Waiting For The Show To Start
I am reminded, listening to all the hype and buzz building about tonight's House January 6th Select Committee's nationally-televised primetime hearing, of the lyrics of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's "Karn Evil 9" ("Come inside the show's about to start / Guaranteed to blow your head apart"). But maybe that's just me.
For once, though (progressive rock references aside), the show that we'll all see tonight may actually live up to its billing. Because for once, Democrats are approaching it with professional help in presenting their findings as a narrative. This is more important than you might think.
Many books have been written about Democrats' general failure to present their political positions in narrative form. It is a longstanding problem for them, which is why whenever they get a standout storyteller they tend to do a lot better (Barack Obama and Bill Clinton both immediately spring to mind). In today's Democratic Party, the best current politicians in terms of presenting their agenda as a narrative would likely be Senator Elizabeth Warren and Representative Katie Porter (and her whiteboard). They cut through all the nonsense and legalisms and politics and tell the story in plain and relatable terms that virtually any American family can not only immediately grasp, but usually agree with.
Democrats have tried to rise to the occasion and present their case as a narrative before, as they indeed attempted to do in both impeachments of Donald Trump (to varying degrees of success), and in the first public hearing the January 6th committee held (with four police officers who were attacked that day telling their own stories). At times it made for gripping television, and at other times not.
The January 6th committee is about to begin telling their complete story. What everyone's wondering as we wait for the show to start is how well the committee will present the storyline. This time there will be no countering nonsense or loud table-banging or conspiracy theories, since there will be no firebrand Republicans who have but one goal -- to be so rude and outrageous that they get themselves on the evening news. Kevin McCarthy tried to pack the committee with such hotheads, but Nancy Pelosi wisely declined. If the Republicans had been serious about participating, they would have allowed the nonpartisan commission idea to have become reality, but they shut that down. This left Pelosi with one option -- to create a House committee that she had full control over. This wasn't Pelosi's fault, it was Republicans who didn't want any investigation who forced her hand. So she made the decision not to allow people (many of whom may be implicated) such as Jim Jordan to spout nonsense and wave his arms around.
The absence of such grandstanders will be obvious, notable, and refreshing -- at least for anyone who has had to witness what I am referring to in any other House committee hearing. There will be two Republicans on the committee -- Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger -- and both can be expected to have prominent roles in the questioning. Cheney, in particular, should be very effective.
There will be another big change in tonight's hearing, one assumes. It was reported that the committee has engaged the services of James Goldston, former president of ABC News who ran both Good Morning America and Nightline, to advise them on their presentation. With any luck, this will mean the presentation will be both informative and dramatic, which will be crucial since this is merely the first of these hearings this month. If it is presented as a little mini-series that draws viewers back in for each episode with compelling television, that will help the committee get its message out to more people.
Viewership is the big question, of course, because it is a way to measure the possible impact of the hearings. This really goes beyond viewership, of course, because even those who don't sit through each hearing as it happens live may still find it hard to avoid the conversation it may spur, both in the political punditry world and in the realm of the late-night comedian. Some late-night shows have already announced they will do their own shows live after the hearings, which should reach a whole different audience.
Tonight's hearing will likely be an overview of sorts, presenting the entire narrative from beginning to end but in abbreviated fashion. Then they will likely spend some time focusing in closer on one aspect of the coup attempt, while leaving other aspects for future episodes. The committee will likely focus tonight on the right-wing groups involved in the conspiracy, from what they have been indicating. Also promised for opening night will be clips of both Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner's testimony (they won't appear live, just videos of their previous testimony). Nothing like a little star power to boost ratings.
The committee has a mountain of exhibits they could present. They've interviewed over 1,000 people, and gotten over 100,000 documents in response to their investigation. Some of these people will appear live tonight, some of the testimony will appear from recordings, and we have also been promised new never-before-seen videos of the day of the attack itself. With an experienced television pro advising them, hopefully the committee will present all of this in a narrative that will prove to be television worth watching, even for those only casually interested in politics.
The biggest theme the committee needs to stress, throughout all of this, is not only presenting the full and unexpurgated storyline of what happened in the buildup to the day of the attack, on the day of the attack, and in the aftermath; but also pointing out the fact that this effort never stopped. There are still people plotting to steal not the 2020 election, but the next elections America holds. They are doing so using 2020 as a template, mostly by trying to weaken or remove all the guardrails that prevented it from actually happening in 2020. This is an ongoing effort. And there's only one way to stop them from outright stealing the 2024 presidential race, and that is for Congress to update the rules dictating how the Electoral College acts and how Congress counts their votes. This cannot be allowed to happen again. Our democracy should not hang in the balance of whether the vice president obeys his oath to the Constitution or decides to go rogue. That is unacceptable. This is a very important case to make, and it is the answer to all the Republican whining about how: "nobody cares, we should all move on, nothing to see here."
Yes, America does deserve to know what happened in the worst attack on the U.S. Capitol since 1814, and the attempt to subvert our constitutional democracy and the peaceful transfer of presidential power. We deserve to know exactly how involved the former president was in this plot. We deserve to know exactly who did what, and who stood around watching television instead of doing anything. We are owed that, as a nation. But we are also owed the promise that it will never happen again, presented with a clear plan to avoid it even being contemplated.
