Second-Class Adulthood
In the political debate over possible restrictions on gun ownership that has followed the massacre in Uvalde, Texas, one idea has popped up which seems pretty reasonable on the face of it: don't let 18-year-olds buy assault rifles -- make them wait until they are 21 instead. But this opens up a much wider debate, one that few are talking about or even considering. Because the trend, over time, seems to be to slowly and incrementally raise the age of being considered an adult from 18 to 21 years old. If you are 18, 19, or 20, you are a sort of second-class adult, allowed to do certain things which could have life-altering consequences, but barred from doing others for another three years. Sooner or later two questions are going to have to be dealt with in a fundamental way, and so far they aren't on a lot of people's radars: "Is this even constitutional?" and: "Should we just raise the age of being considered an adult to 21 for everything?" Doing so would be a lot more legally consistent, but it would also be an enormous change for tens of millions of Americans and would probably not be very politically feasible (to say the least).
Personally, I have long believed that there should only be one age, period. I would come down on the side of it being 18 for various reasons, but I have to admit a rather large personal bias in this belief. I came of age in the 1980s, in what might be called the "MADD Era." Mothers Against Drunk Driving was an incredibly powerful political force back then, and they drew a lot of attention to how leniently the police and justice system treated drunk drivers. Which was admirable, since they were right about a lot of it -- both cops and prosecutors would routinely let repeat offenders off with a slap on the wrist (or even less), back then. Which led to a lot of avoidable carnage, when the very same people got drunk again and went out and killed someone with their vehicle.
One big legislative push from the movement was to raise the drinking age to 21. I was approaching my late teens at the time, so this was rather personal. The state I lived in passed a law, and it cut off about a year before my birthday. So my friends' older siblings were able to drink on their 18th birthday, but the law said I had to wait until my 21st. This seemed monstrously unfair to me -- which, as I said, created my lifelong personal bias on this issue (full disclosure).
Of course, different states had different laws -- it was all in flux, as MADD fought battles in all the statehouses with varying degrees of success. So the state I went to college in allowed beer and wine purchases for those 18 and above, while you had to be 21 to purchase hard liquor. That seemed a reasonable-enough compromise to me, I have to admit.
But the question is a lot wider than just alcohol. Currently, you have to be 21 to buy alcohol, tobacco products, and handguns. Some states have even more restrictive age laws -- for example, California already prohibits anyone under 21 from buying semi-automatic weapons. But nationally, only three things are prohibited (as far as I am aware) until age 21. There are derivative laws as well (such as banning anyone not 21 from entering a bar) that exist because of the alcohol age limit, but there are only really three big things which are prohibited: drinking, smoking, and owning a handgun.
An 18-year-old, on the other hand, gains a wide array of adult rights on his or her birthday. For the first time in their lives, 18-year-olds can (without a parental signature or permission): vote, get married, join the military, buy property, sign any legal contract (which includes all sorts of things, from bank accounts and credit cards to accepting employment and a myriad of others), appear in court (sue someone, legally change your name, etc.), be charged as an adult for a crime, approve any medical procedure they wish (including such things as sex-change operations), and -- currently -- buy long guns, including semi-automatic assault rifles. That's a pretty long list, and it includes one that is explicitly written into the United States Constitution itself (the Twenty-Sixth Amendment gave 18-year-olds the right to vote).
But even though you are able to join the army and go fight (and possibly die) for your country, when you come back home you aren't allowed to have a beer. Or smoke a cigar. You are not considered responsible enough to do so. That is a rather jarring disconnect. And if the age of majority was raised across the board to 21 for everything, the Pentagon might have a harder job recruiting people (assuming it is easier to talk a recent high-school graduate into a military career -- when other job prospects might not seem very solid -- than it would be to talk someone into considering the military after they've been in the workforce for three years).
Politically, there is a big push right now to raise the age limit on buying an assault weapon. This is completely understandable, after recent shootings involving 18-year-olds committing mass murder. But the unanswered question -- even if such a law were passed by the federal government -- is whether or not such a law would be constitutional.
This is already being challenged in the federal courts. There are cases wending their way through the system in which people argue that their Fourteenth Amendment "equal protection" rights are being violated because they are not able to purchase handguns. Or, in a different case, an assault rifle in California. And so far, these plaintiffs have been winning.
They've got a good case to make, since it is pretty obvious that the government treats those 18, 19, and 20 years old differently than it treats those 21 and above. For three years, everyone has to go through a period of second-class adulthood. Constitutionally, the plaintiffs are arguing, this should not be allowed because it is blatant age discrimination. There should be no such thing as a "junior adult" -- you are either still a child who cannot exercise the freedoms and rights of adulthood, or you are not.
If the plaintiffs win in these gun cases, we may soon have a Supreme Court opinion that says such age discrimination for those 18-to-20 is unconstitutional on the face of it. However, in these cases the plaintiffs are arguing for a constitutional right that is explicitly mentioned in the Constitution (in the Second Amendment). Making the case for drinking and smoking might be harder, since the only mention of either in the Constitution is in the two amendments that created and then abolished Prohibition.
So even if politicians were to agree on a new law banning those under 21 from purchasing or legally owning semi-automatic assault rifles, such a law might be very short-lived. It might be struck down within a few years. People should be clear about this in the discussions that are happening right now.
What is problematic is that these laws were passed for good reasons, and they have done a lot of good. Fewer teenagers have died in drunken auto accidents because the legal age to drink was raised. Fewer teens have become addicted to tobacco. These laws benefit society, without question.
But just because a law is good and has a positive benefit doesn't mean it is constitutional. If we as a country do come to the conclusion that those under 21 are too immature to shoulder the responsibilities of being an adult, then the age limit for everything should have to change. And that's going to require a constitutional amendment, since it includes the right to vote.
Politically, it would be a lot harder to pass a ban on all assault rifles or all semi-automatic weapons -- for anyone, no matter their age. It's a lot easier to just raise the entry limit by three years. But no matter how this debate unfolds and no matter what gets put on the president's desk to sign, America still has yet to grapple with the underlying fundamental problem with all "21 and above" laws. Because all of them create a three-year second-class adulthood. The law treats those 18, 19, and 20 differently than those who are older. Which is patently unequal. It is legalized age discrimination, plain and simple.
So no matter what passes Congress in the next few weeks, I will be much more interested in watching those two court cases work their way through the appeals process. Because on the subject of second-class adulthood, the Supreme Court might just have the final say.
-- Chris Weigant
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
Do you want to end the age discrimination against 18-year-olds becoming president?
If you're not ok with 18-20 year olds being second class adults, how can you possibly accept the status of pie as a lesser dessert? For shame!
aw don, we all know you're just bitter at your own venture's failure and jealous of the traction that my pie idea has gotten with the public. it's not too late for you to join, though.
Forget about age ... just ban assault rifles like as already been done in the past.
@liz,
Assault rifles aren't a real category of weapon. If we're going to ban a class of small arms then there should be some logical method of discerning the permissible from the impermissible.
If trump were to regain the presidency he'd probably try to ban assault pies.
Chris
I feel your pain, CW.
But even though you are able to join the army and go fight (and possibly die) for your country, when you come back home you aren't allowed to have a beer. Or smoke a cigar. You are not considered responsible enough to do so.
Imagine the maddening feeling of being held responsible for multiple million dollar armored combat vehicles and instrumentalities of war yet not allowed to purchase alcohol at a Class VI. Nuts.
Your pie comments show no class at all.
I find it a funny long game that is finally bearing fruit, which is good in pie I might add. The fact you can dish it out but not take it is bad enough with rhetoric but dishing out pie and not taking it is just plain wrong...
Joshua,
Yeah, it's the inability to solve simple problems like discerning differences between weapons that make reducing gun violence in the US so difficult, if not impossible.
@bashi,
pie is not a game, it's a very serious strategy for changing society. the documented fact that donald trump is scared of pie, which even CW has now acknowledged, conclusively demonstrates its potential benefit toward making elections more fair.
don just thinks it's about him, because, well, don seems to think pretty much everything is about him. if i thought about it enough to care, i'd probably call this grandiose narcissism, but it's no reason to distract from the greatness of all things pie.
