McCarthy Gives Cawthorn A Stern Talking-To, But Refuses To Actually Do Anything
The only sin a Republican can commit these days that merits any sort of consequences from members of their own party seems to be to badmouth or otherwise cast aspersions on either (1) Donald Trump, or (2) any Republican politician in good standing with Donald Trump. This is the new GOP Rubicon, it seems. Falling afoul of this standard means shunning and perhaps excommunication from the Republican ranks, but anything short of it (and it's getting more and more obvious that they really do mean anything) might lead to a strong talking-to, at worst.
This morning the news broke that Kevin McCarthy, the invertebrate leader of House Republicans, together with Minority Whip Steve Scalise had a little sit-down chat with Madison Cawthorn. The meeting reportedly only lasted half an hour. I guess it didn't take too long to call Cawthorn on the carpet for his recent avowal that his fellow Republicans in Congress were blatantly snorting cocaine around him and inviting him to wild orgies -- even though they're in their 60s or 70s.
Here's the story and the full quote, for anyone who hasn't already heard about it:
In an interview last week with the "Warrior Poet Society" podcast, Cawthorn was asked whether the hit television show House of Cards was an accurate reflection of life in the nation's capital. Cawthorn responded by talking about the "sexual perversion that goes on in Washington" and suggested that he had been invited to an "orgy" by an unnamed lawmaker.
"I mean, being kind of a young guy in Washington, where the average age is probably 60 or 70 -- you know, I look at all these people, a lot of them that I've always looked up to through my life, always paid attention to politics, guys that, you know. Then all of the sudden you get invited to, like, 'Oh hey, we're going to have kind of a sexual get-together at one of our homes. You should come,'" Cawthorn said in the interview, which was reported Sunday by Business Insider. "And I'm like, 'What? What did you just ask me to come to?' And then you realize they're asking you to come to an orgy."
Cawthorn also claimed that he had witnessed unnamed prominent figures in Washington doing cocaine.
"Or the fact that, you know, there's some of the people that are leading on the movement to try and remove addiction in our country, and then you watch them do a key bump of cocaine right in front of you. And it's like, this is wild," he said.
This isn't the only time Cawthorn has caused some raised eyebrows of late, either:
In addition to the orgy-cocaine claims, McCarthy also cited Cawthorn's calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy a "thug" as problematic. Plus, Cawthorn had caused another controversy when he lied to an officer in the Capitol, saying GOP congressional candidate Robby Starbuck was one of his staffers to bring him onto the House floor. Additionally, McCarthy said it's unacceptable for a member of Congress to be caught driving without a license after failing to show up to court.
If you're unsure of what that last one refers to, the Washington Post had more details:
But his actions and statements have also prompted scrutiny. Earlier this month, Cawthorn was charged for the second time in his home state with driving with a revoked license, an offense that carries a maximum $200 fine or 20 days in jail.
He also faces two speeding citations -- one for driving 89 miles per hour in a 65-mile-per-hour zone Oct. 18, and another for driving 87 miles per hour in a 70-mile-per-hour zone on Jan. 8, according to the North Carolina State Highway Patrol.
But back to the whole coke-n-orgies thing. Astonishingly, Republican constituents have been calling their representatives to ask what the heck is going on up on Capitol Hill, which surely must be annoying. Even more astonishingly, some Republicans are calling on Cawthorn to actually name names:
"It does paint the picture here that isn't accurate," Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Tex., told The Daily Beast. "Name names. Let's see who he hangs out with."
"I think it is important, if you're going to say something like that, to name some names," echoed Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa. said in an interview with Politico.
"You should have to name names if you are going to go make those kinds of brush stroke accusations and impugn the character of people in this institution or... anybody else in this town," another House Republican added.
McCarthy, after his meeting with Cawthorn, made a public statement intended to calm everyone down a bit:
And McCarthy had some information for Republican lawmakers who have called on Cawthorn to name names, too. The GOP leader said Cawthorn described the cocaine incident differently than he did in the podcast. Instead of a lawmaker, Cawthorn told McCarthy he believes "he thinks he saw maybe a staffer in a parking garage maybe 100 yards away," and that Cawthorn told him "he doesn't know what cocaine is."
In other words, Cawthorn is just a garden-variety liar. "Doesn't know what cocaine is"? Seriously? How strange! He doesn't even know what the stuff is, but he used a specific term like "key bump" when talking about it in an interview? This is a downright laughable attempt at spin, but who knows what Republicans are willing to say they believe these days, right?
