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From The Archives -- Presidential Mythmaking

[ Posted Monday, February 21st, 2022 – 17:00 UTC ]

For no good reason, I am taking today off and running an old Presidents' Day column instead. Perhaps it is the weightiness of current events overseas, or perhaps it is just garden-variety Monday laziness. Either way, tomorrow seems soon enough to delve into the present crisis.

Today, though, I thought I'd run a column I wrote four years ago. Four years ago, of course, Donald Trump had been president for just over one year. Nobody had any idea how it all was going to end, as we had barely hit the one-fourth mark of his time in office (or, worst-case scenario, one-eighth). But even back then I could tell that his post-presidency was going to be a lot different than the usual "sitting back and planning his presidential library" phase that most ex-presidents go through.

Trump would be more hands-on and involved, and he wouldn't care one whit about libraries, instead he would care much more intensely about his "brand" and how he would be seen in the future. While back then I certainly never could have imagined the fallout from the 2020 election (and the January 6th attempted insurrection), I did manage to get a few things right.

Judge for yourself. Image it was still 2018 and the worst parts of Trump's presidency were still in the future. Imagine still being able to think of his post-presidency period in somewhat rational or normal terms. That is where I was when I wrote this.

And finally, I sincerely hope everyone has a great Presidents' Day everywhere, whether you were one of the lucky ones who got the day off work or not.

 

Originally published February 19, 2018

Since it's fun to do, and since today's a good day for it, let's take a look at one particular moment in American history. A Republican president sits in the White House. His very presence terrifies liberals, who consider him an intellectual lightweight (and even that's being polite) and not up to the job in any way. He cares more for his television presence than actual policy matters, it seems. Both the president and his wife seem elitist to the core and disdainful of reining in their excesses after moving to the White House. He is seen as a total puppet, and the only question members of the media have to explore is who the puppetmaster pulling his strings currently is. He packed his White House with his buddies, and they spend a lot of time fighting with Washington insiders. The rest of the world is horrified that we elected such a man president. There are even rumors that his campaign cut a deal with a tyrannical foreign government in order to help him get elected. In fact, there are very real fears he could start a nuclear war at any time, since his foreign policy is both erratic and belligerent. About the only thing he can get done in Congress is to pass a massive tax cut. That's what the prevailing opinion was at the time, inside the Beltway. His name? Ronald Reagan.

I draw this parallel for a reason, but allow me to sidle up to it rather than lay it out immediately. Reagan was indeed seen as a lightweight in the White House, even if he had been governor of California previously. The rest of the world thought we were crazy for electing a B-grade actor to the highest job in the land. Nancy Reagan's decision to buy new White House china settings was seen as close to a Marie Antoinette level of elitism. Reagan was derided for not knowing policy matters in any depth, and was ridiculed for using a TelePrompTer. But he certainly did know how to read his lines well on television, even liberals had to admit. His persona as a grandfatherly presence was tempered by his image as a staunch anti-communist. Everyone wondered who was pulling his strings -- his ambitious wife? His "kitchen cabinet" he had brought along from California? His vice president? Al Haig?

Reagan's campaign was rumored to have sent George H. W. Bush to negotiate in secret with Iran so they wouldn't release the Americans they were holding hostage until after the election. In fact, they released them on the day Reagan was sworn in. People were seriously worried Reagan would start World War III, except not with a rinky-dink country with a couple of nukes but with the Soviet Union, which had thousands of them. That was a lot more terrifying -- ask anyone who lived through the era.

Reagan's popularity, by the time he left office, wasn't all that high. He had had to admit to the nation that he had lied about the Iran/Contra arms scandal, and that members of his administration had broken the law. This was a huge blow to his job approval, and he finished with rather mediocre ratings.

Unlike Donald Trump, however, Reagan was never all that personally insecure about his position. His two electoral victories were both within the top ten of the largest landslides in American history, after all. His 1984 win was the fifth-largest of all time, when he won a whopping 525 Electoral College votes out of a possible 538.