JL
Don, it nice to see you have accepted your failure and learned to live with it...
nypoet22-
Well, you certainly have a vastly better chance of being picked up by the political blogosphere for your pie based reforms than Don does with OD, I'll give you that...
As someone who worked with these age groups(high school and college aged folks) for years, I believe that we should grant 18 yo’s every right of adulthood possible. If they can be held as an adult and face being put to death if found guilty of certain crimes or be drafted to fight wars to defend our country, then by all means they deserve all of the benefits that we grant those who have reached “adulthood”.
It’s only been in the last century that society has stretched what we call “childhood” to include 18 year olds. Think back to WWII and the stories of 17yo “kids” lying and using fake birth certificates in order to join the military and the war effort. 18 year olds were EXPECTED to join the military.
We are not doing anyone any favors by treating 18yo’s as children when it comes to their rights. If your insurance company allows you to keep them as “dependents” on your policy, that’s great.
The federal government has already established 18 years of age as the youngest age a person can face the criminal charges as an adult, putting any limits on what they can do once they are 18 is just ageism.
And ONCE AGAIN, Biden makes remarks that his handlers have to walk back!!
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Biden's Misfire
White House clarifies president's controversial comment on handguns, his stance on potential ban
Biden doesn’t support ban on all handgun sales, White House press secretary says
Karine Jean-Pierre was asked if President Biden would support legislation to 'freeze' gun ownership and buy back assault weapons
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-ban-handgun-white-house
How many more FACTS do ya'all need before ya'all concede that Biden is simply NOT IN CHARGE anymore??
JL,
Assault rifles aren't a real category of weapon. If we're going to ban a class of small arms then there should be some logical method of discerning the permissible from the impermissible.
EXACTLY..
As has been PROVEN beyond ANY DOUBT, the Democrat criteria for banning guns is SOLELY based on the nebulous emotionalism that they "look scary"...
https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/0*PF8Z0s385R9cUIRU
Under a Democrat ban, the top rifle would be banned because it looks "scary". The bottom rifle would be acceptable because it doesn't look "scary"..
This is EXACTLY the entire problem with Democrats and their moronic and hysterical anti-gun agenda..
It is SOLELY and COMPLETELY nothing but hysterical emotionalism without a smidgen of common sense or rational thought..
I posed the question earlier.. Surprise, Surprise, no one answered it...
If Democrats want to ban rifles to those under 21, are they willing to do the same thing for voting??
I mean, if a person 18-20 cannot be trusted to own a rifle, then surely they cannot be trusted to vote...
So... No rifles til 21??? No voting til 21???
Deal??
No?? Ahhh.. That's right.. I forgot.. Democrats REFUSE to compromise on THEIR agenda.. :eyeroll:
Kick,
Once again, you respond!! That is soooo awesome!!! :D
Paid mercenaries and soldiers commit mass murder for wages and are not necessarily mentally ill... just hired to do a job.
Ahhhh.. So US Soldiers don't get paid??
WOW... Things must have changed considerably since I wore the uniform of TWO of our branches of service...
As to the rest.. It's nothing but personal attacks and outright BS and, as such, it is simply going to be not responded to..
You still live in the Weigantia of old where flame wars are the order of the day..
I refuse to return to that sad and best-to-be-forgotten era.. I am mystified why you insist on trying to start flame wars to this day..
Liz,
Forget about age ... just ban assault rifles like as already been done in the past.
The assault rifle ban did absolutely NOTHING to stop gun violence..
There were so many loopholes and grandfather clauses that it was nothing but a paper tiger...
The American people are a lot smarter today then they were back then...
An Assault Rifle ban simply CANNOT work in the here and now because the SOLE criteria for such a ban is "It Looks Scary"...
"These are the facts of the case. And they are undisputed."
-Captain Smilin' Jack Ross, A FEW GOOD MEN
Russ,
As someone who worked with these age groups(high school and college aged folks) for years, I believe that we should grant 18 yo’s every right of adulthood possible. If they can be held as an adult and face being put to death if found guilty of certain crimes or be drafted to fight wars to defend our country, then by all means they deserve all of the benefits that we grant those who have reached “adulthood”.
So, this means you would NOT support raising the age to purchase a rifle to 21??? That you would oppose such a ban???
You surprise me..
"They said a .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out — may be able to get it and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.
So, the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting."
-Joe Biden
Only someone who is senile, dementia-riddled and/or ignorant of firearms would consider a 9mm to be "high caliber"...
How much PROOF do ya'all need before you realize that Joe Biden simply ain't all there?? :^/
the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection,
STOPPING POWER, Joe!!! STOPPING POWER!!
If a 110lb woman has a 275lb scumbag coming at her with shall we say nefarious intentions, Biden can't see ANY "rational basis" for that woman's desire to put said scumbag down, hard and fast...
Again.. MORE FACTUAL proof that Joe Biden is simply not thinking straight..
Tell ya what Joe.. Let's send your wife, Jill (you still remember her, right) into West Garfield Park, Chicago alone with a piddly .22 rifle or handgun..
What are her odds of survival?? :eyeroll:
Once again, this illustrates the problem PERFECTLY about dealing with Democrats on the issue of firearms..
They are out and out IGNORANT of guns.. Period..
Jesse Watters: If you have to remind your staff you're the president, that's a problem
Jesse Watters speaks on the White House leak on President Biden's reported feelings toward his Cabinet
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jesse-watters-remind-staff-president-problem
"I know, right!?"
-Felix, WRECK IT RALPH
And the funny thing is, even after Biden went on this tirade, reminding his staff the HE is President, what happened the VERY NEXT DAY!???
Biden's handlers had to walk back Biden's tirade against "high caliber" :^/ 9mm handguns...
Joe Biden is SIMPLY not in charge anymore..
Biden is a figure-head.. A puppet.. He is handled 24/7...
The FACTS are overwhelmingly conclusive..
And, obviously, ya'all agree...
"Silence gives assent"
-Democrats
:D
"Tonight we're learning there's real anger roaming the halls of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as the president's reportedly fuming and lashing out at his staffers for all of his failures. In a leak to NBC News — the first major leak coming out of this White House besides all the Kamala complaining, Joe Biden is angry, he's frustrated and tired of his staff constantly walking back his comments, saying, quote, "Biden is unhappy about a pattern that has developed inside the West Wing.
He makes a clear and succinct statement only to have aides rush to explain what he actually meant — something else. He argues that he speaks genuinely and is reminding his staff that he is the one who's president. If you have to remind your staff that you're president, that's a problem."
-Jessie Watters
This administration is a cluster-frak of incompetence and malaise...
The facts prove this beyond ANY doubt...
On Monday, I reported that Biden (or Biden's Handlers) refused to send advanced weapons systems to Ukraine..
Biden (or Biden's Handlers) were afraid that they could be used to attack targets in Russia... Which would be seen as an escalation...
Flash forward to today. Biden (or Biden's Handlers) have done a 180 and decided that escalation ain't such a bad thing and is now sending the advanced weapons systems to Ukraine after all..
Given all the other facts of Biden's senility/dementia, it's logical to presume that the FIRST decision was Biden's decision and the follow-up 180 OPPOSITE decision was Biden's Handlers..
Which is simply MORE PROOF that Biden simply ain't in charge anymore..
As if anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together would NEED any more proof, eh? :D
i disagree. the president is ultimately the last word, no matter what his staff says. if he becomes displeased enough with their performance, he can fire them.
also, you're instituting a major double standard here. just a few short years ago, there was a president whose staff routinely ignored his illegal orders. who was that guy again?
wasn't obama...
wasn't bush...
wasn't clinton...
hmmmmmmm.....
Economic Pessimism Growing in U.S.
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Gallup's Economic Confidence Index measured -45 in May, down from -39 in each of the previous two months. It is the lowest reading in Gallup's trend during the coronavirus pandemic, and likely the lowest confidence has been since the tail end of the Great Recession in early 2009.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/393176/economic-pessimism-growing.aspx
Democrats are pushing this country into another recession...
