GOP Ready To Dump Trump?
Reasonable Republicans now have the best chance they have had in almost two years to reclaim their party and realign it so that it is not in perpetual orbit around the whims of one unhinged man -- a man whose track record of losing elections grew much larger this Tuesday. Donald Trump is now being called the thing he fears most -- a loser -- by members of his own party. The right-wing media is even jumping on the "Dump Trump" bandwagon. The next few weeks could be pivotal for the ultimate direction of the Republican Party, in fact. It could either recede into the swamp of fawning obsequiousness towards Trump (that it has been stuck in since 2016), or it could decide that a brand new direction is what is needed right now.
A lot might depend on whether Trump actually follows through with his wink-and-nudge promise that he's going to declare his candidacy for the 2024 presidential race next Tuesday. Reportedly, he even had to be talked out of jumping in the race the day before the midterms, since to Trump, everything is always (or should always be) about Trump. To nobody's surprise, he even laid out the formulation he wanted the party to follow, no matter what happened in the midterms: "Well, I think if they win I should get all the credit. If they lose, I should not be blamed at all."
Now his aides are reportedly trying to talk Trump out of announcing his candidacy next week. In the first place, he now has no real wind at his back -- the disappointing lack of a red wave can't be just magically wished away, no matter how much Trump would like to. And in the second place, the balance of the Senate could still be up in the air. And Trump already blew this opportunity before -- in Georgia -- back in 2020.
Democrats currently control the Senate because they almost miraculously won both Senate runoff elections on January 5th, 2021. A Democratic sweep in Georgia is a rare thing, and many point to the fact that Donald Trump was so busy sowing doubt about votes being counted and sending so much hatred towards all the members of his own party who ran the state that he very likely was the main reason why not enough Republicans turned out to vote, and Georgia sent two Democrats to the Senate. They were the 49th and 50th Senate Democrats, which put them in the majority. The exact same thing could happen this time around, if Trump jumps into the runoff election in Georgia in any way.
Georgia is interesting for another reason as well, because all those state-level GOP politicians that Trump excoriated all won fairly easy re-election races this week. Thus proving that being on Trump's bad side doesn't automatically mean the end of a politician's career in the Republican Party. It can be, but not always. This should give other Republicans pause for thought, as they contemplate enraging Trump (and his base of voters).
It's pretty obvious that Trump's brand of politics took a beating in the midterms. A few of his hand-picked candidates did manage to win (J.D. Vance in Ohio springs to mind), but most of them, or perhaps "the worst of them," crashed and burned. Adherents of Trump's Big Lie lost races for secretary of state in multiple states, as the voters decided they wanted someone in touch with reality running their elections. Republicans also lost several winnable races for governor. The Senate races they lost were the main storyline, but the effect ran down the ballot as well.
Trump is a proven loser. That is the unmistakable message. And it's not just liberals in the media saying this -- even Rupert Murdock and Fox News are finally admitting that their emperor is, in fact, stark naked. The New York Post ran a cover of a caricature of Trump as Humpty-Dumpty, with the subhead: "Don (who couldn't build a wall) had a great fall -- can all the GOP's men put the party back together again?" [Note: not only did they leave women out of this formulation, they didn't even mention all the king's horses!] Inside the issue, columnist John Podhoretz ripped into Trump with true internecine fury, after bestowing the Trumpian nickname "Toxic Trump" on him in the first paragraph:
After three straight national tallies in which either he or his party or both were hammered by the national electorate, it's time for even his stans to accept the truth: Toxic Trump is the political equivalent of a can of Raid.
What Tuesday night's results suggest is that Trump is perhaps the most profound vote repellent in modern American history.
The surest way to lose in these midterms was to be a politician endorsed by Trump.
This is not hyperbole.
. . .
Independents... made the difference on Tuesday. They didn't want to keep hearing about voter fraud that didn't exist, or about how the world had done wrong to a multibillionaire boo-hoo whiner who lost his re-election bid due to his own incompetence.
Voters have their own problems. This election was about them, not Toxic Trump's pathological inability to accept his own failure -- and his desperate need to elevate cringe-inducing boot-lickers while punishing politicians capable of an independent thought.
The British political figure Oliver Cromwell once said about other British politicians who had overstayed their welcome and were ruining the country, "In the name of God, go!"
Yo, Toxic Trump: Scram.
Ouch. They weren't the only ones. The Wall Street Journal ran an editorial which called Trump "the Republican Party's biggest loser," pointing out that since 2016, "Mr. Trump has a perfect record of electoral defeat."
That's what people on the right are saying. And plenty of Republicans and Republican staffers and strategists are saying similar things to others in the media (though usually anonymously).
Immediately after the January 6th insurrection, Republicans in Congress were scared. Not of Trump, of what Trump had unleashed upon them. They stood on the floor of the House and Senate and denounced Trump. But then people like Kevin McCarthy and Lindsey Graham went to kowtow to Trump in obeisance soon after -- conveniently forgetting about how they had said they were "done" with Trump a few weeks earlier. They weren't strong enough to quit him -- because they knew that it would also mean quitting his energized base of voters.
This time around, it has now become completely obvious that Donald Trump doesn't care about the fortunes of the Republican Party, he only cares about himself. And that his fervent base just isn't big enough to win general elections. Backing Trump's narcissism and delusion has cost the party winnable elections. They are paying a big political price for blindly backing Trump in all matters, and this week was just more proof of that.
So now we're at a crossroads once again. Trump doesn't particularly care about whether the GOP wins the runoff Senate election in Georgia, since Trump hates the GOP leader of the Senate anyway. He has also been champing at the bit to announce his 2024 candidacy pretty much ever since his golf resort got raided by the feds. He's had to be talked out of doing so numerous times. The most recent of these was Monday, when he thought he'd just steal everyone's thunder by announcing his presidential bid the day before the midterm election. Now his aides are trying to get him to wait until after December 6th, when the Georgia runoff will be held. But it's got to be galling to Trump, to be told: "If you announce, we're going to lose that election." It runs counter to how he sees himself, obviously.
Trump is never going to admit he's a loser. As I said, just like all bullies it is the thing he fears the most -- public shaming. But more and more Republicans are coming to this inevitable conclusion. The question is whether they'll be strong enough this time to stick to it or not. If more and more Republican politicians broke publicly with Trump and Trumpism, they might actually wind up yanking the GOP back from the fever swamp it has been occupying for years. Fever-swamp creatures lose elections, after all.
Will the GOP finally dump Trump? The next few weeks could be a strong indication, one way or the other.
-- Chris Weigant
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
GOP Ready To Dump Trump?
Shirley, you jest.. :D
And just FYI... We survived another one.. :D Minimal damage, home and hearth still intact.. :D
Interesting factoid...
http://mfccfl.us/CharleyNicole.jpg
What a mind frak, eh!!?? :D
Ni Ni all.. Hasta in the AM.. :D
9/20
[Note: not only did they leave women out of this formulation, they didn't even mention all the king's horses!]
