Army I experienced the power of training/retraining.
Yea, I have already proven you are lying when you claim to be ex military...
Training/retraining is the ticket, Laddie! And keep in mind any reforms wrought will almost certainly require public support for funding, hello
And yet, like a moron, you support defunding the police...
Which proves you are nothing but a cop-hating America hating moron...
Truth is, Abe hardly have a fuck about slavery, and emancipated American slaves mainly to keep Europe from joining the "evil" Rebels.
Yea??
Do you have ANY *facts* to support the claim??
Or is it just your America hating "truth"??
Dumb ass... Military wanna-be....
So, moving on to current events..
I see the racist Democrat Party lost one of their top race-baiting racist scumbags recently...
One less racist in the world..
That's a good thing..
Dan,
You seem to be advocating that, if we take away the dangerous things cops do (T-Stops being amnogst the most dangerous) then people won't shoot at cops and everyone will live happily ever after...
Where does that stop??
I mean, if we don't have cops do drug raids or terrorist raids, then THOSE scumbags won't feel the need to shoot at cops, right??
Which of course, leads us to, "Let's just ban cops because everyone knows they are the ones causing all the problems."...
And I know you well enough to know that you don't support the Democrat Party platform of abolishing the police..
As I have shown (and Russ enthusiastically supported (a dubious "honor" to be sure)) a lot of heartache and pain and LIVES have been saved by cops doing traffic stops..
No matter how you want to look at it, T-Stops are an integral part of police work.. And it's not just the tickets... When I was patrol, I hated writing tickets and, unless the driver failed the attitude test, I would do most everything I could to avoid writing tickets.. I made a LOT of T-Stops, but did not write a lot of tickets..
Removing traffic enforcement from police work is a non-starter from the word 'GO'...
But hay.. I know yer a smart guy and I am willing to listen..
Tell me what you envision as a Traffic Enforcement Agency that would accomplish A> Proper compliance to obey the traffic laws and B> Do so with the complete safety of the TEA officers...
I gave you a leg up with the agency...
"It's OK.. No need to get violent. They are just officers for TEA!!"
:D
Awww carp!!
Reposted for clarity
Dan,
You seem to be advocating that, if we take away the dangerous things cops do (T-Stops being amnogst the most dangerous) then people won't shoot at cops and everyone will live happily ever after...
Where does that stop??
I mean, if we don't have cops do drug raids or terrorist raids, then THOSE scumbags won't feel the need to shoot at cops, right??
Which of course, leads us to, "Let's just ban cops because everyone knows they are the ones causing all the problems."...
And I know you well enough to know that you don't support the Democrat Party platform of abolishing the police..
As I have shown (and Russ enthusiastically supported (a dubious "honour" to be sure)) a lot of heartache and pain and LIVES have been saved by cops doing traffic stops..
No matter how you want to look at it, T-Stops are an integral part of police work.. And it's not just the tickets... When I was patrol, I hated writing tickets and, unless the driver failed the attitude test, I would do most everything I could to avoid writing tickets.. I made a LOT of T-Stops, but did not write a lot of tickets..
Removing traffic enforcement from police work is a non-starter from the word 'GO'...
But hay.. I know yer a smart guy and I am willing to listen..
Tell me what you envision as a Traffic Enforcement Agency that would accomplish A> Proper compliance to obey the traffic laws and B> Do so with the complete safety of the TEA officers...
I gave you a leg up with the agency...
"It's OK.. No need to get violent. They are just officers for TEA!!"
:D
How indicative of the depravity of the Democrat Party...
Michael Avenatti is broke, can’t afford legal fees, lawyer claims
Avenatti faces three-dozen counts of fraud, tax evasion and other alleged crimes
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michael-avenatti-is-broke-cant-afford-legal-fees-lawyer-claims
This dipshit was considered prime Democrat Nominee for POTUS material...
Based SOLELY on his Trump/America hating attitude...
What a sad and pathetic group the Democrat Party is...
Apparently, Democrats in the House know that President Trump is going to be re-elected..
House Dems move forward with measures responding to Trump’s commutation of Roger Stone
Trump commuted Stone's sentence a week ago
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-dems-move-forward-with-measures-responding-to-trumps-commutation-of-roger-stone
Why else would they bother with this bullshit that is going to go no-where..
President Trump's pardon power derives from the US Constitution.. And it's only THAT power that can take it away...
Kick,
That Chamber of Commerce speech by Biden was one of his best on the subject of a US foreign policy requiring the sustained and informed consent of the American people. This is a recurring theme in the Biden philosophy and it will inform the Biden Doctrine as president.
Reparations....
A new $350 billion proposal from Senate Democrats to address systemic racism and historic
underinvestment in communities of color.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/The%20Economic%20Justice%20Act%20-%20SUMMARY.pdf
Yea.. THAT's a winning platform for the Democrat Party.. :eyeroll:
President Trump offers black Americans JOBS and respect..
Democrats offer black Americans slavery and victim-status..
It's easy to see why President Trump has 40% support from black Americans...
In other words, Biden will not send US troops into war without a broad coalition of allies nor without the informed consent of the American people.
Both were lacking when the Bush/CHENEY et al. rushed to their war.
Biden has never said that he regrets his vote for the AUMF or his vote against the Levin amendment, for that matter, requiring there to be another vote on whether or not to actually go to war as this would have weakened the president's hand to avoid war - at least, this was Biden's thinking and, apparently he had the assurance of Bush himself on this.
What Biden does regret is that he didn't have the foresight to know how incompetently the president would use the authority given to him to essentially rush to war instead of doing everything possible, from a position of strength, to avoid war.
Admittedly, that is one big regret and lack of foresight. But, that is how Biden saw it.
In his two senate floor speeches before the AUMF vote, he made his thinking on this crystal clear. I'm trying to find the transcripts I printed out but am having no luck. And, I can't find them online, anymore ... if anyone can help me out, I would be grateful.
The Revolution Is Winning
Meanwhile, in Chicago, Ayers and Dohrn seamlessly became prominent in Democratic Party politics.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-revolution-is-winning/
The Democrat Party is the Party of terrorists..
The FACTS that prove this are conclusive...
The Revolution Is Winning
Meanwhile, in Chicago, Ayers and Dohrn seamlessly became prominent in Democratic Party politics.
https://tinyurl.com/y2xjno2a
The Democrat Party is the Party of terrorists..
The FACTS that prove this are conclusive...
In other words, Biden will not send US troops into war without a broad coalition of allies nor without the informed consent of the American people.
Biden is too late..
President Trump has already made that US Policy..
One of the few areas where I disagree with President Trump...
Lack of US Militry intervention is like the UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS Prime Directive..
It's a bad policy that condemns people of the world to needless pain and suffering and death..
Hell, even The Preservers agree with me...
JFC,
You've misread the tone of my comment, but I realize that I never smile or stick my tongue out. I'm sort of a non-state actor and I like to let the audience interpret the performance.
Heh.
Yeah, well, I was having one of my moments, as you, of all people, might have imagined. :)
I'm told I never learn but, maybe, one of these days ...
And, your attendance Sunday nights is duly and gratefully noted.
Now THAT would be a debate I would love to have with someone here..
The wisdom of the UFP's Prime Directive...
JL, you game???
JFC,
Ass kisser... :D
Sucking up to the Warden Of Weigantia... :D
So, Michale, pal of mine, what are you doing tonight?
Yunno that after 5-ish is usually my quitting time.. Belongs to my lovely wife..
But we'll see... :D No promises..
You may start the festivities early, then.
Just don't frak it up!
Lack of US Militry intervention is like the UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS Prime Directive..
It's a bad policy that condemns people of the world to needless pain and suffering and death..
Hell, even The Preservers agree with me...
“If I were a Preserver, given the task of educating an entire galactic Federation to prepare for its future among a universe of other federations, I could think of no more noble task than to teach the arrogance of the Prime Directive.
To have the power to preserve life and improve the conditions in which it can flourish, and yet deliberately choose not to accept your responsibility to exercise that power… Captain Kirk, I submit that despite what you see around you, there is no greater tragedy than that.”
-Lept, STAR TREK, Preserver
In other words, with great power comes great responsibility..
The entire series is pretty good.. If you haven't read them, you should...
You may start the festivities early, then.
Oooooooooo The possibilities abound.. :D
Just don't frak it up!
Moi'??? Shirley, you jest.. :D
Will Black Voters Abandon Democrats in 2024?
Joe Biden owes his nomination to black Democrats, who never joined the revolution led by Sen. Bernie Sanders, closed ranks around the former vice president, and overpowered the rest of the Democratic coalition to rescue his candidacy. But Biden is struggling with black men and younger black voters and Democrats know the votes of black Americans will become more difficult with each future election.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/17/will_black_voters_abandon_democrats_in_2024_143737.html#2
Even a Trump/America hater knows the score when it comes to black Americans...
The Democrat Party is learning that you can only make so many empty unfulfilled promises before karma comes around and bites them on the arse??
I mean, honestly??
What have Democrats actually DONE for black Americans.. Other than opposing Civil and Voting rights legislation...
:eyeroll:
Many black Americans feel taken for granted by the party and have become increasingly disillusioned with politics and politicians in general. In particular, younger non-white voters consider Biden an out of step relic from an era of leadership they believe failed them on policing and criminal justice, climate, the influence of corporate money in politics, and tolerance of discrimination of all stripes. They are more open to President Trump’s message than party officials could have imagined following his upset election in 2016.
That's why overwhemingly 40% of black American support President Trump...
The Trump campaign flooded social media with Biden’s flub and had a website and T-shirts ready within hours. Clyburn admitted, “I cringed, no question about that.” BET founder Robert Johnson told Fox News it was “the biggest turnoff I’ve heard from a politician in a long time,” and said it illustrates an attitude Democrats have about owning the black vote. “That, to me, shows you that black Americans are an appendage of a party.”
Johnson, who supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 and is a lifelong Democrat, gives Trump credit for boosting black employment and is undecided in the 2020 election. He said the Black Lives Matter movement should break off to form an independent party, and should recognize their leverage in their ability to swing the election for Trump. Johnson seems to view the Democratic Party as a dead-end street for black Americans, saying that “no minority group has ever achieved significant power in a two-party system when they are locked into one party and considered unreachable by the other party.”
Black Americans are finally wising up about The Democrat Party...
"Need proof? Here's the former majority leader of the Minnesota senate, Republican Amy Koch:"
"Or this, from former GOP House member Charlie Dent:"
"Or how about this, from Trump's former White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, who apparently only found out the emperor was stark naked when his own family's health was in question:"
As C.W. pointed out: Too bad they are all FORMER Republican officials and not CURRENT members.
What we are witnessing is: the DEATH of Republican outreach, and the shrinking of the Republican Party down to a hard core pure membership which is going to leave them in a permanent electoral minority status. What else can explain why so many QAnon members winning Republican primaries acroos the country?
The party of white supremacy racists and whacko mentally deranged conspiracy theorists indeed!
[70] Michale wrote:
"It's like the Vatican opening up a strip club & bordello..
Goes against everything that the place stood for..."
You mean like the decades they spent sweeping child molester priests under the rug?
Or the decades of rampant corruption that caused the Protestant Reformation rebellion against the Catholic Church in the first place?
[148] Michale wrote:
"Now THAT would be a debate I would love to have with someone here..
The wisdom of the UFP's Prime Directive..."
Star Trek Enterprise Episode "Dear Doctor"
ARCHER: The Valakians want our warp technology.
T'POL: What did you tell them?
ARCHER: That I'd think about it.
T'POL: And?
ARCHER: Safe to say I know where you stand on the subject.
T'POL: Even if you give them our reactor schematics they don't have the technical expertise to build a warp engine.
ARCHER: They have no experience working with antimatter. I doubt they even realize how dangerous it is. They're not ready.