JUST IN TIME for the mid-terms..
It's like Democrats are TRYING to lose hugely!!! :D
What is going ON up in Canada??
Canada to temporarily decriminalize some drug possession to tackle abuse problem
https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/canada-to-temporarily-decriminalize-some-drug-possession-to-tackle-abuse-problem
So, Adolph Trudeau is going to disarm law abiding citizens and then legalize cocaine and fentynal...
What could POSSIBLY go wrong!!?? :eyeroll:
biologically, the human brain is not fully developed until age 25. even back in 1789 when life expectancy was much lower and people didn't know how the brain worked or developed, they didn't let anyone join congress who was younger than 25. coincidence?
the age at which different people are developmentally ready for different things is pretty variable. sometimes the law needs to be one size fits all, but that doesn't mean all 18 year olds are necessarily ready for the responsibility of carrying a firearm around civilians.
basic fairness is not always compatible with human development.
JL
i'm going back to sleep.
i disagree. the president is ultimately the last word, no matter what his staff says.
Except Joe Biden's "last word" is invariably followed by a walk back from his staff...
This has happened WAY TOO MANY TIMES to be anything BUT proof that Joe Biden is not in charge..
Hell, it's been, whaa?? 3 or 4 times in the last couple weeks alone???
Com'on JL.. How do you explain ALL of the multitude of walk-backs???
if he becomes displeased enough with their performance, he can fire them.
Unless he is not really in charge...
You can't fire anyone if you are just a Handle-ee...
also, you're instituting a major double standard here. just a few short years ago, there was a president whose staff routinely ignored his illegal orders. who was that guy again?
Even if it occurred (which it didn't) that's a lot different than PUBLICLY walking back the Biden's words oft time within MINUTES of him uttering the words.. On a WEEKLY basis..
And, com'on!! You can make MANY slams against President Trump.. A few are actually legitimate slams.
But that he was HANDLED???
There are simply NO FACTS to support the outlandish claim that President Trump was handled..
As a matter of fact, MUCH of ya'all's claims about President Trump during his awesome administration was that he was "out of control"...
DEFINITELY not handled in ANY sense of the term...
i'm going back to sleep.
No!!!! I'm lonely!! hehehehe
biologically, the human brain is not fully developed until age 25. even back in 1789 when life expectancy was much lower and people didn't know how the brain worked or developed, they didn't let anyone join congress who was younger than 25. coincidence?
the age at which different people are developmentally ready for different things is pretty variable. sometimes the law needs to be one size fits all, but that doesn't mean all 18 year olds are necessarily ready for the responsibility of carrying a firearm around civilians.
basic fairness is not always compatible with human development.
I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with raising the age of adulthood to 25...
As long as it's applied fairly across the board..
Drinking, Smoking, Driving, Gun Ownership, VOTING, etc etc etc..
NO PROBLEM with that whatsoever..
Of course, if I was UNDER 25, I would likely feel different.. :D
But getting back to the morons up in Canada...
As an aside to Liz, the morons are ya'all's leadership.. Not everyday Canadians..
Anyways, someone explain to me exactly HOW de-criminalizing something would address abuse issues??
I mean, thinking logically and rationally about it, if you decriminalize something, it makes it would EXCACERBATE abuse of said something...
That's a REAL smart idea, Adolph Trudeau...
Decriminalize the drugs so that they can kill MORE people.. :eyeroll:
Joe Biden's administration is coming apart at the seams..
One really has to wonder how it's going to hold together given the Uber Nuclear Biblical Shellacking that Democrats are about to receive..
Why are ya'all so quiet on Biden's abysmal poll numbers??
Ya'all were quite animated when President Trump had those numbers...
Now yer silent when YER guy has those numbers..
"Gee!! I wonder why that is!!?"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR
:D
Michale
NO ONE who knows anything about firearms would think that a 9mm is a "high caliber" weapon..
Correct. It's equally correct that NO ONE who knows anything about firearms would make the asinine claim of an existence of (and I quote) "an automatic rifle at the time of the US Constitution" and supply a link to a 1718 patent of a manually-operated flintlock revolver as proof, but you actually did that in a response to Russ.
Love you, Russ! :)
As I pointed out, .45 is considered a high caliber weapon..
I wouldn't think I would have to explain this to the self-proclaimed Jack Reacher combat Army super cop, but that is *buzzer* incorrect. But don't take my word for it, Jack, take the word of the United States Army that you keep claiming repeatedly you're the "been there and done that" expert:
Small caliber ammunition is .50 caliber and below.
40mm is considered a decent caliber weapon..
That's hysterical. So you think a 40mm caliber weapon is considered "decent," Jack? NO ONE who knows anything about firearms would think that a 40mm caliber weapon is simply "decent" since a 40mm caliber weapon would be a grenade launcher or an anti-aircraft autocannon like a Bofors gun circa World War II. Google it.
I think you might have meant to say that a .40mm caliber weapon is considered decent. I don't agree that it's decent, but then again, what I consider a gun actually requires a 120mm round that weighs about 40 pounds.
9mm??? That's the women's caliber of choice.. Less recoil.. Less kick.. (MUCH less Kick :D)
Keep name checking me in your comments; that way everyone in Weigantia will know for sure who it is that lives rent free in your tiny little head, and you'll also never need wonder why I took the time to respond to your latest hysterical display of obvious ignorance.
Ol Senile/Dementia riddled Biden spews inane fact-less comments once again...
A person of your advanced age would not generally be likely to refer to anyone as "Ol Senile/Dementia riddled" if they also had a tendency to contradict themselves all the time and spew hysterically ridiculous factless comments himself. Just saying. :D
Let's make one thing perfectly clear..
When Democrats claim "The majority of Americans support our policies" they are 1000% full of kaa kaa...
Because Democrats, with media assistance, blatantly LIE to the American people...
"Don't Say Gay" is a PERFECT example of this..
And, once again, Kick proves she is a relic of Weigantian's Flame War past.. :^/
Always trying to bring back the flame wars that she is so at home in..
Sorry, Kick.. Not going to let you drag me down to your pitiful level of flame wars...
That's your bailiwick and yours alone..
Yep, yep, yep..
Once patriotic Americans find out the FACTS about Democrat policies, Americans completely and utterly are against Democrat policies..
Americans found that out the hard way with the Democrat DEFUND, DEMORALIZE, DEMONIZE THE POLICE policies..
Democrat polices simply DO NOT work for America and are Anti-America in the extreme..
Once again, the FACTS win out..
Democrat policy on baby killing is completely unrestricted.. Democrats want to allow the mother to kill her baby up to and including the moment of birth..
I am willing to wager if THAT were polled, if the REALITY of what Democrats actually WANT was polled..
Near 100% of Americans would oppose that Democrat Baby Killing policy...
It's funny how you people went all hysterical about Georgia's Voter Integrity laws.. Ya'all said it was 'Jim Crow 2.0' and there would be a dearth of voters and voting.. There was even an entire Weigantian commentary that stated how bad things were going to be for Georgia...
And yet, when the vote finally happened, there was RECORD VOTER TURNOUT...
Now reality has proven how completely and utterly wrong Democrats were and NOW ya'all are silent about it..
Why is that?? What's so hard about admitting that ya'all were wrong??
Once again, we see a perfect example of Democrat hysteria and emotionalism on the one side....
And the FACTS and the REALITY on the other side that PROVES Democrats are full of kaa kaa...
Now let's turn back to guns..
Once again.. FACTS vs Democrat bullshit..
99.9% of all sales of firearms are background checked AND registered...
And there has NEVER... let me repeat that for those who still drink the Democrat koolaid.... **NEVER** been an instance where that .1% was used in a Crowd Based Mass Shooting...
*** NEVER ***
Ya'all go all hysterical about GOP putting up laws against something that is never done..
And yet, that is *EXACTLY* what ya'all are doing here... Trying to make a law to prevent something that ***NEVER*** happens...