And of course, the GOP leaders had some strong words for Cawthorn, or so they said:
"There's a lot of different things that can happen. But I just told him he's lost my trust. He's going to have to earn it back," McCarthy said when asked if Cawthorn could face consequences for his actions, including losing his committee positions. "I mean, he's got a lot of members very upset."
McCarthy said that, during their private talk, he pointed to "certain things" Cawthorn needed to start doing professionally and in "his own life as well." And he isn't discounting more meetings with the freshman lawmaker, saying there "very well could be" more conversations with Cawthorn as GOP leaders assess "what actions are taken" by him.
"You can't make statements like that as a member of Congress, it affects everybody else and the country as a whole," McCarthy added.
House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) said in an interview that, during their meeting with Cawthorn, the House GOP's top two leaders "expressed real concern with some of the things that he's done recently. And obviously, the ball's in his court in terms of how to respond. But we were very clear with the concerns we had -- and a lot of other members too."
Of course, McCarthy didn't actually strip Cawthorn of his committee assignments, because that sort of punishment is reserved for those who commit the worst sins -- like placing fidelity to the Constitution and your oath of office above Donald Trump, for instance. Because these days, that's really the only punishable sin, as the article later pointed out:
It was a notable dressing down from a Republican leader who at other times has seemed content to leave troublesome members alone. McCarthy was pressured to address another controversy within his ranks just weeks ago, when Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) attended an event led by a known white nationalist. McCarthy was less critical about Greene's behavior, saying he met with the Georgia firebrand on the matter and that she wouldn't do it again. It is unclear if he met with Gosar.
The Freedom Caucus is also reportedly annoyed at Cawthorn, but while a few members have called for the caucus to kick him out, it's not likely they will -- the remarks instead are seen as "more rattling and venting than an actual likelihood" of such a fate.
At least one Republican is not buying the spin from McCarthy and Scalise, however:
Rep. Steve Womack (R-Ark.) suggested he won't be satisfied if the conversation with the GOP leaders ended with a simple promise from Cawthorn that he won't make comments or suggestions like this again, noting that he has repeatedly caused headaches for the GOP conference.
"Depends on what the outcome of the meeting was," Womack said in an interview. "If it's: 'Hey, don't do that, again.' We've been there. That hasn't worked. Frankly, if western North Carolina is not going to fix the problem, then leadership will have to."
But, of course, they won't, because doing so would require McCarthy to have an actual backbone. As Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez poignantly pointed out in a tweet, which is a good place to end on:
Not sure why Republicans are acting so shocked by Cawthorn's alleged revelations about their party. One of their members is being investigated for sex trafficking a minor and they've been pretty OK w/ that. They issued more consequences to members who voted to impeach Trump.
-- Chris Weigant
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
Cawthorn doesn't know what cocaine is after using the term key bump?
Priceless.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT this is nothing new from the Pretend Party of America.
The Party that pretends that trickle down actually works for ALL Americans.
Pretending that Dubya and Cheetogod weren't massive failures, both of them running up the deficit (no millionaire left behind,) trashing our economy and embarrassing us on the world stage.
Pretending that Mexico is going to pay for the wall and that the J6 Insurrectionists were tourists engaging in normal political discourse. Or else Antifa.
Pretending that Governmental control of women's uteruses isn't Big Government while pretending criminal behavior is Patriotism.
Again, as long as these racists/rubes/religious whackos get their reality from right-wing media they don't really care what the rest of us think.
Kind of like Fredo pretending he's right and the rest of humanity is wrong.
And like Michale pretending that his integrity is worth a penny more than the $150 in bets he welched on.
Yeah. Dodge. Funny.
Enough, already.
This comments section is not for boring and idle chit chat.
AOC could, should she ever wish to put the effort into it, be a veritable powerhouse in the Democratic party ...
you just don't have any valid arguments against pie, so you ignore the possibilities.
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Dunno, poet. Marie Antoinette always said Let them eat cake and things turned out just fine.
Thank God!
Betty Bower's* Intervention with the Gremlin in the Kremlin. (7:04)
Doing her part to help the Westboro Baptist of world nations and stuff.
*America's Best Christian(tm)
Russ,
From #103 yesterday...
Do you HEAR yourself!!???