T'POL: Then your decision shouldn't be difficult.
ARCHER: We could stay and help them.
T'POL: The Vulcans stayed to help Earth ninety years ago. We're still there.
ARCHER: I never thought I'd say this, but I'm beginning to understand how the Vulcans must have felt.
ARCHER: Someday my people are going to come up with some sort of a doctrine, something that tells us what we can and can't do out here… should and shouldn't do. But, until somebody tells me that they've drafted that directive, I'm going to have to remind myself every day that we didn't come out here to play God."
[137] Michale wrote:
"So, moving on to current events..
I see the racist Democrat Party lost one of their top race-baiting racist scumbags recently...
One less racist in the world..
That's a good thing.."
Too bad this did not get you IMMEDIATELY kicked off this board. I am assuming you are referring to the recently deceased John Lewis. You do realize that the man was a Minister? That one of the people he himself stated that he followed was Gandhi? That John Lewis was beaten and suffered a skull fracture while marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge for voting rights?
Your statement is among the most vile, contemptible, hateful racist things I have ever seen in print.
[137] Michale wrote:
And you SERIOUSLY think that 40% of black people are going to vote for a Republican party filled with people who think like you do? About one of the most moral, almost saint like, revered icons in recent American history?
John, in response to Michale's most despicable comment which will not be repeated here.
Too bad this did not get you IMMEDIATELY kicked off this board.
Indeed! I haven't got time right now to find that comment but, if Michale said that, then I think he may be trying to get himself kicked off this forum. And, with comments like that, that would be good thing.
Okay, I took the time to find that vicious comment from Michale and it should be deleted, if there is any decency left in these comments sections. Chris???
I have long ago stopped reading most of Michale's comments and so I thank John for pointing this one out.
Are you listening, Chris?
As for you, Michale, that was one of the most despicable comments I have ever had to read here.
John,
[Michale's] statement is among the most vile, contemptible, hateful racist things I have ever seen in print.
Indeed.
I will always remember an interview with Congressman Lewis where he was talking about the King and Kennedy assassinations and then, he just broke down and cried. And, I was crying right along with him ... men like John Lewis and Martin and Bobby and John are irreplaceable.
Van Jones said it best ... the death of Lewis and Rev. CT Vivian on the same day is a message from Heaven to say these are the men you should follow and emulate.
Such pearl clutching for something so routine!
LizM [147},
I was having one of my moments, as you, of all people, might have imagined. :)
Just to be clear, I was mocking you. I wasn't angry or upset, so I didn't need to lighten up. I don't take hall monitoring seriously in the first place. CW is the only One Who Watches Words who I concern myself with.
I thought my groupie reference was my smiley face. BTW - back in prehistoric times at that other website, I did think "who is this person? Biden groupie is a thing?", but I never actually said that until somebody else opened that door recently.
Hmm.
Malignant (adjective)
disposed to cause harm, suffering, or distress deliberately; feeling or showing ill will or hatred.
MtnCaddy
120
I dunno, Kick. Ya gotta give Lincoln some love for keeping European powers from joining the Confederacy during our Civil War.
But of course, I will. France had wanted to recognize the South as a nation but wouldn't do it unless the British agreed to do likewise. The preliminary Emancipation Proclamation by Lincoln was a masterstroke in foreign policy diplomacy in keeping the British (and therefore France and Europe) out of the U.S. Civil War.
Truth is, Abe hardly have a fuck about slavery, and emancipated American slaves mainly to keep Europe from joining the "evil" Rebels.
That is both sad yet true. Lincoln, of course, did believe "all men were created equal" the way Thomas Jefferson had written it in the Declaration of Independence, he just didn't subscribe to their total equality. I posted fairly recently regarding the topic of "putting the Confederacy where it belonged."
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2020/07/07/put-the-confederacy-where-it-belongs-in-museums/#comment-163201
I'll expand on that now regarding Lincoln's beliefs about the races. As transcribed from Lincoln's fourth debate with Douglas:
From the perspective of the South, the war was primarily an issue of slavery. With the election of Lincoln, they perceived of its eventual demise even before Lincoln was inaugurated. From the perspective of the North, their primary goal had always been to preserve the Union, but, of course, they also opposed the expansion of slavery into their Northern and the Western states. By the early 1800s, all the Northern states had abolished slavery, and they also had all that cheap labor flooding into America from Europe that I talked about before in the previous topic.
But getting back to the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln waited until a Union victory to issue it and did so after the Union victory at the Battle of Antietam, September 1862, explaining that the document would become effective thereafter on January 1, 1863. The preliminary Emancipation Proclamation declared that any of the states that had given up their rebellion by January 1 could actually keep their slaves.
*
Of course, Lincoln did this knowing that no state was likely to return to the Union and therefore turned the North's primary goal of keeping the Union of states together into a crusade against slavery, which as we know from history, Lincoln wasn't all that much opposed to the idea of an inferior race and subjugation.
Could Great Britain morally recognize the South as a nation at that point or intervene in the war under those circumstances? Not unless they wanted to appear diplomatically hypocritical. It was a true masterstroke in foreign policy and also a cautionary tale for the South in "being careful what you wish for."
So be careful what you wish for... is that enough love for Mr. Lincoln's tactical brilliance? Lincoln definitely gets a lot of credit for his deeds... sometimes far more credit than he deserves in freeing the slaves to save the Union because he definitely believed in a "physical difference between the white and black races," and he believed this would "forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality." Lincoln was wrong about that, of course, but the wheels of justice move slowly until they get a nice swift kick, and we are living history. :)
My vote is against deleting just one offensive comment. Delete the troll or leave the evidence of its malignancy.
John From Censornati
123
I do have to admit that the power rush that I got from policing which words may be used or not used (and where) was intense. I could get hooked on this hall monitor thing.
You are so precious and such a sneaker. That is a compliment, by the way. :)
JFC
125
Of all peoople around here? What are you talking about? We were 2 out of a total of 4 attendees last week!
And that's including her! Should she even count? ;)
I almost said two-thirds, but reconsidered.
Mike
129
Prior days threads being open or closed would have NO BEARING on whether or not they could be posted to the current day's commentary...
You're confused again; we understand it's a common condition for you and that simple English isn't your strong suit and your propensity to twist things around in your tiny head.
Prior threads being open would mean they are available for people to post on them whether anybody else likes it or not. I can't make it more simpler than that. I will therefore post on prior threads and not expect anyone else to not post on prior threads just to suit my personal preference as long as those threads remain open.
Anyone ordering other posters that I or anyone else needs to stop posting on prior threads can shove it as far up their backsides as they can manage to cram it based on armlength and ass girth, etc.
So to reiterate and recap: If the author of the blog didn't want people posting on prior threads, he wouldn't leave them open for people to post on them. Anyone's demands or orders that I or anyone else must post on the current commentary will be met with the same objection. Furthermore, anyone too stupid to understand basic English -- as you continually and constantly exhibit you are -- might want to steer clear of interjecting their inherent, inveterate and ever-present stupidity into the conversation.
In simple English just for you: We can post on prior threads if we desire up until the time they are closed by the author. If y'all don't like it and demand that we adhere to your posting orders, you can shove it up you ignorant asses.
Mike
130
Won't happen, Liz.. She is like a USENET troll..
I've still never been on Usenet, and I'm still not accusing you of saying I have just because you said I was "like" a Usenet troll.
A vicious little douche who gets her jollies by causing pain where ever she goes..
You stole my phrasing I used for you; that's how we know what hit the mark, you know, when we see the phrases repeated back.
Vick is a crippled bitch in a wheelchair who hates the world for crippling her and wants to spread as much hate and pain as she can..
A wheelchair!? Wow, you really can be inventive yet demented all at the same time. Incorrect. I do not have a wheelchair and am not the least bit physically crippled. Your lies are again duly noted. As for "bitch," I will wear your word of hatred like a badge of honor. You're not the first dumb son of a bitch that accused me of being exactly like their mother or their wife.
She is someone to be pitied...
Again, another one of my phrases for your situation. Of course, you'll always have my pity. Thank you again for the recitation of my phrases toward you. Lets me know what sticks in your craw. Of course, it doesn't work on me because it's my own phrase. *laughs*
[148] Michale wrote:
"Now THAT would be a debate I would love to have with someone here..
The wisdom of the UFP's Prime Directive..."
Star Trek Voyager Episode "Friendship One"
JANEWAY: Then what accounts for the devastation?
OTRIN: A containment failure in our power grid. Once the antimatter was released, it destroyed everything.
JANEWAY: I'm sorry, but I still don't see how we're responsible.
OTRIN: Before the probe, my people never conceived of anything like antimatter. We offer this information freely with the hope that one day we will stand on your soil and extend our hands in friendship. I'm sure you recognise those words.
JANEWAY: The recording from the probe.
OTRIN: Your people sent us technology that they knew would destroy us.
JANEWAY: I don't understand.
OTRIN: We didn't either at first. But we had decades to think about it, and now it seems so obvious. You send us new technology, encourage us to use it, and then you wait for us to obliterate ourselves.
CHAKOTAY: Why would we do that?
OTRIN: Because it's easier than invading us.
Michale, time to put up or shut up.
Here's the kind of "black vote" action I offer:
Black vote (BV) for Trump over 50% MC pays CW $200
BV over 40% MC pays $150
BV over 33% MC pays $100
BV over 25% MC pays $50
BV UNDER 25% Michale pays $50
BV under 20% Michale pays $100
BV under 15% Michale pays $150
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200.
To quote John M, with whom you undoubtedly chickened out on:
As pointed out by C.W. ONLY EXIT POLLING gives that kind of racial breakdown. So if you accept it based on an average of exit polling data by all networks: NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC then you have a DEAL.
You willing to accept those terms, Michale???
So, you want to accept the wager or not???
Well? Do ya, punk?
- Dirty Harry
Elizabeth Miller
142
We know you love him, EM. I voted for him and worked to deliver Texas for him, remember.
This is a recurring theme in the Biden philosophy and it will inform the Biden Doctrine as president.
If he wins, there's no way his views throughout history cannot inform his actions as president. He's a human, and that's how it generally works... that we learn from our history and are informed by it.
The problem arises when someone has no philosophy and doesn't know a damn thing about history... such as we are now.
[181]
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200.
**That's what Cheetogod won among black voters in 2016.
Michale
143
It's easy to see why President Trump has 40% support from black Americans...
It's easy to see why people think your head is located somewhere far up into the creases of your admitted fat ass.
Elizabeth Miller
144
In other words, Biden will not send US troops into war without a broad coalition of allies nor without the informed consent of the American people.
History points to that conclusion, yes. However, I would not rule it out entirely until it hasn't happened at some point in the future... of course, if circumstances arise that he is in such a position to make that decision.
Both were lacking when the Bush/CHENEY et al. rushed to their war.
Not for lack of trying to manufacture said elements.
Biden has never said that he regrets his vote for the AUMF or his vote against the Levin amendment, for that matter, requiring there to be another vote on whether or not to actually go to war as this would have weakened the president's hand to avoid war - at least, this was Biden's thinking and, apparently he had the assurance of Bush himself on this.
You lost me there since Biden did, in fact, make an apology.
Will Black Voters Abandon Democrats in 2024?
I don't think so since the Democratic candidates for the presidency in said future election year of 2024 are likely to include a person of color, and the main alternative choice will still be the Party of Trumpian butthurt about that whole Civil War slavery thing and still upset and whining about that Confederate flag and subjugation of black people that they still love and worship. Just saying.
John M
159
The party of white supremacy racists and whacko mentally deranged conspiracy theorists indeed!