Hypocrisy.. It's not a bug in Democrat programming. It's a feature.
Bona Fide *FACT*...
Democrats DO NOT have the support of the American people on a handgun ban.... PERIOD.. FULL STOP... END TRANS...
And yet, the TOP DEMOCRAT is pushing *EXACTLY* that...
"Let's brass some tacks here."
-Metatron, SUPERNATURAL
The vast majority of Americans DO NOT support Democrat policies on guns..
The vast majority of Americans DO NOT support Democrat policies on voting..
The vast majority of Americans DO NOT support Democrat policies on baby killing..
In short...
The vast majority of Americans DO NOT support Democrat policies.. PERIOD... FULL STOP... END TRANS....
And this FACT will be made PERFECTLY CLEAR to Democrats in 160 days...
I hope ya'all will stick around so we can celebrate that momentous day together.. :D
Don Harris
5
Nypoet-
Fuck off, asshole.
That is some good advice (for you), Don; why don't you perform a demonstration of that for everybody?
Your pie comments show no class at all.
*Buzzer* Incorrect. The pie comments show a restraint that is the epitome of class. Too bad you can't see it and emulate it because you're too busy prattling on and on about your own personal pity party.
You are a scumbag and a coward that just posts bullshit trolling to agitate and add nothing of value to this comments section.
*Buzzer* Incorrect. You are clearly agitated by his comments about (wonderful) pie, and that obviously provides valuable insights for the entire group.
If there was any justice in the world you would be one of the victims of the next mass shooter so at least that time there wouldn't be all innocent victims.
*Buzzer* You are advocating violence in the comments section... a ginormous violation of board rules. Kindly perform the demonstration now. :)
For the GOP....????
Belated Florida map means sunshine in GOP forecast
Republicans could come out of midterms with 20 seats, up from 16 now
https://rollcall.com/2022/05/31/belated-florida-map-means-sunshine-in-gop-forecast/
Everything is coming up roses!!! :D
Democrats are going to be slaughtered in November!! :D
Races rated as SOLID REPUBLICAN in Florida..
1st District (Matt Gaetz, R)
2nd District (Neal Dunn, R)
3rd District (Kat Cammack, R)
4th District (Open; Rutherford, R)
6th District (Michael Waltz, R)
8th District (Bill Posey, R)
11th District (Daniel Webster, R)
12th District (Gus Bilirakis, R)
16th District (Vern Buchanan, R)
17th District (Greg Steube, R)
18th District (Scott Franklin, R)
19th District (Byron Donalds, R)
21st District (Brian Mast, R)
26th District (Mario Diaz-Balart, R)
28th District (Carlos Gimenez, R)
Races rated as SOLID Democrat in Florida..
9th District (Darren Soto, D)
10th District (Open; Val B. Demings, D)
14th District (Kathy Castor, D)
20th District (Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick, D)
22nd District (Lois Frankel, D)
23rd District (Open; Ted Deutch, D)
24th District (Frederica S. Wilson, D)
25th District (Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D)
Florida is a President Trump state.. :D
If you're not ok with 18-20 year olds being second class adults, how can you possibly accept the status of pie as a lesser dessert? For shame!
Because pie *IS* a lesser dessert... :D
Everyone knows that CAKE is better...
Simply in volume alone, cake is bigger.. Therefore better..
Second Amendment was meant to put down slave rebellions, MSNBC guest claims
Media pundits have suggested repealing the Second Amendment
https://www.foxnews.com/media/second-amendment-slave-rebellions-msnbc
Once again, Democrats are spewing ignorant bullshit again..
It must be a day that ends in 'Y'.... :^/
Don Harris
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You pie "idea" has not caught traction with the public because it is not an idea like One Demand is. (This comments section does not count as the public)
If "this comments section does not count as the public," then you really have no need to keep trolling the author to present your idea or continue the constant prattling on and on of yours about your own personal shit to the NOT public.
Your pie comments are just you being an asshole to agitate which makes you a worthless fucking asshole of a troll.
Say there, you're making a really good argument as to why so many of us here in Weigantia (including CW) have referred to you as a troll.
Fuck off.
Your demonstration is eagerly anticipated.
You know what the reaction to your comments will be and you keep doing it to try and make a mockery of this comments section.
You could really do yourself a favor and ponder upon why that statement I've quoted directly above resembles yourself so perfectly... but not before you perform that demonstration for us all.
Get lost you piece of shit.
May we assume that will be included as part of your upcoming demonstration?
What the fuck is wrong with the rest of you that you allow this bullshit from this asshole to go on without speaking up about it?
I won't presume to speak for anybody except Russ -- since he did give me permission, and I love him dearly -- but there is nothing wrong with us that a nice slice of chocolate pie wouldn't cure. As far as your insinuation that we "allow this bullshit from this asshole to go on without speaking up about it," we are not constrained to point out the FACT that we've complained about you on many and multiple occasions.
Now that we've honestly answered your question, you needn't put off that demonstration we're been eagerly awaiting for years. Chop chop, skippy. :)
Elizabeth Miller
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Forget about age ... just ban assault rifles like as already been done in the past.
Exactly! :)
FBI releases new details on police use of force as public grapples with distrust
The agency also recently released additional details on the 73 officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2021 — nearly half of whom did not engage with their assailants before being attacked.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-police-use-of-force-public-distrust
In other words, cops were ambushed and EXECUTED!
Who could have POSSIBLY foreseen that Democrats' DEFUND, DEMORALIZE, DEMONIZE THE POLICE policies would lead to a RECORD number of cops being killed??
Who could have POSSIBLY predicted this!!??
Oh... Wait... :eyeroll:
The blood of THOUSANDS OF COPS are on Democrats' hands..
Liz,
Forget about age ... just ban assault rifles like as already been done in the past.
As has been explained... Democrats cannot even DEFINE "assault rifle" that doesn't include a myriad of other rifles that are legitimately and near exclusively hunting rifles.
It was a different time back then with Biden's Crime Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban etc etc... Even given this fact, the ban had a minimal effect. While crimes and murders with that particular style of weapon, crimes and murders with OTHER weapons increased more than the other crimes and murders declined...
A semi-automatic rifle ban, which is what Democrats are pushing now, simply WILL NOT HAPPEN with a 6-3 AMERICAN SCOTUS...
It's another wet dream of Democrats that WILL NOT come to pass...
It's time to move on...
The simple fact is, humans who are mentally ill and WANT to commit mass murder will find a way to do so..
Taking away one tool will simply cause them to move on to a DIFFERENT tool..
Australia's gun ban proved that beyond ANY doubt..
The ONLY common denominator in these crowd based mass shootings is mental illness..
Until Democrats get off their Privacy kick, the idea that an individual's personal privacy is more important than an innocent life....
These crowd based mass shootings will continue to occur...
I can't make it any plainer than that...
Michale
23
I posed the question earlier.. Surprise, Surprise, no one answered it...
I'm not a Democrat, but I thought it is/was a hysterical question considering it would require a constitutional amendment... as if.
No?? Ahhh.. That's right.. I forgot.. Democrats REFUSE to compromise on THEIR agenda.. :eyeroll:
You also seem to have forgotten that it would require a constitutional amendment that would become valid only when ratified by the legislatures of 38 of 50 states and therefore the idea is basically the equivalent of useless prattling.
Simply in volume alone, cake is bigger.. Therefore better..
Bigger is better? Are you REALLY sure you want to go there? By that rationale the Democratic party is therefore better than the GOP solely due to its size. Retract your big cake comment immediately or accept its rational correlary.
Kick,
Thank you soo much for your response.. It's always awesome to see you name-check me.. :D
Let's me know yer thinking of me.. Awwwww how sweet.. :D
I'm not a Democrat,
A claim as yet unsupported by any facts..
You also seem to have forgotten that it would require a constitutional amendment that would become valid only when ratified by the legislatures of 38 of 50 states and therefore the idea is basically the equivalent of useless prattling.
Much like you Democrats and their "useless prattling" about revoking or altering the 2nd Amendment, eh? :D
So, we are in agreement..
