Use Reconciliation To Lower Prescription Drug Prices
At this juncture in time, what was once seen as a radical suggestion seems more and more to now be a very smart course of action. This is far from ideal, since the original plans would have been far, far better... but we are where we are. So perhaps it is time for Democrats in Congress to consider using the budget reconciliation rules in the Senate to achieve only one of their stated objectives. And there is no more pressing concern for the voters than limiting pharmaceutical companies from their continual greed when it comes to setting the price of their wares for the American public. Lowering prescription drug prices via reconciliation would chalk up an enormous political win for Democrats, heading into the midterm campaign season.
Obviously, I would not have said nor supported such a radical idea a few months ago. Back then the possibility still existed of accomplishing a whole lot more of President Joe Biden's agenda within a single bill. Those hopes have now been dashed by Senators Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, though. "Build Back Better" is just not going to happen -- or, even if something called that does manage to limp through the Senate, it will be nowhere near as comprehensive as what was initially contemplated.
This, of course, means throwing in the towel (for now) on all sorts of other enormously good ideas -- such as tackling climate change in a big way. And all the rest of it, too. But again, that's where we are right now. A few of those things might (just might, mind you) be eventually acceptable to Manchin and Sinema, but chasing that wild goose would take up far too much time. As indeed it already has.
Per the Senate parliamentarian, only one budget reconciliation bill is allowed for any one year's budget. This is why so many things were stuffed into Build Back Better in the first place. It included all the things that had to be excised from the infrastructure bill to make it bipartisan, too. There was only one train leaving the station, so everyone wanted to be sure their pet projects or issues were on board.
But that train is about to leave, for good. But all is not lost -- there's another train warming up on the platform. The Build Back Better bill was supposed to "reconcile" with last year's budget. We are still running the federal government under that budget, even though the federal fiscal year started in October, because no new budget bill has passed for this year. We're operating under "continuing resolutions" which merely punt the budget ball down the road by approving the continued spending under last year's budget rules. But this may be about to change. The clock is about to run out on the latest of these, and Congress is feverishly attempting to work out a deal so they can pass this year's budget instead of just punting the ball once again. There is no guarantee of success -- if they get close to the deadline, they may well punt again. But if they do manage to get an actual budget passed, then the budget reconciliation train for last year will have already left the station. Sure, there'd be another one warming up on the platform for this years' budget, but it'd still be a gigantic lost opportunity. Democrats would have wasted their one reconciliation opportunity for the year and failed to pass anything. Which seems not only a shame but also political malpractice in an election year where Democrats are facing steep odds.
So why not jettison all the other ideas for now and concentrate on the one that is the most wildly popular with the public? And that issue is pretty clearly addressing the problem of high prescription drug prices. Instead of leaving voters disappointed at a lost opportunity, Democrats could score a very solid victory instead. And then they'd always have a chance to pass another budget reconciliation bill if a real budget for the current year actually passes. This would allow the continued wooing of Manchin to get on board some form of Build Back Better (whether this effort was ever successful or not).
Some Democrats in the House are already pushing the idea of stripping the prescription drug reforms out of the bigger effort and attempting to pass it as a standalone measure. They just sent a letter (signed by 40 House Democrats) to their own leadership in both chambers pressing the issue:
We write to you today urging you to take legislative action as swiftly as possible to lower drug prices. For years, people have sent us to Washington on the promise that we end Big Pharma's monopoly control over prices and provide patients with much needed relief. We must make good on that promise -- and we have the ability to do so.
. . .
President Biden supports this plan. We support this plan. Every Democratic member of the U.S. Senate supports this plan. And most importantly, the American people support this plan. It is time to enact it into law. Already this year, drug corporations have raised prices on more than 400 drugs. Action can't happen soon enough to make medicines affordable for the millions who need them.
We cannot overstate the paramount urgency of fulfilling the promise of lowering drug prices now for the American people. They're counting on us.
Salon notes the important context for this letter:
The letter came after pharmaceutical companies hiked prices on hundreds of medications to start the year. A recent report from the patient advocacy group Patients for Affordable Drugs found that drug companies have increased prices on more than 550 drugs, including 183 drugs whose prices were raised by $100 or more, and 118 drugs that now cost more than $5,000. Pfizer alone raised prices on 125 drugs, more than any company, even as it shattered profit records thanks to $36 billion in sales from its widely-used COVID vaccine.
Not only is the idea of fighting high prescription drug prices wildly popular with the public -- and wildly popular even among Republican voters -- many members of Congress regularly report that this is the top priority raised with them when they conduct townhalls or otherwise speak with their constituents. People desperately want to see reform happen.