You mean you don't think "black Americans" will support Trumpian white supremacy and worship of the Confederate flag and monuments? ;)
[184]
As always I enjoy your evisceration of Michale. You recognize that there's no point to logical debate with him (because he's here to annoy people, period) and proceed accordingly. With greatly entertaining verve. Gurl, I like your style!
But...I got a disturbing visual from #184, that of a lilly white 400 pound Michale sitting on a bed in a Florida double-wide. Yikes! In mocking him, since there's so much to choose from could we please avoid that particular theme?
Signed-
Slightly Nauseous
in Country-Cali
John M
162
Too bad this did not get you IMMEDIATELY kicked off this board. I am assuming you are referring to the recently deceased John Lewis. You do realize that the man was a Minister? That one of the people he himself stated that he followed was Gandhi? That John Lewis was beaten and suffered a skull fracture while marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge for voting rights?
Your statement is among the most vile, contemptible, hateful racist things I have ever seen in print.
He is definitely a malignant troll as well as pathetic lying SOB. I can't understand why others don't see it, but maybe it's because they skip the vast amount of his disgusting and vile posts. I only saw these particular words of the troll because you quoted them. It's downright sickening, I quite agree.
Elizabeth Miller
165
Okay, I took the time to find that vicious comment from Michale and it should be deleted, if there is any decency left in these comments sections. Chris???
As I've said before, I post my comments as I read down the board. I've just arrived on yours, and I may have repeated your sentiments exactly with my comment to John M.
I have long ago stopped reading most of Michale's comments and so I thank John for pointing this one out.
I read some of them, skip the majority. I definitely missed that one too or I wouldn't have been able to post the aforementioned posts about history without them being loaded with a verbal representation of spitting nails.
Are you listening, Chris?
^^^ This! ^^^
As for you, Michale, that was one of the most despicable comments I have ever had to read here.
It ranks right up there with his ever-present malignant and toxic drivel.
____________________
Erase that garbage, Chris, please. What can we do to get his attention? *thinking*
Okay, got it.
What a fucking mess.
Has it occurred to anyone this obvious political suicide could also be another deflection?
Avoiding CV19 and encouraging slacker personal distancing and mask-wearing to Trump is his way of thinning the Dem voting ranks. Trump knows this virus is hitting communities of colour, traditional Dem supporters, hardest. He wants them dead or dying before November.
Trump is playing a dangerous game, he doesn't give a fuck about you or your kids. Trump can't get it through his head, this virus doesn't care about your politics, just your life.
A vote for Trump is a vote for genocide...
LL&P...not that Trump could give a shit.
As for Michale's 137, what do you expect from him, it took me all of a minute when I first arrived here to call him out on his obvious scumbaggery. He's a card-carrying racist, they don't improve with age.
LL&P
As a non-sequitur...
Here is a good Sunday read, especially the rabbit hole some of the hyper links in the latter half of the article will take you down.
https://www.salon.com/2020/07/18/the-electoral-college-has-a-surprising-vulnerability-_partner/
Elizabeth Miller
167
Agree 100%, and I remember you saying you were at Bobby Kennedy's 25th anniversary memorial and how that conversation got thrown off by another troll attempting to hijack the subject. So we've come full circle. Were you there?
https://www.c-span.org/video/?42454-1/robert-kennedy-25th-anniversary-memorial-mass
As to our one of our resident pilgarlics earlier comments...
I am sure that he will speak up about the need for the flag to flown at half staff until the Hon. Sen. Lewis is interred.
As would be evidenced by 4 U.S. Code §?7 (m)(3)...
I would hold my breath but...
Elizabeth Miller
So here's my entry for your party tonight just in case I can't make it.
Aretha would be there for Mr. Lewis if she hadn't preceded him in death. I would wager you already know her father was a minister and civil rights activist, and her family was friends of MLK and Mr. Lewis.
Anyway, you have my musical submission... under the circumstances such as they are.
JFC
168
Such pearl clutching for something so routine!
I definitely agree with you, and just so you know, I wasn't so much "pearl clutching" as I was slinging my sledgehammer... which, come to think of it, is not a bad choice for tonight (see below).
Elizabeth Miller
JFC
177
I almost said two-thirds, but reconsidered.
You are a true Southern gentleman... and a sneaker. :)
Kick,
It ranks right up there with his ever-present malignant and toxic drivel.
There's nothing about it that even sticks out.
I'm actually a transplanted Yankee.
MtnCaddy
188
So you're saying you "can't unsee that"?
In mocking him, since there's so much to choose from could we please avoid that particular theme?
Yes, I can avoid that theme; it's not easy to do that when people keep showing theirs. :)
I think deploying federal officers in Portland is going to end up being a huge mistake. Unmarked officers snatching people in unmarked cars without identifying themselves or any charges is going to turn off Americans much like the optics of retreating to the bunker and turning off the lights at the white house last month. The feds will be kicked out of Portland as the protests are not only not going away but increase and the law suites will pile up. Plus Portlanders give Zero Fucks about Trump's jack booted thugs! Fuck police brutality! The guy in the video was commenting on another twitter thread, some bones in his hand were broken, but he's a vet so his medical care is taken care of and he plans to sue...
142,229 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...
GT
193
Here is a good Sunday read, especially the rabbit hole some of the hyper links in the latter half of the article will take you down.
Okay, I've now read it. Wow. That is an incredible amount of data covering quite a lot of history... and lots of rabbit holes; you weren't kidding. :)
JFC
201
I'm actually a transplanted Yankee.
We'll take as many of those we can get. I will, anyway. :)
Bashi
203
That guy in the video... wow; he did seem to give "zero effs" as they assaulted him, and for what reason?
The guy in the video was commenting on another twitter thread, some bones in his hand were broken, but he's a vet so his medical care is taken care of and he plans to sue...
Good for him. I cannot fathom why they were attacking him like that. He has a right to protest. I saw another video where a peaceful protester was shot in the head with a rubber bullet; he had to have facial reconstruction... expensive if you don't have Tricare/VA like the veteran, though. I cannot fathom why that gentleman wouldn't sue either. This should be a civil rights lawsuit wherein the Attorney General of Oregon intervenes on behalf of the citizens of the state.
142,229 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...
It's a shitstorm here in Texas. Number one thing the veterans are saying upon entering the ER: "I thought this was a hoax." So sad.
Berkeley council announces that unarmed civilian city workers will perform traffic stops, not police
https://www.theblaze.com/news/berkely-unarmed-civilians-traffic-stops
Only people who are utterly and moronicly ignorant of LEO activities and procedures would think this is a good idea...
Too bad this did not get you IMMEDIATELY kicked off this board. I am assuming you are referring to the recently deceased John Lewis. You do realize that the man was a Minister? That one of the people he himself stated that he followed was Gandhi? That John Lewis was beaten and suffered a skull fracture while marching across the Edmund Pettus Bridge for voting rights?
Al Sharpton is ALSO a "minister" and he is an even BIGGER racist than John Lewis was..
Wasn't John Lewis the guy who lied and said someone in some such crowd yelled racist slurs even though EVERY video of the event picked up NOTHING of the sort...
John Lewis was a racist, pure and simple... Anyone who makes false accusations of racism, when they depart this plane of existence, it's a GOOD thing for society..
So FOD...
You mean like the decades they spent sweeping child molester priests under the rug?
Or the decades of rampant corruption that caused the Protestant Reformation rebellion against the Catholic Church in the first place?
Hay, if you want to compare what Weigantia has become to that, be my guest..
Yer not far off...
MC,
Give me your ideas for Police Reform or admit you were just trolling..
THEN we'll talk about the wager...
Ass...
Hay, if you want to compare what Weigantia has become to that, be my guest..
Yer not far off...
".. 'Supernatural'... 'Revolution'... Maybe titles aren't your thing..."
"You're not wrong.."
-SUPERNATURAL
:D
Liz,
John, in response to Michale's most despicable comment which will not be repeated here.
I spoke to facts.. John Lewis IS a racist.. The facts are well documented..
ANYONE who makes false accusations of racism is a total and complete scumbag and their departure from society cannot come soon enough...
I am sure I'll hear much worse from ya'all if (gods forbid) President Trump should pass...
So with much affection.. FO...
[114]
There are some good ideas in dsws's #82 but in response Listen's #114 raises some real problems .
If we can detach ourselves from the troll twins I'd like to see this conversation.
I stand by my statement that the key to police reform is training, period. Because as ex-Army I've seen how turning civilians into military/LEO works.
John, in response to Michale's most despicable comment which will not be repeated here.
Which comment was that???
Oh.. #146???
OH, I remember now..
So, moving on to current events..
I see the racist Democrat Party lost one of their top race-baiting racist scumbags recently...
One less racist in the world..
That's a good thing..
I stand by my statement that the key to police reform is training, period. Because as ex-Army I've seen how turning civilians into military/LEO works.
And yet you want to take money from the police that will CUT training..
Now I KNOW you weren't in the Army.. I was (MI Elltee during Desert Storm) and I KNOW the USA would never produce a moron as big as you are...
So, on top of your stoopidity, you are also a liar...
There are some good ideas in dsws's #82
As much as I like Dan, with regards to letting unarmed patrol perform traffic stops, he HAS no good ideas..
What's going to happen when one of those unarmed sacrifices pulls over a Duece or a mobile domestic or a reckless driver...
Dead sacrifice is what will happen..
Leave Law Enforcement to professionals.. Ya'all's ideas will get people killed..
[106]
Elizabeth Miller wrote:
(1) They've been archived for decades.
(2) It's far below my pay grade.
Ha! Showing your true colours! I love it.
Wow, Elizabeth you just "pulled a Michale."Someone not spoon-feeding you on demand does not mean they concede ANY point. That generally involves the use of words like "...I concede the point," hello?
[123]
John From Censornati wrote:
...I do have to admit that the power rush that I got from policing which words may be used or not used (and where) was intense. I could get hooked on this hall monitor thing.
Yeah, I feel ya. But telling someone to go fuck themselves when used in moderation (think John Oliver) gives me a little rush, ya know? Matter of taste, and stuff.
But telling someone to go fuck themselves when used in moderation (think John Oliver) gives me a little rush, ya know?
Yer obviously easily amused...
[158]
Michale wrote:
That's why overwhemingly 40% of black American support President Trump...
Michale, it's time to put up or shut up.
Here's the kind of "black vote" action I offer:
Black vote (BV) for Trump:
BV over 50% MC pays CW $200
BV over 40% MC pays $150
BV over 33% MC pays $100
BV over 25% MC pays $50
BV UNDER 25% Michale pays $50
BV under 20% Michale pays $100
BV under 15% Michale pays $150
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
To quote John M, with whom you likely chickened out:
As pointed out by C.W. ONLY EXIT POLLING gives that kind of racial breakdown. So if you accept it based on an average of exit polling data by all networks: NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC then you have a DEAL.
You willing to accept those terms, Michale???
So, you want to accept the wager or not???
Well? Do ya, punk?
- Dirty Harry
So, John M did troll back off your above referenced wager?
[34] Don Harris wrote:
Mtn Caddy-
Sorry to disappoint you, but CW did not respond to me with an address to send a check.
Perhaps because I told him it would only be the same 200 dollars or less as is the limit for One Demand or perhaps he felt it might be a conflict to take money from me because I was working on One Demand.
Whether that conflict, if there is one, was a conflict of interest or a conflict with funding he may get from the DNC is another question.
Do you think CW gets any financing from the DNC, or any entity besides us readers?
Do you have a song to contribute, Michale?
And...Elizabeth,
I WASN'T "commenting on an old thread." I came across the article at POLITICO and decided to share it here, K? For the record I hate Trump and the Repugs - they've trashed our American Dream.
And "looking for weaknesses" [in Biden] is what grown up wanna-be political strategists like me do anticipate and contain trouble ahead.
I respectfully think you have one of those "took it too whatever" moments, Mon Cherie?