Altering or revoking the 2nd that you and your Democrats push is nothing but useless prattling..
Always nice ta have common ground with ya.. :D
Bigger is better? Are you REALLY sure you want to go there? By that rationale the Democratic party is therefore better than the GOP solely due to its size. Retract your big cake comment immediately or accept its rational correlary.
But *MY* Party (Independent) is bigger and better than Democrats AND Republicans...
:D
Sorry, JL... Cake still wins.. :D
Elon Musk’s Ultimatum to Tesla Execs: Return to the Office or Get Out
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/elon-musks-ultimatum-to-tesla-execs-return-to-the-office-or-get-out/ar-AAXX7HA
What a novel concept..
WORK OR BE FIRED
Democrats should take note of this..
Their "feelings" do not trump jack shit...
The US loves a winner, not a whiner, Joe Biden
We Have a Lonely, Confused & Angry President
https://nypost.com/2022/05/31/the-us-loves-a-winner-not-a-whiner-joe-biden/
That we do Mr Goodwin... That we do... :^/
Get that people??? Joe Biden was "appointed to the Naval Academy out of high school."
A blatantly bullshit lie..
Funny how ya'all seem to be against lies..
Except the lies that DEMOCRATS spew... :eyeroll:
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/AP22084065618235.jpg?quality=75&strip=all
I DID THAT
-Joe Biden
Rx for teens: military stints
Reader Pat Torrance offers an idea about what young Americans need. He writes that it should be mandatory “for boys and girls at age 18 to serve 2 years in the military service of their choice. Your new ‘daddy’ (if you didn’t have one growing up) is your new Drill Sergeant.
“My brothers went in as boys and came out as men! If you love your guns, you will find lots of them in the service. If mental issues arrive, the military is better equipped to handle them.”
Now THERE is an idea worth exploring!
2 years MANDATORY Military service..
THAT will go an infinitely long way to cure the problem of crowd based mass shootings..
Much more so than any tool ban....
Remember when Joe Biden said "Inflation is only transitory!".. :eyeroll:
Biden Unveils Inflation Plan as ‘Transitory’ Rhetoric Haunts White House
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/06/01/biden_unveils_inflation_plan_as_transitory_rhetoric_haunts_white_house_147675.html
Another scroo up from Biden's Handlers... :^/
"For God's sake, {Putin} cannot remain remain in power."
-Joe Biden, 26 Mar 2022
"As much as I disagree with Mr. Putin, and find his actions an outrage, the United States will not try to bring about his ouster in Moscow."
-Joe Biden, 1 Jun 2022
Senility... Dementia... Stone cold incompetence...
That's the Democrat pick for POTUS.. :^/
Apparently, Putin has done much to redeem himself in Joe Biden's eyes.. :^/
Bipartisan discussions on "red flag" laws make progress as Sens. Graham, Blumenthal revise gun control proposal
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-congrol-red-flag-laws-bipartisan-progress-graham-blumenthal/
I support red flag laws as long as there are strict and punishing punitive measures when those laws are fraudulently used..
If a red flag is imposed in good faith, then that's fine..
But if there is ANY red flag law that is imposed and it is determined that the complainant or agency acted in bad faith, then there should be HEFTY fines and HEFTY jail time for the bad faith actors..
Big cake certainly has battered our political system, but it need not always be so. Pie can and will make a difference. 90% of Americans like pie, a figure unmatched by any politician in history. Pie is loved by Joe Biden and feared by Donald Trump, and those are the stone cold facts.
It's high time we all finally give pie the recognition it deserves.
I whole-heartedly support the idea of Red Flag laws, as they are mental health laws and not anti gun laws..
But, as I said.. Any law created should allow for a VIGOROUS defense of the person being red flagged...
There *MUST* be hard and firm protections to prevent the abuse of red flag laws by vindictive "woke" persons and agencies...
In other words, if there is even a HINT of an ulterior motive by persons or agencies, then the red flag case should be dismissed..
Big cake certainly has battered our political system, but it need not always be so. Pie can and will make a difference. 90% of Americans like pie, a figure unmatched by any politician in history.
Statistics show that 90% of all statistics quoted are made up on the spot...
Pie is loved by Joe Biden
Which is a PRIME example of why PIE should be thrown on the trash heap of history...
Pie is nothing but empty calories.. Cake is great tasting and less filling..
Matter of fact, cake has NO pie filling, which is another plus..
Pie is the Edsel of desserts...
Pie is the most American of desserts, and disparagement of it ought to be punishable by pie facials. It's just downright unpatriotic.
Michale
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Once again, you respond!! That is soooo awesome!!! :D
Yes, I am awesome.
Ahhhh.. So US Soldiers don't get paid??
Reading is fundamental. What part of "for wages" is confusing to you? Actually, you're asking a non-serious question that is irrelevant to the discussion.
Let's review:
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You claimed that a person who committed mass murder was "by definition mentally ill" and that my statement quoted above was factually inaccurate. I proved you wrong by giving you multiple examples that matched my descriptions.
We now come to the part of your regular routine wherein you (as usual) hysterically attempt to move the goal posts and/or put words in a commenter's mouth that they never said. You're wasting your time. I proved you were wrong and gave examples.
Mercenaries and soldiers of many nations -- including America -- who commit mass murders of civilians are not necessarily mentally ill. You need me to explain war crimes again, Jack Reacher? Heh. You want more examples? Google it.
Incorrect.
* Xenophobia and religious bigotry aren't mental illnesses.
* Racism isn't a mental illness.
* Misogyny isn't a mental illness.
* Vengeance and revenge aren't mental illnesses.
You don't have to be mentally ill to commit a mass murder involving a hate crime or a war crime.
WOW... Things must have changed considerably since I wore the uniform of TWO of our branches of service...
Everything (still) isn't about you.
As to the rest.. It's nothing but personal attacks and outright BS and, as such, it is simply going to be not responded to..
As for the rest, I proved you were wrong.
You still live in the Weigantia of old where flame wars are the order of the day..
You're still referring to posters as Party slaves. You also accused me of having "lapses" and problems with "reading comprehension" on multiple occasions in the post at issue. You also suggested smugly that JL might explain it to me. You also have claimed that "not wearing the uniform" was the cause of my ignorance (fabricating nonsense on your part and incorrect).
So you can spare all the self-righteous prattling BS because I obviously have no trouble whatsoever comprehending your simple English words; I have that in common with the majority of posters on this forum.
I refuse to return to that sad and best-to-be-forgotten era..
See above.
I am mystified why you insist on trying to start flame wars to this day..
You are mystified about a lot of things and wholly incorrect about a boatload of other things. If you're still referring to commenters as Party slaves and fabricating BS about their "wearing the uniform" and "ignorance" and "lapses" and suggesting that other commenters might explain thigs to them (as if your simple routine needed it), then it shouldn't be mystifying in the least as to why they would respond to you in the same manner.
You insist on a double standard wherein you are free to denigrate ad infinitum for comment after comment, and then you act like a victim if anyone responds in kind. Boo effin' hoo. :D
Awesome that you name checked me again!! :D I love it!! :D
}}}Once again, you respond!! That is soooo awesome!!! :D{{{
Yes, I am awesome.
No, that's not what I said in this instance..
What part of "for wages" is confusing to you? Actually, you're asking a non-serious question that is irrelevant to the discussion.
Many MANY US soldiers are in the service for the money and the job..
I can personally attest to that fact. You cannot...
But they are not mercenaries..
You seem to want to ignore the facts here.. Something you do very prolifically..
The rest is just nothing but more personal attacks which I will not respond to..
You seem to be insistent on bringing back Flame Wars to Weigantia..
I will not be a party to that...
NO MORE FLAME WARS!!
Liz and JL can back me up on that point..
But, by all means.. Continue to name-check me.. It shows me how much I am a part of you.. :D
Pie is the most American of desserts, and disparagement of it ought to be punishable by pie facials. It's just downright unpatriotic.
Pie is UN-AMERICAN.. It is flaky and runny... Just like Democrats..