Both of those are compelling narratives. They are good storylines to tell. And the committee was wise enough to enlist some professional help in how to present such a story to the public in a way that they will watch and keep coming back to see more. The more successful the committee is at storytelling tonight, the more people will tune in both this time and in the following weeks. To those that ask whether this will change any minds, I would reply: "Who cares?" It's not about changing minds, it is about telling the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth. Because that is the only way to defeat the Big Lie that the Republican Party has embraced at its very core. Our democracy hangs in the balance.
[Technical Footnote: For those who have no idea what I am referring to in that first paragraph, here are the lyrics (complete, to all the various parts) of the ELP song I cited. And as a bonus, in case you've never seen it, here is Part 1 and Part 2 of the most amazing performance by a high school musical group I have ever seen in my life. It comes from the Poteet High School Percussion Ensemble (from Mesquite, Texas), and both parts cover the entire Karn Evil 9 suite. The singer does an awesome job and the percussion is amazing. You're welcome.]
-- Chris Weigant
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I heard Adam Kinsinger say that there was fraud in the 2020 presidential election, just not quite enough to impact the outcome, so ... guess he wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He deserves a pie.
It seems like the purpose of this public hearing tonight is to demonstrate that Trump is at the centre of the conspiracy to overthrow a secure and fair presidential election. Seriously? Who is the committee hoping to convince?
CW-
Great video by some talented kids, brought forth some fond memories of the 1977 ELP tour that I was able to catch on 2 dates, both shows were identical down to the moment that Carl Palmer peeled off his t-shirt to the howls of the female attendees. There was an intermission and as the spotlights came back up there was an enormous "computer" on stage about 8 feet tall that was emitting the familiar "teedle-leedle-leedle" opener to part 2. Then a circular platform arose from under the stage with the 3 boys illuminated, quickly rushing to their positions and going into "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends" and blew the top off the place. Thanks for the memory jolt and for all your fine works.
Karn Evil 9 - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
...all the Impressions!
Steedo[2],
Very nice!
Chris,
Thanks for posting that high school percussion ensemble! If you don't post this Sunday Night, I will! :-)
Ah, yes...and ah, YES!
Caught them a couple times in the late 70s and ELP along with Yes are two bands as good if not better live as on their meticulously crafted studio albums.
(resisting the compulsion to post Trilogy for the umpteenth time)
Dude! Plug your own work! Or for that matter, tease something new on the topic. Maybe a publisher is reading...
Oh, heck yeah! And Part 1 automatically flows into Part 2.
Well worth it!
FPC
...If you believe that i have some pie I'd like to sell you.
Behz pih-ROE-hah,
Bood LAHS-kah!
[7]
We Left Coastians take Liberalism to the max.
Seriously! For one thing we i smoke the world's finest bud. And as such, sometimes we ferget...
basic stuff.
FPC
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So, Michale. Your Fox News has been forever claiming that the J6C hearings are a politically motivated witch hunt. I'm sure you watched this evening's First Hearing on Fox, with Fox fact checkers and analysis debunking the Committee's presentation, point by point. At last, expose this big nothingburger for what it is!
Won't you be a Dear and please summarize Fox News wisdom for Weigantia? I watched the MSNBC live stream myself.
My first impressions [all quotes approximate]:
They clearly took your advice Chris Weigant, and the TV pro(s) seem to have helped them proffer up a compelling, accessible, informative yet concise narrative of J6C. Should have, IMO, hired the Lincoln Project people, but whatever.
Of course there was Committee speechifying, but as prepared remarks go they weren't nearly as pontifical and grandstanding as is the norm. Production values were good-plus.
And we didn't have partisan sniping we had bipartisan behavior that's something else very much different from the usual committee behavior.
Benny Thompson opened (meh) and gave it to Rep. Liz "Definitely Not Switched at Birth" Cheney, who laid it down to her Repug enablers, Donald Trump will go, but your dishonor will remain. Ouch.
When establishing that everybody and their dog told Trump that there is no evidence of fraud they included video of testimony from Ivanka (who looked terrified. As though she was actually visualizing just how popular a pretty white thing like she would be among her fellow inmates.) ;D
And Jared looked like…looked like…er, like he was on Angel Dust? Never seen eyes so big on that boy!
[Not that I would have any personal experience with Angel Dust. Ahem.]
Anyways, it was interesting to observe their respective reactions to their video taped come to Jesus moment under Oath!;P Hard to imagine Tricia Nixon turning on her Daddy like that. *sigh*
Biggest surprise reveal(s)?
*I think the meeting of the Path Keepers and the Proud Boys the night of January 5th combined with the fact that at least the Proud Boys were already walking to the Capitol before Trump even started speaking.
*This wasn't a rally that got out of hand. Not with scores (or hundreds?) of Patriots wearing tactical gear and just coincidentally carrying Bear spray with them and just happening to wait for Trump's mob to show up while they circled the Capitol gathering intel and breaching the Capitol in stack formation.
*Proud Boy membership tripled after Trump's December 19th "Will be wild!" Call to arms tweet. Go figure.
*That the 25th Amendment may have briefly invoked and in effect: Trump wouldn't call in the military while Pence did!?!
All in all, it was worth breaking out the Orville Reddenbacher for this one.
So, Michale.