But none of that stopped him from getting mercilessly mocked, for his lack of intelligence and (as he neared the end of his second term) his age and senility. This image had taken root by the time he left office, which was another reason why his approval ratings at the end weren't all that great.

In 1989, when Reagan retired, the right-wing media and think tank complex was still in its infancy. After George H. W. Bush turned out to be rather disappointing, the election of Bill Clinton caused a massive effort in either historical revisionism or presidential mythmaking (take your pick). By the mid-1990s, right-wing talk radio was ascendant and Fox News was just getting started. Plus, there was the shadowy world of what Hillary Clinton would later call the "vast, right-wing conspiracy," which was busily manufacturing all the anti-Clinton dirt it could. Richard Mellon Scaife was seen by liberals in much the same way the Koch brothers are seen today.

The mythmaking efforts surrounding Reagan's legacy were astoundingly successful. He was built up to Republican demigod status, to the point where he now is seen as some sort of Titan who strode the Earth. There was a concerted effort to rename all sorts of things after Reagan, which included wanting such a monument in all 50 states, as well as possibly carving his face onto Mount Rushmore. That last one, thankfully, failed, although plenty of buildings and one notable airport now bear Reagan's name.

This entire story is much better told in the book Tear Down This Myth: The Right-Wing Distortion Of The Reagan Legacy, by Will Bunch. It shows how the Reagan myth did not spring fully-formed in Republicans' minds, but instead was the result of a concerted effort by those who wanted to define conservatism in their own way.

Having taking the long way around, this finally brings me to today's Presidents' Day point. Presidential mythmaking is as old as our nation. The lionizing (indeed, almost deifying) of George Washington began while he was still alive. "The Father Of Our Country" and the "man who would not tell a lie" and all the rest of it happened because Washington's example was needed for a newly-born nation. We needed an "origin story" that put people up on pedestals. Washington was perfect for the role.

In Reagan's case, if you had told your average liberal voter in the late 1980s that Ronald Reagan would be similarly lionized by the right, the very idea would have been pretty laughable. Historians were smarter than that, liberals told themselves, and the real story would endure. This, obviously, did not happen. But a key point is that Reagan himself wasn't involved much in all this mythmaking. His ego wasn't driving the effort. Instead, others were building him up to mythic proportions to serve their own ends.

That's what is going to be different about the legacy Trump leaves behind him. In Trump's case, he will quite likely bankroll the effort to boost his presidency to mythic proportions. Trump's entire life has been about protecting his brand, after all, so why should anyone expect him to do any differently after he leaves the White House?

Liberals now expect Donald Trump to be nothing short of a laughingstock in future history books. At some point, they believe, the country will come to its senses and the Trump era will come to a crashing halt. After this point, history will reset itself and heap scorn on Trump for all the idiocies he produces seemingly on a daily basis. He will doubtlessly go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever, if not at the absolute bottom of the list.

This all seems pretty reasonable, sitting as we do in 2018. How could any sane person consider Trump's presidency a success, after all? He's gotten fewer things done than almost all the rest, and his bumbling and tweeting is nothing short of legendary.

But legends can change, over time. Either Trump will finish two terms as president after winning re-election, or he will be a one-term president who loses in 2020, or he will be ousted from office at some point (by either the Twenty-Fifth Amendment or impeachment). In any of these cases, however, it will certainly be in Trump's best interest to try to convince everyone that his side of the story is the only correct one and everything else is "fake history." Books will be ghostwritten. Think tanks may spring up to protect and glorify Trump's legacy. Facts will be rewritten (indeed, Trump already has shown his massive disdain for both facts and the truth, so why would this change?).