Of course, Big Pharma's got some awfully big (and deep) lobbying pockets. They've essentially purchased many a member of Congress. Their biggest score in this regard is without a doubt Kyrsten Sinema. The House, when the budget reconciliation effort began, tried to pass a much beefier version of it that would have saved $450 billion over 10 years, but Pharma's bought-and-paid-for caucus balked and the version that wound up in Build Back Better (after Sinema took a final few bites out of it at the very end) would only save $80 billion. Still, it's a big step in the right direction that can be expanded upon later.
The best thing about the compromise plan (the one even Big Pharma's lackey's were forced to swallow... one might call it a bitter pill for them, in fact) was that it came complete with a bumpersticker slogan for Democrats to run on: limiting the price of insulin for people on Medicare and private insurance plans to only $35 a month. That's a winning issue to trumpet on the campaign trail.
Under reconciliation, only 50 votes are necessary in the Senate to pass such a bill. Raising revenue to pay for the plan would complicate the issue, but if that was handled delicately enough it is certainly possible that even some Republicans might be enticed into voting for it. If Democrats signal loudly (which they should) that this will be a major campaign issue in the midterms, Republican senators from purplish or blue states who are up for re-election might think twice about voting against it. And peeling off just one or two of them would mean Sinema and/or Manchin would become completely irrelevant to the process.
Tackling the greed of prescription drug companies is a lot easier to oppose when it is tucked within a bigger bill, since any politician can say: "No, no -- it's this other thing in the bill that I can't vote for." By presenting it as a standalone bill, that position becomes impossible.
If the reconciliation train is leaving the station anyway (with the passage of a new year's budget), then why not make this attempt? Build Back Better is simply not going to pass before that budget is in place. But this could. The choice could easily be seen as losing the reconciliation opportunity by letting it lapse without passing anything versus passing just one tiny bit of what was envisioned. It's pretty easy to see which of these options is the better one. So even though a month or two ago it would have seemed like a radical (and disappointing) idea, and one that accomplished very little compared to what could have been accomplished, at this point it boils down to the choice of doing one very popular thing versus going to the voters completely empty-handed.
-- Chris Weigant
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Yep, this sure appears to be a no-brainer.
If the Dems blow this opportunity then they we as a country are going to be in a world of hurt with two parties who both represent the 10% of us rather than all 100% of us.
Don't get excited, Don Harris. You have failed to comprehend that just because this is the reality of American politics doesn't automatically mean that OD is the solution.
Aha!
Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, explains abortion to the rest of us.
Well said. This issue is one that could be the dominant one for campaigning. Every Republican candidate for Congress should be in the position of having to say that they think taxpayers should pay top dollar per pill every time the government buys medication, and that consumers should also shoulder the burden of overpriced medication. They can't say that they're just protecting "pharmaceutical integrity."
Oh please, the modern republican congressman will vote no then take credit for it on the campaign trail just like infrastructure. The sad part is their supporters will happily believe them...
Whether Republicans support this bill needs to be what every Democrat puts a constant spotlight on until the bill passes… reminding the public every hour of every day what they could have if only the Republicans would support them. It’s high time for Democrats to place the blame for good legislation — that the people overwhelmingly support — not being passed where it belongs!
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Indeed. I used to annoyed or worse at the madness coming out of the Republican Party. But I've concluded that the best way to contextualize this stuff is to recognize that they are preaching to their supporters that dwell in the alternate righ t-wing universe,a place where where Trump was so excellent that he won in a landslide.
To Old Business first..
Russ,
You stated that during the failed insurrection attempt on January 6th, Chairperson of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer refused to allow USCP to have back-up to combat the terrorists attacking our Capitol. I pointed out that Mitch McConnell, not Chuck Schumer, was the Senate Majority Leader on January 6, 2020. You were wrong. You were also wrong that either Congressional leader had the authority to order more USCP officers called out.
You also stated that Donald Trump wanted the National Guard called out, but that Nancy Pelosi said “NO” and emasculated the President’s authority by overriding his wishes.
I pointed out that Pelosi has no authority to call out the National Guard and that only the Pre
blaaa blaaa blaaa..
You CLAIM I am wrong.. Just long Don H claims I am wrong..
Yet neither of ya'all provide ANY facts that prove your claims..
I, on the other hand, am meticulous about posting the links and the relevant passages within the links that PROVE I am factually accurate..
I provide the facts that PROVE my claims...
You and Don H provide nothing but spewage based on ya'all's own bigotries..
That's the difference between ya'all and I..
DH,
Mtn caddy-
But if Liz doesn't feed the trolls she won't be responding to you.
Ooooo SNAP!!! :D
Russ,
And you know this how? For many kids the day they come out coincides with the first time they have been physically abused by their family. The child said that they feared how their parents would react to the news.
I know this because NO FACTS were put forth to support the claim..
And the article fails to state that the parents only learned of their child’s struggle with gender identity AFTER the suicide attempt. I am guessing the parents found out and then the child attempted suicide.
So, the article DOESN'T say something that supports your ideological bigotry so you automatically assume it's factually accurate what you believe.. :eyeroll:
WOW...