Cake is firm and upstanding!!
I think an article could well help draw the contrast between pie and cake in the political system. There could of course be other options, such as tortes, croissants, or even the non pastry affiliated. I doubt there would be room for anything unproven or lacking in taste, however.
I really don't think that the animal cracker qualifies as a cracker. Cause it's sweet, which to me suggests cookie, I mean well putting cheese on something is sort of a defining characteristic of what makes a cracker a cracker. I don't know why I thought of that, i just...
-Ben Affleck, ARMAGEDDON
Texas shooter's grandmother told neighbor 'look at what he did to me': report
Celia Gonzales was covered in blood after being shot by Salvador Ramos, neighbor claims
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-shooters-grandmother-salvador-ramos-attack
The scumbag shooter DEFINITELY had some screws loose..
Michale
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And, once again, Kick proves she is a relic of Weigantian's Flame War past.. :^/
Oh, really? That is factually inaccurate AGAIN. Need proof of that? Here you go:
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Your invented fabrications about me (and others) and your repetitive insistence of people's "ignorance" speaks volumes about "Weigantia's Flame War past."
As for FACTS, the FACT is, I just proved you wrong AGAIN with FACTS when you pointed out that ".45 is considered a high caliber weapon.." and I provided a link proving that any ammunition under .50 is considered small caliber. What you are claiming as high caliber actually is considered small caliber. This is basic Army stuff, yet you don't seem to have a grasp of it... AT... ALL.
You should be thanking me for laying to rest all those hysterical repetitive theories of yours about "wearing the uniform." You have to be able to retain knowledge; there's nothing magical about "wearing the uniform" like you seem to keep inferring there is.
You're welcome!
Always trying to bring back the flame wars that she is so at home in..
I'm seeing a pattern developing with you lately wherein when you are proven wrong by FACTS, you are resorting to accusing the commenter of flame wars. It's so cute! Yet equally transparent! :D
Sorry, Kick.. Not going to let you drag me down to your pitiful level of flame wars...
You should be sorry... for all kinds of obvious reasons. That victim routine of yours is hysterical... yet equally transparent. Heh.
That's your bailiwick and yours alone..
Nice try; you gave it your all. Maybe JL will explain it to you.
JL, you want to explain it to him? :D
Once again, I do appreciate the name-check..
Beyond that, try as you might, I am not going to get dragged into another one of your flame-wars..
Just AIN'T gonna happen...
Beyond that, try as you might, I am not going to get dragged into another one of your flame-wars..
I simply WON'T allow it to happen..
@kick,
Michale is doing his solid best to avoid personal attacks, so i don't think it's overstepping to ask you to tone down the snark as well. If the manner of request leaves something to be desired, at least the effort must be lauded. That's how I see it at least.
"You couldn’t buy a cannon when the Second Amendment was passed. You couldn’t go out and purchase a lot of weapons."
-Joe Biden
This claim has been REPEATEDLY debunked as a completely and utterly false claim..
One has to wonder why Biden continues to use this blatantly false talking point..
JL,
In Kick's defense, I have been a tad snarky myself..
I will endeavor to be a little more understanding of her feelings..
Iran could have 4 ‘crude’ nukes in 3 months – think tank
“With this quantity, an enrichment level of 60% suffices to create a relatively compact nuclear explosive," Albright said.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-708286
Good job, Joe Biden and Democrats.. :eyeroll:
@m,
How about it, if cw okays a guest column would you be willing to faithfully debate with me the merits of insurgent pie versus the big cake hegemony? I think we can at least agree that desserts are baked into the American political process, and any attempt to make some sort of joke out of it is completely tasteless and inaccurate.
Michale
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Thank you soo much for your response.. It's always awesome to see you name-check me.. :D
Direct responses to comments versus just being name checked by somebody in the middle of a post that isn't in response to one of their comments are two slightly different things, but you're welcome anyway. Yes, I am still awesome!
Let's me know yer thinking of me.. Awwwww how sweet.. :D
As I said, a response to your comments versus the name checking in a post that isn't a direct response to me personally (like you did on the post at issue) are slightly different. If I talk about you outside of a response to you, that is more of a name check versus a response to your incorrect propaganda/information.
A claim as yet unsupported by any facts..
*Buzzer* Incorrect AGAIN. Your forgetfulness is a feature and a bug. Heh. As I've explained before, including links:
When a person registers to vote in Texas, they do not register with any kind of party affiliation.
This is (still) basic stuff. Texas (still) has open primaries too.
Much like you Democrats and their "useless prattling" about revoking or altering the 2nd Amendment, eh? :D
I'm (still) not a Democrat, and I've heard of no Democrats that are actually prattling on and on incessantly regarding repealing any of the amendments contained in the Bill of Rights. You don't have to alter anything in the Second Amendment to enact gun safety measures; anyone making that claim is either misinformed or lying or both.
The prattling I've heard recently that concerns the Bill of Rights is regarding Ron DeSantis and his failed attempts to control social media:
So, we are in agreement..
I'd say that's a longshot.
Altering or revoking the 2nd that you and your Democrats push is nothing but useless prattling..
I'm not a Democrat; anyone on this forum continuing to assert repeatedly that I am at this point in time is either:
(1) new to the comments section
(2) willfully ignorant of facts
(3) unable to retain repetitive concepts
(4) bereft of a genuine argument so falls back repeatedly on that lie
(5) most of the above
(6) I'm sure there are more
Always nice ta have common ground with ya.. :D
(7) Disingenuous. :)
When a person registers to vote in Texas, they do not register with any kind of party affiliation.
If that is true then your Party affiliation is determined by how you vote..
And you have made it clear you ALWAYS vote Democrat..
Ergo, you are a Democrat...
Your own claims prove that beyond any doubt..
Thanx for making that clear to all.. :D
But I DO find it interesting that you are going to such lengths to try and show me you are NOT a Democrat.. That you are so insistent on dis-avowing your Democrat Bona Fides..
It's like you AGREE with me that being a Democrat and voting Democrat is BAD... :D
That's great that we can find common ground...
I hope we can continue such fruitful discussions.. It's awesome!! :D
SUPREME COURT CLERKS REPORTEDLY CONSIDER LAWYERING UP AS ROE LEAK PROBE ESCALATES
Discussions about seeking outside counsel come as clerks may have to turn over cell phone records, as the hunt for Politico’s source intensifies.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/supreme-court-clerks-roe-leak-probe
Sotomayor's Clerk (or even Sotomayor herslef) must be sweating bullets right now.. :D
JL,
I would be happy to debate you on this..
But one thing to keep in mind..
Do we have Birthday Pies?? Do we have Wedding Pies?? Of course not.. We have Birthday CAKES... We have Wedding CAKES...
ANY event of any significance is celebrated with CAKE...
Pie is the red-headed step-child of the dessert world.. Tolerated, but never really welcome..
The first cakes were very different from what we eat today. They were more bread-like and sweetened with honey. Nuts and dried fruits were often added. According to the food historians, the ancient Egyptians (2700 - 1100 B.C.E) were the first culture to show evidence of advanced baking skills.
Now PIE, on th other hand, is a relative newcomer..
In medieval England, they were called pyes, and instead of being predominantly sweet, they were most often filled with meat — beef, lamb, wild duck, magpie pigeon — spiced with pepper, currants or dates.
Bleech... Pies are the WORST!!!
Los Angeles Chevron gas station charging over $8 a gallon
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/chevron-responds-la-gas-station-charging-8-a-gallon
Poor poor Democrat run California.... :^/
Don,
WTF?
Answer: My Poker Stars handle! :) But, I don't play anymore, not since they changed the format and it is no longer any fun. Ahem.
The acronym actually stood for, ah, Win The Future. Remember that short-lived Obama/Biden adminstration slogan? Heh.
Michale,
Here are some facts for your information, Re.:
British Columbia Makes Changes To Its Drug Policy
I hope that isn't behind a paywall, 'cause I'm outta time at present to condense it down for you...
B.C. to decriminalize possession of small amounts of ‘hard’ drugs such as cocaine, fentanyl and heroin
It's still as I said it was..