Now run off and go fu--
haha
Kick,
Yes, I was there! It was very beautiful.
I was sitting in the front row on a grassy hill, looking down on the gravesite in an area sectioned off for the public.
I remember going through metal detectors to get there and we were all given candles, just like the ones in the video.
MtnCaddy,
You just gave me an idea for a song to start things off tonight before I get the special sequence for the evening ... give me a minute or two and then I have to grab some dinner.
Okay, I guess I'll get things off to a start here for another CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party!
Let's start with a song from the Crosby, Stills, Nash and, of course, Young ... it's American Dream!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABfsIInfXgU
I respectfully think you have one of those "took it too whatever" moments, Mon Cherie?
Probably.
May I have the attention of the class...
K, these are my three all time fave songs. Each is a long listen and if you're like me you have to be in the mood! Nevertheless…
(1) Trilogy - Emerson Lake & Palmer
(2) Rhapsody in Blue - Gershwin
(3) All Blues - John Coltrane
WARNING: None of these are particularly danceable, but there it is.
And there will be a pop quiz
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Thanks for posting that link. Holy crap, that really shows how easily focused manipulation on specific states could alter our election results! Scary stuff.
A song for Big Money Joe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC1Vfoq3PvU
I loved the Rhapsody in Blue and Miles Davis aka John Coltrane! Heh.
Great listening as I finish up Sunday night dinner - grilled chicken linguini and a glass of Malbec, my new favourite wine.
By the way, who's tending to the bar this evening. I had to get mine myself ... :(
I actually have that Miles Davis CD, Kind of Blue.
'Nother three:
(4) The Ocean - Led Zeppelin
(5)Living in America - James Brown
(6) Elsewhere - Sarah McLachlan
Kick please teach me/us how to enclose text in a "box" or "rectangle."
I think Biden should play that Flying Lizards tune at his next fundraiser. It would be a real hoot!
[MtnCaddy
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Wow, Elizabeth you just "pulled a Michale." Someone not spoon-feeding you on demand does not mean they concede ANY point. That generally involves the use of words like "...I concede the point," hello?
It seemed like she knew I was joking around, I think. She said something about me "archiving" Biden's speeches from the Senate floor... when, of course, she meant she wished I would "post" them. Of course, I can't "archive" something that's already been archived for decades so I was kidding her with my response about it being below my pay grade.
So to recap: We's teasing! :)
Okay, so let me get to my special request ...
There must be some 007 fans out there, yeah?
So, what's your favourite Bond flick and which Bond theme song do you love the best?
For me, it doesn't get any better than Casino Royale with my favourite Bond, Daniel Craig and a pretty catching theme song, though not my favourite, You Know My Name by Chris Cornell,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqDf6jOwCk
Okay, so let me get to my special request ...
There must be some 007 fans out there, yeah?
So, what's your favourite Bond flick and which Bond theme song do you love the best?
For me, it doesn't get any better than Casino Royale with my favourite Bond, Daniel Craig and a pretty catching theme song, though not my favourite, You Know My Name by Chris Cornell,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqDf6jOwCk
Speaking of Neil Young ...
So, Donald Trump is a Neil Young fan. Well, he has good taste in music but the feeling ain't mutual. Stop playing your favourite Neil Young tunes at your rallies, Mr. President! Heh.
Keep on rockin' in the free world!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjdgpQ6Q2Ns
Here's a great review of Neil latest album, released just very recently but recorded in 1974/75.
I'm told he likes to sit on things for a while. My copy arrived just the other day and Homegrown is worth the long wait!
https://variety.com/2020/music/reviews/neil-young-homegrown-album-review-1234642820/#article-comments
Here's one for social distance pandemic parties:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gyF_5GBMj0
I'm so happy dancing while the grim reaper cuts, cuts, cuts
But he can't get me
I'm as clever as can be and I'm very quick, but don't forget: we've only got so many tricks
No one lives forever!
Let's have a party there's a full moon in the sky
It's the hour of the wolf and I don't want to die
No one beats him at his game for very long but just the same
Who cares?
There's no place safe to hide
Nowhere to run--no time to cry
So celebrate while you still can
'Cause any second it may end.
And when it's all been said and done . . .
Better that you had some fun!
Instead of hiding in a shell
Why make your life a living hell?
So have a toast, and down the cup
And drink to bones that turn to dust
'Cause no one lives forever!
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Double-Ah-Sayd-Double-Yikes!
A quote from
this article that I urge everyone in Weigantia to read:
That four-to-one ratio [how likely that a small manipulation of voting in certain swing states] is unchanged, so long as an adversary's chance of changing a vote is relatively small: The Electoral College system is over four times more susceptible to vote changes than the popular vote.
Also, among democratic voting methods, the majority voting method is most resistant to random vote changes. So, under these criteria, there is no other democratic voting method that is better than majority voting at protecting against election interference.
And...
But it is clear that when attempting to protect an election from outside influence, the Electoral College is far weaker than a popular vote.
Ho hum, just another reason to junk our crappy Electoral College.
I'll remind the class...a GOP Electoral College failed to protect us from Trumpocalypse.
Are there any 007 fans out there!?
One of the many fun things about a James Bond flick is, of course, the theme song.
What's your favourite Bond film and theme song?
My all-time favourite Bond film is Casino Royale with Daniel Craig. The theme song is pretty catchy, too - You Know My Name by Chris Cornell ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqDf6jOwCk
It couldn't wait until tomorrow?
JFC,
Between the Dead Man's Party and Footloose, a person could drop a few pounds, with some extra effort!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8FliT43ZC4
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Mon Chérie
Niiice!
Are there any 007 fans out there!?
One of the many fun things about a James Bond flick is, of course, the theme song.
What's your favourite Bond film and theme song?
My all-time favourite Bond film is Casino Royale with Daniel Craig. The theme song is pretty catchy, too - You Know My Name by Chris Cornell...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqDf6jOwCk
Are there any 007 fans out there!?
One of the many fun things about a James Bond flick is, of course, the theme song.
What's your favourite Bond film and theme song?
My all-time favourite Bond film is Casino Royale with Daniel Craig. The theme song is pretty catchy, too - You Know My Name by Chris Cornell.
I can't seem to post the theme song, so Google 'You Know My Name Casino Royale credits'
It's a great song, though not my favourite.
Are you an Oingo Boingo fan?
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Elizabeth Miller wrote:
It couldn't wait until tomorrow?
Um, this is my first time here.
Did I miss some democratically agreed upon "Founder's Bylaws" meeting? You know, rather than, saaay, a certain sooomeone taking it upon herself to arbitrarily decide for all of us?
Please, get me up to speed.
Look there's over 200 comments to plow through, and I posted that last [apparently forbidden political] ditty when I got through them. Gimme a bleeping break, yeeesh.
While the songs may be as political as you wish, there are to be no political comments once the CW Sunday Night Music Festival and Dance Party gets underway, you know.
Are there any 007 fans out there!?
One of the many fun things about a James Bond flick is, of course, the theme song.
What's your favourite Bond film and theme song?
My all-time favourite Bond film is Casino Royale with Daniel Craig. The theme song is pretty catchy, too - You Know My Name by Chris Cornell ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqDf6jOwCk&list=RDXlqDf6jOwCk&start_radio=1&t=0
Old Man from Scene 24: Our King? Well I didn't vote for you!!
Monty Python's
The Holy Grail
Post a link to a song, then!!!
Dennis (aka Old Man from Scene 24):
"Help, I'm being oppressed. Come and see the violence inherent in the system!"
Strangely, I'm not able to post about my special treat tonight???
Or, later, it may appear in quadruplicate! All good, since it is about favourite Bond films and theme songs.
What're y'alls?
Gun sale at the church:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K2bxxTP1Nc
Okaaay...
Ahem.
How about a little Bad Horsie?
MtnCaddy
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Kick please teach me/us how to enclose text in a "box" or "rectangle."
Okay, but how are you getting multiple links!?
I've provided a visual above.
Do that, except you will remove the spaces after "".
I loved your songs. Bad form on the piano, though!
How you getting three links?
Hmmm....
Bad Horsie
one of the first songs i learned on guitar, didn't even think much about the subject matter at the time.
whoops, forgot to post the link:
https://youtu.be/0xna6p0-X7U
and this is one of mine, can't believe it was nine years ago already...
https://youtu.be/57yUK2Kupq0
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So to recap: We's teasing! :)
Glad to hear it! Don't won't no trouble, now!
Plus, I doubt anyone here in Weigantia is into that whole "cat fight" thing anyways.
MtnCaddy
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Well, dang it... that didn't work. It closed up the spaces so... Do over!
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I've provided a visual above.
Do that, except where you see left and right brackets, replace them with left and right these type .
So how are you getting three links?
Dang it! It keeps erasing these dang symbols. < <---
Yeah, I'd like to know how he's getting three links when I can't post any with regard to my special treat for everyone??
John From Censornati
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That Danny Elfman is a musical genius! :)
I need a dance song ... anyone?
And, a drink... bartender!?
Dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDQ6qLmmphw
Elizabeth Miller
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Or, later, it may appear in quadruplicate! All good, since it is about favourite Bond films and theme songs.
What're y'alls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeumyOzKqgI
Adele Laurie Blue Adkins MBE
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K, here is exactly how I formatted my second three songs:
Note:[What's inside brackets] is NOT part of the formatting it's to inform...
'Nother three:
[First do the a href thing, then paste in your YouTube/Spotify link] (4) The Ocean - Led Zeppelin
[First do the a href thing, then paste in your YouTube/Spotify link] (5)Living in America - James Brown
[First do the a href thing, then paste in your YouTube/Spotify link] (6) Elsewhere - Sarah McLachlan
The a href thing is found in Commenting Tips above. BTW I'm doing all this by swiping a smartphone.
I think my computer speakers finally died, or something, 'cause I don't have any sound. :(
Skyfall is a great song and the first Bond film to win an Oscar for best original song! The second Bond film to win that Oscar was the next film after Skyfall, Spectre with Sam Smith singing The Writing's On the Wall. Another great Bond song but, neither of them are my favourite.
My favourite theme song is Goldfinger sung by Shirley Bassey.
My favourite Bond film, why, Casino Royale with Daniel Craig, naturally. Not a bad theme song, either, with Chris Cornell's You Know My Name.
Sorry, but I could not post any of these.
Google Goldfinger (or Casino Royale) theme song full credits to get the best versions ...
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and this is one of mine, can't believe it was nine years ago already...
Okay... awesome! Wow! :)
Someone around here is driving me to drink - and it would be whomever is eating all of my posts!
I think I'm done for the night.
Skyfall is a great song - won the Oscar for best original song ... the first Bond film to do that, believe it or not!
The second Bond film to win that Oscar was the one that followed Skyfall, Spectre with Sam Smith singing The Writing's On The Wall ... sorry, not allowed by the powers the be around here to post any Bond song links. :(
But, my all-time favourite Bond theme song is Goldfinger, sung by Shirley Bassey.
Unable to post a link. :(
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Kick wrote:
MtnCaddy
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Well, dang it... that didn't work. It closed up the spaces so... Do over!
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I've provided a visual above.
Do that, except where you see left and right brackets, replace them with left and right these type .
Best Bond theme song, Goldfinger ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2WlDM3tEA
Goldfinger my second favorite! I was just fixing to try and post it! :)
Of course:
Live and Let Die
Paul McCartney
Wings
Well, yes, indeed.
From an artist that died way too young...Avicii with Wake You Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI
Meant to add this to the above...
Wake You Up is a Rock-a-billy/Dance mash up
Nice video, Russ ... what's the backstory on Avicii?
Russ
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Oh, love that one! So talented. Sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqDf6jOwCk
That is the theme song - Chris Cornell's You Know My Name - from my all-time favourite Bond film and Bond.