The educator should have gone to the parents. Period...
The teacher is responsible for that child's suicide attempt. PERIOD..
These are the FACTS that are stated in the article..
If you have FACTS that dispute these facts, let's see them...
Otherwise you are fighting for a Party that is responsible for that child's suicide attempt..
I mean, we all already know you support a Party that hates cops.. It's not a huge leap that you support a Party that wants to see children either indoctrinated or dead...
Russ,
And you know this how? For many kids the day they come out coincides with the first time they have been physically abused by their family. The child said that they feared how their parents would react to the news.
I know this because NO FACTS were put forth to support the claim..
And the article fails to state that the parents only learned of their child’s struggle with gender identity AFTER the suicide attempt. I am guessing the parents found out and then the child attempted suicide.
So, the article DOESN'T say something that supports your ideological bigotry so you automatically assume it's factually accurate what you believe.. :eyeroll:
WOW...
The educator should have gone to the parents. Period...
The teacher is responsible for that child's suicide attempt. PERIOD..
These are the FACTS that are stated in the article..
If you have FACTS that dispute these facts, let's see them...
Otherwise you are fighting for a Party that is responsible for that child's suicide attempt..
I mean, we all already know you support a Party that hates cops.. It's not a huge leap that you support a Party that wants to see children either indoctrinated or dead...
No one prevented the child from telling their parents…for whatever reason they didn’t believe it would be safe for them to tell their parents.
Ahhhhh So it's the CHILD'S fault now, eh??
Yer gonna lay the blame on a messed up 12-yr old that YOUR frakin' Party messed up... Instead of owning up to the facts and finding fault with your precious Democrat Party...
That's just sad and pathetic, Russ...
The whisper campaign against Joe Biden won't stop — unless he can change the narrative
Is Biden up to the task? It might be a legitimate question — if the available alternatives weren't so godawful
The susurrus surrounding Biden now includes many of the Democratic faithful who have gone back to wondering whether he is up to the challenge. "We don't know — when he shows up, are we going to get someone barely there, or someone who's on his game?" an influential Democratic activist said to me this week. Biden recently held a two-hour news conference to begin the New Year, and his performance in that marathon session helped quiet some of the more outlandish concerns. But reports over the weekend that Democratic National Committee chairman Jaime Harrison is "frustrated, isolated and trapped" in his job have helped renew the whisper campaign. Harrison fired back against the critics, while an NBC article reported "deep frustration among Democrats that the White House's political operation has failed to communicate a coherent message to state parties."
https://www.salon.com/2022/02/03/the-whisper-campaign-against-joe-biden-wont-stop--unless-he-can-change-the-narrative/
It's always noteworthy, interesting and fun when Democrats start eating their own.. :D
The president recently staged an event in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building auditorium during which he and others announced a major push to manufacture semiconductor chips in the United States. "A brand new $20 billion campus outside of Columbus, Ohio. Seven thousand construction jobs. Three thousand full-time jobs," he told us.
Afterward Biden said he wouldn't take questions, because he was sure all we wanted to talk about was Russia. I didn't. Most semiconductors are made in China because most of the raw materials come from there. So why would we bother to do this, I wondered, if we don't have the right stuff?
Me: I have a question about this, if you could. How are we going to guarantee the raw materials will be available, since many of them come from without the United States, including some countries like Afghanistan that are in turmoil?
Biden: Well, we're working on that. There's a lot not in Afghanistan. There's a lot of — we've been finding out and moving on directions to find where the raw materials are. We're making contracts to make sure we have access to them. And we are doing things that — we're finding out here in the United States, we some — have assets we didn't know we had, in terms of raw materials.
That answer made no sense, and he took no follow-up questions. He walked away. That's part of his problem.
First stages of dementia...
Our President is senile...
The facts are conclusive..
JL,
Your an educator..
Let's hear your take on this..
You have a 12 yr old in your charge who is suffering from a severe mental illness.. Do you keep the parents in the dark and try and treat the child yourself based on your own political beliefs??
Or do you work with parents to get this child much needed medical/psychiatric assistance??
Russ, forcing political beliefs on children behind the backs of parents is EXACTLY why McAwful and you Democrats lost Virginia..
One would think ya'all would have learned that lesson...
Democrats simply CAN'T win any more..
Everyday patriotic Americans are getting wise to Democrat fear-mongering agenda..
America is done with the ro
A new poll shows 70 percent of Americans have moved on; too bad the rest work in the media. Support for vaccine mandates is plunging too.
It’s time that we accept that Covid is here to stay and we just need to get on with our lives.
7 out of 10 Americans now agree with that statement, according to a poll released Monday from Monmouth University.
The problem for Joe Biden, of course, is that the remaining 30 percent of the country is pretty much definitionally his base. The bluechecks and teachers unions have eaten their own cooking. They are hoping to “work from home” until the end of time, leaving their Brooklyn apartments only to get booster shots. Hey, maybe Amazon can deliver those too.