How well did Fox do dismantling the whole J6C speil, nothingburger by nothingburger? With FACTS?
They must have simply eviscerated the whole premise, amirite?
So here's the part where CW posts a reaction to J6C column and my note taking and Work product will be lost in the sands of time...
*sigh*
FPC
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nypoet22 wrote,
My biggest gripe about Republicans who pooh-pooh the j6c and claim that it's too partisan is that they're the ones most responsible for it being that way. If they had voted for it, there would have been a FULLY bipartisan special committee from both houses, with a mandatory end date last December!
if when that failed, Republicans had simply appointed some sane congresscritters who weren't also material witnesses, nearly half the committee would still be Republican and sympathetic to the former president.
I believe the Repugs deliberately scotched these various chances to participate in the J6C because they didn't want to be in the same hemisphere as any and all evidence such an investigation would reveal.
Some of them are co-conspirators, after all.
I mean, of course, besides the House Repugs who, having just fled for their lives from ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse then nonetheless voted to aid and comfort to #TrumpsBigLie.
[12]
In short,
I laughed!
I cried!
...I loved it!
I missed the first handful of minutes of Thompson's opening statement and, upon further review, I'd have to upgrade him a notch or two above meh. He laid a big, complicated picture in plain language. All while walking a fine line between ho hum and hysterical.
He mentioned that we'd hear from all of the Committee members and I'll wager the Democrats will backload their TV talent for maximum effect. I'd like to think that the two Impeachments taught the Dems as much as eight years of low-intensity war with the Rooskies taught the Ukrainians.
Slava Ukrayina!
Don't everybody all weigh in or nothing...
Cain't hang no more.
Over to you Michale aka Mr. Nothingburger Destroyer.
MC,
I must agree! It's not an actual word but rather it's a political slogan.
Damn, MC!! That's a helluva awesome statement!!
Kudos..
Yeah, I think I can get behind this idea, too.
OK, so that's 3 of us...
Actually, now that I think about it... With a couple of exceptions, Weigantians are pretty reasonable and intelligent people..
So, there would likely be a goodly support here in Weigantia for making gun safety lessons a mandatory part of school curriculum..
But I stand by my assertion that the Democrat Party as a whole would likely go ape-shit crazy at the mention of it..
So, Michale. Your Fox News has been forever claiming that the J6C hearings are a politically motivated witch hunt.
As has many other outlets..
The facts PROVE beyond *ANY* doubt that it is a politically motivated witch hunt...
If it weren't, then the committee would ALSO explore the incompetence and malfeasance by Democrats..
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCP-Jan6AfterActionReportandRecommendations6-4-21.pdf
The fact that THIS aspect of the 6 Jan protest proves beyond ANY doubt that this is nothing but a political witch hunt..
The vast majority of Americans agree with that assessment..
It's a nothing burger, MC.. On the par with ya'all's Russia Collusion delusion...
Kick,
Thanx for the all the name-checks!! It warms the cockles of my heart to know that I am always on yer mind.. :D
And thanks soo much for your awesome response!!
Another person who was actually a soldier in the United States Army seeming to agree that an "assault rifle" doesn't exist. Wow. :)
Yep.. That's because SOLDIERS actually know the facts regarding firearm nomenclature and such..
Oh, sure.. You can surely find ignorant types who throw the term "assault rifle" around here or there.. Thanks to the media/political hype, "assault rifle" has become something of a popular political slogan, as MC put it so damn well..
But anyone who uses the term in conjunction with a serious discussion on firearms is simply showing the world how actually ignorant they are when it comes to firearms..
OR
Or they are pushing a political agenda...
But hay... Thanx for the contribution here!! It's always nice when you come back to Weigantia!! :D
Jean Luc,
So that's three weigantians out of three so far in favor of mandatory firearm safety curriculum, perhaps part of the phys-ed department like sex-ed. We should run Congress!
Yea, after thinking it thru, I was likely unfair to Weigantians over this issue...
I would now be willing to wager that the majority of Weigantians who weigh in would support mandatory firearm safety classes in high school...
POLL
Would You Support Mandatory Firearm Safety Classes For High School Juniors and Seniors??
YES / NO
Elaborate as you see fit...
Liz,
It seems like the purpose of this public hearing tonight is to demonstrate that Trump is at the centre of the conspiracy to overthrow a secure and fair presidential election. Seriously? Who is the committee hoping to convince?
EXACTLY...
The kangaroo J6C has one goal and one goal only..
To make it legally impossible for President Trump to run in 2024...
That will, obviously, never happen because the FACTS don't support it..
So, Plan B for the J6C.....
"That rhymes, Marge!! That rhymes and you know it!!"
-Homer Simpson
.... will be to make it, public opinion wise, impossible for President Trump to run in 2024..
That has an even LESS chance of happening than Plan A...
MC
I'm sure you watched this evening's First Hearing on Fox, with Fox fact checkers and analysis debunking the Committee's presentation, point by point. At last, expose this big nothingburger for what it is!
Won't you be a Dear and please summarize Fox News wisdom for Weigantia?
With the exception of football season, I haven't watched network/cable TV in over 20 years...
I watched the MSNBC live stream myself.