All I'm saying is don't be surprised when it happens, that's all. Whether Trump will be as successful in rewriting his legacy to fit a superhuman mold as the Reagan mythmakers were is an open question, of course. But what seems pretty certain is that the attempt will indeed be made. The theme of this mythmaking can already be discerned, in fact: "Why Trump was right about everything, and everybody else was completely wrong." Presidents have always had their mythmakers after they leave office, after all. The only thing different with Trump is that he may be the first one in history to take a personal hand in this mythmaking, to the tune of bankrolling the entire effort. As I said, Donald Trump has spent his entire career trying to build his last name into a brand name. So why would anyone expect anything different after he leaves office?

-- Chris Weigant

 

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39 Comments on “From The Archives -- Presidential Mythmaking”

  1. [1] 
    Michale wrote:

    @rush,

    A building is on fire and you are told that down at the end of the west wing there is a 4 month old sleeping in a crib and down at the end of the east wing there is a cold storage device containing 12 frozen embryos awaiting implant. You can only make it down one of the hallways before the fire will completely engulf the place and which ever wing you do not choose will die.

    So you really would choose frozen embryos over a living/breathing infant in order to save more lives?

    I would get my firefighter buddies to either put out the fire and save everyone or get them to go down both the halls and save everyone.. :D

    Yours is a bullshit scenario which doesn't address the FACTS or the SCIENCE of the issue..

    An embryo doesn't have a distinct heartbeat. Nor does it have fingerprints..

    You can dance all you want, russ... Abortion kills an innocent human life...

    This is the one fact that you can't spin away...

    And after the SCOTUS rules, the US Government will no longer support such barbaric killing of innocent human life..

    It will only be the Democrat shithole states that will support such barbaric killing of innocent human life..

  2. [2] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, it's on...

    IT'S ON!
    DEFIANT PUTIN
    ORDERS TROOPS INTO UKRAINE
    PLANS MILITARY BASES
    OIL NEARS $100
    UN EMERGENCY MEETING

    https://www.drudgereport.com/

    Looks like faux soldier... soldier-wannabee... cad was WRONG...

    Why am I not surprised???

  3. [3] 
    Michale wrote:

    If Joe Biden Doesn’t Change Course, This Will Be His Worst Failure

    I make no pretense of knowing how to solve a problem as wicked as Afghanistan. But Joe Biden chose this policy. For his own legacy, and more important, for the tens of millions of human beings suffering in Afghanistan, he needs to figure out how to fix it.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/opinion/afghanistan-starvation-biden.html

    With "friends" like Joe Biden's America....

    Ukraine doesn't need Russia.. :^/

    Just ask Afghanistan...

  4. [4] 
    Michale wrote:

    Putin will extract what he can from the newly unified West and thence stand down. It's not 2014 anymore and nowadays ivading Ukraine has too little upside versus too much downside.
    -cad, [ Friday, February 18th, 2022 at 17:51 ]

    Putin orders Russian troops to Ukraine after recognising breakaway regions

    MOSCOW, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the deployment of troops to two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine after recognising them as independent on Monday, accelerating a crisis the West fears could unleash a major war.

    A Reuters witness saw tanks and other military hardware moving through the separatist-controlled city of Donetsk after Putin formally recognised the breakaway regions and ordered the deployment of Russian forces to "keep the peace".
    -The Facts... The Reality [ Tuesday, 02-22-2022 at 02:14 ]

    So, cad... This begs the question..

    Why are you, an alleged American veteran, supporting Putin and Russia so much???

    I know, I know.. You don't have an answer..

    But your non-answer is really an answer as well, isn't it??

  5. [5] 
    Michale wrote:

    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/02/918/516/Nothing-Against-the-State-2.21.22.png?ve=1&tl=1

    THIS ^^^^ Exactly this....

    Adolph Trudeau is using fascist tactics against people he claims are fascist..

    But the funny thing is, there are NO FACTS to support Pajama Boy's claims..

    The fascist tactics of the Trudeau regime is well documented..