Never get high on your own supply.
Too late now.
The non-woke (sleepy?) majority of the country has also registered the failure of the vaccines. Support for mandates is melting as quickly as Uncle Joe’s approval rating (surely no coincidence). Only 43 percent of Americans support requiring proof of vaccination to work in an office, down from 53 percent in September.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/america-is-done-with-the-ro
Democrats are going to be cast adrift.. Nothing to fear monger on...
Liz,
http://mfccfl.us/truckers.jpg
Something for you to think about... :D
More from the American traitor, Alex Vindman..
What You Need To Know About Alex Vindman’s Lawsuit Against Trump Officials
Vindman was a director within the National Security Council charged with, among other things, listening to telephone calls between the president and foreign leaders. That included the July 25, 2019, conversation President Trump had with newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
A so-called “whistleblower” later filed a complaint, purportedly under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998 (ICWPA), claiming that in that call Trump had used “the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.”
The “whistleblower’s” complaint, however, was based solely on second-hand information, with the unidentified individual claiming he had learned that in Trump’s July 25, 2019, phone call, the president had threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine unless President Zelensky investigated the Biden family and any role Ukraine had played in interfering in the 2016 election on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
News of the “whistleblower” complaint began swirling in mid-September 2019, beginning with release of a letter by Democrats Rep. Eliot Engel, chair of the Committee on Foreign Affairs; Rep. Adam Schiff, chair of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence; and Rep. Elijah Cummings, chair of the Committee on Oversight and Reform. They demanded records relating to President Trump and Giuliani’s supposed “attempts to manipulate the Ukrainian justice system to benefit the President’s re-election campaign and target a possible political opponent.”
https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-alex-vindmans-lawsuit-against-trump-officials/
Vindman is going to rue the day he was insubordinate to his commander in chief..
Trump short-circuited the circus by releasing a transcript of his telephone call with his Ukrainian counterpart. It revealed that Trump had not threatened to withhold funds from Ukraine unless the country launched the investigations Trump believed appropriate. Later, Trump declassified and released a copy of the whistleblower complaint, which confirmed that the “whistleblower” had no first-hand knowledge of the call and was merely repeating gossip.
Schiff, who was leading this Ukrainian sequel to the Russian-hoax witch hunt, at first promised to bring the whistleblower before his committee to testify. But then news broke that before filing his complaint, the whistleblower “secretly worked with Rep. Adam Schiff’s Democratic staff.” Since then, the whistleblower remained undercover, although RealClearInvestigations identified the whistleblower as the CIA’s Eric Ciaramella.
Remember those times??
Schiffty was a bunch of hot air promising a huge reveal... But when it was discovered that the "whistle blower" was actually Schiffty's operative, Schiffty tucked tail and ran...
Typical Democrat.. We see that a lot here as well..
Vick hasn't been seen in a week.. :D She tucked tail, ran and hid.. :D
With Ciaramella remaining undercover to protect Schiff, Vindman became the public face of the allegation that Trump had threatened Ukraine for political gain. But, according to reporter Byron York’s book on the impeachment, “Obsession: Inside the Washington Establishment’s Never-Ending War on Trump,” Vindman was not corroborating Ciaramella’s accusation. Rather, based on York’s exhaustive research, which included interviews with key individuals, Vindman provided the whistleblower the details about the telephone call to include in the complaint.
“Vindman was the person on the call who went to the whistleblower after the call, to give the whistleblower the information he needed to file his complaint,” Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y., said. According to another senior congressional aide, “For all intents and purposes, Vindman is the whistleblower here, but he was able to get somebody else to do his dirty work for him.”
Again... Typical Democrat actions...
Democrats simply don't have the strength of their convictions...
Bad Timing
While it will be some time before discovery proceeds in this case, we are already discovering more details about the Biden-Ukrainian connection. And the timing of the release of that information couldn’t have been worse.
Just hours before USA Today hit the newsstands and Vindman’s attorneys filed his complaint, John Solomon reported that Just the News had just obtained a copy of a November 22, 2016, email sent by George Kent, the former U.S. embassy official in Kiev, to top State Department officials in the Obama-Biden administration. Kent is one of the two individuals Vindman discussed Trump’s telephone conversation.
In the email, Kent wrote, “The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine.”
“Kent’s email described an intense pressure campaign by advocates for Burisma — including a former U.S. ambassador — to rehabilitate the Ukrainian company’s corrupt reputation and to get Ukraine prosecutors to drop their criminal investigations of the company,” Solomon explained in his article that broke late Tuesday night.
Further, as Solomon wrote, in the email, Kent “relayed to higher-ups that he had confirmed with Ukrainian prosecutors that Burisma officials had paid a $7 million ‘bribe’ to make one of the cases against the company disappear. The bribe was allegedly paid at a time when Hunter Biden was serving on the Burisma board, a job that landed his firm more than $3 million from the Ukrainian energy company.”