Of course you did.. :D
Cuz MSNBC is KNOWN for their unbiased, objective and factual reporting, eh? :eyeroll:
How well did Fox do dismantling the whole J6C speil, nothingburger by nothingburger? With FACTS?
They must have simply eviscerated the whole premise, amirite?
I am sure they did..
After all the J6C **BY DEFINITION** is nothing but a Hollywood production..
This is well documented as fact..
MC,
I mean, of course, besides the House Repugs who, having just fled for their lives from ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse then nonetheless voted to aid and comfort to #TrumpsBigLie.
As opposed to Stacey Abrams and her BIG LIE...
Funny how yer so obsessed with President Trump and ignore Abrams and her BIG LIE..
Why is that, MC??
MC,
I'll wager the Democrats will backload their TV talent for maximum effect.
Of course.. If you don't have the facts, then TV talent is the way to go... :^/
There is an old lawyer theorem...
If the law is against you, argue the facts.
If the facts are against you, argue the law..
And if you are a Democrat and BOTH are against you, hire a Hollywood production team and spin a yarn of bullshit..
:eyeroll:
MC,
I'll pose the same question to you that I posed to others..
“I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”
-Chuck Schumer
On Weds, a man armed with a gun, a knife and zip ties was arrested mere feet from Justice Kavanaugh's residence. After being arrested, the scumbag stated that his goal was to assassinate Justice Kavanaugh.. The scumbag stated that such an act would "give his life meaning"...
Is Chuck Schumer responsible for this scumbag assassin-wannabe's actions??
It's not about changing minds, it is about telling the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth.
Yes, it is..
It IS about telling the Democrat TRUTH...
But the American people are interested in FACTS, not Democrat truth...
And by making the J6C, BY DEFINITION, nothing but a Hollywood Production, the FACTS clearly show that Democrats aren't interested in FACTS...
Democrats are only interested in their "truth"...
And the American people are clearly not interested in Democrat truth and have weighed in that this is nothing but a political witch hunt and it's time to move on..
A PERFECT example of FACTS over Democrat "truth"..
These are the *FACTS* of the 6 Jan protests...
Democrats are responsible pure and simple..
"The Capitol Police timeline shows what we have been saying for the last year — that DOD support via the National Guard was refused by the House and Senate sergeant at arms, who report to Pelosi.
Now we have it in their own writing, days before Jan. 6. And despite the FBI warning of potential for serious disturbance, no perimeter was established, no agents put on the street, and no fence put up."
-Defense Secretary Chief Of Staff Kash Patel
The FACTS clearly show that Pelosi was at the center of the incompetence and malfeasance of the leadership response to the 6 Jan protests.
The fact that the 6JC made a POINT to state that NONE of that will be looked at by the 6JC *PROVES* that the 6JC is nothing but a political witch hunt..
A witch hunt whose SOLE goal is to try and prevent President Trump from running in 2024..
And, like everything else Democrats have tried to accomplish in the last 18 months.....
It's destined for FAILURE...
It's ironic..
Democrats are so hysterical to address an attack on one of our political institution...
Yet Democrats IGNORE and CONTRIBUTE to an attack and an assassination attempt on ANOTHER of our political institutions..
Thereby PROVING beyond ANY doubt that the 6JC is *NOTHING* but a political witch hunt to obtain a political goal and has absolutely NO factual or reality based basis whatsoever..
The title of this commentary is dead on balls accurate..
This IS a show...
A Hollywood produced show that has ZERO facts to support it...
The ONLY real question of the day..
Assassination Plot: Will the Biden White House Finally Condemn Doxxing Supreme Court Justices?
From all indications. Biden's Handlers and Democrats are simply ignoring the assassination attempt on SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh..
"Gee! I wonder why that is!!??"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR
Unless one tries really REALLY hard, it's impossible to miss the irony here..
If there had been an assassination attempt on Kagan or Breyer or Sotomayor by some pro-gun/pro-life lunatic after Republican groups DOX'ed the liberal Justices, it would be the lead story IN DEPTH by every Leftist Media outlet in the country..
Thereby proving once again..
Hypocrisy... It's not a bug in Democrat programming. It's a feature...
OK... I'll turn over the mic to anyone else who wants to speak... :D
Michale,
To make it legally impossible for President Trump to run in 2024...That will, obviously, never happen because the FACTS don't support it..
More proof that facts are NOT what you are about, sadly.
Joshua[7],
Dude! Plug your own work! Or for that matter, tease something new on the topic. Maybe a publisher is reading...
Indeed!
I refer to that little gem often ...
More proof that facts are NOT what you are about, sadly.
Facts to support?? :D
Apologies, Liz... I do have one link today..
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1534879638039810054
This is just sad and painful to watch..
This is ya'all's President..
He's the dementia-ridden uncle that people say, "How can his family let him embarrass himself like this???"
Speaking of the dementia ridden uncle..
Wow. Biden's approval rating is under 50% among Black voters in new Quinnipiac poll. 24% among Hispanics, 22% among 18-34 yr olds. The only two groups giving him majority approval: Dems and college-educated whites.
Approval rating ***UNDER 50%*** amongst black Americans...
OK Getting back on topic..
More proof that facts are NOT what you are about, sadly.
Dems know the Jan. 6 hearings won't help in November. They're leaning in anyway.
House control is unlikely to hinge on the select committee's findings. And lawmakers who want to stop Donald Trump in 2024 are thinking bigger.