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    @cad

    Russian military vehicles roll through outskirts of Donetsk after Putin orders troops into Ukraine

    Russia-Ukraine: World reacts as Putin orders troops into Ukraine: LIVE UPDATES
    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/russia-ukraine-invasion-imminent

    Do you EVER get tired of being wrong, cad???

    "cad... I am LAUGHING at your supposed military service..."

    BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  7. [7] 
    Michale wrote:

    And, now from the ONLY unbiased and objective OFFICIAL Weigantian™ News Source..

    Kyle Rittenhouse Announces Potential Lawsuits Against Whoopi Goldberg, Cenk Uygur

    Kyle Rittenhouse announced The Media Accountability Project, an initiative to help raise money for legal challenges against outlets that he believes defamed him during his trial, in his appearance on Fox News' 'Tucker Carlson Tonight.' Kyle Rittenhouse told Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Monday that he is considering suing "politicians, celebrities, athletes" and others that defamed his character.

    "Me and my team have decided to launch The Media Accountability Project (TMAP) as a tool to help fundraise and hold the media accountable for the lies they said and deal with them in court... Right now we are looking at politicians, celebrities, athletes. Whoopi Goldberg is on the list. She called me a murderer after I was acquitted by a jury of my peers. She went on to still say that. There are others. Don't forget about Cenk [Uygur] from 'The Young Turks.' He called me a murderer before the verdict and continues to call me a murderer," Rittenhouse said.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/02/21/kyle_rittenhouse_announces_potential_lawsuits_against_whoopi_goldberg_cenk_uygur.html

    GOOD..

    If these scumbag liars and lying organizations start having to have to pay big bucks for their lies....

    Maybe they'll learn just to stick with FACTS...

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    Adolph Trudeau's fascist gestapo tactics are having real world consequences...

    Conservatives up 10 points in new poll amid Trudeau's anti-freedom fiasco

    Conservatives are up 10 points under Bergen, according to new data from Mainstreet Research.
    Amid the Trudeau government's crackdown on the freedom protests, the federal Conservative party has shot up in the polls since Candice Bergen took over as interim leader, according to new data from Mainstreet Research.

    "The 10-point jump for the Tories comes as Bergen advocates for protesters & as the Tories oppose the government’s use of the Emergencies Act, which was invoked to give police new powers to remove those same demonstrators," iPolitics reporter Rachel Emmanuel reported on the new poll's findings.
    https://thepostmillennial.com/conservatives-up-10-points-in-new-poll-amid-trudeaus-anti-freedom-fiasco

    Canadians don't like when their government uses fascist tactics against peaceful and non-violent protesters..

  9. [9] 
    Michale wrote:

    "Look, families are getting clobbered by the cost of everyday things. You know, I know that gas and food prices are up; we're working to bring them down.

    And I grew up in a family where the price at the pump was felt in the kitchen. Everybody knew. Everybody felt it. I understand. These are necessities, but they're not the totality of what a family needs."
    -Joe Biden

    What a crock of horseshit...

    In the 50s when Biden was growing up, gas prices were steady.. AND low.. Under 30 cents a gallon..

    Where is all the Democrat hysteria about "lies"?? Of course, non existent because ya'all don't really care when a president lies..

    Ya'all ONLY care if it's a REPUBLICAN president who lies..

    Hypocrisy.. Not a Democrat program bug. It's a feature.

  10. [10] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Okay, Michale, now you are just being plain disrespectful - to Chris and to all of us.

    This is not your blog.

    Stop acting like it is!

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    Okay, Michale, now you are just being plain disrespectful - to Chris and to all of us.

    This is not your blog.

    Stop acting like it is!

    I am simply posting.. On current events even...

    No one else posting appears to make it "my blog"..

    Not any actions by me...

    It's not my fault ya'all can't keep up with the FACTS... :D

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    Since the current commentary mentions Russia's attack on Ukraine, that is certainly an on-topic discussion, no??