That would be CasinoRoyale, naturally, with Daniel Craig.
Elizabeth Miller
You want the bartender?
I'll give you the bar too:
fun. We Are Young featuring Janelle Monáe
Why can't I post my favourite Bond film?
Great, you let that one go through ...
I am out of here.
Avicii was an amazingly talented DJ, writer, and producer. Like many talented artists, he suffered from severe depression. He had retired from doing live performances in 2016 because it was too much a stress on his health. In 2018, he killed himself using a broken wine bottle — bled to death. His music was inspired greatly by Daft Punk.
I believe his fans voicing their anger at his retirement killed him. He could not stand being in the public eye, and instead of supporting his choice, some fans and all-a-round trolls flamed him for quitting. He was 28 when he died.
EM
What is it? I'll post it for you...
Name it... if you're still here. :)
Casino Royale with Daniel Craig and not a bad theme song, either, Chris Cornell's You Know My Name
I just tried again and Chris won't let me.
ONCE upon a time, boys and girls,
Kick wrote:
Erase that garbage, Chris, please. What can we do to get his attention? *thinking*
Okay, got it.
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Myself I'm in the no censor, yellow card if CW chooses camp. troll is desperate for attention and one can note a pattern of escalation via name-calling, Whataboutism, inventing and parroting his troll reality. He simply doesn't matter.
My God, Russ, that is so sad ...
Casino Royale with second favourite theme song, Chris Cornell's You Know My Name
That I can't post my favourite Bond film and Bond which is also my second favourite theme song is beyond strange.
EM
What is it? I'll post it. Give me a hint. :)
I'm trying to tell you - many times - and it won't post!
I need another drink, bartender or no bartender!
I'm not even posting a link = just naming the film and it won't post!
It was released in 2006, featuring a new bond, Daniel Craig - Casino Royale!
Elizabeth Miller
You Only Live Twice... Nancy Sinatra
That it, EM?
Someone is most definitely trying to drive me off the deep end and, it's working!!!!
That ain't it. Look to 2006.
You know my favourite song is Goldfinger.
Now, try to name my favourite Bond film and Bond because I sure can't.
EM
You Know My Name
Yes!!! My second favourite song!
My all-time favourtie Bond film.
I'm going to bed now.
That was very well done!
Now, don't be surprised if the comment total here rises to well over 400 with all those posts that didn't post ...
EM
Casino Royale
Daniel Craig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36mnx8dBbGE
Elizabeth Miller
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Now, try to name my favourite Bond film and Bond because I sure can't.
Casino Royale
Daniel Craig
EM
It started eating my posts too when I tried to name it.
Maybe it doesn't like the word Cas ino <---- Royale
Daniel Craig
I figured it out! :)
I thought that, too!
Whatever.
It was a fun night, anyways! :)
I mean, that was VERY WELL done, Kick ...of all the Bond films, you nailed it!
Kick[284].
Thanks for that!
Heh... 2006 was a giant honking clue, though! ;)
Heh.
Can't bloody wait for No Time to Die ... Craig's last.
Billie Eilish sings the theme ... maybe it will be three Oscars in a row!
Are you sure yer not missing some [unprintable symbol]/a[unprintable symbol]/a[unprintable symbol] thingy somewhere?
WHEN I was struggling with this stuff it appeared (from time to time) that my bleeping content just disappeared. So find the missing whatever and don't worry -- if CW is "censorating" (as a bloke I know who ain't from Cincinnati would call it) you from above.
Hosanna CW! Hosanna in the Highest, oh Oracle Beyond Reproach!
Can't wait?
Preview:
Billie Eilish - No Time To Die
Also, If'n you're doing this on an Android cell phone,
(1) You are definitely not living large!
(2) I constantly doing
"Select All"
and
"Copy"
So when I got the wrong button I don't lose all my stuff.
I suspect it doesn't end well.
And, frankly, I won't be surprised if a third Oscar in a row isn't in the offing ...
Well Ladies and Germs, it's been a fun evening and I'm glad I stuck around to check it out!
I had to walk 170 pounds of dog so when I got back I "open[ed] in new tab" all the songs I missed when I was out.
That way I'll have a nifty playlist to go along with my "Ukrainian Strength By God" cofffeeee in the morning.
G'Nite to all. And you troll twins go fuck off.
view to a kill was an atrocious film, but a cool song.
P.S. troll I was just, er, trolling you on the "police reform" thing. It's a complicated subject and even if I could solve it the solution would be wasted on you, because you simply don't matter.
It'd be different if you were interested in anything besides trying to annoy the grown-ups.
So on to the bet:
Michale, time to put up your money or shut up yer piehole!
Here's the kind of "black vote" action I offer:
Black vote (BV) for Trump:
BV over 50% MC pays CW $200
BV over 40% MC pays $150
BV over 33% MC pays $100
BV over 25% MC pays $50
BV UNDER 25% Michale pays $50
BV under 20% Michale pays $100
BV under 15% Michale pays $150
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
To quote John M, with whom you likely chickened out:
As pointed out by C.W. ONLY EXIT POLLING gives that kind of racial breakdown. So if you accept it based on an average of exit polling data by all networks: NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC then you have a DEAL.
You willing to accept those terms, Michale???
So, you want to accept the wager or not???
Well? Do ya, punk?
- Dirty Harry
Hey nypoet22 do you live in The Big Apple? Upstate? Or in a "New York" state of mind?
Here are Here are four things to know about what the polls show right now about Joe's "lead."
bronx
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
**What Cheetogod won in 2016
Yay, Bronx! I got a couple hottie Cousins in Queen's - woot. Your town has been good toe on every visit the 1964 World's Fair.
...good TO ME on every visit...
Nothin but the two Coasts still awake, I guess.
Oh. I forgot -- it's a school night.
Here's another coronavirus issue America’s hidden economic crisis: Widespread wage cuts in POLITICO.
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From the article:
Roughly 7 million workers have likely received a dock in pay, according to Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. Combined with those who have been forced to log fewer hours, the number climbs to 20 million people — or 1 in 8 workers — who have seen their paychecks shrink over the past few months even as they continued to work, underscoring how much harm shutdowns have caused beyond layoffs alone.
And...
Some of the biggest cuts are almost certainly going to be short-term, like companies that slashed executive salaries down to zero, Coronado said. But other reductions could persist.
“We have seen the share of companies reporting more permanent layoffs rising,” she said, “so if that is on the rise, then you might get some of these pay cuts proving to be more lasting.”
Here's short history of how the Party of Lincoln became the Party of Trumpanzies, compliments of Vox.
Summary:
By the 1870s the Repugs gave up on helping blacks in the South. Black participation in World War II led to the Civil Rights legislation of 1964 etc, and white backlash against "amnesty" for undocumented Hispanics combined with growing disillusionment with "Trickle Down Economics" led Repugs to elect Cheetogod.
Yes, 150 years ago the Democrats were the bad guys and Repugs the good guys. But the two Parties
have since switched roles so who gives a fuck about 150 years ago?
Enough of this foolishness.
(thinking)
"The sooner I fall asleep the sooner I'll be drinking cofffeeee!
Here's another "Trump will cling to power. To get him out, Biden will have to win big" story from The Guardian.
MC,
I told you..
Give me your ideas for Police Reform or admit you were trolling...
THEN we can discuss the wager...
"Trump will cling to power. To get him out, Biden will have to win big"
You mean like your Hillary and Dumbocrats tried to do??
And in the WELL, NO DUH department..
BLM march devolves into riot as stores looted, 12 cops hurt, police station firebombed
Seattle rioters seen damaging, looting stores; 2 arrests, 12 cops injured
Police were blocking off entrances to Interstate 5 so protesters could not enter, according to local media
https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-rioters-looting-amazon-store-officers-injured
Black Lies Matter Protests = Riots...
It's the reality of the Democrat Party..
What's delusion is that ya'all actually think Americans will VOTE for this...
Obviously, ya'all are too young to remember 1968...
NOW: Antifa Militants and Black Lives Matter rioters are breaking into Amazon Go Downtown Seattle. This protest has turned into a riot. #SeattleProtest #AntifaDomesticTerrorists #seattleriots #BlackLivesMatter
Yea... Americans are going to vote for this.. :eyeroll:
Why the Polls Predict Trump Will Win
Voter expectation data buried deep in some surveys suggest another upset.
https://spectator.org/why-the-polls-predict-trump-will-win/
Even though Biden is winning in the polls, the vast majority of Americans know the score...
The vast majority of Americans that when it comes to polls, President Trump supporters don't answer them..
The fact that ya'all still cling to polls as a lifeline is an indication of ya'all's desperation..
Ya'all are making the EXACT mistakes ya'all made in 2016...
And in 106 days, it's all gonna come crashing down and bite ya'all on the arse.. :D
The odds stood against Lincoln for reelection as the Civil War raged on. Will history repeat itself in 2020?
Most Americans remember Lincoln as a hero and perhaps our greatest president. But when he stood for reelection, many in the media and political class viewed him as a loser.
“Mr. Lincoln is already beaten. He cannot be elected. And we must have another ticket to save us from utter overthrow.”
That verdict came from the pen of Horace Greeley, editor of the New York Tribune, heading into Abraham Lincoln’s reelection campaign of 1864.
Critics called Lincoln a buffoon, a “miserable failure,” an “insignificant man.” Experts of the day said he showed “very weak and foolish traits of character.”
A few desperate Republicans cast about for other candidates. They dreamt of running Gen. Ulysses S. Grant or perhaps Secretary of the Treasury Salmon Chase. Just about anybody but Lincoln would do.
Disgruntled members of the GOP gathered in Cleveland to protest the “imbecile and vacillating policy of the present Administration in the conduct of the war.” They nominated John C. Frémont to run against their own party’s president.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/19/abraham-lincoln-reelection-1864-civil-war-trump-column/5452790002/
That all looks REALLY familiar...
President Trump is on course to become another Abraham Lincoln..
Once again, freeing black Americans from the slavery of the Democrat Party....
It's going to be glorious... :D
In the end, Lincoln had nothing to worry about. He won in an electoral landslide, with 212 votes to McClellan’s 21.
Joe Biden is George McClellan without the honor and military experience...
So, ya'all see, this has already happened and it was the great Abraham Lincoln who, against all odds, won re-election..
So history will repeat itself..
And so will black Americans once again, be freed from the slavery and the then and now Democrat Party...
I Won’t Return to the Classroom, and You Shouldn’t Ask Me To
Please don’t make me risk getting Covid-19 to teach your child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/opinion/sunday/covid-schools-reopen-teacher-safety.html
Yer a TEACHER, fer christ's sake!!!
Man up and grow a pair!!!
Apparently, many teachers don't really care about the kids.. They look out selfishly for their own skins and safety and to hell with the kids..
Yea.. Nice attitude...
Democrat attitude..
Now we know where William Shatner learned how to sing. :D
"This phaser is in prime condition. It's only been used once.. To prevent William Shatner from making another album.."
-Comic Book Guy, THE SIMPSONS
Funny thing about history written as an "opinion" that it quite frequently is more propaganda fluff than it is the actual telling of history. People who admittedly don't know history come along and read the opinion fluff and are so gullible and informed that they're easily reeled in by history misrepresented. This phenomenon is rightly referred to as "revisionist history."
Y'all know I can't let revisionist history go unanswered... so please allow me to explain the election of 1864 and how Abraham Lincoln came to be reelected because this opinion writer is trying to snow the goober gallery of the gullible -- a not uncommon trait of revisionist history opinion writers -- and I'm not a fan of misinformation and glossing over facts in favor of fantasy... never have been.
As the opinion writer says, a group of Republicans did indeed nominate John C. Frémont (former Senator of California) as their candidate for the election of 1864 by breaking with their party and forming the Radical Democracy Party. Frémont had been the first presidential candidate of the new Republican Party in 1856.