Ha!
"Liberal fundraisers actually put money behind Trump-endorsed candidates in GOP primaries all over the place to help them prevail so that Democrats could face them in the general election. It was transparently cynical and an abuse of our political process. But it worked like gangbusters." ... John Podhoretz of the New York Post
“With this race call, every single Republican who won their primary with help from Democratic meddling has lost in the general election.” ... John Podhoretz of the New York Post quoting Keven Robillard of the Huffington Post
Good to know. I did write somewhere around here that it would serve Dems right if this all backfired in their faces. I may have even said that I wished all of these liberal-backed Republicans would win their races.
But, that was just my disgust at this new Democratic practice of putting money behind the worst kind of people just because those were just the very kind of people they would rather run against when moderate Republicans are just the kind of people America needs right now. Or, something like that.
Anyways, just for the record, I'm glad that all of the Republicans who got this, ah, special treatment lost. :)
Hopefully, this practice of putting money behind the most despicable candidates in the primaries has served its purpose well enough so that it can now be retired and put into the dustbin of history where it really does belong!
Michale,
Interesting factoid...
Is THAT where you are!? Good God. Now, THAT right there is some scary fact!
So happy you made it through another one. :-)
GOP Ready To Dump Trump?
Oh, look! There's a question mark in the headline. That must be meaningful.
I've Seen That Movie Too
They're dumping dumptrucks full of votes in AZ. Kelly's looking good.
Mike Pompeo went to possibly bankrupt Hellscape Twitter (where the orange one is still unwelcome) and said Conservatives are elected when we deliver. Not when we just rail on social media. He's a disloyal traitor.
Oh, wait. We already knew that.
Cortez Masto just moved up again. It's time for Harry Reid to lower the boom on Laxalt.
. . . and on the eighth day Gawd said, Let us make Florida Man 2.0 in our image, after our likeness: and let him have dominion over the base cattle, and over all the Red States, and over every creepy Q-thing that creepeth upon the conservative entertainment complex. So Gawd created Florida Man 2.0 in His own image, in the image of Gawd created he him and they were both naked frauds, Florida Man and his mini-me, and were not ashamed. But Orange Jesus threw a hissy fit on Fake Twitter about Orange Juice Jesus and the Lord Gawd said never mind.
President Trump has done some really great things for this country and for this world..
I know, I know.. Ya'all can't see past the PTDS, but the simple fact is President Trump has been the greatest American leader since Saint Ronald Reagan... This is bona fide and established fact..
So, no.. The GOP will not "dump" President Trump...
America won't "dump" President Trump...
Liz,
Is THAT where you are!? Good God. Now, THAT right there is some scary fact!
This year wasn't so bad.. 2004??? Now THAT was a wild ride..
https://cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gmg/AOJO5HQKVJETLGBJICNHOQCCXU.PNG
I think like 5 strikes... It was crazy!! :D
On a personal note, I am really getting worried about MC...
Hay Kick..
You maintain personnel and surveillance files on all Weigantians..
Can you find out if MC is OK??
Thanx..
1/20
I am going to start campaigning for the 2024 Presidential Election right now...
http://mfccfl.us/2024.jpg
:D
2/20
The exact same thing could happen this time around, if Trump jumps into the runoff election in Georgia in any way.
I find myself VERY close to agreeing that, in the case of GA, President Trump may do more harm than good...
On the OTHER hand...
Democrats pad narrow leads in Arizona Senate, governor races
Democrats padded their narrow leads in key Arizona contests on Thursday, but the races for U.S. Senate and governor were still too early to call with about a fifth of the total ballots left to be counted.
Democratic Sen. Mark Kelly led Republican Blake Masters by 5.6 percentage points, while Democrat Katie Hobbs had a much tighter lead of 1.4 points against Republican Kari Lake in the governor’s race. Democrats also led in the races for secretary of state and attorney general.
Election officials in Maricopa County, which includes metro Phoenix and more than 60% of voters, expected to begin reporting results Friday from a crucial group of ballots — nearly 300,000 mail ballots that were returned on Election Day. That group has swung wildly in recent election cycles, from strongly Democratic in the 2018 midterms to strongly Republican in 2020.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-arizona-nov-10-007b2d3aab2820016b1e009cdcbd3ecc
Maybe things will work our to where Georgia is superfluous..
And I think CW made a good point yesterday..
The may be (A LOT of) GOP'ers who are blase about having Warnock as their Senator, but if it comes to control of the Senate, they would likely vote Walker...
Stranger things and all that...
3/20
Michale,
On a personal note, I am really getting worried about MC..
I'm working on the assumption that everything is okay. How long now has it been since we've heard from him?
Well, even if the GOP is ready to dump Trump, I think it will take more than four years to save the soul of America, so ...
Liz,
I'm working on the assumption that everything is okay. How long now has it been since we've heard from him?
Monday I think...
Monday, November 7th, 2022 at 17:26 PST
I just can't see him being silent after the trouncing the GOP got... :^/
Well, even if the GOP is ready to dump Trump, I think it will take more than four years to save the soul of America, so ...
You are correct, but not in the way you think.. :D
President Trump did a lot of good for the US and the world..
His Mid-East peace initiatives are enough to secure President Trump a benevolent place in the history books..
4/20
Michale,
Any good that Trump did for America and the world is completely overshadowed by just the harm he has personally caused and enabled simply by way of the very nature of what he is as a human being.
I'm sure Caddy is just resting and taking a break from this place. We should all do it, from time to time.
Any good that Trump did for America and the world is completely overshadowed by just the harm he has personally caused and enabled simply by way of the very nature of what he is as a human being.
I understand why it's easy to think that..
But if you really look at things objectively, it's not accurate..
Hell, the Mid-East peace initiatives saved countless lives just by itself..
Making the US Energy Independent saved Americans BILLIONS of dollars and increased the standard of living for untold Americans..
Those 2 factors just by themselves FAR overshadows the "mean tweets", don'tcha think???
I'm sure Caddy is just resting and taking a break from this place.
Maybe... But that's like Brady taking a break after his last Super Bowl win..
Seems strange to go incommunicado right at the moment of the biggest victory of the year...
Just sayin'...
5/20
I'm sure Caddy is just resting and taking a break from this place.
Maybe... But that's like Brady taking a break after his last Super Bowl win..
Seems strange to go incommunicado right at the moment of the biggest victory of the year...
"Oh she’s probably going to the bathroom for heaven’s sake. I’m next in line by the way."
-General Jack O'Niell, Stargate Continuum
:D
6/20
Michale,
If it was just "mean tweets" then you'd have a point but, it's so much more than that so you don't.
It's not a good idea to minimize the great harm that Trump has caused all by himself, not to mention how he made worse the situation that was in place before he slithered down that Manhattan escalator.
It's not a good idea to minimize the great harm that Trump has caused all by himself, not to mention how he made worse the situation that was in place before he slithered down that Manhattan escalator.