As per the norm, Democrats step on their own wee wees in pursuing their hate filled bigoted attacks on President Trump..
Kent’s email also strikes a sharp contrast to Vindman’s allegations that made news less than 24 hours later. In his complaint, after noting that “Trump zeroed in on former Vice President (and now President) Joseph Biden as his chief rival for re-election in 2020,” Vindman framed the Hunter Biden-Burisma scandal as non-existent, alleging: “President Trump and his allies seized on Hunter Biden and his position as a board member for the Ukrainian oil and gas company Burisma, and used allegations regarding Hunter’s efforts to leverage his relationship with his father for personal profit as a basis for attacking Vice President Biden.”
We now know, though, that it wasn’t just President Trump and his allies concerned about Hunter’s relationship with Burisma, but also top officials in the Obama State Department. Again, discovery is going to be lit.
Democrats are going to be dragged over the coals again and again in perpetuity!! :D
@m[13],
I'd pass the case along to a guidance counselor. The teacher is in an impossible position if they have to weigh the possibilities of mental health crisis and domestic abuse alone. If you're looking for support to blame teachers for everybody else's problems, try the office down the hall.
JL
Or anywhere else really.
JL,
I'd pass the case along to a guidance counselor. The teacher is in an impossible position if they have to weigh the possibilities of mental health crisis and domestic abuse alone. If you're looking for support to blame teachers for everybody else's problems, try the office down the hall.
Fair enough.. Yes, the teacher was in an impossible situation..
My beef is that, rather than look out for the welfare of the child, which should be her ONLY concern, this teacher let her ideology override her primary duty...
That's no bueno...
I am not looking for support to blame "teachers" in general.. Gods know that there is plenty of blame to be placed on teachers in general..
I simply point out that THIS particular teacher in THIS particular case frak'ed up..
And a child almost died because of her being a Democrat first and being a teacher second..
This is undeniable..
Bridgewater’s Ray Dalio Sees U.S. on Path to Civil War as Political Polarization Rises
(Bloomberg) -- Ray Dalio warned Thursday that the U.S. appears to be on a “classic path” toward “some form” of a civil war amid a dangerous combination of large deficits, high taxes, inflation and gaps in wealth and values that lead to political polarization.
“When that happens at the same time as there are foreign powers that are becoming strong enough to challenge the leading world power that is encountering this civil war dynamic, it is an especially risky period,” he wrote in a post on LinkedIn. “That is the period I believe we are now in.”
Dalio, the billionaire founder of Bridgewater Associates, said that both the left and right are “fighting to win at all costs,” eliminating moderates and the ability to compromise as a result. He said that a “loss of truth” in the public domain was making some people “too afraid” to speak up or run for public office.
“The biggest question is how much the system will bend before it breaks,” Dalio said. “History shows that the biggest risk to democracies is that they produce such fragmented and antagonistic decision making that they are ineffective and disorderly which leads to bad results and revolutions.”
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/bridgewater-s-ray-dalio-sees-u-s-on-path-to-civil-war-as-political-polarization-rises-1.1718043
One side is unarmed and afraid of guns..
The other side is 98% well armed and well trained...
If there IS to be a shooting civil war, it's going to be short and the outcome is pre-ordained..
Republicans rebuke Liz Cheney in unprecedented moves
SALT LAKE CITY — Republican leaders forged an agreement this week to potentially fund a challenger to Rep. Liz Cheney in Wyoming, and party members are expected to formally condemn her for her work on the Jan. 6 committee Friday, an unprecedented rebuke of an incumbent member of Congress.
As the party met in Salt Lake City this week, the leaders of the Wyoming GOP privately signed a special letter that would allow the national party to financially support Harriet Hageman, Cheney’s primary challenger. The letter officially recognizes Hageman as the presumptive nominee for the seat
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-rebuke-liz-cheney-in-unprecedented-moves/ar-AATsi3p
Nice.... :D
Yer either on the President Trump train.....
Or it runs you over.. :D
It would be really funny if it didn't have such serious consequences.
"Is this yer idea of fun, Mav??"
-Goose, TOP GUN
:D
One side is unarmed and afraid of guns..
You keep believing that. Heh...
Or as one of the contractors working on my house said during a conversation about Portland: Portlanders are really liberal but boy do they love their guns...
You keep believing that. Heh...
Kyle Rittenhouse proved how liberals fight.. With skateboards.. :D
And your proud boys fight with bear spray and paintball guns, what's your point?
And a child almost died because of her being a Democrat first and being a teacher second..
Got any proof this teacher is a registered democrat?
i'm unfamiliar with the particulars of the case, but high school teachers of gen-ed students are responsible for educating around 150 kids each. you'd have to prove quite a bit to convince me that one teacher was responsible for one student's suicide.