"They authenticated the hundreds of thousands of emails, txt messages and other electronic text ON the laptop but didn't authenticate the laptop.."
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You really are digging yourself a deep hole, aren't you.. :D
THOUSANDS of selfies of Hunter Biden.. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of emails, txt messages and the like CONFIRMED to be TO and FROM Hunter Biden..
"But it's not proven that the laptop is Hunter Bidens!!!"
-Russ
BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Talk about denial of reality...
I get it Russ.. You don't WANT to believe it...
But even Democrat Water Carriers are confirming the facts about Hunter Biden's laptop..
Continue to deny the facts all you want.. I find it hilarious.. :D And I sure could use some hilarity right now.. :D
So thanx for helping me out..
MC,
And like Michale pretending that his integrity is worth a penny more than the $150 in bets he welched on.
Just can't let that go, eh? :D
First off, it was only $100.. Secondly, it was paid to a charity of JL's (A Weigantia Founder) choosing...
Get over it already.. :D
Liz,
... and one reason why you need to be very critical of news coming from Ukraine and Russian officials and the US DoD, for that matter.
It's very important, especially during a war, to have impeccably reliable sources.
Agreed.. But to date, we're not really seeing any reliable reporting..
The vast majority of reports coming from BOTH sides appear too outlandish to be factually accurate..
But one thing is becoming slightly less murky...
Zelensky has given up on NATO membership..
If that is true, then Ukraine has already lost and Zelensky should issue an unconditional surrender..
Why waste more lives?? Why should more people have to die??
Then all of the sudden you get invited to, like, 'Oh hey, we're going to have kind of a sexual get-together at one of our homes. You should come,'" Cawthorn said in the interview, which was reported Sunday by Business Insider. "And I'm like, 'What? What did you just ask me to come to?' And then you realize they're asking you to come to an orgy."
Why would Cawthorn be invited to an orgy? What purpose could he possibly have for being at an orgy? If the girl who normally works the “Clothes Check” booth couldn’t find a babysitter and had to cancel last minute… so they are desperate!??!
They could wheel him onto the middle of the floor, lock the chair’s brakes, and then use his slimy self as a lubrication station, maybe?
I guess they could always put a furniture box over him and his wheelchair, cut out a couple of holes in the box and Maddy is a “Rolling Glory Hole”!
Cawthorn also claimed that he had witnessed unnamed prominent figures in Washington doing cocaine.
Good to hear that they finally made the VIP Room at the RNC wheelchair accessible. It’s either that or Kimberly Guilfoyle and Donald Trump Jr. are now considered “prominent figures” for some reason.
Once again... The FACTS show that Democrats are EXTREMELY worried about November..
Democrats already know they are going to lose the House..
Now, they are just trying to take the sting out of HOW BAD they lose the House..
The Party in power usually lose an average of 26 seats in the first Mid Term..
Republicans only need to NET 5 seats to take control of the House..
I am sure you people can do the math.. :D
Russ,
Why is everyone so concerned about this guy's sex life??
You of all people shouldn't be condemning people for their lifestyle choices, eh??
Hypocrisy.. It's not a bug in Democrat programming. It's a feature..
Hay, what are you doing here so early??
I am usually all by my lonesome this early in the AM, eh? :D
Well, it's good to have the company.. :D
This DON'T SAY GAY crap is getting completely out of hand!!
Employees have by and large expressed outrage over the company's initial failure to condemn "don't say gay" – which will severely limit the extent to which teachers can teach students about gender, sexuality, and family life – before the measure's passage. Earlier this month, Disney CEO Dave Chapek refused to publicly denounce the bill as it was approved by the state Senate. Chapek shortly issued an apology and a formal condemnation after facing a wave of internal blowback.
https://www.salon.com/2022/03/30/boycottdisney-how-disneys-new-ceo-has-managed-to-anger-both-sides-of-the-culture/
The Florida law limits what teachers can teach TO 5, 6 and 7 year olds about sexual identity and gender bender crap..
I mean, honestly..
Is there **ANYONE** here who thinks that 5, 6 and 7 year olds NEED to learn that stuff??
"No little Johnny.. You can't play with blocks today. I know, I know.. It's kindergarten, but you need to learn that you can be a girl, even if you have a penis.."
-Democrat Teacher
On WHAT planet would THAT kind of crap be acceptable!!??