It's also not a good idea, nor is it fair, to ignore all the good that President Trump has done for Americans..
A calm, objective and unbiased assessment of President Trump's time in office shows that he did a LOT more good than harm..
And MUCH of the "harm" that was done was due to the 24/7 un-American persecution committed against President Trump and America...
7/20
I'm with Liz on this one. The harm Donald has done to the United States goes far beyond being a massive jackass, and the good he has done pales in comparison.
Just wanted to say that up here in North Florida (Tallahassee) we survived Nicole here too. Turned out to be nothing but a few rain showers and a stiff breeze. Not even any power outages.
As for the recent midterms, I would like to point out that I WAS RIGHT AGAIN. My prediction of weeks ago that Democrats would gain one Senate seat looks like it is going to hold, and that the House would be almost evenly split, with either Republicans or Democrats in control by a margin in single digits.
Another result I have not heard mentioned yet: Democrats managed to flip two state legislatures (both House and Senate) from Republican to complete Democratic control, of all branches of state government, including governor, in both Minnesota, and for the first time in 40 years, In Michigan.
Congratulations also to the first openly out gay / lesbian female governors in Oregon and Massachusetts, who both won.
By the way Michale, are you tired getting whacked and losing yet? You crowed about abortion, but abortion WON, in deep red Kansas (You must have forgot about that one before) and in deep red Kentucky, as well as in deep blue Michigan, California, and Vermont.
People are NOT voting in favor of "killing babies" as you put it. But they are voting for the constitutional freedom of BODILY AUTONOMY and, in the case of women especially, NOT having male government officials being able to dictate to them what they can and cannot do.
I will however, let you have the solace Michale, of both Florida and Texas turning and remaining deep red, at least for now. HEH. On the other hand, given the results in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota especially, the Blue Wall is back for 2024!!
I can’t say for sure where the rumors of a red tsunami started because the polls in almost every key race were within the margin of error - Fat Donny flunky Sean Hannity
The oranges of the "rumors"
JM,
By the way Michale, are you tired getting whacked and losing yet?
I'm still here ain't I?? :D
, in deep red Kansas (You must have forgot about that one before)
Far from "forgetting" about it, I pointed it out as an example of the wisdom of the Sam Beckett's SCOTUS ruling..
So, NOW yer on board with RvW being thrown on the trash heap of history... :D
But they are voting for the constitutional freedom of BODILY AUTONOMY and, in the case of women especially, NOT having male government officials being able to dictate to them what they can and cannot do.
If we were talking about the woman's body, you would have a point. But we're not, so you don't..
SCIENCE shows us, that at 6-20 weeks, it is NOT the woman's body that is the issue.. It's a separate and distinct body, completely different than the woman's body..
On the other hand, given the results in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota especially, the Blue Wall is back for 2024!!
Whatever you have to tell yerself to make it thru yer day.. :D
Did you vote for Ron DeSantis?? :D
JL,
I'm with Liz on this one. The harm Donald has done to the United States goes far beyond being a massive jackass, and the good he has done pales in comparison.
I wouldn't have it any other way.. :D
But objectively considered, the FACTS prove that claim false..
You are confusing harm to the country with harm to the Democrat Party...
:D
On THAT score, yes.. President Trump has immeasurably decimated the Democrat Party... :D
8/20
@m,
Not confused in the least. As awful as he was for our country, Donald has in fact been GREAT for the Democrats. If you don't believe that, how else could they have achieved the present results, given the president's current approval rating?
Indeed!
JL,
f you don't believe that, how else could they have achieved the present results, given the president's current approval rating?
The fact that I don't have an alternate explanation at this present moment does not preclude the possibility that an alternate examples does exist..
As far as being the here and now being so good for Democrats???
Ya'all said the same thing in the aftermath of 2020, if I recall correctly..
And look at Democrats now??
The question appears to be... Can the Democrats survive so much good news??
More important.. Can this country??
Be careful what you wish for.. :D
Liz,
Indeed!
OK Teal'c :D
9/20
Scott Adams just dumped Big Orange on failing Twitter (probably too late to save Dilbert from cancellation).
Just saw Katie Porter's interview with Jon Stewart from last week. The Republican Party spent over $8 million dollars in ads for her opponent. The Democrats gave her $300,000 to do a mailer. WTF!?!?
I guess holding Jamie Diamond's feet to the fire over what he pays their bank tellers or showing how corporate greed is 54% of the reason we have such high prices on goods right now is not something the Democratic National Committee wants politicians to do. This is disgusting! She is one of the biggest bright spots in the DNC as far as I am concerned... and we can only hold our breath while the ballots in her race are finally tallied.
Hell, the Mid-East peace initiatives saved countless lives just by itself..
Really? How, exactly, did it save lives? What did it do that stopped actual violence? Last I recall, it did nothing to solve any problems between Israel and Palestine. In fact, Palestinians weren't even invited to the sit at the negotiating table!
Making the US Energy Independent saved Americans BILLIONS of dollars and increased the standard of living for untold Americans..
What do you mean when you say that the US became energy independent? Under Trump, we never stopped buying oil from the Saudi's. If you are saying that we were producing more oil and were exporting more than we imported, yes, that did happen while Trump was President. Was it due to any Trump policy? Hell no. It's due to fracking that started in the early 2000's and has only continued to increase across the country ever since. It's also because COVID shut down the country and our use of gas to power our vehicles dropped more than it ever has since the invention of the automobile.
We aren't independent, because the system that BIG OIL runs on doesn't allow for us to ever be truly independent. We don't use the majority of the oil we produce. We export it. Our vehicles run on gas created from Saudi and other ME oil. The market is a scam that ensures profits for all oil producing countries.
Those 2 factors just by themselves FAR overshadows the "mean tweets", don'tcha think???
NO! No, I do not think that! And "mean tweets" aren't the issue I have with Donald Trump's time in office. Hell, "mean tweets" aren't even in the top 100!
Really? How, exactly, did it save lives? What did it do that stopped actual violence?
Yea, yer right, Russ.. Peace treaties never stop actual violence.. :eyeroll:
Last I recall, it did nothing to solve any problems between Israel and Palestine.
That's because Democrats were too busy persecuting President Trump and committing fraud in 2020, so President Trump couldn't finish the job.. :eyeroll:
What do you mean when you say that the US became energy independent? Under Trump, we never stopped buying oil from the Saudi's.
Under President Trump's Energy Independent America, we only imported oil from SA because of treaty obligations.. Not because we HAD to...
Unlike Biden, President Trump didn't have to go hat in hand crawling on his knees to BEG SA to release more oil. What did Biden get?? The back of SA's hand.. :^/
NO! No, I do not think
Now on THAT we agree... :D
And "mean tweets" aren't the issue I have with Donald Trump's time in office.
And yet, ya'all bitched ALL the time about President Trump's mean tweets... :eyeroll:
10/20
But THIS is exactly what I am talking about with ya'all's PTDS...