And your proud boys fight with bear spray and paintball guns, what's your point?
According to ya'all, they fight as an ARMED insurrection..
Now yer saying it was just bear spray and paintball guns..
Make up yer mind... :eyeroll:
Got any proof this teacher is a registered democrat?
Well, let's take a look at the facts... This teacher was forcing a gender bender on a child of 12 and tried to keep it from the child's parents..
Yep, she's a Democrat all right...
i'm unfamiliar with the particulars of the case, but high school teachers of gen-ed students are responsible for educating around 150 kids each. you'd have to prove quite a bit to convince me that one teacher was responsible for one student's suicide.
The child was 12 years old.. So high school doesn't enter into the equation..
Read the facts for yourself..
Parents sue school after daughter attempts suicide following school’s secret attempts at gender transition
CLAY COUNTY, FL – Florida parents are suing their daughter’s school district following their daughter’s suicide attempts in the wake of secret gender identity meetings with a school counselor.
The lawsuit was filed in federal court on Monday, January 24 by the Child & Parental Rights Campaign , a Georgia-based “nonprofit public-interest law firm founded to defend parents’ rights to shield their children from the impact of gender identity ideology.”
The complaint, according to the Daily Mail, was initiated by parent Wendell Perez, who has stated that a school counselor at Paterson Elementary School, Destiney Washington, held secret meetings every week with Perez’ daughter about her supposed “gender identity crisis,” but did not inform her parents of the meetings, nor the so-called crisis.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/parents-sue-school-after-daughter-attempts-suicide/
OK, so it was a counselor, not a teacher.. That makes it even worse...
According to ya'all, they fight as an ARMED insurrection..
Did I? Can you back that up? Thought not...
Well, let's take a look at the facts... This teacher was forcing a gender bender on a child of 12 and tried to keep it from the child's parents..
So...no, you have no proof.
Why do Democrats fear transparency..
Democrats, teachers unions fight to keep parents from learning what their kids are taught
Republican push for school curriculum transparency blasted by left as censorship plot
Democrats and teachers unions are working to block bills proposed in at least a dozen states that would require curriculum transparency in schools across the country, arguing that parents’ access to their children’s learning materials online could lead to undue censorship and backlash against educators.
Parents are entitled under federal law to request their children's curriculum for review if they attend a federally funded school, but schools are not required to post the materials online. Lawmakers in at least 12 states have introduced legislation to require schools to post lists of all their teaching materials online, including books, articles and videos.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-teachers-unions-parents-learning-kids-taught
Why are Democrats so afraid of transparency??
What are they hiding??
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As it's a court case we will eventually find out the truth one way or another. Or by the time it comes up we will have long forgotten and moved on to the next outrage...
Did I? Can you back that up? Thought not...
What part of "ya'all" is not clear to you..
So, you are stating for the record that 6 Jan was NOT an armed insurrection??
So...no, you have no proof.
The facts are proof...
The article names the counselor Destiney Washington... According to the FACTS, she is a registered Democrat..
Once again, yer proved wrong, Bashi.. Once again, the facts are on my side..
As it's a court case we will eventually find out the truth one way or another. Or by the time it comes up we will have long forgotten and moved on to the next outrage...
I accept your concession...
I accept your concession...
Aww, poor baby can't back up his assertions. What ever happened to being "factual"?
The article names the counselor Destiney Washington... According to the FACTS, she is a registered Democrat..
The ones in your head or in the article? The word "democrat" does not exist in the article...
The ones in your head or in the article? The word "democrat" does not exist in the article...
Are you REALLY that obtuse... It's not hard to find this counselor's social media presence and her affiliation with Democrats and the Democrat Party is well documented..
Face the facts, Bashi...
You lost.. AGAIN...
What part of "ya'all" is not clear to you..
No, What part of "ya'all" clear to you?
Are you REALLY that obtuse... It's not hard to find this counselor's social media presence and her affiliation with Democrats and the Democrat Party is well documented..
And yet there is no link...
I gave ya the name and the link with the facts of her offense..
Do you have any facts that would indicate or support the idea she is NOT a Democrat?
Of course you don't..
Until such time as you do, the facts stand...
Until such time as you do, the facts stand...
That you can't back up your assertions...
From 2017 to 2019 this counselor was a coordinator with The Center for Leadership and Social Change a far Left organization...
Yea, Bashi.. She's not a Democrat.. :epic eyeroll:
That you can't back up your assertions...
I already have.. And continue to to do so...
You just don't like that the FACTS prove you wrong..
AGAIN...
The counselor's FaceBook page describes her heavy Democrat affiliation and activities...
Once again, I have the have the facts..
Once again Bashi has egg all over his face... :D
Yawn. Still not seeing a link. Guess backing your stuff up is just too hard...
Yea, I have already linked it..
Of course, you ignore it because it proves yer wrong once again... :D
Facts just DON'T like you Bashi.. Why is that.. :D
Regardless of your ignorance, it's a shame that this young child and her family has to go thru this..