Why are Democrats so intent on NOT letting kids be kids.. Why do Democrats want to indoctrinate kids so young!??
It's also the EPITOME of hypocrisy that Disney WANTS children as young as 5 yrs old to learn about sex stuff while at the same time, Disney is in bed with Communist China....
Once again proving the maxim...
Hypocrisy.. It's not a bug in Democrat programming. It's a feature..
Awww crap!!! The ONE time I don't use PREVIEW!! :^/
Reposted for clarity...
The simple fact is, this Florida Law doesn't do ANYTHING that the hysterical Woke Democrats claim it does..
It DOESN'T prevent casual discussions about alternate lifestyles..
Although, I would be VERY WARY about a teacher or aide who WANTS to have a "casual discussion" with a 5 yr old about sexuality issues and gender bending crap...
I mean, seriously... Woke Democrats are veering away from political issues and straying into CREEPY areas...
Any teacher that WANTS to have discussions about sexuality and gender bender issues with a 5 year old???
SHOULD NOT BE TEACHING!!!
Spotlighting messaging problem, Democratic strategists urge Biden to ‘sell, sell, sell’
Democratic strategists offer suggestions on how the president can right the ship and pump up his poll numbers
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spotlighting-messaging-problem-democratic-strategists-urge-biden-to-sell-sell-sell
Ahhhh Democrats..
Still think that MESSAGING is the problem.. :D
Here's a free clue for Democrats..
It's NOT your messaging that patriotic Americans don't like....
It's THE MESSAGE...
Americans don't WANT Woke Gender Bending crap as the norm...
Americans don't WANT ya'all's racist attitudes on CRT and EQUITY...
Americans know that Democrats simply cannot lead..
And they will express this in November when they throw Democrats out of the leadership offices..
Deal with it...
Do ya'all want to know how far off the Reservation Democrats have gone??
Woke columnists claim Will Smith Oscars slap exemplifies 'anti-Black' system
'This is about a much larger systemic issue rooted in white supremacist culture'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/will-smith-oscars-slap-exemplifies-anti-black-system
Get that??
Will Smith, a black man... Slaps Chris Rock, ALSO a black man... for a tasteless albeit somewhat funny joke..
And it's ALL the fault of White Supremacists!!
WTF!!!???
And you people wonder why Americans are turning on and running away from the Democrat Party??
It's because of baseless, factless, totally RACIST crap like that....
Democrats are proving EVERY DAY how completely and utterly whacked Democrats are and so far outside the mainstream of the American people... Democrats are living on a different planet...
But, as I said.. It's simply indicative of today's Democrats.
When yer a hammer.. Everything looks like a nail..
When yer a racist.. EVERYTHING looks like racism..
Military General concedes that Biden policies failed in preventing Russia from invading Ukraine..
Biden's sanctions are STILL failing..
Despite Western sanctions, Russian ruble and banks are recovering
Russia's ruble and banking system are showing continued signs of recovery from the initial punch of sanctions, as Moscow relies on energy exports and currency controls to partly protect the nation's economy.
After initially plummeting, the ruble has rebounded and is edging closer to the value it held before the war began, according to the official exchange rate. And the banking system is gradually stabilizing as panicked customer withdrawals subside, economists say.
Some of the recovery is artificial, made possible by strict limits that the central bank, the Bank of Russia, has placed on currency exchange, withdrawals and hard-currency transfers overseas. But it is also due to a very real factor still working in Russia's favor: strong oil and gas exports that bring a flood of hard currency into the country.
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Despite-Western-sanctions-Russian-ruble-and-17047731.php
In other words, by not moving to regain America's energy independence, Biden is STILL funding Putin's war against Ukraine...
As with Afghanistan, Biden is a completely and utter failure...
The FACTS are clear...
More information on Biden's failure in Ukraine..
Putin's plan to prop up the ruble is working. For now
The barrage of sanctions imposed by the West following Russia's invasion of Ukraine decimated the ruble. But one month after the tanks rolled, the currency has made a full recovery and is now trading at levels seen prior to the war. How is that possible?
Russia's central bank has taken dramatic steps in recent weeks to intervene in the market, implementing policies to prevent investors and companies from selling the currency and other measures that force them to buy it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/31/investing/russia-ruble-putin/index.html
When it comes to Biden's military leadership??
It's one sordid failure after another...
Do ya'all know what's so amazing about the Hunter Biden saga???