You are so bloody IRRATIONAL about yer President Trump hate you simply can't view things objectively..
*I* am objective.. I KNOW President Trump has his faults... I acknowledge those faults..
But none of ya'all can concede the things President Trump has done well...
That's why, when all is said and done, the facts stand...
11/20
Remember how Democrats are ALWAYS so ga ga over "The Popular Vote"???
Red wave after all? GOP winning popular vote by wide margin despite incongruous results
Millions more Americans voted for Republicans than Democrats in House races. So why didn't the GOP win more seats?
Specifically, GOP candidates have so far received 50,672,592 votes, or 52.3% of the total ballots cast as of this writing. Democrat candidates, by comparison, have so far received 44,802,597 votes, or 46.2% of the total.
These figures come from Cook's 2022 National House Vote Tracker, which is being updated as states continue counting ballots.
This support for the GOP appears to fit with what pre-election polling data had suggested heading into Election Day. Several Republican candidates nationwide, including those running for the Senate and governors' mansions, had been rising in the polls in the last couple months, indicating positive momentum for Republicans.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/red-wave-after-all-gop-winning-popular-vote-wide-margin-despite
Funny, when the POPULAR VOTE doesn't go Democrats' way, they ignore it..
Once again.... Proof positive that Democrats are exactly like they accuse Republicans of being.. :eyeroll:
Irregardless, it's really REALLY strange that the Popular Vote, the actual vote count *IS* lockstep with the polls...
Yet the tabulated results are sooooooo different....
Hmmmmmmmm
"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."
-Joseph Stalin
I am guessing no one here wants to talk about the Popular Vote on THIS election, eh?? :D
"Gee!!! I wonder why that is!!!"
-Kevin Spacey, THE NEGOTIATOR
:D
12/20
Michale[34,35},
"Projection, projection ... I'm not being fooled by projection.
"Projection, projection ... you thought you could put something over me!"
:-)
HEY CW!!
The comments have been turned off on Friday's Talking Points. Just FYI!
Russ
Yeah, Russ, how about that. You think maybe he's trying to tell us something?
Yea, yer right, Russ.. Peace treaties never stop actual violence.. :eyeroll:
It was a simple question that you don't seem able to answer. Rolling it right back to ya.
You are so bloody IRRATIONAL about yer President Trump hate you simply can't view things objectively..
You are so bloody IRRATIONAL about yer President Trump lust you simply can't view things objectively..
The man was compromised from the very start! He constantly lied about his ties to foreign governments (especially Russia). He sided with nations that were not our allies more than with our allies. He humiliated our own intelligence agencies when he sided with Putin over them.
Funny, when the POPULAR VOTE doesn't go Democrats' way, they ignore it..
Once again.... Proof positive that Democrats are exactly like they accuse Republicans of being.. :eyeroll:
Democrats don't accuse Republicans of "ignoring" the POPULAR VOTE! First, Democrats don't ignore it, they are simply accepting it when they lose. Republicans don't do that! Republicans become unhinged and violently delusional when forced to accept the reality that they are losers!
*I* am objective.. I KNOW President Trump has his faults... I acknowledge those faults..
YOU are objectionable. You acknowledge Trump's faults??? When? You claiming that they are strengths is not the same as acknowledging his faults... no way!
The man led a violent but failed insurrection on January 6. Trump attempted to overthrow our government to remain in power. You support Trump's Big Lie despite his never providing proof of any election fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election.
He is always the victim... nothing is ever his fault! In an interview posted ahead of the results on Tuesday with the network NewsNation, Trump said, “Well, I think if they win, I should get all the credit. If they lose, I should not be blamed at all.”
Liz,
Nah, I think he just forgot to cut them on/accidentally cut them off. It's become much more civil since he stepped in and put his foot down, wouldn't you agree?
Oh, absolutely. Maybe you're right. I was kind of bummed about Sunday not happening.
It looks like the Dems will end up with 51 senators. Thanks Fat Donny!
The icing on the fruitcake is that the GQP is ready to blame McConnell. I really hope they follow through and ditch him as minority leader. Maybe he'll retire.
Natasha is reportedly pissed that the orange one blamed her for the Dr Snakeoil debacle and is unwilling to campaign. Ivanka doesn't want to sit on his lap anymore and his midterm tantrums are ruining Tiffany's wedding.
Orange/Greene 2024!
I hope the Dem establishment and local parties will look at races like Johnson/Barnes in Wisconsin, analyse where they may have failed, and learn lessons for 2024. Eg, might a different candidate have done better or was it flawed campaigning, taking some voters for granted, lack of monetary and other support or some other factor?
[45] Mezzomamma wrote:
"I hope the Dem establishment and local parties will look at races like Johnson/Barnes in Wisconsin, analyse where they may have failed, and learn lessons for 2024. Eg, might a different candidate have done better or was it flawed campaigning, taking some voters for granted, lack of monetary and other support or some other factor?"
A couple of other things to keep in mind though: Both the Wisconsin governor and the Wisconsin attorney general were won by the Democrats, and Barnes came awfully close to winning. Democrats also denied the Republicans a super majority in the legislature, so they can't over ride the Democratic governor's veto. Wisconsin is also probably the most heavily gerrymandered state in the country by the Republicans.
Democrats also need to forget about Texas and Florida for now, and focus on states like North Carolina, where the Democrat also came very close to defeating the Republican for the U.S. Senate.
[27] Michale wrote:
"But they are voting for the constitutional freedom of BODILY AUTONOMY and, in the case of women especially, NOT having male government officials being able to dictate to them what they can and cannot do.
If we were talking about the woman's body, you would have a point. But we're not, so you don't..
SCIENCE shows us, that at 6-20 weeks, it is NOT the woman's body that is the issue.. It's a separate and distinct body, completely different than the woman's body.."
IF you were RIGHT, you would have a point, but you're NOT, so you don't. Science says NO SUCH THING. AT 6 weeks, for instance, it is just a CLUMP OF CELLS. There is not anything that even looks like a BODY YET. And at 6 weeks, what you call a fetal heart beat, is again just a CLUMP of CELLS that are contracting in unison. There's not even any structure of heart chambers.
REALLY Michale, you need to go back and learn some ACTUAL SCIENCE.
JM
You are wrong again..
SCIENCE says it's a fetal heartbeat..
The Science Behind Embryonic Heartbeats – A Fact Sheet
https://lozierinstitute.org/the-science-behind-embryonic-heartbeats-a-fact-sheet/
I know, I know... You Democrats don't like SCIENCE when it doesn't fit your agenda..
So you create Democrat "Science" that is nothing but thinly veiled Democrat activism..
Like the Democrat "science" that says there are 39 actual genders..
Like the Democrat "science" that says humans can control the planet's climate...
THAT is Democrat "science"..
So, you deny that a 20 week old unborn baby is NOT really a baby?? And can be killed on a whim???