And yet, *FACTS* are what I am ALL about...
Democrats know that there is simply no chance in hell they are going to keep Congress after the mid-terms..
Ergo, the ONLY reason to continue the 6JC is to further their PTDS on the slim-to-none hope that it may influence President Trump's decision to run in 2024..
Now, if you have any facts that disproves this logical and rational conclusion....???
"Well, I am all ears..."
-Ross Perot, 1992 Presidential Debates
Again, look at the facts..
Regardless what happens at the 6JC hearings, Democrats are toast after the mid-terms and they know it..
Regardless what happens at the 6JC hearings, Liz Cheney is toast after the mid-terms and she knows it..
The ONLY thing driving the 6JC is Trump/America hate...
The facts are conclusive...
You're right, Michale - Trump hates America. That much is crystal clear and we don't need a J6 committee to tell us that.
Except that's not what I said..
And such nonsense is really beneath you, Liz..
Allow me to dumb it down..
The ONLY thing driving the 6JC is Democrats' Trump/America hate...
:eyeroll:
You misinterpret me all the time, so ...
You don't think he hates America?
Well, he acts like he does very much hate America.
Michale,
Save your eyes!
It's all about marketing and theater...
There are no real facts to support ANY of the claims of the Democrats and their Trump/America hate..
And what's even MORE relevant is that the vast majority of Americans simply don't care anymore..
It's old news very poorly disguised as relevant..
How do we know??
Because something that IS current and something that IS relevant and something that IS a brutal attack on an institution of democracy is being completely and utterly ignored by Democrats..
I, of course, am speaking of the attempted assassination of a SCOTUS Justice...
Something that has been completely ignored by Democrats and Weigantians in today's commentary...
So, please.. Don't insult my intelligence by claiming something that happened over a year and a half ago somehow, someway has bearing on the here and now..
It's NOTHING but a political witch hunt. FULL STOP... END TRANS...
You don't think he hates America?
Of course President Trump doesn't hate America..
He did so much good for America while President.. All the time fighting hysterical Democrats 24/7...
Imagine how much good President Trump could have done if Democrats worked WITH President Trump for the good of America...
Well, he acts like he does very much hate America.
That's an opinion borne of hatred of President Trump and has absolutely NO FACTS to support..
Now let me ask you..
A man gave 80 BILLION Dollars of top of the line American military hardware to TERRORISTS..
A man's total and complete incompetence got 13 brave American troops killed.
Does THAT man "love America"??
Facts would indicate that "NO"... That man does not love America..
It will be IMPOSSIBLE for Democrats to tie President Trump to the actions of the rioters on 6 Jan...
"Any attempt to do so is futile because it just ain't so..."
-Tom Cruise, A FEW GOOD MEN
“I wonder if Chuck Schumer is still proud of personally threatening Supreme Court Justices now that people with guns are showing up at their houses to kill them.”
-Senator Josh Hawley
The silence from Democrats is deafening...
Jan. 6 Bombshell: Schumer team received FBI intel about possible violence, frontline cops didn't
Capitol Police executive's email tipoff to Schumer aide night before riot raises concerns in Congress that politics put over security.
The 6JC flat out REFUSED to entertain ANY other facts beyond what supported their own BS...
Once again.. MORE proof that the 6JC is simply another in a long line of Democrat witch hunts..
No different than the Russia Collusion Delusion..
I certainly hope that person's actions were not related to Schumer's speech. Hawley, however, has no business criticizing anyone else for inciting anything.
http://mfccfl.us/6JC.jpg
:D
JL,
Just as Democrats have no business criticizing anyone else for inciting anything..
Woke up at 0502 Left Coast Time.
What a magic enchanting time of day! It's the best lighting of the day, hands down. I can see why you're up at 0400 Florida Man Time, Dude.
Ya got some amusing stuff there, Michale. I'ma deal with my caffeine addiction and chew it over...
[Best beware if I proceed to spit it out :D]
No lie was harmed during any spitting out of falsehoods that may occur in this Permalink.
Hawley, however, has no business criticizing anyone else for inciting anything.
22+ years (collectively) of BLM and Anti-Fa riots and attacks on HUNDREDS of government buildings all over the country..
No, Democrats have NO moral authority to bitch about GOP'ers inciting ANYTHING..
What a magic enchanting time of day! It's the best lighting of the day, hands down. I can see why you're up at 0400 Florida Man Time, Dude.
Even MORE so these days.. Wife is visiting her sister in Texas.. So I am on my own for two weeks..
I am counting on ya'all to help me thru... :D
And I mean no disrespect whatsoever by Florida Man, K? You got to own it, you got to love it, you gotta be Loud and Proud of this catchy* FLA-phraseology.
After all, I'm a Loud and Proud Libtard living in the clouds over the land of fruits, nuts and flakes. And home of the best looking women in planet earth, with the possible exception of what I saw in Odessa, Ukraine c.2001.
*Would You rather be known as America's Flaccid Penis Man?
I rest my case.
Be grateful. ;)
"There can be no offense where none is taken."
-Sarek of Vulcan
@m,
you're painting with a very broad brush over there. if you indicated specific democrats who have incited violence, i'd be inclined to agree. but i'm a democrat, and i'm quite confident in my own standing to criticize public officials for inciting violence.