That the story is SOOO big and SOOO relevant in the here and now, that normal Democrat Water Carriers are FORCED to cover it!! :D
So much for the BS claims that this is all a "nothing burger"... :^/
The facts are clear and more and more are revealed every day..
And it's LEFT WING rags that are driving all the revelations.. :D
So, it's IMPOSSIBLE for skeptics to claim the reporting is skewed and biased.. :D
Like I have said.. I get it.. You people don't *WANT* to believe the facts...
But ya'all's desire to believe or not to believe is irrelevant..
The facts are well-documented, unambiguous and conclusive... Hunter Biden is going down.. And will likely take Joe Biden down with him... :D
The facts are clear and more and more are revealed every day..
And it's LEFT WING rags that are driving all the revelations.. :D
So, it's IMPOSSIBLE for skeptics to claim the reporting is skewed and biased.. :D
There is simply NO rational or valid argument that can dispute the FACTS as laid out by the NY Times and WaPo....
It's that simple...
The facts that WOULD have prevented Joe Biden from being elected are coming out now..
And it's going to hurt Democrats very badly in 2022 and will kill ANY chance of Joe Biden running for re-election..
"Lighten up, Francis."
-Sgt Hulka, STRIPES
:D
Sad to hear about Bruce Willis..
He's one of the greats...
But it DOES explain the abysmal movies he made in 2021...
Ya, I've read that Bruce Willis was going down for a while and was taking any and all movies to build up a cash reserve for his family. Sad but he had a good run...
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No shit, Sherlock.
Ya, I've read that Bruce Willis was going down for a while and was taking any and all movies to build up a cash reserve for his family. Sad but he had a good run...
Yea he did...
He was one of my generation's biggest action stars...
"Yer the WRONG man in the WRONG place at the WRONG time!!!"
"Story of my life..."
-DIE HARD II, DIE HARDER
DIE HARD 4 LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was my favorite...
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But I misspoke, Fredo. I meant to say kind of like how Fredo pretends he's "engaging" rather than ducking, fleeing or even pretending not to understand English every last time anyone wastes time shooting down OD.
NYC children wounded 26 times so far in 2022, shootings of kids nearly doubled by mid-March: 'Disgusting'
As of March 15, 24 children were shot in 2022, compared to the 13 reported year-over-year.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-children-shootings-murders
The consequences of Democrats' DEFUND DEMORALIZE DEMONIZE THE POLICE policies...
:^/
Ya'all need to come to grips with reality..
Hunter Biden and his laptop are NOT going away, people...
Ya'all need to come to grips with this reality...
I mean come on, Trumps Keystone Consiglieres were so inept with the laptop, that it does not matter if true or not. Anything on it could not be entered into evidence in a court case without corroboration elsewhere. A small percentage of the files have been authenticated and there is evidence that files have been added to the drive that the Post was given. I think the media companies were right to block that story. It was a pathetic attempt at an October surprise, and it's own version of fraud.
Now what I find interesting is that you and the media you parrot ignore quite a bit of the NYT and WaPo articles. They think the files probably come from the laptop but that is not confirmed by the only people that matter, those who are running the investigation. They mention that it is not known if the investigation is specifically looking at Hunter or mainly other's in the company he was working with. But most importantly, what's the crime? Hunter shows a pattern in his emails of wanting to follow the law to the letter and even recommending a law firm to hire to ensure that. Then you have to connect that to Joe, to which there are emails to say that did not happen. The Trump kids pull a few Hunter Bidens before breakfast before they turn to the actual illegal stuff, should the Democrats return the favor?
And what's up with Trump asking the enemy in wartime to dig up dirt on the sitting president son? That should be the real scandal. It certainly would be if the situation was reversed...
I mean come on, Trumps Keystone Consiglieres were so inept with the laptop, that it does not matter if true or not.
I am sure you want to believe that..
But the WaPo and NY Times reporting indicates otherwise..
A small percentage of the files have been authenticated and there is evidence that files have been added to the drive that the Post was given.
And postulate a realistic scenario where SOME of the files on there are valid and SOME are not..
You can't..
But most importantly, what's the crime
The crimes have been well established..
You ignore that because you are in the bag for the Bidens...
And what's up with Trump asking the enemy in wartime to dig up dirt on the sitting president son? That should be the real scandal. It certainly would be if the situation was reversed...
It MIGHT be if it actually happened..