20-Week Old Unborn Baby. According to Democrats, not REALLY a baby and can be killed on a whim with impunity and Marketing/Twitter Announcements
Please don't take this the wrong way, JM...
But... What kind of monster are you???
At conception, a baby has it's own unique DNA.. At 10 weeks, the baby is distinctly human. At 17 weeks, the baby has it's own unique fingerprints...
And YOU want to claim that SCIENCE says it's not a distinct body at all... That the baby is nothing but a wart in the mother that can be routinely excised and killed??
Well, THAT is your Democrat "science" for you.. :eyeroll: Nothing but poorly disguised Democrat activism..
I also remember a bit ago, before you bailed, you put the question to me as to how about holding the father of the baby responsible AFTER the baby is born..
I pointed out that we already do that.. Then I asked you how about letting the father have some rights BEFORE the baby is born.. Yunno..
I mean, with responsibilities usually comes RIGHTS, right?? That's how things like that are supposed to work, eh??
Like the right to stop the mother from outright killing his baby..
You never answered that question... How come???
Here's another question I would like you to field...
Postulate a scenario where the technology exists that we can terminate a woman's pregnancy without harming the baby..
Under those circumstances, would you support outlawing baby-killing abortion??
I mean, under THOSE conditions, if you STILL support baby-killing abortion, then it's obvious it's nothing but a property-rights issue to you...
So, I am curious.. Would you support outlawing baby-killing abortion if the technology existed to terminate a woman's pregnancy and still maintain the life of the baby...
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Elizabeth Miller
3
I may have even said that I wished all of these liberal-backed Republicans would win their races.
You definitely did.
But, that was just my disgust at this new Democratic practice of putting money behind the worst kind of people...
"New"!? It definitely isn't new on either side of the political aisle (not to be conflated with a statement of equivalency).
Anyways, just for the record, I'm glad that all of the Republicans who got this, ah, special treatment lost. :)
I'm glad you're glad.
"The Lincoln Project" is a group of mostly Republicans (and former Republicans) funded by Republicans, Democrats, and Independents that have been boosting and backing the Democratic Party and multiple candidates against GOP and Trumpism with millions and millions of dollars and for quite a while now. More than any other group, they were ginormously responsible for delivering Arizona to Joe Biden and the Democrats in 2020. I could go on with many more examples, but you get the idea.
So, to recap: Sometimes it's as simple as running an ad saying a candidate is "too conservative" or "too liberal" and sometimes it's infusing a preferred candidate (or two) with donations, but groups and donors "boosting" the opponent they'd rather face in the general election has been going on for centuries and continues unabated because...... it works!
Elizabeth Miller
4
Hopefully, this practice of putting money behind the most despicable candidates in the primaries has served its purpose well enough so that it can now be retired and put into the dustbin of history where it really does belong!
Heh. It won't.
[45] Once again, Mandela Barnes was not some fringe candidate. He is the current lieutenant governor of Wisconsin. In other words, he has already won state-wide office there.
He's Black and he got Willie-Hortoned by an avalanche of dark money.
[46] John M: I mentioned Barnes simply because Chris mentioned him in the Friday Talking Points, not knowing much about that race or Barnes, only that I am appalled that people like Johnson are elected and re-elected.
It may be that even the most outstanding candidate can't succeed in some places at some times, but it may still be possible to create the small shifts that lead to bigger ones. I hope they will look at the near misses for positive factors as well as negative ones.
Incidentally, I would like to see gerrymandering addressed as part of election reform, no matter which party does it.
I think it's exceedingly humorous that the MAGA Q-nut party believed that the last big batch of votes in AZ would save them because they were dropped off on election day and they've conditioned their Pavlov's dogs to avoid early voting.
This delusional cult-think conveniently ignores the fact that they discouraged anti-fascist voters from voting early by stationing masked gangsters and goons with rifles at the drop boxes, so of course, people just waited and dropped them off on election day.
John From Censornati
10
Cortez Masto just moved up again. It's time for Harry Reid to lower the boom on Laxalt.
Heh.
Here are the estimates I have heard regarding remaining votes to be counted:
~23,000... Clark (Vegas)
~8,000.... Washoe (Reno)
~4,000.... Rurals (everywhere else)
These numbers don't include ~6,000 provisional ballots
There are also ~10,000 ballots that can be "cured."
Since Cortez Masto has been winning Clark vote dumps at around 2:1 while winning Washoe (but at a lesser ratio) and also faring very well in the rurals with Independents, if these estimates are correct, it appears to be all over but the counting.
Short Fingers is raging on Failing Fake Twitter this morning. He wants a do-over election in AZ. His bottomless idiocy is so much fun to watch.
Lock him up!
Kick [49],
"boosting" the opponent they'd rather face in the general election has been going on for centuries and continues unabated because...... it works!
Exactly. Orange/Greene 2024!
Kick [54],
if these estimates are correct, it appears to be all over but the counting.
It's over. The Dems should keep in mind that they have the Culinary Union to thank for that.
JM,
I mean, under THOSE conditions, if you STILL support baby-killing abortion, then it's obvious it's nothing but a property-rights issue to you...
"I don't think that's a little harsh, I think that's the truth. But that's a truth that we have obscured behind a... comfortable, easy euphemism. 'Property'. But that's not the issue at all, is it?"
-Captain Jean Luc Picard, STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION
I'm just sayin'....
2/20
I am going to burn a comment just to fix that ^^^^
It just bugs me... :^/
JM,
I mean, under THOSE conditions, if you STILL support baby-killing abortion, then it's obvious it's nothing but a property-rights issue to you...
"I don't think that's a little harsh, I think that's the truth. But that's a truth that we have obscured behind a... comfortable, easy euphemism. 'Property'. But that's not the issue at all, is it?"
-Captain Jean Luc Picard, STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION
I'm just sayin'....
3/20
Michale
36
Red wave after all?
No red wave. Sorry.
GOP winning popular vote by wide margin despite incongruous results
You do realize that there are millions of mail-in ballots not yet counted in populous West Coast states and urban cities all across America? Get back to us all when they've finished counting those, which ALWAYS take longer to count.
Millions more Americans voted for Republicans than Democrats in House races. So why didn't the GOP win more seats?
*laughs*
This support for the GOP appears to fit with what pre-election polling data had suggested heading into Election Day.
Red Mirage: If you encourage Republican and MAGA voters to vote in person and then discount many of the mail-in votes that haven't been counted, Republicans win. Simple math.
Funny, when the POPULAR VOTE doesn't go Democrats' way, they ignore it..
Funny how right-wing propaganda media blows smoke up y'all's asses before all the votes are counted. Stop the counting now!
Irregardless, it's really REALLY strange that the Popular Vote, the actual vote count *IS* lockstep with the polls...
It's really REALLY strange that anyone would claim this to be the "actual vote count" when there are millions of ballots on the West Coast and in large urban cities across American still being counted.