The Republican Party and the Democratic Party were both fractured during the Civil War and both parties divided into multiple factions; there were Republicans against the war and/or pro-slavery and Democrats who supported the war and/or abolitionists, etc. So how did the current president make a run for and secure his reelection?
Abraham Lincoln joined with some of the War Democrats -- members of the Democratic Party who supported the Union -- and formed a political party called the National Union Party. At the National Union Convention in Baltimore, Maryland, Vice President Hannibal Hamlin, Republican, was "ditched" in favor of Andrew Johnson, Democrat.
Although women couldn't vote, they were strongly mobilized in demanding equal political and civil rights and mobilized taking active roles in campaigning for the Lincoln-Johnson ticket whose National Union Party platform's primary goals were:
* The unconditional surrender of the Confederacy
* Abolishing slavery
* Encouragement of immigration
* Keeping Europe neutral and the Confederacy unrecognized
* Building of the Transcontinental Railroad
* Enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine (staying out of internal affairs/wars between European powers, etc.)
There were only 25 states in the election of 1864 since the South who participated in 1860 wasn't exactly allowed to do that in the following election (for obvious reasons). Of the 25 states, Lincoln won 22. Is there a whole lot more to the story? Of course, you know it, but without getting too wordy, that's how Lincoln won reelection against all the odds in 1864; he joined forces with those Democrats who opposed slavery and formed a ticket with a member of the Democratic Party... and the rest is history.
While Donald Trump could certainly defy the current odds and win reelection, a Lincoln-like landslide ain't going to happen. For those who know history, does Donald Trump resemble Abraham Lincoln? *laughs* That's unbelievably uninformed and unequivocally effing hysterical.
MtnCaddy,
Heh.
Your posts last night were a lot of fun, having just read some of them now. :)
Until next time ...
For those who know history, does Donald Trump resemble Abraham Lincoln?
And, that right there is the veritable bottom line.
Liz,
And, that right there is the veritable bottom line.
The fact that ya'all have to resort to appearances indicates the foolishness and non-serious nature of ya'all's argument..
The fact that the political situations of Presidents Lincoln and Trump do possess a great deal of similarity that no amount of foolish non-serious bullshit can take away from..
You yourself have conceded that President Trump will likely win re-election. Even Vick has conceded it could happen..
Ya'all really need to remember all ya'all's bullshit from 2016 and how it felt to be plummeting back to reality with only ya'all's failed polls to protect ya'all...
Do ya'all REALLY want to re-live that tenfold???
Because that's where ya'all are heading..
"So what if Donald Trump created millions of jobs!! MY supporters don't WANT jobs!!!"
-Joe Biden
Yep, that is factually accurate.. :D
http://sjfm.us/pics/pussies.jpg
A-frakin'-men to THAT!! :D
Chicago weekend shootings leave 10 dead, while nearly a dozen minors injured
Chicago officials say no suspects have been arrested
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-weekend-shootings
This is ya'all's Democrat Party..
NO ONE here can explain exactly why ya'all think that patriotic Americans are going to vote for THAT...
Funny how that is, eh? :D
The violence first unfolded around 5:30 p.m. Friday. Three people – a 14-year-old boy, a 21-year-old man, and a 27-year-old woman – were standing on a sidewalk when someone fired shots at them from within a car, WMAQ-TV reported. They are said to be in serious to critical condition at a local hospital.
Later that evening, an armed suspect kicked in the door of a first-floor apartment on the same block of the first crime scene, shooting a 60-year-old man in the neck and 23-year-old in the arm, police said. The 60-year-old was pronounced dead at the scene and the 23-year-old was recovering at the University of Chicago Medical Center in fair condition.
But!!! But!!!! Black lives... MATTER!!!!
Apparently, only black LIES matter.. :eyeroll:
Trump Has Already Won the 2020 Election
Commentary
Given the polls, you would think anyone positing Donald Trump has already won the 2020 election was some kind of blithering idiot—and maybe I am. (I’ve been called worse.)
But I can’t help but think that in current conditions the polls are not only not worth the paper they’re printed on, digital or otherwise, they’re about as accurate as a thermometer run over by a six-wheeler.
No one sensible is talking about their political allegiance these days in public—especially to an anonymous pollster.
Instead, they’re buying guns, in record numbers.
Why wouldn’t they? Calling 911 has become about as useful as calling tech support for a transistor radio run over by the same six-wheeler.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-has-already-won-the-2020-election_3430395.html
The Democrat Party with it's Direct Action sections, AntiFa and BlackLiesMatter, are simply too stoopid to realize that they have already lost...
Even ya'all realize that President Trump will win re-election as evidenced by the fact that only one of ya'all is willing to make a wager on the President Trump/Biden outcome... :D
It should be obvious. Too many Americans are what Kurt Schlicter aptly calls “normals.” These people aren’t just white. They are brown and black and yellow and everything in between.
Some of them are friends and relatives and co-workers who aren’t saying a word about anything, who rarely ever do, who don’t want to get their cars keyed or something a whole lot worse to happen to them. But they are there.
Some of them even cringe at some of Trump’s presumed excesses, but they cringe more at the thought that police will not be there in an emergency for their families. And they’ve seen that happen all around.
They also despise the cancel culture because they are basically good human beings.
They don’t see a difference between “defund the police” or “redirect the funds” because political spin is as familiar to them as apple pie.
They may not have heard of Howard Zinn but they do not want to hear their country being bad-mouthed to their children in school. And they want their children to go to school.
These people, when they walk into the voting booth, are not going to be worrying about whether Christopher Columbus was or was not a racist or whether someone waved a Confederate flag at a NASCAR race.
They are going to be worry about whether they can walk their dog at night without fear of being shot.
And then there’s China.
And then there’s Durham.
ANYONE who actually thinks the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLiesMatter Party has a chance of winning anything in Nov is simply self-delusional..
No other conclusion fits the facts...
It takes a special kind of bone-deep ignorance to refer to history as "nonserious bullshit" while insisting that the "political situations" of Lincoln and Trump "possess a great deal of similarity" for the simple fact that Trump is running behind.
Repeat: Lincoln joined with War Democrats in 1864 to form a National Union Party who ditched the current vice President and put a Democrat on the ticket with Lincoln.
https://archive.org/details/presidentialelec00inrepu/page/n1/mode/2up
... continued
continued...
Those who know history will see some similarities in the election of 1864 and 2020 wherein members of the Republican Party joined forces with the Democratic Party to get a candidate elected; it's just so unfortunate for Donald Trump and the cult of useful idiots who worship the pathologically lying president that Trump isn't the candidate that the parties have joined together to elect. Trump is like Lincoln? *laughs* His nickname was "Honest Abe," remember? It's hysterical that anyone would compare the two men as being similar when Donald Trump is a pathological liar and con man extraordinaire who represents what Lincoln was vehemently against... one seeking to unite, white the other seeks to divide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFQAYjzLz-c
There are multiple reasons the coalition of Republicans and Democrats united to elect Biden and defeat Trump is referred to as "The Lincoln Project," and now you have a good idea what they are.
It takes a special kind of bone-deep ignorance to refer to history as "nonserious bullshit"
I wasn't referring to history as non-serious bullshit.. As usual, you make claims of things that no one said..
I said YOUR's and Liz's dwelling on superficial appearances was non-serious bullshit..
And it is..
Just like the non-serious bullshit of a "name-calling contest" that brought the likes of you to Weigantia...
And I am not surprised that morons like you would respond to crap like that...
People like myself, JL and Liz, we came to Weigantia because of mutual respect for our host and each other..
You and yours infected Weigantia because of an immature 3rd grade playground name-calling contest..
Beware the Biden-Sanders radical lefty manifesto: Devine
Joe Biden signed the death warrant for his campaign last week, even if he doesn’t know it. The joint manifesto he released with Bernie Sanders is 110 pages of radical far-left policies — from a job-killing $2?trillion climate agenda to eliminating cash bail and dismantling border protection.
It betrays the working-class voters Biden claims to represent and destroys any pretense that he is a “moderate.”
As Sanders has boasted, Biden would be “the most progressive president since FDR.”
Well-meaning people might stick their fingers in their ears and vote for Biden out of nostalgia for a Democratic Party that no longer exists or out of exhaustion at the relentless anti-Trump barrage.
But with his “Unity Task Forces” document, Biden has proven only that he is an empty husk. Old Joe, who was for police and working people and law and order, is long gone. His body is there but, like his party, it has been invaded by the socialist left.
Under Biden’s manifesto, “Climate change is a global emergency” which requires “decarbonizing” American industries and eliminating carbon dioxide emissions to “net zero.”
It is the Green New Deal on steroids.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/19/beware-of-biden-sanders-radical-lefty-manifesto-devine/
Anyone who thinks ANY sane patriotic American is going to vote for the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLiesMatter Party is deluding themselves..
As I said, all of your bullshit yer spewing now is the same exact bullshit ya'all spewed in 2016..
And we all know what happened then, don't we??
You don't???
Let me remind ya.. :D
Aren't we all glad Michale goes to sleep early?
Sigh...
-CW
Michale was right about Florida. :) Ewwwwww.
-Vick
is it just me or has CNN called it for tRUMP?
-goode trickle
Trump projected to win PA.
It's over, I think.
-CW
And PA... Don't forget PA... :D
"Wakie Wakie, hands of snakie??" :D
-Michale
Well, I guess congratulations are in order, Michale.
Yes, I may be drunk..
-Liz
Congratulations to Michale who predicted this outcome.
-TheStig
Finally, to Michale. Yes, I do owe you an apology.
-Balthasar
Do you people REALLY want a repeat of that x1000????
I mean, SERIOUSLY!??
Portland Leaders Plead: End the Violence, Let’s Talk
“About 15 hours after rioters broke into the building that houses the Portland Police Association offices and set a fire, a passel of community leaders and activists begged for an end to the violence that has gripped the city for nearly 2 months,” Wayne Havrelly writes for Portland’s KOIN News.
The city’s “leadership has, for months, lost control of the anarchists and agitators,” President Trump tweeted yesterday. “We must protect Federal property, AND OUR PEOPLE. These were not merely protesters, these are the real deal!”
Dumbocrats running to President Trump to help them quell the violence of their own making..
Funny... :D
It will eliminate fossil fuel power by 2035, aka “commit to eliminating carbon pollution from power plants by 2035.”
Within five years, “we will install 500 million solar panels, including eight million solar roofs and community solar energy systems, and 60,000 made-in-America wind turbines.”
Note there’s no mention of “made-in-America” solar panels. The only way to install 500 million solar panels in five years is to buy them from China. In other countries, such as Australia, which have gone down this path, the result is cheap, shoddy solar systems that fall apart within five years.
Of course, we will have to rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement, and pay the Green Climate Fund, the United Nations slush fund which gives grants to China, even though China doesn’t contribute a cent.
This is a straight transfer of American taxpayer funds to the Chinese Communist Party. Way to go, Joe.
Hilariously, the document claims this will all result in lower electricity bills.
Joe Biden wants to sell our energy sector leadership to China..
ANOTHER reason why Joe Biden will never be elected POTUS...
It’s a fantasy. America’s prosperity has been built on cheap fossil fuel energy. That will end with Biden’s plan. Where will baseload power come from when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow?
Almost two-thirds of our electricity comes from fossil fuels and the experience of countries such as Australia and Germany is that switching to wind and solar drives up the cost of electricity.
Take California, which has mandated zero emissions by 2045. Electricity prices there are 60 percent more, on average, than in the rest of the United States and rose five times faster between 2011 and 2017, according to a study by Environmental Progress.
Naturally, the nation’s most radical green groups are cock-a-hoop about the Biden-Sanders manifesto.