    And, since cad has been VERY vocal about his claims of US Military service AND his BS claims about all of Putin's actions simply being nothing but a bluff, it's certainly within my purview to laugh in cad's face and declare what a dolt he is...

  13. [13] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I'm talking about your beligerent demeaner, not about what or how much you write. Guess I'm finally getting sick of it.

    It is in your purview to behave however you like but, when you are in someone eles's house and there are many other guests there, too, then you should be respectful when interacting there.

  14. [14] 
    Michale wrote:

    It is in your purview to behave however you like but, when you are in someone eles's house and there are many other guests there, too, then you should be respectful when interacting there.

    {looks around}

    Seems to be only you and me in this "house", Liz.. :D

    Most times, it's just me... :D

    The door is always open..

    Me being here does not preclude anyone else from being here...

    The fact that people CHOOSE not to be here is not really on me, now is it??

  15. [15] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I give up. For today, anyways ... got a brand new debut album today, released on Valentine's Day, it arrive in beautiful pink packaging! Two singles have already been released, too and here is one of them...

    Al Harlow - My Mind is Running Away With You

    It's a killer album!!!

  16. [16] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    By the way,

    Seems to be only you and me in this "house", Liz.. :D Most times, it's just me... :D The door is always open.

    Yes, the door is ALWAYS open for whomever is interested in looking in on the, ah, discussion. I would wager that your behavior here has resulted in many deciding not to even lurk let alone join in this blog.

    Is that your intention? To act as a blocade to this blog?

  17. [17] 
    Michale wrote:

    es, the door is ALWAYS open for whomever is interested in looking in on the, ah, discussion. I would wager that your behavior here has resulted in many deciding not to even lurk let alone join in this blog.

    Is that your intention? To act as a blocade to this blog?

    My intention is to bring facts to the fact-less..

    If people do not have any facts of their own to refute my facts?? Well, that's not on me, now is it??

    Anyone and everyone has the liberty to come in and lay down their own facts or attempt to refute my facts..

    The fact that people don't is not on me, it's on them..

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    Is that your intention? To act as a blocade to this blog?

    How can I blockade Weigantia™???

    You ascribe way too much power to me..

    On the other hand, if by that you mean my facts are incontrovertible and by posting the facts, I blockade the hysterical hypocritical BS of Democrats in general???

    Well, then I guess, under that definition, I am "blockading" Weigantia™...

    But don't you want to be in a FACT based Weigantia?? A REALITY based Weigantia???

    I know I do... :D

  19. [19] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    How can I blockade Weigantia™???

    Simply by repelling any newcomers who are lurking and deciding whether to join this blog or move on. That's how.

  20. [20] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    And, you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

    I'll give you this - you sure know how to use facts to manipulate and interpret them to make whatever point you want. That doesn't necessarily result in factual analyses and, in your case, rarely does. This is a turn-off for people who may be lurking here but don't wish to participate in the never-ending nonsense that results from how you use, manipulate and mangle the facts.

    And, your rudeness, I'm sure, is the last straw for many would-be Weigantians who would love to engage in a real political discussion.

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    I'll give you this - you sure know how to use facts to manipulate and interpret them to make whatever point you want.

    Facts are facts.. They are what they are... They cannot be manipulated or interpreted..

    Maybe what you mean is that, up until I arrived back on the scene, ya'all were not getting facts, but rather Democrat Party spin...

    In that case...

    "What can I say except 'YER WELCOME'.."
    -Maui, MOANA

    :D

    And, your rudeness, I'm sure, is the last straw for many would-be Weigantians who would love to engage in a real political discussion.

    I can't help it if Democrats are snowflakes.. Political advocacy is a contact sport..

    If they can't bring their own facts to the discussion and the discussion is too hot?? Well.... Then maybe political blogging ain't for them, eh?? :D

    The long and short of it is, beyond the Administration, NO ONE can DENY ANYONE the ability to comment here...

    If people don't like the facts and choose not to comment??

    Well, it makes no sense to cap on the purveyor of the facts, eh???