I am guessing no one here wants to talk about the Popular Vote on THIS election, eh?? :D
Lousy guess.
Kick,
"New"!? It definitely isn't new on either side of the political aisle.
It certainly is "new" and unprecedented when it comes to the kind of despicable candidates we are talking about - election deniers, conspiracy nuts and the like. I know you know that! The same folks that Dems say are destroying American democracy. (EDIT: Actually, I'm thinking maybe you don't.)
"The Lincoln Project" is a group of mostly Republicans (and former Republicans) funded by Republicans, Democrats, and Independents... that have been boosting and backing the Democratic Party and multiple candidates against GOP and Trumpism with millions and millions of dollars...
You think I was talking about the Lincoln Project!!? No. No, that's a whole other thing! Not what I was referring to, at all. Come on, Kick - try to keep up!
How I Helped Todd Akin Win — So I Could Beat Him Later
John From Censornati
56
JFC, you're killing me with all your posts. I can't stop laughing.
Keep them coming.
Exactly.
Well, it does work. You don't hear lefties complaining about Republicans helping Democrats, but just listen to them howl when Democrats help Republicans. *grins*
Orange/Greene 2024!
Heh. Good one. See if I can come up with one of these myself. *thinking*
Got it!
Fake/Lake 2024!
Well, it does work. You don't hear lefties complaining about Republicans helping Democrats, but just listen to them howl when Democrats help Republicans. *grins*
Wow. Talk about watching a point fly way overhead! Heh.
Sorry, JFC - thought that was Kick again. Ahem.
Oh, never mind!
John From Censornati
55
He wants a do-over election in AZ.
If you're constantly whining about "do-overs," you're losing.
His bottomless idiocy is so much fun to watch.
I know, right!? Why in hell would Trump whine about fraud in Arizona when Kari Lake is still capable of winning governor? Idiot!
John From Censornati
57
It's over. The Dems should keep in mind that they have the Culinary Union to thank for that.
Yep, sir. Culinary Workers Union Local 226, and the "Reid machine" rolls on.
PA Governor-elect Josh Shapiro wanted to face deplorable Mastriano and he got the weak opponent that he wanted. On the other hand, the orange cult's second choice was Lou Barletta - just as deplorable and insane, so . . .
The real issue is that Josh Sharpiro was a great candidate. Somebody like Sinema should not use this strategy, but hopefully she won't get past the primaries.
Elizabeth Miller
61
It certainly is "new" and unprecedented when it comes to the kind of despicable candidates we are talking about - election deniers, conspiracy nuts and the like.
It isn't remotely new and/or unprecedented. Election deniers are just another form of "conspiracy nuts and the like."
Republicans boosted Bernie Sanders in 2016 and 2020
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-perfectly-outlined-republican-191114634.html
You think I was talking about the Lincoln Project!!?
No. I was talking about Republicans "boosting" Democrats in order to defeat MAGA Republicans, the flipside of Democrats boosting Republicans.
No, that's a whole other thing!
Nope. You have no idea the ways in which this has been going on for centuries. Alexander Hamilton boosted Thomas Jefferson over his own Party.
Come on, Kick - try to keep up!
Canada insists on embarrassing itself, and I'm naturally okay with that. :)
Elizabeth Miller
64
Wow. Talk about watching a point fly way overhead! Heh.
I find your ignorance of the facts oddly amusing.
Keep digging.
Sorry, Kick. Your analogies show me that I have not made myself clear enough for you. And, I'm done trying. :)
It would be a bad mistake for the Republicans to have Donald Trump as their nominee in 2024. Donald Trump has proven himself to be dishonest, disloyal, incompetent, crude and a lot of other things that alienate so many independents and Republicans. Even a candidate who campaigns from his basement can beat him. - Sore loser Mo Brooks
Don't listen to him. Orange/Greene 2024!
Democrats may have beat the odds in the election..
Biden mistakenly thanks Colombia for hosting ASEAN summit in Cambodia
Biden speaks at ASEAN about need for cooperation and international law, though he did not mention China
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-mistakenly-thanks-colombia-hosting-asean-summit-cambodia
But Biden is still senile... :^/
4/20
SCIENCE says it's a fetal heartbeat..
Really? So SCIENCE is your new FACTS?
The Science Behind Embryonic Heartbeats– A Fact Sheet https://lozierinstitute.org/the-science-behind-embryonic-heartbeats-a-fact-sheet/
Fine, let's see what they say:
1. There is a functional, beating heart in every human being by 6 weeks of gestation[1]
-The heart is the embryo’s first functioning organ, which starts to develop as early as 16 days after fertilization.[2]
-The first heartbeat occurs approximately day 22-23 after fertilization, which is the 6th week of gestation in pregnancy.[3]
If we look at footnote #1, we quickly see that there is no mention of the heart being fully "functional" at 6 weeks. It is a note explaining how the age of a fetus is determined using two different methods. More important is the fact that the reference is not an actual medical journal, but the CLI's own publications.
Now footnotes 2 and 3 are citations from actual medical textbooks on embryology.
Footnote 2 simply supports the statement that the heart starts to form as early as 16 days after fertilization. Footnote 3 simply supports the statement: "day 22-23 after fertilization, which is the 6th week of gestation in pregnancy."
Now the strangest thing happens after this second bullet point that contains footnote #3... The bullet points making all sorts of medical claims that follow it are void of ANY citations to ANY medical journals!
But how can this be????
This is especially strange since the very next bullet point states:
The heart forms very early in embryogenesis because the embryo’s survival requires circulation of oxygen-carrying blood, a fact that is validated by all embryology textbooks.
If this "FACT" is validated by all embryology textbooks, you would expect multiple citations to various embryology textbooks supporting this claim... and at the minimum there should be at least a single citation to such a claim by the authors... but, alas, there are NONE! THAT should have been your first warning that you were being fed horseshit.
It wasn't laziness that caused the author to stop citing their references... a practice that would not be acceptable from ANY scientific institute. No, they offer not citations because the information they are sharing is not found in ANY medical textbooks!!!
Who/What is the Charlotte Lozier Institute (CLI)?
“Though it is often treated as an impartial research organization by other anti-choice groups, the Charlotte Lozier Institute (CLI) is actually operated by the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List. CLI was created by SBA List in 2011 and has remained part of the organization — filing its federal 990 tax forms as the “Susan B. Anthony List Education Fund” and running Facebook ads for SBA List during the 2018 midterm elections. CLI’s anti-abortion work involves putting ‘expert testimony before legislatures across the U.S. on the reality of pain in the unborn’ and helping anti-abortion fake health clinics with research to maximize their ‘outreach and effectiveness.’” [Media Matters, 12/14/19]
So in conclusion, your SCIENCE is as factual as your FACTS! But this does raise the question of whether your sub-conscious is causing you to place those words in all capital letters as a "tell" that you know you are lying? Why use all capital letters when you are describing a lie?