No sane patriotic American is going to vote Democrat...
It's that simple...
The Epoch Times again? Once I'd excuse for not paying attention but twice? Ya, you're a Falun Gong devotee...
142,601 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...
Think I am wrong??
Fine..
Show me.. WITH FACTS... how it's possible that Americans are going to vote for defunding/abolishing police, nightly riots, cop-hating, cop-killings, total anarchy and everything else that today's Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLiesMatter Party stands for...
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Yea, that's what I figured...
142,601 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...
Bullshit.. I have already proven that number to be bullshit..
People killed in motorcycle accidents are listed as having died from covid..
Yer full of shit, Blathy..
The Epoch Times again? Once I'd excuse for not paying attention but twice? Ya, you're a Falun Gong devotee...
Do you have any FACTS to counter the facts in the commentary??
No???
Of course not.. You never do...
Face reality, Blathy... Yer gonna lose..
It's THAT simple...
Don't believe me?? Than make a wager..
But you and I both know you don't have the ballz..
AOC’s allies Omar, Tlaib face fierce House primaries as upstart opponents gain momentum
Tlaib, Omar face insurgent primary challengers: Can ‘Squad’ survive?
Two of the four members of 'The Squad' are facing serious Democratic primary challengers in the coming weeks
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tlaib-omar-face-primary-challengers-can-squad-survive
Kiss ya'all's pet terrorists good-bye.... :D
If only we could get rid of horse-face Occasional Cortex
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Michale wrote:
MC,
I told you..
Give me your ideas for Police Reform or admit you were trolling...
Whoooo Boooy! You sure don't wanna put your money where your mouth is, do ya, troll? Because you just happened to miss my reply?
[320] "P.S. troll I was just, er, trolling you on the "police reform" thing. It's a complicated subject and even if I could solve it the solution would be wasted on you, because you simply don't matter.
It'd be different if you were interested in anything besides trying to annoy the grown-ups."
So now we've cleared that up for you, your welcome! But it's still true that Money talks and bullshit walks...
So let's see if troll has any real cajones...
Watch: House observes moment of silence for late Rep. John Lewis
Lewis, a civil rights icon, died after a battle with pancreatic cancer
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-will-observe-moment-of-silence-for-late-rep-john-lewis-pelosi-says
Why ANYONE would want to honor a fact-proven racist is beyond me..
But it does cement The Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLiesMatter Party as the racist Party...
Michaaale! Come out to plaaaaay!
I'm not holding my breath because like most trolls you're a coward at heart. But, since you demonstrate problems with finding stuff, here's a refresher:
Black vote (BV) for Trump:
BV over 50% MC pays $200
BV over 40% MC pays $150
BV over 33% MC pays $100
BV over 25% MC pays $50
BV UNDER 25% Michale pays $50
BV under 20% Michale pays $100
BV under 15% Michale pays $150
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
To quote John M, with whom you also have undoubtedly chickened out:
As pointed out by C.W. ONLY EXIT POLLING gives that kind of racial breakdown. So if you accept it based on an average of exit polling data by all networks: NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC then you have a DEAL.
You willing to accept those terms, Michale???
So, you want to accept the wager or not???
Well? Do ya, punk?
- Dirty Harry
For your convenience I'll be reposting this refresher every day I visit these pages.
I know.. Yer Jonesin' for me again..
You have my terms..
Give me your ideas on Police Reform or concede you were just trolling..
Then we can talk about the wager..
What part of that is too difficult for you to comprehend???
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
**What Cheetogod won in 2016
Idiot! Um...go up to #366. It's not very far! Then read the comment...
Here!
I'll even put it here for you (but next time you're going to be a big boy and do it yourself)
Whoooo Boooy! You sure don't wanna put your money where your mouth is, do ya, troll? Because you just happened to miss my reply?
[320] "P.S. troll I was just, er, trolling you on the "police reform" thing. It's a complicated subject and even if I could solve it..."
I wasn't referring to history as non-serious bullshit.. As usual, you make claims of things that no one said..
Oh, you didn't refer to the posts of Liz and I regarding history as "ya'all's argument" and "foolishness and non-serious" and then double down on the ignorance and refer to it as "non-serious bullshit"? Heh. Here let me help you:
*
Our "argument" was the facts of history, which you referred to as "non-serious" as well as "foolish"... not once but twice in rapid succession... redundant to be sure, but nevertheless you said it multiple times.
I said YOUR's and Liz's dwelling on superficial appearances was non-serious bullshit..
Well, we were discussing (not dwelling on) history... so you're saying now that you weren't calling our history discussion "non-serious" and "foolish" -- even though you did it twice quite redundantly -- but rather our discussion of history was "dwelling on superficial appearances." *laughs*
Just like the non-serious bullshit of a "name-calling contest" that brought the likes of you to Weigantia...
Take it up with the author of the blog; however, your ever-present whiny butthurt and constant victimhood is again duly noted. Perhaps if Your Orange Worship hadn't made the name-calling of candidates a feature of his campaign it might never have been a topic of discussion.
And I am not surprised that morons like you would respond to crap like that...
I am not surprised that morons like you would whine about "crap like that" when it likely wouldn't have ever been broached as a topic for a political blog by CW were it not interjected into the 2016 campaign by that Orange Blowhole you worship... so "crap like that" is exactly what you voted for, and your ever-present lack of self-awareness and inherent hypocrisy is again duly noted.
People like myself, JL and Liz, we came to Weigantia because of mutual respect for our host and each other..
Not surprisingly, here you go again with your lame attempts to turn yet another political issue regarding the 2020 election into your standard whining, moaning, and victimhood routine about how somebody has done you wrong. You are a troll and shitheel going way back... archived to your left. Additionally, would you like some cheese to go with your standard issue whine? What's your cheese, Mike? I'll bet it's fake, comes in a huge package, and is bright Orange!
I'm not a political issue; neither is JL or Liz, and your whining about your respect for CW is again duly noted... even though the evidence of that seems totally nonexistent in the content of this post as well as multiple others.
You and yours infected Weigantia because of an immature 3rd grade playground name-calling contest..
Your butthurt is again duly noted; however, I'm still not a topic of political discussion. I am also not the least bit constrained to point out that Your Orange Worship infected the United States of America with the not only the childish name-calling but also the introduction of discussions of the tiny size of private parts during a national political debate on live television. If you had any sense whatsoever, you wouldn't blame CW for the handiwork of Your Worship to which you genuflect and give lip service to near daily. *laughs*
MC,
Ahhhh So you admit you're a troll.. OK...
Isn't confession good for the soul??
I don't make wagers with admitted trolls..
Bullshit.. I have already proven that number to be bullshit..
The only thing you have proven is your inability to handle reading Scientific American...
Bashi
362
The Epoch Times again? Once I'd excuse for not paying attention but twice? Ya, you're a Falun Gong devotee...
I'd still wager it's the "swastika."
142,601 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...
When they enter the ER at the VA Hospital, the first thing out of their mouths is usually something along the lines of (paraphrasing):
* "I thought this was a hoax."
* "They said it was a hoax."
* "Why would they lie about this?"
* "Isn't this a hoax?"
* "This isn't like a cold? Can I die from this?"
So sad.
[362]
BashiBazouk wrote:
The Epoch Times again? Once I'd excuse for not paying attention but twice? Ya, you're a Falun Gong devotee...
142,601 Americans dead from Coronavirus and counting...
I know, huh? I actually read the link and it's even more simplistic than Faux News.
Lifted from #364:
Michale wrote:
...Face reality, Blathy... Yer gonna lose..
It's THAT simple...
Don't believe me?? Than make a wager..
But you and I both know you don't have the ballz..
Black vote (BV) for Trump:
BV over 50% MC pays $200
BV over 40% MC pays $150
BV over 33% MC pays $100
BV over 25% MC pays $50
BV UNDER 25% Michale pays $50
BV under 20% Michale pays $100
BV under 15% Michale pays $150
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
**What Cheetogod won in 2016
Trump vows to send feds into cities facing violence, as DHS reportedly drafts Chicago deployment plan
'We will have more federal law enforcement,' Trump says
President Trump on Monday vowed to send more federal law enforcement personnel to major cities facing a surge in violence, amid reports that the Department of Homeland Security is drawing up plans to send 150 federal agents to Chicago.
“New York and Chicago and Philadelphia and Detroit and Baltimore … we’re not going to let this happen in our country,” Trump said in the Oval Office. “We will have more federal law enforcement. That I can tell you.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-vows-to-send-federal-agents-dhs-chicago
President Trump gonna take the Democrat/AntiFa/BlackLiesMatter Party to school..
Show Dumbocrats what REAL leadership looks like... :D
apparently, many teachers don't really care about the kids.. They look out selfishly for their own skins and safety and to hell with the kids..
There are a few, but your comment is horribly unfair to most teachers. Putting one's life in danger may be part of some people's job description, but not mine. The danger is real.
Michale goes, "BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
Holey Moley, can't you think of a better excuse for not putting your money where your mouth is?
[374]
Michale wrote:
MC,
Ahhhh So you admit you're a troll.. OK...
Isn't confession good for the soul??
I don't make wagers with admitted trolls..
So John M did Michale give you an even more transparently lame excuse for Michale wussing out on wagering you, or did he just slink away like he does?
I mean, I can't speak for all teachers, but I care a great deal about my students. Does that mean I'll make personal sacrifices for them, sure. But I'm not rolling the dice on leaving my two sons without a father when weighed against maybe a year and a half of having to teach my classes online until they develop a vaccine.
There are a few, but your comment is horribly unfair to most teachers. Putting one's life in danger may be part of some people's job description, but not mine. The danger is real.
The danger is getting sick for a while..
A teacher is willing to take a bullet for a child, but is NOT willing to feel bad for a week or so for the children???
Such an attitude smacks of a political agenda.. Nothing more...
I mean, I can't speak for all teachers, but I care a great deal about my students. Does that mean I'll make personal sacrifices for them, sure. But I'm not rolling the dice on leaving my two sons without a father when weighed against maybe a year and a half of having to teach my classes online until they develop a vaccine.
You know I like you JL, but this is a bit o' drama...
Hell, I am in a high risk group and while I felt like hell for 36 hours or so, it's been nothing but a less than mild flu beyond that..
If you caught it, you'de feel bad for a week or so and then be over it..
And you know as well as I do that online learning simply doesn't work and is no replacement for the classroom...
This is a political decision by the teachers unions that HURT the kids....
Nothing more...
Democrats want to hurt the economy by hurting the kids...
That is ALL that there is to this.. Nothing more...
And the admitted troll says "baaa baaaaa baaaaa"
nypoet22
I think teachers will refuse to return out of concern for their students safety. If they are not there, the schools cannot open. Trump does not care about anything but his own re-election... he’s more than fine with kids dying as long as he gets what he wants!
It’s so funny, Trump keeps telling us that if we didn’t test as many people as we have, we would not have the number of people who have the virus. If Trump believes this, then why does he have everyone tested before they are allowed to be around him? He could prevent anyone who is near him from being infected if he just refused to test them... that’s what he keeps telling us... so why is he still testing people who are at the White House?
I think teachers will refuse to return out of concern for their students safety.
See what ya get fer thinking???
You really shouldn't try.. It's not your strong suit..
Teachers are afraid for THEMSELVES, not for their students..
This is fact...
Trump does not care about anything but his own re-election...
You people really need to get your stories straight..
First ya'all claim President Trump is trying to lose..
NOW ya claim he cares for nothing but re-election..
Proof positive that ya'all just spew whatever bullshit suits yer agenda at the moment..
Nothing but pure unadulterated trolling.. Textbook definition..
Hell, I am in a high risk group and while I felt like hell for 36 hours or so, it's been nothing but a less than mild flu beyond that..