And the witness will address this Court as Judge or Your Honor. I'm quite certain I've earned it. Take your seat, Colonel.
judge randolph, a few good men
Is Chuck Schumer responsible for this scumbag assassin-wannabe's actions??
First off, considering he said it in 2020 and you left out his walk back the next day:
"They didn't come out the way I intended to," the senator said in 2020. "My point was that there would be political consequences—political consequences—for President Trump and Senate Republicans if the Supreme Court, with the newly confirmed justices, stripped away a woman's right to choose."
I would say highly unlikely.
As for "assassin", why are you parroting the fox news hamming up of the guy? An assassin is a professional, this dude called himself in. He is a nutter with a gun, which after the school shooting I thought you had no problem with and just needed some more mental health services that you refuse to pay for...
stated otherwise, josh hawley himself participated in the incitement of the january 6th riots, so i'm not surprised at all that he's trying to change the subject to someone's conduct other than his own.
Would You Support Mandatory Firearm Safety Classes For High School Juniors and Seniors??
No. I would support elective where feasible but not mandatory. One of the big problems with guns is the urban/rural divide. Guns are not as useful and a much greater liability in an urban environment and ownership is much lower. I'm down to a single firearm mainly because I lived in San Francisco for a while and the nearest outdoor range is a good hour drive. I don't think there is even a indoor pistol range in the city limits. That makes gun safety classes where shooting a real gun as part of the class not feasible. I would expect the same in many large cities.
Jean Luc,
you're painting with a very broad brush over there. if you indicated specific democrats who have incited violence, i'd be inclined to agree. but i'm a democrat, and i'm quite confident in my own standing to criticize public officials for inciting violence.
Fair enough.. However in my defense broad brush painting is not exclusively my failing.
I'll amend my claim to say that the Democrat Party as a whole has no moral authority to speak to incitement, while acknowledging there are exceptions..
And the witness will address this Court as Judge or Your Honor. I'm quite certain I've earned it. Take your seat, Colonel.
judge randolph, a few good men
Excellent.. :D
Bashi,
As for "assassin", why are you parroting the fox news hamming up of the guy? An assassin is a professional,
Not factually accurate..
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a murderer of an important person in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons.
So this guy was an assassin wannabe
Not factually accurate..
Which the inverse law of Michale proves me correct...
He neither murdered nor failed at murdering. He called himself into the police with both his thoughts, that he did not act on, of killing the justice and suicide. He was a crazy nutter not an assassin. Now if you can prove he was whacked out on hashish, that might be different...
Bashi,
No. I would support elective where feasible but not mandatory. One of the big problems with guns is the urban/rural divide. Guns are not as useful and a much greater liability in an urban environment and ownership is much lower. I'm down to a single firearm mainly because I lived in San Francisco for a while and the nearest outdoor range is a good hour drive. I don't think there is even a indoor pistol range in the city limits. That makes gun safety classes where shooting a real gun as part of the class not feasible. I would expect the same in many large cities.
Excellent points..
stated otherwise, josh hawley himself participated in the incitement of the january 6th riots,
Example.... ?????
@bashi,
Specific curriculum could be determined by the local district. One wouldn't necessarily have to fire a gun to pass a class in gun safety, any more than one has to have sex to pass by sex-ed.
Meh, I do not subscribe to the Dolores Umbridge school of firearm safety. They need to fire real guns, or don't bother...
Bashi,
None of which is relevant that he TRIED to assassinate a SCOTUS Justice..
The fact that he failed does not diminish that it WAS an assassination attempt..
I realize WHY you want to pooh-pooh this.. I even predicted it..
But it doesn't change the facts..
The scumbag is charged with attempted murder..
A murder of a government official for political purposes IS an assassination..
Well see with the actual verdict of the courts...
Well see with the actual verdict of the courts...
Funny how ya'all don't wait when it has to do with President Trump, eh? :D
"I just find that funny... But ya'all ain't laughin'.."
-James Edwards, MEN IN BLACK
@bashi,
the goal is not to teach students how to shoot, it's to teach them how to be safe. there could be non-functioning pistols to demonstrate, just like the proverbial cucumber or banana to practice condom use.
MC,
*Would You rather be known as America's Flaccid Penis Man?
You reading my medical records?? :D
If ANYONE has any doubts that the SOLE reason for the 6JC is to bring down President Trump..
Key takeaways from the first Jan. 6 hearing: It's all about Trump
Behind the production was a message: Trump fed the lie that the election was stolen, stoked anger among his supporters and then did nothing as they stormed the Capitol.
Ya can put those doubts to rest....
just like the proverbial cucumber or banana to practice condom use.
Well, thanx for THAT mental picture..
NOT....
'Ruth Sent Us' group hinted at targeting Supreme Court Justice Barrett's children, church
Group gave details on Barrett's routine, her children's school and family's spiritual life
Comments??? :^/
THE ORVILLE IS BACK!!!!!!!
Why was I not informed of this!!!!!!???????
Jan. 6 hearings: Rep. Scott Perry calls claim he sought Trump pardon a 'soulless lie'
Rep. Scott Perry responded to a claim made by Rep. Liz Cheney during a Jan. 6 committee hearing
It's clear to all that the premiere of Hollywood's J6C Hearings was a complete and utter dud....