  22. [22] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    facts are facts.. They are what they are... They cannot be manipulated or interpreted..

    False. You do it ALL the time.

  23. [23] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    can't help it if Democrats are snowflakes.. Political advocacy is a contact sport..

    No, it has nothing to do with that, as you well know or should by now. ;)

    It is possible to engage in a heated back and forth discussion without making so many nonsensical comments that most people don't have time for. But, I understand quite well what you are doing here to limit - to eliminate altogether - intelligent, hard-hitting political discourse.

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    It is possible to engage in a heated back and forth discussion without making so many nonsensical comments that most people don't have time for. But, I understand quite well what you are doing here to limit - to eliminate altogether - intelligent, hard-hitting political discourse.

    Seems to me that if lil ol me can prevent "hard hitting political discourse" then it ain't that much hard hitting... or political discourse for that matter..

    The simple fact is, ya'all have led sheltered lives where the FACTS about the Democrat Party and Democrats in general was unknown..

    I mean, if it weren't for me, ya'all would believe that the Democrats were going to do just fine in the upcoming mid-terms..

    Ya'all wouldn't know a thing about how bad Democrats are doing.. And how bad Democrats are failing..

    So, once again.. Yer welcome.. :D I am the Weigantian Freedom Fighter!!! :D

    NO ONE can deny ya'all to be disenfranchised with Weigantia without ya'all's tacit approval and assistance..

    This is fact...

  25. [25] 
    Michale wrote:

    I know what the problem here is..

    Ya'all had a nice little echo chamber for a while where you can DITTO, DITTO, DITTO yourselves silly..

    And now ya'all don't have it anymore.. NOW, facts and reality have intruded into your little Ditto Shangri-la...

    Well, excuse me for bringing facts and reality into ya'all's Ditto Head paradise... :D

  26. [26] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Yours is a bullshit scenario which doesn't address the FACTS or the SCIENCE of the issue..

    An embryo doesn't have a distinct heartbeat. Nor does it have fingerprints..

    So, therefore, an embryo is not a life? Live does NOT begin at conception? And if fingerprints are a proof for life, then prior to their appearance the fetus is not alive? Wow, you cannot keep your arguments straight! These “FACTS and the SCIENCE of the issue” that you keep repeating as if they actually mean anything to the question of when is something considered “alive” in our culture are simply progress markers in our species’ developmental timeline for reproducing offspring.

    The unique DNA and heartbeats are stages that occur during the gestation period for all mammals. Unique DNA is the first marker of ALL creatures that reproduce sexually! Seriously, your insistent repeating of these Snapple cap facts as if they are meaningful to this discussion would be laughable if they weren’t so pitiful.

  27. [27] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, therefore, an embryo is not a life? Live does NOT begin at conception?

    Argue with CRS on that.. I simply agreed with him.. :D

    The unique DNA and heartbeats are stages that occur during the gestation period for all mammals.

    Except humans are the only mammal that acquires sentience..

    Seriously, your insistent repeating of these Snapple cap facts as if they are meaningful to this discussion would be laughable if they weren’t so pitiful.

    And your insistence on providing NO FACTS or SCIENCE to prove that killing babies is perfectly acceptable is sad and pathetic...

  28. [28] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    to me that if lil ol me can prevent "hard hitting political discourse" then it ain't that much hard hitting... or political discourse for that matter..

    I shall try once more but, Michale, you really do have to read my comments more carefully.

    I believe it is your purpose here to try to limit or eliminate hard-hitting political discourse by discouraging anyone new who would love to engage in such discussion and debate but for your incessant and rude and disrespectful and factually-challenged comments.

    Constantly saying that you alone present the facts doesn't make your comments here factual, by the way. It's just part of your SOP ... all in an effort to clear out this blog's comments sections of all but the very tedious contributors, just like you!