Elizabeth Miller
72
Sorry, Kick.
Okay.
Your analogies show me that I have not made myself clear enough for you. And, I'm done trying. :)
Great, but there was nothing at all unclear about what you said:
*
Politicians (of all parties) boosting "the worst kind of people" to become their political opponent isn't "new." However, the wall-to-wall reporting and gnashing of teeth over the practice definitely qualifies as a novel development. :)
Russ,
So, you have NO FACTS of your own to support ANY of your claims that these facts listed are not facts..
And your character assassination of the group that puts forth the scientifically established FACTS is put forth WITHOUT FACTS by a Left Wing media rag..
BBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As per your norm, Russ... You never have ANY facts to support your claims..
NEVER.. EVER... NOT ONCE...
:D
Why is that, Russ?? Why is it you NEVER have ANY facts to support ANY of your outlandish and BS claims??
Hmmmmmmmm????
What's so funny is that ya'all concentrate on the 6 week fetal heartbeat and IGNORE the 20-week old fetus that is DECIDEDLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY a separate and distinct person..
So, you deny that a 20 week old unborn baby is NOT really a baby?? And can be killed on a whim???
20-Week Old Unborn Baby. According to Democrats, not REALLY a baby and can be killed on a whim with impunity and Marketing/Twitter Announcements
https://www.babycenter.com/ims/2018/06/pregnancy-week-20-fetal-movement_square.png
Well??? Why don't you address THAT fact, Russ?? Because you can't.. :D
You feel that a woman has a right to UNRESTRICTED baby-killing....
And that's just sad...
5/20
Russ,
Oh I forgot..
You DO have "facts" to support your claim..
You have Stacey BIG LIE Abrams claiming that "fetal heartbeat" doesn't exist.. :eyeroll:
Oh.. Yes.. She ALSO claimed that baby killing abortions are the solution for inflation... :eyeroll:
THAT is your Democrat "science" at work.. :eyeroll:
6/20
Like the Democrat "science" that says there are 39 actual genders..
Like the Democrat "science" that says humans can control the planet's climate...
THAT is Democrat "science"..
The fact that you are putting quotes around the word "science" shows that you recognize what you are saying is not really science. There is no "Democrat science" or "Republican science" just like there are no "alternative facts". There is just science that we all share ownership of. No Democrat is claiming those things as being science.
Gender is a human social construct, not based in physical sciences. No one claims that humans can "control the planet's climate..." There is no thermostat that controls it. No "on/off" switch that we can flip. If there were, then we could control it. But we are able to influence the climate, a fact that has been long accepted by scientists.
I mean, with responsibilities usually comes RIGHTS, right?? That's how things like that are supposed to work, eh??
What the HELL are you talking about?!? You crash your car into my car and damage it. You are responsible for paying for the damages you caused. You do not suddenly get the right to take my car out and drive it when you want to.
Driving itself is a perfect example of your point being BULLSHIT! You have responsibilities you have to meet in order to legally drive in this country. You have no RIGHT that guarantees that you can drive a car in this country.
NBC is currently projecting the house as follows:
R 219
D 216
Plus or minus 4!
So, you have NO FACTS of your own to support ANY of your claims that these facts listed are not facts..
Dear GOD you are pathetic! Tarded as HELL! I'm surprised you didn't try going with the, "I know you are but what am I" defense. Or is that too complicated for you?
This was the proof YOU offered to support what you claim the SCIENCE says. I just pointed out that the BS you posted does not meet basic scientific standards. Feel free to post the embryology textbooks that these statements listed are found in and you'll win this argument! That's all it would take... Cite the medical textbook that made the statements that you claim and you win!!! Of course, failure to do so, and you remain a loser! While we are on the topic of "things you lie about and have no evidence to support your lies", which of the other 10 states you claim that you have lived in did you work in law enforcement? The first two came back with no record of you being employed as law enforcement in their state.
Tic Toc! You cannot? Really? Wow! Guess you are just lying.
John From Censornati
80
NBC is currently projecting the house as follows:
R 219
D 216
Plus or minus 4!
The Trumplicans primaried Jaime Herrera Beutler (R) in WA-3, and it was called tonight as a flipper for Democrats who defeated her election-lying replacement.
Turns out all those Trumpian plans of impeaching Joe Biden are in peril of fading into right-wingnut fantasies and wet dreams. Heh.
Noonan at WSJ sums it up pretty well:
Meanwhile, over on Truth Social, orange wrote (emphasis mine):
The electron deniers are still at it.
BOOM
They just called it for Catherine Cortez Masto with the latest ~22,000 votes from Clark County. She's ~5,000 votes ahead.
Democrats retain control of the Senate. :)
FWIW, CNN just called Nevada for Cortez Masto, giving the Democrats control of the Senate regardless of the Georgia run-off.
The democrats retaining control of the senate could be a real boon to Warnock in his run-off. Some of those who held their noses and voted for Walker despite his obvious deficiencies as both a candidate and a human being may not be inclined to do so again since it would no longer help the republicans win control of the senate, which could easily depress turnout among potential Walker voters.
MyVoice
84
Heh.
Quantum physics can be a real bastard sometimes.
Advantage Warnock.
[89] nypoet22:
Isn't it ionic?
[87] Bleyd & [90] JFC
Beyond the boon that Warnock will be in the Senate, just because of who he is, I'm hoping that having 51 Senators will take most of the air out of Manchin's and Sinema's tires. So long as they don't both threaten to vote with republicans, Harris can break ties as needed. They can abstain all they want.
Russ,
The fact that you are putting quotes around the word "science" shows that you recognize what you are saying is not really science
My gods, Russ!!! OF COURSE it's not really science!!
THAT'S the point!!!
Are you REALLY this dense!!??? :eyeroll:
There is no "Democrat science"
Yes, there is.. Democrat "science" says that there are something like 39 genders..
REAL science KNOWS that there are only 2 genders..
Democrat "science" says this is wrong..
Democrat "science" says that humans can control the planet's climate..
Democrat "science" is simply Democrat activism in a very see-thru disguise..
Are you getting it yet??
Gender is a human social construct, not based in physical sciences.
And yet, when Jackson Brown was asked to define what a woman is she said, "I am not a biologist"..
Biology is a physical science!!
DUH....
No one claims that humans can "control the planet's climate..."
And yet, YOU Democrats are always going on and on about "STOPPING CLIMATE CHANGE"...
So, obviously you AND your fellow Democrats think that humans CAN control the planet's climate..
Again... DUH.... :eyeroll:
As to the rest of your incomprehensible gibberish, it's all absolutely NON-SEQUITUR so it's ignored..
And I notice you STILL haven't come up with any facts to refute the fetal heartbeat facts I put out, so I accept your concession on that point..
1/20
MyVoice,
Isn't it ionic?
Okay, now THAT was funny!
And, it actually makes sense, unlike the stupid song. Heh.
Isn't He Iconic...