Totally fell flat..
The worst Hollywood premier since GIGLI....
The worst Hollywood premier since GIGLI....
And, make no mistake...
The 6JC hearing was nothing but a Hollywood premiere...
Biden yet to speak on alleged Kavanaugh assassination attempt, 2 days after arrest
Biden made no mention of the arrest during remarks on inflation Friday afternoon
An attempted assassination on a SCOTUS Justice...
Biden's Handlers???
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Nuttin' but crickets...
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1534879638039810054
This is just sad and painful to watch..
I showed this to my boss' wife at work...
Her exact response??
"Where is his wife!?? Why isn't she protecting him from this!!???"
This is elderly abuse... Pure and simple...
Behind the production was a message: Trump fed the lie that the election was stolen, stoked anger among his supporters and then did nothing as they stormed the Capitol.
Is any part of that statement false? It may not be sexy but it's accurate.
OK... We have GOT to do something about Captain Pike's hair..
He looks like an older version of Johnny Bravo....
:eyeroll:
http://mfccfl.us/hair.jpg
Is any part of that statement false?
The fact that the election was stolen is NOT a lie..
At WORST, it's an opinion..
An opinion supported by NUMEROUS facts...
stoked anger among his supporters
As Democrats do ALL the time.. So much so that it lead to the attempted assassination of a SCOTUS Justice...
Stoking anger is not a crime..
and then did nothing as they stormed the Capitol.
Not factually accurate.. President Trump TRIED to have the National Guard deployed to prevent this occurrence..
But Pelosi and Schumer nixed that...
An opinion supported by NUMEROUS facts...
And which "facts" would those be?
Is any part of that statement false? It may not be sexy but it's accurate.
So, does this mean you concede that the 6JC hearings are about taking down President Trump and nothing else??
That the 6JC is simply Russia Collusion Delusion Redux???
And which "facts" would those be?
Zuckerbucks..
Hunter Biden's Laptop
If either of those events had not transpired, the righteous and proper election results would have been the result.
Turley on 'Kilmeade Show': Jan. 6 committee 'not even trying' to look like a true investigation
Constitutional scholar says hearing lacked authenticity without more Republican members
It's a political witch hunt... Pure and simple...
This is going to come back and bite Democrats' on the arse..
JUST like the Russia Collusion delusion..
You would think Democrats would learn... :eyeroll:
I have to say.. I like SNW's Nurse Chapel...
Majel Barrett Roddenberry (may she rest in peace) was always so ... wooden and lifeless as Nurse Chapel...
Jess Bush's Nurse Chapel is a LOT more fun...
I like her...
Zuckerbucks..
Hunter Biden's Laptop
So, none at all?
I mean do have anything on the Zuckerberg donations beyond NYPost conspiracy theories?
And has the Laptop been confirmed beyond the NYT article that used "appears" that all the right wing stories eventually go back to?
The facts regarding Zuckerbucks have been well established.
As has the FACT that, had Hunter Biden's laptop been reported factually, it would have cause Joe Biden to lose the election..
I understand why you won't acknowledge these facts..
But your acknowledgement is not required..
If either of those incidents of fraud not happened, President Trump would still be President..
This is documented fact..
Documented by LEFT WING outlets such as NY Times and WaPo...
The facts regarding Zuckerbucks have been well established.
Well, you certainly use the words "well established" often enough but nothing behind them?
I understand why you won't acknowledge these facts..
Because you have not provided anything backing them up?
Some reason you are dancing around these issues rather than proving these "documented fact"s?
providing
The current STAR TREK SNW...
A thorough and unequivocal indictment of the Democrat Party way of life...
Well, you certainly use the words "well established" often enough but nothing behind them?
There are none so blind as those who will not see..
But I understand your ignorance.. Since I don't provide links to the facts..
Because you have not provided anything backing them up?
Because I have been asked NOT to..
Some reason you are dancing around these issues rather than proving these "documented fact"s?
Talk to Liz about that...
:eyeroll:
There are none so blind as those who will not see..
Since I don't provide links to the facts..
Then why post it in the first place if you can't back it up (for whatever reason)? Wouldn't that also be covered by "Talk to Liz about that..."?
Then why post it in the first place if you can't back it up
I *CAN* back it up with facts..
I have just been asked NOT to...
And, since I am a nice guy and all, I acquiesce to the request from a friend..
But the facts are there.. You KNOW they are there.. You simply refuse to accept the facts...
So, your willful ignorance is on you, not me..
I don't do the nudge nudge wink wink. Either you have the facts or you don't. In this instance, you don't.
I don't do the nudge nudge wink wink. Either you have the facts or you don't. In this instance, you don't.
Nope.. I do..
No, you don't...
Michale
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Thanx for the all the name-checks!! It warms the cockles of my heart to know that I am always on yer mind.. :D
I see you are still (not surprisingly) confusing responses to your posts with name checks. You are definitely NOT always on my mind.
And thanks soo much for your awesome response!!
I am definitely awesome.
Yep.. That's because SOLDIERS actually know the facts regarding firearm nomenclature and such..
You seem eager to prove beyond doubt you weren't actually a real SOLDIER, and to that I respond: "Proceed, governor."