But, as usual when it comes to things President Trump actually says..
What you HEAR is not what President Trump actually says..
It's nothing but politically bigoted SPIN..
You suffer from PTDS...
President Trump Derangement Syndrome..
What you HEAR... What you INTERPRET... Is NOT what is actually said..
Like Russ, you think that President Trump is actually INVOLVED in all of this..
He's not.. It's ALL Hunter Biden..
And you attempt to drag President Trump into this because you can't handle the facts.. The reality...
Bash,
Answer one question..
If this is all President Trump/Right Wing hype..
*WHY* is Democrat Water Carriers pushing the story???
It was all done and forgotten..
Until the NY TIMES brought it all back up.. Until WaPo furthered it in the mainstream media..
WHY???
You can't answer that rationally and logically...
The rest is your repetitive dodges that you keep repeating but the meat:
The crimes have been well established..
Then what are they?
It MIGHT be if it actually happened..
"She gave him three and half million dollars. So now I would think Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer."
*WHY* is Democrat Water Carriers pushing the story???
Why is the right wing press pretending the NYT and WaPo are reporting something they are not?
DIE HARD 4 LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD was my favorite...
Pulp fiction and The Fifth Element for me but maybe one of the streaming services have Moonlighting for a really young Willis in all his mid 80's glory...
Bash,
Then what are they?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Hunter+Biden+Crimes&sxsrf=APq-WBviwrYVH0CyE-VEWVmPKiSvsJb9LA%3A1648748525373&source=hp&ei=7edFYtC0E5CxqtsPm9u3wAY&iflsig=AHkkrS4AAAAAYkX1_VcdacykxhOT68jp8mmLTxLBGQOr&ved=0ahUKEwiQ37Px8vD2AhWQmGoFHZvtDWgQ4dUDCAk&uact=5&oq=Hunter+Biden+Crimes&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BAgjECc6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToICAAQgAQQsQM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBEKMCOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQowI6CAguEIAEELEDOgsILhCABBCxAxDUAjoICC4QsQMQgwE6CAgAELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBDHARDRAzoOCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QM6BQgAEIAEOgUILhCABDoFCAAQhgNQAFiVHWDxHmgAcAB4AIABlgKIAfoPkgEGMTMuNS4xmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
Why is the right wing press pretending the NYT and WaPo are reporting something they are not?
They're not..
Pulp fiction and The Fifth Element for me but maybe one of the streaming services have Moonlighting for a really young Willis in all his mid 80's glory...
I confess I still haven't seen Pulp Fiction.. I tried to watch it, but it was just so boring..
But I LOVED 5th Element... Bruce Willis at his irreverent finest...
You still haven't answered why, if this is a nothing burger, why are the NY TIMES and WaPo reporting on the story???
And, since I am asking questions that you Democrats can't answer..
Why is it that the majority of Democrats AND Disney employees SUPPORT the Parent's Rights In Education Florida Law???
So, you have to do a proof by google search? Not bowling me over with confidence there...
So, you have to do a proof by google search? Not bowling me over with confidence there...
Since you don't dispute the facts..
Consider yerself bowled over.. :D
Do you HONESTLY believe that Hunter Biden is not being investigated for actual crimes??
Honestly??? :D
No dispute on how the MAJORITY of Democrats in FL support the Parental Rights In Education Law??
I accept your concession.. :D
No dispute on how the MAJORITY of Democrats in FL support the Parental Rights In Education Law??
I accept your concession.. :D
Since the Democrat Party mantra is SILENCE GIVES ASSENT, that is.. :D
Yawn...
Bash,
I accept your concession.. :D
Yer doing a LOT of that these days :D
I get it...
Democrats don't give ya much ta work with... :D
Michale-
Have you thought about going in to concessions as a late life career? You are already distributing them out liberally. You might as well get paid for it...
Nice dodge, Bash... :D
Once again.. I accept your concession.. :D
For those of ya'all who oppose the Parental Rights In Education Law here is FL... Lemme ask you...
Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few???
Once again.. I accept your concession.. :D
Peanuts or beer? I prefer beer...
You and me both.. :D
For those of ya'all who oppose the Parental Rights In Education Law here is FL... Lemme ask you...
Do the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few???
Lemme put it more specifically..
Is it better that ONE child question their gender identity factually...
Or 30 children question their sexuality unwarranted-ly...
Put it more succinctly..