    I also think you would love to starve this blog of the contributions throughout the year and especially during the annual fundraising drive. Another reason to repel new people by being a ... well, you know what.

    I hope your efforts don't work. But, I know I have asked someone to join our discussion and now I am embarrassed by that invitation and hope he has never bothered to check it out.

  29. [29] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    I asked this person because his political views are not the same as mine.

    I hope you are happy, Michale.

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    I believe it is your purpose here to try to limit or eliminate hard-hitting political discourse by discouraging anyone new who would love to engage in such discussion and debate but for your incessant and rude and disrespectful and factually-challenged comments.

    You have yet to provide any facts that prove my comments are "factually challenged"..

    I have asked you repeatedly to provide such facts and you never do..

    Constantly saying that you alone present the facts doesn't make your comments here factual, by the way.

    True...

    The fact that none of ya'all, you yourself included, can provide any facts that disprove my comments is what makes my comments factual...

    I hope you are happy, Michale.

    I am always happy.. I'm a happy person.. :D

  31. [31] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Except humans are the only mammal that acquires sentience..

    Really? For humans, when does that occur? When, exactly, does man become sentient? I had no idea that we were the only mammals who feel emotions! Dogs are incredible at faking our emotions in order to manipulate us if are correct…which, of course, you aren’t!

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Really? For humans, when does that occur?

    Not relevant to the point..

    Do you have any facts that show humans don't acquire sentience??

    No you do not..

    You are fighting a losing battle, rush...

    You are fighting for women's rights to kill children..

    Yer fighting for the likes of Casey Anthony...

    How does that make you feel??

    Why do you hate children so much??

  33. [33] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    You have yet to provide any facts that prove my comments are "factually challenged"..

    I have asked you repeatedly to provide such facts and you never do..

    We do it all the time; but you have made it abundantly clear that you aren’t interested in an honest debate. Besides, you are demanding that we prove that your “facts” are not true when you offer no evidence that they were true to begin with! You demand that we provide evidence that our comments are factual while refusing to do the same for your comments you claim to be “factual”. Even when we do the work proving your facts are actually lies, you simply ignore the evidence. You aren’t here to discuss politics… you are here to increase the number of posts.

    You are here to agitate and post comments meant to anger us enough - by using rhetoric and half-truths to upset the reader — so that we feel the need to defend our positions and correct your lies. But you aren’t interested in the debate.

    Lots of corporations hired/recruited online agitators to keep people engaged on their message boards back in the AOL era of the internet. I cannot think of any other explanation for why CW allows you to turn his site into a portal right-wing propaganda regurgitation.

    I’ve always known that you are too smart to believe the bullshat that you post. You present arguments that have to be worded in just a way to twist it to appear to be true. That sort of mental gymnastics required to make some of your arguments sound believable requires intelligence to craft. But, sadly, you have gotten lazy in your old-age. It’s like you aren’t really trying anymore. It’s clear that you just want to get your numbers in and that’s all.

  34. [34] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    Case in point…

    Do you have any facts that show humans don't acquire sentience??

    No you do not..

    I NEVER claimed or even hinted that I believed that humans don’t acquire sentience! So why would I need to defend your lies?

    This is how you work.

  35. [35] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Indeed.

  36. [36] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    [33] ListenWhenYouHear

    It's as classic a game of Calvinball as you'll ever find, starting with the premise that posting on a blog is a competitive sport that can be WON (but always and only ever by Calvin).

  37. [37] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Heh. Because, everyone know, Calvin is the only one armed with the facts. It remains infuriating.

  38. [38] 
    Kick wrote:

    Mike
    27

    Except humans are the only mammal that acquires sentience..

    ~ Michale the Poon

    *

    If the SCOTUS allows the United States government to control wombs, they could conceivably prohibit a poon like this from having stupid people and perpetuating the further dumbing down of America.

  39. [39] 
    ListenWhenYouHear wrote:

    MyVoice [36]

    SPOT ON! Love that comparison!

    -Russ

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