Oh, sure.. You can surely find ignorant types who throw the term "assault rifle" around here or there.. Thanks to the media/political hype, "assault rifle" has become something of a popular political slogan, as MC put it so damn well..
You seem eager to prove beyond doubt you weren't actually a real SOLDIER because if you were, you'd obviously already know that "assault rifle" is an Army term that goes way (way) back and wasn't and isn't considered political by real SOLDIERS trained to use them.
But anyone who uses the term in conjunction with a serious discussion on firearms is simply showing the world how actually ignorant they are when it comes to firearms..
So you're saying you consider your repetitive incorrect statements regarding the subject to be a "serious discussion on firearms." I'm telling you for a FACT that those millions of SOLDIERS who've trained to use multiple different types of assault rifles would definitely label you as the "actually ignorant" (your term) "political hype" (also your term).
Or they are pushing a political agenda...
One would obviously be pushing a "political agenda" to keep claiming over and over repeatedly that there's no such thing as an "assault rifle."
Department of the Army Operator's Manual for AK-47 Assault Rifle
Anyone telling you that there's no such thing as an assault rifle is definitely exercising the false regurgitation of political spew. If the very political pro-gun nuts of the NRA are aware of the existence of a true assault rifle, I'd say it definitely wouldn't hurt a thing for somebody who claims otherwise to take the time to educate themselves regarding the FACTS.
No one reading this should confuse me explaining the existence of an assault rifle with the utter nonsensical notion that I'm making the claim that an AR-15 meets the definition; it definitely does not. :)
Michale
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Yea, after thinking it thru, I was likely unfair to Weigantians over this issue...
I agree you were unfair to Weigantians regarding the firearms issue. Perhaps you might learn something from your epiphany here and endeavor to do more of that "thinking it thru" before posting. :D
Michale
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POLL
Would You Support Mandatory Firearm Safety Classes For High School Juniors and Seniors??
YES
If mental midgets like Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick are going to allow permitless carry of AR15s by teenagers -- after promising to do everything in their power to ensure something like the El Paso massacre would never happen again -- the very least they could do is to require mandatory high school/somewhere/anywhere training. :)
Michale
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The ONLY real question of the day..
Assassination Plot: Will the Biden White House Finally Condemn Doxxing Supreme Court Justices?
It's obviously transparent why you would (again) spend multiple comments boxes repeating the same thing over and over in an attempt to hijack the comments section and change the discussion to one more to your liking.
From all indications. Biden's Handlers and Democrats are simply ignoring the assassination attempt on SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh..
"Gee! I wonder why that is!!??"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR
^^^ EDIT ^^^
From all indications. Biden's Handlers and Democrats are simply ignoring the assassination attempt on SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh..
"Gee! I wonder why that is!!??"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR
Nah. You're just flailing miserably at your attempt to hijack the subject of Chris's discussion. :)
POLL
Would You Support Mandatory Firearm Safety Classes For High School Juniors and Seniors??
YES / NO
Elaborate as you see fit...
NO. First and foremost, there is not enough information on the subject to be more than a 20 hour class…and that is really stretching out the class time, honestly!
Two, we already provide this info to students; it’s called ROTC.
OK... We have GOT to do something about Captain Pike's hair..
He looks like an older version of Johnny Bravo....
OMG, we are definitely in agreement on this! Incredible series thus far. If you haven’t watched this weeks Ready Room, you are going to want to as it says a lot about all the new shows.
Russ,
Two, we already provide this info to students; it’s called ROTC.
Serious question here..
I was on the ROTC rifle team in my high school.. circa 1980 (DAWN OF THE NEW DECADE)...
Is ROTC still being offer'ed???
I would have thought with the Left Wing slant of education and the Democrat hate of the military, that it would have gone the way of the SROs...
OMG, we are definitely in agreement on this! Incredible series thus far. If you haven’t watched this weeks Ready Room, you are going to want to as it says a lot about all the new shows.
If you mean Ep 06, yea, just finished it..
It was great Trek.....
But that hair is just GOT to go!!! :D
Now... ON to The Orville!!! :D
Michale
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Serious question here..
I was on the ROTC rifle team in my high school.. circa 1980 (DAWN OF THE NEW DECADE)...
Is ROTC still being offer'ed???
In high school it's JROTC. In college, it's ROTC. :)
Michale,
The most important fact in support of Trump being an America hater is how he always pits one group of Americans (his supporters) against all other Americans (everyone else).
This tells me that he doesn't love his country. He only "loves" his fellow countrymen and women if they agree with him and support him and tell him how wonderful he is and how awful everyone else is.
He didn't do this JUST as part of his campaign for the presidency or JUST when he was president. He is divisive to the extreme ALL THE TIME.
The only thing Trump loves is Donald Trump and golf. Everything else is a passing fancy at best.
BashiBazouk
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The only thing Trump loves is Donald Trump and golf. Everything else is a passing fancy at best.
Did you perchance inadvertently omit Trump's love of money... particularly his love of OPM (other people's money) and his love of screwing them out of it?
Is ROTC still being offer'ed???
I would have thought with the Left Wing slant of education and the Democrat hate of the military, that it would have gone the way of the SROs...
Not sure what you are suggesting seeing how SROs are still in schools all over the country. JROTC is still offered in some school systems around the country.