Is it better for ONE child to be frak'ed in the head when he DOES have gender issues... Or better for 30 kids to be frak'ed in the head because they DON'T have gender issues??
Keeping in mind that, with the FL Parental Rights In Education Law, that one kid's PARENTS will be contacted if there is any indication of gender issues and can make appropriate medical decisions if there are an gender dysphoria issues that are present...
Huh???
Do ya'all want to frak up 30 kid's heads on the OFF CHANCE that there is ONE kid that might have gender issues???
Well???
I
Florida’s bill, titled Parental Rights in Education, states that lessons about sexual orientation are banned outright in kindergarten through third grade. Which I assume means pronouns won’t be taught until 4th grade. Can’t teach pronouns without touching on sexual orientation.
The real problem with the bill is that it also prohibits lessons in other grades unless they are "age-appropriate and developmentally appropriate” — vague wording that intentionally allows plaintiffs to claim that they, alone, determine what is “appropriate” for their lil’ babies! The legislation failed to define what should be considered “appropriate” under the law which invites lawsuits against school systems.
It’s as if Republicans want school systems to be spending their budgets on lawsuits instead of on educating the children!
Michale,
Zelensky has given up on NATO membership..If that is true, then Ukraine has already lost and Zelensky should issue an unconditional surrender..Why waste more lives?? Why should more people have to die??
That is not only true now but, it was true before this war started. In fact, it is a truism and has been for more than thirty years.
Which is the quintessential definition of sqandered opportunities and a ridiculously unnecessary war.
I may have mentioned once or twice before that Ukraine will be in the same position it was before the war except that now it will probably have to give up more to end the war than it would have had to give up in negotiations to prevent war. That, and the fact that the lives of millions of Ukrainians wouldn't have had to be upended and lives would not have been lost at the hands of the Russian military.
This does not have to be called surrender, though, not by a long shot ... given the situation that has existed in Ukraine for the last decade. In any event, calling it surrender will not help Ukraine or its people.
Keeping in mind that, with the FL Parental Rights In Education Law, that one kid's PARENTS will be contacted if there is any indication of gender issues and can make appropriate medical decisions if there are an gender dysphoria issues that are present...
No, parents are not to be contacted if their child indicates they are questioning their sexual orientation or gender orientation. That was removed from the legislation that the governor signed. I can only imagine how upsetting it must be for Republicans to lose this suicide inducing portion of the bill.
Russ,
The real problem with the bill is that it also prohibits lessons in other grades unless they are "age-appropriate and developmentally appropriate” — vague wording that intentionally allows plaintiffs to claim that they, alone, determine what is “appropriate” for their lil’ babies! The legislation failed to define what should be considered “appropriate” under the law which invites lawsuits against school systems.
Not factually accurate..
As far as I have read, the FL law only applies to K-3 grades..
Even if what you claim IS factually accurate, why is that a problem??
Do you THINK teachers should have sexual discussions with children when it's NOT age appropriate???
Liz,
This does not have to be called surrender, though, not by a long shot ...
I prefer to call a spade a spade..
Zelensky went to war to uphold the right of Ukraine to self-determination vis a vis NATO membership..
Giving up that right is surrender.. Capitulation... Call it what you will...
But it's not right...
Michale,
Do ya'all want to frak up 30 kid's heads on the OFF CHANCE that there is ONE kid that might have gender issues???
Are you OK with one child committing suicide as long as the other 30 aren’t exposed to something that their parents think would make them “uncomfortable”? I’ve never heard of a single kid being “frak’d up” by these topics being discussed. By all means point to the institution that they are being cared for in so that we can get them help. Or are you talking about the one’s who are “frak’d up” because they tried to come out to you? They were so “frak’d up” that you sent them to a “Pray the Gay Away” center and authorized their physical and mental abuse in order to “save their soul”!
If your son or daughter has the courage to tell you that they are gay and your first thought was to blame the school system for messing with your child’s brain and making them THINK that they are gay… YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
That is not only true now but, it was true before this war started. In fact, it is a truism and has been for more than thirty years.
We'll never know that for sure now will we....
Are you OK with one child committing suicide as long as the other 30 aren’t exposed to something that their parents think would make them “uncomfortable”?
Are you REALLY thinking that a 4 5 or 6 year old will SERIOUSLY contemplate suicide??
Com'on Russ.. Look PAST your Democrat blinders and see REALITY...