It simply shows the utter disregard that Democrats have for children and families..
Let me know when you ever get any facts that prove my facts wrong, Bashi..
I know, I know.. All you come back with is more BS about me not having any facts, even though they have been posted..
There are none so blind as those who will not see..
Yea, I have already linked it..
I would think it would be easier to back up with a link then lie. Guess not...
There are none so blind as those who will not see..
And you are a prime example...
I would think it would be easier to back up with a link then lie. Guess not...
It is.. And I have done so.. You simply ignore it because it proves you wrong..
And you are a prime example...
Ahhh yes.. The old I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I rebuttal...
You learned that from Vick.. Where has she been anyways?? I kicked her ass all over the place and then she just ups and runs away....
BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAHA
Typical...
DH,
I link- therefore I am. :D
Hehe... Now THAT was funny!! :D
Well, I just got some awesome news!!
I am going to be getting STARLINK soon!!!
I'll be able to post at 30x the speeds I am posting at now!!!
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I link- therefore I am. :D
But Don, you never link. Does that mean you do not exist?
That's our Bashi...
Always the wet blanket... :eyeroll:
Don,
Don't or can't. That is the question...
Ah, Don! I do so enjoy your humorous side.
@cad
Ah, Don! I do so enjoy your humorous side.
So, once again.. You concede that you DO read mine and DH's comments!! :D
Caught in a lie once again... :D
“The district has performed a thorough and complete investigation into this matter as it was presented to us and has determined that the allegations made by this out-of-state organization are completely false, fabricated, and appear to be intended solely for the purpose of inciting the public,” the statement said. “All employees of the district consistently work to ensure that the best interests of all students are served. The district will have no further comment on this matter.”
https://www.westernjournal.com/lawsuit-educators-conducted-secret-gender-therapy-daughter-next-unthinkable/
Looks like things are not as clear cut. Usually if an organization knows they are in the wrong, they go with a curt "no comment" or some such.
Regardless of who is fault, that poor kid is not going to be the better for it...
Looks like things are not as clear cut. Usually if an organization knows they are in the wrong, they go with a curt "no comment" or some such.
So, your admitting that the school doesn't know they are in the wrong..
You concede that the school believes that driving this poor girl to suicide was the proper course of action..
You know that just makes it worse, right??
Regardless of who is fault, that poor kid is not going to be the better for it...
Funny how with you Democrats when you know yer in the wrong, it's always "Regardless of who is at fault"...
This poor child got railroaded by Democrat Party policies..
Policies that IGNORE parents and push BS and psychologically damaging ideology on innocent children..
That's what Virginia proved..
That's what Clay County proved..
From Bashi's own link..
Broyles told WJAX this was a case that shows the need for Florida House Bill 1557, which would prohibit school districts from withholding information from parents about a child’s mental health and ban classroom discussions on gender identity.
Even the school admits that they did nothing wrong even though it's obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that the school's actions lead to more and more intense bullying and that THAT was the reason for the child's suicide attempt...
No matter HOW anyone wants to spin this.. The school frak'ed up and their Democrat policies of keeping things from parents is the whole reason this got so out of hand..
I work with people who have children that go to Clay County Schools...
I can imagine they are fit to be tied over this!
So, your admitting that the school doesn't know they are in the wrong..
You concede that the school believes that driving this poor girl to suicide was the proper course of action..
Having trouble with basic English as well as backing up your assertions?
Even the school admits that they did nothing wrong even though it's obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that the school's actions lead to more and more intense bullying and that THAT was the reason for the child's suicide attempt...
Or it's all a made up stunt to push a political agenda that your quote hints at...
Or it's all a made up stunt to push a political agenda that your quote hints at...
Of course, Bashi..
And McAwful NEVER said that parents have no place in their children's education.. :eyeroll:
All you have is spin.. Ideological hate and spin and BS...
And, as usual, I have the facts...
Maybe, but they seem to exist only in your head...
Of course you would say that..
Because you can't argue the FACTS, so you go with spin and BS that has no factual basis...
It's a common theme from you..
Easy to get around, by simply providing MORE facts.. :D
Which I do.. :D
Lawsuit claims Clay County Schools withheld information about child’s well-being
Suit claims a school counselor held secret weekly meetings with an elementary student about a gender identity crisis for months without alerting the parents.
“It is adding insult to injury to assert that these allegations are fabricated when, in fact, they come directly, directly from the statements that were made by school officials to these two parents. And then in addition to the fruit of the poisonous tree of their behavior, with their child ending up in a psych ward for a week, whereas previous to all of this, she was a perfectly healthy little girl,"
https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/lawsuit-claims-clay-county-schools-withheld-information-about-childs-well-being/EY5EPAL4RFAIPHAJTMWPT722WQ/
School officials do not deny the gist of the report..