Lazy people don't want to put effort into enforcing the law, so they decriminalize instead..
Making illegal drugs legal doesn't do SQUAT to solve any addition problems..
It exacerbates them..
Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann found not guilty of lying to FBI, in blow to Durham investigation
WAIT…I seem to remember Michale making all sort of comments regarding this case being a slam dunk against Hillary and her campaign… but the FACT is he was found NOT GUILTY!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics/sussmann-verdict/index.html
Old news, Russ...
I already explained exactly how this happened..
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2022/05/30/from-the-archives-memorial-day-for-flu-victims-3/#comment-193212
It wasn't for naught, however.. It's been established on the record that Hillary was the architect of ya'all's Russia Collusion delusion..
And Durham is FAR from done.. :D
But it's still nice to know that I still have such a large space in your head.. :D
99.9% of all sales of firearms are background checked AND registered...
And there has NEVER... let me repeat that for those who still drink the Democrat koolaid.... **NEVER** been an instance where that .1% was used in a Crowd Based Mass Shooting...
*** NEVER ***
Ya'all go all hysterical about GOP putting up laws against something that is never done..
And yet, that is *EXACTLY* what ya'all are doing here... Trying to make a law to prevent something that ***NEVER*** happens...
So in conclusion… all of your excuses that banning certain guns won’t prevent criminals from using them is bogus!
But thanks for admitting that Florida’s “anti-grooming law” (that you already admitted doesn’t say or do anything about grooming) is a law meant to prevent something that NEVER HAPPENS!
So in conclusion… all of your excuses that banning certain guns won’t prevent criminals from using them is bogus!
But thanks for admitting that Florida’s “anti-grooming law” (that you already admitted doesn’t say or do anything about grooming) is a law meant to prevent something that NEVER HAPPENS!
Of course, I never conceded nothing of the sort..
I simply pointed out that THAT is what YOU are claiming..
Michale,
Making small amounts of some hard drugs illegal is killing people. So those laws aren't working, either. Time for something different. We'll see how it goes.
This has nothing to do with "lazy" law enforcement officials. :(
Michale
65
Elon Musk’s Ultimatum to Tesla Execs: Return to the Office or Get Out
The owner makes the rules, does he not? This ain't rocket science, is it? If Musk wants the Tesla CEOs to return to the office and work in-house versus continuing to work from home, he dang sure gets to make that determination.
What a novel concept..
WORK OR BE FIRED
More like "return to work in-house" or be fired, but yeah, owners all across America are the ones who call the balls and strikes at their privately owned ventures (within legal confines), as is their right.
Democrats should take note of this..
Democrats! I would wager without a scintilla of hesitation that the vast majority of Tesla's fat-cat CEOs are Republicans, and it's hysterical how you somehow manage to twist every headline into a rant about Democrats without even a hint of an attempt on your part to connect the ginormous honking dots. Heh.
Their "feelings" do not trump jack shit...
I know, right! Exactly like those righty sniveling whining wingnuts still butthurt over decisions by Jack Dorsey and "the media" regarding what they'll report. No privately owned company was required to run Rudy Giuliani's bullshit Hunter Biden unverifiable story being shopped around just before the election that even the Fox News regular anchors wouldn't run because it smelled like "same shit, different day" election interference involving conspiracy (again) with foreign agents in yet another attempt to smear his political opponents in violation of multiple federal statutes including FARA.
Too damn bad, Righties! It is hysterical to watch their repetitive whining sniveling shedding of tears, but that "privately owned knife" cuts all kinds of ways notwithstanding their incessant pissy fits and pathetic attempts to enact laws that undermine the freedom of privately owned companies in America.
So, to recap:
Righty sniveling rants also will NOT "trump jack shit" no matter how much they collectively snivel and cry in their perpetual grievance and whining victimhood! :D
Michale
71
Senility... Dementia... Stone cold incompetence...
Sounds like the big loser, former President Donald Trump.
That's the Democrat pick for POTUS.. :^/
The "pick"? Unpossible!
You assured us all in 1000+ whiny comment boxes that Biden was toast! :D
nypoet22
74
Pie can and will make a difference. 90% of Americans like pie, a figure unmatched by any politician in history.
It's undeniable. I'm enjoying a slice of wonderful chocolate pie right now!
Pie is loved by Joe Biden and feared by Donald Trump, and those are the stone cold facts.
With an ass like Trump's, who wouldn't fear all manner of various sweets?
It's high time we all finally give pie the recognition it deserves.
I have respect for pie! :)
Don Harris
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Nypoet, Bashi, Kick-
What's this? Do I hear a faint whining coming from Jersey?
The pie trolling is not working for you.
Your incessant whining and potty mouth stand in direct contradiction to this ridiculous assertion of yours. Duh.
It was designed to marginalize me and in your demented minds marginalize One Demand because you can't make a rational argument against One Demand.
You think pie was designed to marginalize you? Narcissist much!? I am not constrained to point out that your failed attempts at political activism needed no one's help in order to fail... it already had you.
It was designed to make this place unpleasant for me to try to get me to leave.
Stay, leave, who really gives a shit? I will say, if I was the poster who hands down had cornered the Weigantian market on trolling for attention, I am quite certain I wouldn't deign to criticize others... lest I wished to shine a ginormous honking klieg light on my own obviously pathetic modus operandi.
And I am not leaving.
Then suck it up and quit whining like an effing victim over pie and learn to deal with pie, pie, pie, pie, pie, pie, Baked Alaska, and/or pie.
But as the rest of you can violate the rules by trolling, lying and dodging then there is no reason I should have to obey the rules on my behavior.
Rules? Whose rules? Your rules? You can take your rules and stick them right square into your pie hole.
I am not trolling the author.
If the author says you are a trolling troll (and he did), you don't get to claim you're "not trolling." Those are the rules of Pie Club.
I am providing my opinion as in CW's mission statement where he says he relies on commenters to get him back on track when he is not living up to the rest of his mission statement which says that he will inform citizens about ideas like One Demand and respect the opinions of all commenters. CW ignoring me is not respecting my opinions.
We are providing our opinion of pie, and you can shove your opinions right square into that pie whole of yours if you don't like our comments.
The trolling by the rest of you is like Lucy pulling the football away when Charlie Brown attempts to kick it.
Your complaints about trolling is like Pigpen whining about somebody travelling in his own personal dust cloud.
I put up with it remaining within the rules while the rest of you continue to ignore the rules repeatedly to give you a chance to do the right thing but you all continued to pull the football away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ
Same old song
Just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do
Crumbles to the ground though we refuse to see
Dust in the Wind
Typical cult behavior from the assholes that comment here.
So you're saying you're an "asshole"?
But please prove me wrong.
Been there, done that: Hard pass from me and Russ on that one. :D
nypoet22
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Michale is doing his solid best to avoid personal attacks, so i don't think it's overstepping to ask you to tone down the snark as well.
Michale is doing his "solid best"!?
If his "solid best" is to continue to refer to commenters as a "Party slave" and to accuse a commenter of having "lapses" and "reading comprehension issues" and to smugly claim that maybe JL will explain something to me, and continuing to just outright fabricate bullshit about the military service of others and the constant willful ignorance and fabrications about the political Party affiliation of others, then you can ask me to tone it down until the cows come home, and I'll respond in kind to his regular stale and unvaried routine.
If the manner of request leaves something to be desired, at least the effort must be lauded.
The effort? Must be lauded? Maybe it seems that way to you because he doesn't refer to you as a "Party slave" and continue to invent fabrications about you and put words in your mouth that you never said and invent fabrications about your Party affiliation and military service and continue to talk down to you smugly like a misogynistic prig would do.
Maybe Elizabeth Miller will explain it to you. Yes, kidding.
That's how I see it at least.
Why wouldn't you? He licks your ass (as per his usual) while continuing to personally insult myself and others in the same regular fashion he always has.
Michale
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Awesome that you name checked me again!! :D I love it!! :D
Yes, I'm still awesome.