I’ve never heard of a single kid being “frak’d up” by these topics being discussed.
You've ALSO never heard of a 5 yr old expressing gender preference...
You would understand more if you were a parent...
Show of hands..
Who here who has ACTUALLY been a parent of a 4, 5 or 6 year old actually THINKS that a child THAT YOUNG has the maturity to actually DECIDE if they want to be a different gender than they were born as...
Yea.... That's what I figgered...
Zelensky went to war to uphold the right of Ukraine to self-determination vis a vis NATO membership..
And, THAT was the biggest mistake of his life!
Which is not "monday morning quarter-backing on my part, either.
I could have lizsplained that to him in for war to be prevented!!!
...in time for war to be prevented.
4,5 or six is too young ... but, 15, 16 or 17 is not too young to have the conversations and make decisions.
In my day.... It was WOBs... "Wearers Of Black"...
Today it's CHOOSE A DIFFERENT GENDER.....
I get it.. It's all about getting attention..
"LOOK AT ME, BABY LOOK AT ME..
I'M BEAUTIFUL, I'M BEAUTIFUL, I'M SOMEBODY..."
-Disco Strangler, THE EAGLES
But what is tolerable in High School is COMPLETELY unacceptable in kindergarten..
There is a REASON why kids aren't allowed to drive until they're 16... Aren't allowed to smoke or have sex or vote until they're 18.. Aren't allowed to drink until they're 21...
And YOU people want them to be able to CHOOSE THEIR GENDER when their FRAKING 5 years old!!!???
Are you people FRAKING INSANE!!!????
We'll never know that for sure now will we....
No, because Biden and his NATO allies made damn sure about that!
4,5 or six is too young ... but, 15, 16 or 17 is not too young to have the conversations and make decisions.
Abso-fraking-loutly!!!
So, yer on board with the FL Parental Rights In Education Law???
}}}}Zelensky went to war to uphold the right of Ukraine to self-determination vis a vis NATO membership..{{{{
And, THAT was the biggest mistake of his life!
Yea, well... Hindsight is always 20/20...
I respect his decision... But if Zelensky wasn't ready to fight and die for it, then yea... It was all a waste of life...
Zelensky will be wise to never take the advice of NATO, in general, or of the US, in partiular because their geopolitical advice is worse than useless, its dangerous and deadly.
Yea, well... Hindsight is always 20/20...
That doesn't apply to me or to my advice here in these threads to Ukraine.
In other words, my foresight was 20/20!
And, I take no pleasure from that reality.
Seriously...
No one here has a PROBLEM with teachers wanting to have sexual discussions with FIVE YEAR OLDS!!????
WOW.... Simply... WOW....
That doesn't apply to me or to my advice here in these threads to Ukraine.
Touche'... I concede the point...
Well, I see someone has bought into DeSantis's propaganda...
Oh, the hysteria. Someone get me my vapors...
Do you THINK teachers should have sexual discussions with children when it's NOT age appropriate???
When I think about adults having age inappropriate conversations, there is no better source than Capt. Roger Oveur from the movie, Airplane!
(Oveur speaking to Joey) “Have you ever seen a grown man naked?…
Joey, do you ever.. hang around the gymnasium?…
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?…
Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?”
These are inappropriate conversations to have with such a young child. But a teenager who seeks out a trusted educator with questions that they do not feel they can ask their parents about… what could be inappropriate when it is the child initiating the conversation? If a child has specific questions or concerns on a subject, how can you say it is not appropriate to have a conversation with them? I’m not talking about a 5yo randomly asking about where babies come from — I’m talking about a kid having wrestled with a question for a long time and finally having the courage to ask it. Do you want a teacher turning away that child out of fear of losing their job if someone else — a person who didn’t see the desperation to talk to someone on the face of the child — does not think the child deserved answers???
Michale,
No one here has a PROBLEM with teachers wanting to have sexual discussions with FIVE YEAR OLDS!!????
Are you saying that there have been teachers in Florida having sexually explicit conversations with their 5 yo students and it has taken Florida this long to do something about it?
No, there are already laws that definitely address such behavior as you are describing! This law would not bring criminal charges against a teacher who did such a thing… but it does allow the parents to sue which would make many teachers hesitant to have completely legal conversations that they would normally trust their best judgement to have.
i don't think there's been an education law in the last thirty years that hasn't ended up making teachers' lives worse.