Towhit school officials in public encouraged other students to treat the mentally troubled girl as a boy and to call her a boy's name.. As a result the poor child was bullied incessantly to the point she twice tried to commit suicide..
Democrat policies are bad for children..
Bad for Americans...
So it's NOT a teacher! See how that presumption rolled out, even though it was false? School counselors, like psychologists, have a series of ethical procedures they're expected to follow. They may be legally required to keep student information confidential, unless the student volunteers that they're having suicidal thoughts. Maybe the counselor is at fault, maybe it's nobody's fault. But keeping a student's gender identity confidential does not necessarily mean they're at fault.
Well, as Michale is local I'm sure he will keep us informed as to the court case where we can find the truth. Or he will move on to a few hundred other faux outrages...
They may be legally required to keep student information confidential, unless the student volunteers that they're having suicidal thoughts.
This student was TWELVE...
Keeping the parents out of the loop was unconscionable...
The time to loop in the parents is BEFORE the child has suicidal thoughts...
Wouldn't you agree???
Further, IT WAS THE ACTIONS OF THE COUNSELOR AND SCHOOL OFFICIALS (by their own admission) that directly LED to the suicide attempts..
Spin it all you want.. These school officials frak'ed up... Period..
And they frak'ed up because the followed DEMOCRAT policy, not school policy...
@Bashi,
The fact that you believe this is a faux outrage proves what a lowlife you really are..
A child of 12 almost died.. Because her school officials were DEMOCRATS first and educators/counselors second...
Take your faux outrage claim and shove it up your ass...
JL,
But keeping a student's gender identity confidential does not necessarily mean they're at fault.
There was no gender identity issue until these Democrats created one...
Since you are a father now, I ask you to put yourself in the place of Wendell Perez.
Imagine how YOU would feel if your daughter's school officials created a gender issue where non existed.
How they kept you out of it, how they met with YOUR child in secret and then held YOUR child up to your child's peers for ridicule and bullying so intense it drove your child to TWO suicide attempts..
Tell me.. How would YOU feel about these Democrat policies then???
I know EXACTLY how I would feel... How ANY sane parent would feel...
A child of 12 almost died.. Because her school officials were DEMOCRATS first and educators/counselors second...
Or it's a political stunt to push an agenda because they are disingenuous Trumpateers...You know, like you...
But as you seem to only have expletives rather than links backing up your assertions, I laugh in your general direction.
Cue: taunts about running away...Just toss in a "yawn" at the end to complete the cycle.
Or it's a political stunt
Only a pathetic moron would believe that the near suicide of a 12 yr old child is a "political stunt"...
It's obvious you are not a father, you so simply cannot comprehend the magnitude of what Democrat policies of wrought here....
Run along, little pathetic man..
Adults are talking...
Thoroughly disgusted with Bashi, I am signing off for the night...
See ya'all tomorrow morning..
Michale[15 ... I think],
I know how dependent we all are on truckers. I love truckers.
Right up to the point where they hold an entire city downtown hostage to their protests about freedom, as their horns are blaring at all hours of the day and night.
There is no excuse for that sort of asinine behavior. If they have a valid reason for protesting - and I'm not sure they do - then this ain't the way to go about it.
The truckers don't like mandates? Well, get in line boys!
The truckers don't like pandemic restrictions? I wanna join that club!!!
They aren't the only ones having to suffer through a pandemic or who are missing their freedom.
But, the rest of us understand that some sacrifice is required to save lives in a pandemic. Period.
The time to loop in the parents is BEFORE the child has suicidal thoughts...
Wouldn't you agree???
what i think doesn't matter; there are legal requirements. just like cops have to follow due process in search, questioning, arrest, evidence gathering, and so forth, school officials also have to follow procedure. if they didn't follow the regulations and someone is hurt as a result, they're at fault. if they followed the rules and bad things happened anyway, that's a different problem.
you don't share with the parent and the child commits suicide, it's your fault. you do share with the parent, and they fly into a rage and kill the kid, it's your fault. there's just no way to anticipate every potential situation.
JL
Only a pathetic moron would believe that the near suicide of a 12 yr old child is a "political stunt"...
I don't think the suicide attempts were a stunt. I think the parents reaction and bringing in the Child & Parental Rights Campaign quite likely is.
I find the fathers statement that their kid: "I mean I don’t even know if she understands our faith. That demonstrated she was ignorant about it." Is a huge red flag. A 12 year old who probably went to church and likely Sunday school would not understand basic Catholicism? Possible but doubtful.
I also think the very strong statement from the school is important. Someone high up had to approve that message and well knows that a message that strong, if the suit is successful might very well add another zero on to the judgement. They would have to be quite sure of their standing to do it, or complete idiots...
then there is your link in [80]. Why would they leave out most of the schools statement that contains the meat of the statement if it is not political?
There is one person that knows the real reason this is all happening and that's the kid.