If you caught it, you'de feel bad for a week or so and then be over it..
Who the fukc are you to tell anyone what their experience with becoming infected with the Covid-19 virus will be? Were you also not really a medic during those years that you weren’t in law enforcement? If you are infected, you could be like my aunt who tested positive back in March and is still testing positive and in quarantine today. Or you could be like a nurse friend of ours that died three days after testing positive. I do not remember you ever saying that you tested positive...only that you had been ill. Funny how your memory of the illness has changed from your being “near death” to “less than mild flu”.
Michale goes,
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
No surprise that this 400 pound wanna-be cop in a swampland double wide would
"BA-BACK-BACK-DOWN!!!"
"BA-BACK-BACK-DOWN!!!"
Who the fukc are you to tell anyone what their experience with becoming infected with the Covid-19 virus will be?
Beyond the personal experience, I deal in FACTS...
And the FACT is, someone of JL's age has a 99.6% survival rate..
It's NOT as deadly as your Dumbocrat Party wants everyone to believe...
It's nothing but hysterical fear-mongering..
Were you also not really a medic during those years that you weren’t in law enforcement?
As usual, you spew bullshit and make claims about things I never said...
Or you could be like a nurse friend of ours that died three days after testing positive.
Yea and don't forget the urban legend about the guy who went to a COVID Party and caught covid and died... :D
Yer so full of shit yer eyes are brown, Russ...
None of your bullshit fear mongering urban legends ever happened..
Funny how your memory of the illness has changed from your being “near death” to “less than mild flu”.
Not funny at all.. For the first 36 hours, I felt like I was going to die... BUT ONLY for the first 36 hours.. After that, it's mild flu like symptoms..
And I am in a high risk group.. JL would likely not get the dubious pleasure of that fun initial 36 hrs...
Kids educations are TONS more important than teachers feeling bad for a week or two..
At least, they SHOULD be...
But Party agenda uber alles I guess...
Admitted troll says "baaaa baaaaa baaaaaa baaaaaa"
It doesn't really matter much.. Schools will open..
If they don't, schools will lose BILLIONS in federal funding..
If you Dumbocrats can protest, then schools can open...
It's that simple.. At least to those who are NOT enslaved by Party agenda..
Can ya'all grasp the complete and utter hypocrisy of ya'all's position??
Ya'all support the protesting, the rioting, the looting, the cop killing and the destruction...
But send kids to SCHOOL to get their education???
Ya'all oppose that....
Total and utter hypocrisy solely based on Party slavery...
#sad
Mike
383
The danger is getting sick for a while..
This is pure unadulterated bullshit.
A teacher is willing to take a bullet for a child, but is NOT willing to feel bad for a week or so for the children???
This dipshit has no idea what he's talking about. Anybody reading this bullshit, this SOB is isn't a doctor; do not listen to his lies.
You know I like you JL, but this is a bit o' drama...
Said the dipshit who claimed his firearm saved the life of a child from a stray dog... except he never fired the gun. *laughs*
Hell, I am in a high risk group and while I felt like hell for 36 hours or so, it's been nothing but a less than mild flu beyond that..
So you're now claiming you've had COVID-19? Well, this is news. Did you test positive or are you just diagnosing yourself in the same manner you believe you can dole medical advice over the Internet?
^^^^ rhetorical question ^^^^
If you caught it, you'de feel bad for a week or so and then be over it..
That would be true whether you survived it with potential permanent damage to your lungs, kidneys, etc., or if you died from it... either way, you'd be "over it."
And you know as well as I do that online learning simply doesn't work and is no replacement for the classroom...
"Online learning simply doesn't work," old buddy of mine, but allow me to offer my online diagnosis of exactly what COVID-19 will be like for you... derp, derp.
This is a political decision by the teachers unions that HURT the kids....
You're a moron and an idiot. Thank you for proving it... at every chance you get.
This is pure unadulterated bullshit.
As usual, you have no facts to support your claim..
Just Party slavery bullshit from another ignorant Dumbocrat....
Russ
385
I think teachers will refuse to return out of concern for their students safety. If they are not there, the schools cannot open. Trump does not care about anything but his own re-election... he’s more than fine with kids dying as long as he gets what he wants!
Yep! Look no further than the two Red states that rushed to reopen first and the shape they're in now for following the Trumpian "ignore the science" model for reopening.
It’s so funny, Trump keeps telling us that if we didn’t test as many people as we have, we would not have the number of people who have the virus.
We'd have all those deaths of people who died from nothing. If they'd just do away with pregnancy testing, they could solve the abortion problem: No testing, no babies... derp, derp. Also, if a man wanted to have a baby, he could just take a pregnancy test... derp, derp.
If Trump believes this, then why does he have everyone tested before they are allowed to be around him?
Because he's an effing liar and coward.
He could prevent anyone who is near him from being infected if he just refused to test them... that’s what he keeps telling us... so why is he still testing people who are at the White House?
Exactly right! :)
[395]
Kick wrote,
You're a moron and an idiot. Thank you for proving it... at every chance you get.
To which I would add...
Michale goes,
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
No surprise that this 400 pound wanna-be cop in a swampland double wide would
"BA-BACK-BACK-DOWN!!!"
"BA-BACK-BACK-DOWN!!!"
...that just like Cheetogod, troll is "all talk and NO walk."
To refresh your memory troll:
Michale wrote:
That's why overwhemingly 40% of black American support President Trump...
Michale, it's time to put up or shut up.
Here's the kind of "black vote" action I offer:
Black vote (BV) for Trump:
BV over 50% MC pays CW $200
BV over 40% MC pays $150
BV over 33% MC pays $100
BV over 25% MC pays $50
BV UNDER 25% Michale pays $50
BV under 20% Michale pays $100
BV under 15% Michale pays $150
BV under 8%** Michale pays $200
To quote John M, with whom you likely chickened out:
As pointed out by C.W. ONLY EXIT POLLING gives that kind of racial breakdown. So if you accept it based on an average of exit polling data by all networks: NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, MSNBC then you have a DEAL.
You willing to accept those terms, Michale???
So, you want to accept the wager or not???
Well? Do ya, troll?
- Dirty Harry
To which I would add...
Michale goes,
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
"BRABRAKBRAKBRAK!!!"
No surprise that this 400 pound wanna-be cop in a swampland double wide would
"BA-BACK-BACK-DOWN!!!"
"BA-BACK-BACK-DOWN!!!"
...that just like Cheetogod, troll is "all talk and NO walk."
Mike
389
Beyond the personal experience, I deal in FACTS...
No, you're a liar.
And the FACT is, someone of JL's age has a 99.6% survival rate..
Prove it. Good luck, you'll need it.
It's NOT as deadly as your Dumbocrat Party wants everyone to believe...
Said the guy who believed Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh that is was "like the common cold." People aren't just dying from this, moron, their lungs are being permanently damaged by it.
It's nothing but hysterical fear-mongering..
You're full of nothing but right-wing bullshit.
As usual, you spew bullshit and make claims about things I never said...
It was a question you didn't answer.
Yea and don't forget the urban legend about the guy who went to a COVID Party and caught covid and died... :D
You think that's funny? You are one sick SOB.
Not funny at all.. For the first 36 hours, I felt like I was going to die... BUT ONLY for the first 36 hours.. After that, it's mild flu like symptoms..
One size fits all over on Earth 2 where they live in an alternate reality and deign to tell others exactly what COVID-19 will be like for them.
And I am in a high risk group.. JL would likely not get the dubious pleasure of that fun initial 36 hrs...
You're in a high-risk group of morons because you're still the same idiot that claimed you couldn't get it because of your blood type, and now you're claiming you've had it. So ignorant!
Kids educations are TONS more important than teachers feeling bad for a week or two..
You should take your own advice and get one, moron!
@m,
Your argument on this is an anecdotal fallacy. Like someone saying russian roulette is perfectly safe, because it worked out just fine for them.
Mike
394
As usual, you have no facts to support your claim..
You made the claim, dumbshit; you prove it.
Just Party slavery bullshit from another ignorant Dumbocrat....
As usual, you're a LIAR just inventing bullshit!
Just watched this video made up from video footage of Trump’s speeches and it was hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i4JxWkSYzU
It’s about 9 minutes and shows Trump’s manic speech patterns. He knows the best words...BILLIONS OF THEM!
Mark this date: August 4th, 2020
Why: By this date, Trump has promised us that he will not only be signing a brand new health care bill to completely erase the need for the ACA to still exist, but he will also sign a great replacement for DACA.
That is what he has promised will be happening within 2 weeks! That will definitely help his campaign to get re-elected!!!
Granted, he’s told us five different times in the past 3 years to expect for him to roll those plans out...and he’s failed to deliver every single time...BUT THIS TIME is different! This time Trump’s telling us the truth!
Damn it, I meant to end the above post with:
”Cocaine is a helluva drug!”
— Rick James
Russ
401
So Trump, how many lies have you told?
Billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions...
Trump is such a damn moron.
Joshua,
There may never be a safe and effective vaccine.
There is even less of a chance that natural herd immunity will be achieved - not without a lot more people dying and, even then, there is no evidence that being infected with this virus will provide anything resembling substantial or long-term immunity.
I think we'll be living with this virus for a very, very long time. Which is why we all need to do everything we can now to get it under control and in a manageable state so that we can get back to as normal a normal as is possible.
Russ
401
Heh. I guess the filter ate my response because I used the word "billions" too many times.
The United States is the laughingstock of the world because of this clown. You just wind him up, and the stupid starts. It was as if somebody asked Donald how many lies he's told, and he said billions x1000!
Russ
402
Mark this date: August 4th, 2020
Two weeks from tomorrow.
Why: By this date, Trump has promised us that he will not only be signing a brand new health care bill to completely erase the need for the ACA to still exist, but he will also sign a great replacement for DACA.
Why doesn't he just make a speech to his cult members and explain to them how infinitely stupid he believes they are. Instead of saying billions and billions and billions ad nauseam, he could just say:
I think you're stupid
I think you're stupid
I think you're stupid
That is what he has promised will be happening within 2 weeks! That will definitely help his campaign to get re-elected!!!
Oh, wait... two weeks? Two weeks!? Uh, oh:
Trump's timeline? Always "two weeks"
https://www.axios.com/trumps-timeline-always-two-weeks-1513302785-b6370a4f-bb5e-434a-80ca-1249c7cf2baa.html
This time Trump’s telling us the truth!
I know, right!? "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated." Snort... snort!
Russ
Who's going to remind Dipsy Donald that the House is majority Democrats?
Michale,
The fact that the political situations of Presidents Lincoln and Trump do possess a great deal of similarity that no amount of foolish non-serious bullshit can take away from..
Yeah, well, I wasn't talking about the political situations but rather the respective personal characters and political stature and what "war-time" president really means to each.
Now that i consider it, russian roulette is an excellent analogy for donald's presidency in general.
T'would appear that troll got all butthurt and withdrew. Can't blame the fatboy as I'm sure the bleeding hasn't stopped.
So'kay. No worries...the moment he shows his fat face we shall revisit the reality of, troll talk tha talk but won't walk tha walk
Hey Kick how am doing, oh High Priestess of Snark?
And Kick and Bleyd(?) are Texas-23 folk?
Good. I can find the boundaries of TX-23 and resolve to travel to or through it...
'Yer shit won't fly
You'd best just flee,
'Cuz we keeps it real
In Twenty-Three
...with great caution haha
MtnCaddy
411
And Kick and Bleyd(?) are Texas-23 folk?
We're aiming to flip TX-23 on the border from Red to Blue this year, but I don't live in that district myself. Can't speak for Bleyd, though.
Good. I can find the boundaries of TX-23 and resolve to travel to or through it...
Y'all over there in CA-08 might be closer to it than me! ;)