No, that's not what I said in this instance..
Proving beyond doubt that you're not the only one who can twist around the words of others.
Many MANY US soldiers are in the service for the money and the job..
You still need "for wages" explained to you? Your attempt to obfuscate the debate and move the goal posts is hereby met with a big "NOT RELEVANT." It's not relevant to the discussion wherein you keep claiming that all mass murderers are "by definition mentally ill." Nice try, though. *shakes head*
I can personally attest to that fact. You cannot...
You're fabricating AGAIN, and I would especially like to thank you ever so much for being one of the millions of taxpayers who will pay for my TRICARE medical insurance for the remainder of my life. Thank you!
As we've discussed before, you don't have TRICARE because your career wasn't lengthy enough to earn that benefit. Tough break for short timers... such are the perils of those who've spent more time talking about their military service than the actual time they spent in the service.
You seem to want to ignore the facts here..
Said the guy who INVENTS facts about others. :D
But back to the debate versus the pathetic attempts at goal post moving:
Those who commit mass murders are not necessarily "by definition mentally ill." Some of them are racists, xenophobes, mercenaries, soldiers, terrorists, etc.
Racism isn't mental illness.
Vengeance/revenge isn't mental illness.
Mass murder for wages isn't mental illness.
Religious bigotry isn't mental illness.
Some people who commit mass shootings aren't mentally ill. Those are the facts! :D
Michale
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In Kick's defense, I have been a tad snarky myself..
Correct.
I will endeavor to be a little more understanding of her feelings..
Having spent decades chewing up fabricating hotshot self-righteous so-called "patriots" on a right regular basis, I can assure you my "feelings" are just fine. :)
Heh.
Michale
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If that is true then your Party affiliation is determined by how you vote..
Then you ARE a Republican!
And you have made it clear you ALWAYS vote Democrat..
No, I have not. No, I do not. Do you ever stop fabricating things about others that you know nothing about? Rhetorical question.
Ergo, you are a Democrat...
Ergo, you are full of shit up to your eyeballs. :D
But I DO find it interesting that you are going to such lengths to try and show me you are NOT a Democrat.. That you are so insistent on dis-avowing your Democrat Bona Fides..
Not surprisingly, you are confusing my responses to your repetitive and incessant LIES and fabrications about me personally with me going to "such lenghts." If you could stop yourself from the constant LYING and FABRICATING obsessions and LIES about me personally, there would naturally be no need to respond. This ain't rocket science.
It's like you AGREE with me that being a Democrat and voting Democrat is BAD... :D
No... it's like you're obsessed with LYING and making up BULLSHIT about me personally ALL THE TIME... therefore it's just indicative of your regular routine that rarely varies wherein you MAKE SHIT UP about others (same as always) and then whine like a victim if anyone responds in kind.
That's great that we can find common ground...
Disingenuous... same LIES, different day.
I hope we can continue such fruitful discussions..
Your LYING routine isn't fruitful. It's the same old LYING drivel and spew that is indicative of your regular routine of making up BULLSHIT. You can't seem to stop yourself from obsessing about me personally and just repeating your LIES. Then you will whine like a toddler and claim you're being victimized if I respond. Lather, rinse, repeat. Same shit... different day.
You seem incapable of stopping yourself from lying about me personally. If you're going to continue to go to "such lengths" to LIE, then it shouldn't surprise anyone if I continue to correct your obvious and never-ending LIES. If only you could actually stop yourself versus just the obvious and transparent pretending you've stopped. :)
I dunno, Kick ... that sounds an awful lot like your feelings have been ruffled ...
I think if you tried as hard as Michale has been trying, life in Weigantia would be much improved!
Don Harris
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Honest question: Do you seriously NOT have a clue how stupid you sound?
You seem infinitely upset that posters won't discuss your bullshit... as if it's somehow a requirement that we hash and rehash your personal crusade over and over ad nauseam. Get a clue, Don. :)
Was that necessary?
ListenWhenYouHear
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Unpossible, Russ! Weren't we assured they would be locking her up... THIS TIME!?
Also, when Michael Flynn lies to the FBI, it is a "process crime." When Michael Sussmann is accused of doing the same thing, it is LOCK UP HILLARY AND ALL DEMOCRATS!
We tried to warn the Righties about this, did we not, Russ? That it was a single count of lying to the FBI and nothing more, nothing to get lathered up about. It was a weak bullshit case to begin with, and Durham knew it. The right-wingnut propaganda machine blew it up and wound them all up... AGAIN... just like always. It's a shame they keep falling for the right-wingnut propaganda fantasies, but here we are.
Love you, Russ! :)
Elizabeth Miller
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I dunno, Kick ...
Yes, you are correct; you don't know.
that sounds an awful lot like your feelings have been ruffled ...
Then it's something you're reading into it that isn't there, Elizabeth. It's the same stale routine of his, Elizabeth; after thousands of times of seeing it performed day in and day out on myself and other posters, I find it odd that anyone who reads this comments section would actually believe it could ruffle anybody here. Calling out the repetitive routine for what it is should not be construed as meaning it could ruffle anybody.
It's really no different than Don Harris's regular routine, and I cannot fathom how anyone who's seen that repetitive type posting over and over ad nauseam would allow themselves to be "ruffled" by it. Seen it once; seen it a thousand times... and just calling it out for what it is. #SSDD
:)
Elizabeth Miller
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I think if you tried as hard as Michale has been trying, life in Weigantia would be much improved!
Like I said to JL, why wouldn't you? He licks your ass. Tosses out all the performative "I won't stoop" bullshit and meanwhile never stopped the routine of his, tossing out the same old disparaging terms like "Party slave" and continuing the same old stale routine of obsessing about me personally and just outright fabricating bullshit about other posters personally...
AND he knows he's doing this; he's neither dumb nor blind. He's just not doing it to you personally the way he continues to do it to others, and I will definitely be responding accordingly. If he continues the LYING and disparaging routine of discussing me personally versus debating political issues (same shit, different day), I will be calling "balls and strikes" on it every time. The double-standard routine ain't happening with me. It's that simple. :)
You could do better, Kick ... JL and I know that you have it in you.
I have learned not to take things personally so long ago that it just comes naturally, now. Maybe it will for you before too long as well.
Well, that and I just can't help myself, you know. :)
Anyways, I love ya, Kick!
Elizabeth Miller
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Was that necessary?
Considering Don told JL and Michale they were "being fucking asshole scumbags" and "go fuck yourselves" and then called them "pieces of shit that are responsible for people dying" and then he got redundant (as he does) and again called them "asshole scumbags" and asked the whole of Weigantia: "What the fuck is wrong with all of you that you cannot be anything but be assholes?" Lastly, he told them to "man up or shut up and fuck off." As if.
Don seems to be under the perpetual mistaken impression that the author and commenters on this blog are somehow required to give lip service to his personal bullshit, and when we all refuse and no one will discuss it... because "been there, done that,"... he cannot stop himself from posting multiple filthy rants and desperate cries for the attention he believes he is owed, which is patently absurd and laughable on its face.
So, yes, that was definitely necessary.
It's not often that one will find a chance to defend the whole of Weigantia, including Michale (name check) so if you don't like that I did it, I can assure you that I'll do it again the first opportunity that presents itself.
Do you think Don will answer my question asking if he knows how stupid he sounds? Probably not since I've long since refused to discuss his "demands" and have no plans to ever discuss that bullshit again in the future. Me and CW have that in common. :)
[Elizabeth Miller
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I have learned not to take things personally so long ago that it just comes naturally, now. Maybe it will for you before too long as well.
You and JL are fine with the double standard. Like I said, why wouldn't you be? Whereas, I'll call it out for exactly what it is every time and make no apologies in the doing it. :)
Elizabeth Miller
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Well, that and I just can't help myself, you know. :)
Heh.
Anyways, I love ya, Kick!
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The feeling is mutual. :)
That reminds me of a PRiSM album sleeve!
Which album sleeve?
If you're reading old threads, link me to it, please. I'd like to see it. :)
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Guys. Get a room.