:D
2/20
@m,
the WHO isn't democratic, it's global. and no matter how many times you fail to grasp the meaning of the words, sex and gender are not the same thing. as for the factual number of genders, it's probably much higher than 39. even within sex (not gender), there are multiple naturally occurring human genotypes and phenotypes.
@mv,
that's just how particle democracy works.
according to the national institute of medicine, sex can be divided into 3 different categories: genotype, phenotype and gender.
1. let's start with genotypes: of the human karyotypes (sex-linked chromosomes), here's joshua kennon's summary
next come the phenotypes, or how sex organs manifest both inside and outside the body. within this category, there are traditional male, traditional female, intersex (both), eunuch (penis but no testes),
androgenous (neither), and a few others that present depending on various genetic and environmental factors.
gender: then finally, there's gender, which is globally defined as one's sexual image of oneself, and which is highly dependent on how a given culture tends to define their roles and preferences - including how they think of their own sex role, what they prefer in a partner, and what cultural sex-linked function they prefer to play. since the potential variations in culture are infinite, so are the potential number of genders.
them's the facts, no capitalization or scare-quotes necessary.
JL
Well done, Joshua!
Michale, are you reading?
By the way, I'm feeling pretty good at the moment so how about a rare Sunday musicfest under a column other than FTP. Or, do you suppose someone was trying hard to tell me something ...
that's just how particle democracy works.
Heh
JL,
Gender is biology.. Justice Jackson Brown even concedes this..
Ergo, gender is science..
Yes.. Democrat "science" says that gender is a societal construct... But Democrat "science" also says that humans can control the planet's climate..
I don't pay attention to Democrat "science", because it's nothing but poorly disguised activism..
You quote the WHO?? :D THAT's funny... You might as well quote the UN and the ICC... :^/
The WHO is a political organization and can be safely ignored as their "science" is based SOLELY on their anti-America politics..
Liz,
I just went bowling for a grandson's B-Day party... Now I want to die... :( I am getting WAY too old for that stuff...
Won't even be able to stay up for YELLOWSTONE premiere... :(
Ni Ni all...
3/20
Pleasant dreams ...
To Everyone:
Sorry, I somehow unchecked the "allow comments" box on Friday's column. It was unintentional, and I apologize. It is now open for comments... sorry 'bout the mixup.
Also, during halftime I am answering some previous stuff starting with:
http://www.chrisweigant.com/2022/11/09/take-two/#comment-200705
Again, sorry for the error... my bad, just a technical problem, no more...
-CW
LizM [3] -
Yeah, I had a problem with this when they first started doing it and was worried too. Even though it all worked out this time, I bet Democrats will live to regret introducing this tactic to American politics. I just can't help but think it'll bite them on the hindquarters sooner or later, that's all... it just seems like dirty pool to me...
-CW
Michale [12] -
This is bona fide and established fact..
OK, thanks, I needed a big belly laugh today!
:-)
Trump a "great" president... hoo boy, you crack me up sometimes... heh...
-CW
Michale [13] -
ok, that was pretty damn funny too... you're on a roll...
:-)
-CW
@cw,
i KNOW you're a US history buff, so let's have it, who are YOUR top-five worst presidents, and why? spoiler alert, donald doesn't make MY list, but he's certainly in the bottom quartile.
and just for giggles, where do you have the rest of the most recent four (bill, george & barry)?
JL
nypoet22 [96]
Awesome post! Thank you for stepping in with this info.
So, you deny that a 20 week old unborn baby is NOT really a baby?? And can be killed on a whim???
No, I do not deny that a 20 week old unborn baby is NOT really a baby! I freely admit that it isn't really a baby.
20-Week Old Unborn Baby. According to Democrats, not REALLY a baby and can be killed on a whim with impunity and Marketing/Twitter Announcements
https://www.babycenter.com/ims/2018/06/pregnancy-week-20-fetal-movement_square.png
Well??? Why don't you address THAT fact, Russ?? Because you can't.. :D
Address WHAT fact? What does "can be killed on a whim with impunity and Marketing/Twitter Announcements" actually mean? How do you kill someone using "impunity and Marketing/Twitter Announcements"? Seems like a slow, boring death.
Or do you want me to address that odd computer-generated image of a fetus? It's ugly. But if it's mother carried it to computer-generated term, I'm guessing it's living a wonderful computer-generated life. I aborted the image personally. My computer, my choice!
nypoet22 [105] -
Hoo boy. I guess I don't know enough about all of them to really say. I'd put Nixon in there, for sure. I have a pretty big gap in knowing specific history from about Van Buren to about maybe Hoover... most of them tend to blur together, except for a few standouts.
I'd have to think about it and do some reading to come up with an actual list. But Trump would definitely be in the bottom 5 if not worst of all time, that's for sure.
What is your list?
Clinton I'd rate like top maybe 30 or 40%, Dubya lower 25% (pointless war in Iraq, approving torture, etc.), Barack I dunno probably top 10-20% for Obamacare alone. For just "first two years" I'd rate Biden higher than any of them -- he just got more done. If it hadn't been for Manchin and Sinema, he might be rivalling LBJ or FDR in that regard...
-CW
Michale [14] -
I find myself VERY close to agreeing that, in the case of GA, President Trump may do more harm than good...
ok, now see we're approaching something we can agree on. In fact, I was thinking about asking you this, especially now that NV got called.
-CW
Michale [17] -
His Mid-East peace initiatives are enough to secure President Trump a benevolent place in the history books..
I actually can agree with this sentiment, although I wouldn't go as far. "benevolent footnote to a horrendous entry" maybe...
:-)
Seriously, Jared actually made some progress, I will give Trump credit for that.
-CW
Michale [27] -
On THAT score, yes.. President Trump has immeasurably decimated the Democrat Party... :D
Um, no. Trump's been the greatest boost the Democrats have seen in decades. Nothing motivates Democratic (and independent) voters like Trump. To go out and vote against him and all his ilk.
Heck, the Dems should offer to pay Trump's expenses to go hold a rally in GA right now!
:-)
-CW
nypoet22 [28] -
Michale: what he said.
:-)
-CW
Michale [58/59] -
Fixed the tag.
-CW
JFC [62] -
That is an excellent cite. I am starting to read it, and I appreciate your point. Perhaps it should be put "this is a new tactic, at least as far as being done overtly and in public," maybe that's the real change...
I still think it's going to bite Dems in the ass, sooner or later, though...
and (first paragraph), ok, I am finding it impossible to picture Clarie McCaskill shotgunning a beer... the mind just reels...
:-)
-CW
LWYH [75] -
Fixed your tag too...
-CW
MyVoice [84] -
He really said that? electron?
wow. There's like a whole quantum universe of jokes that that opens up!
:-)
Schrodinger's Trump: is his political career alive or dead? We'll see, this week, won't we?
-CW
Bleyd [87] -
Let's hope so!
:-)
-CW
MyVoice [91] -
I'm hoping Manchin and Sinema start bickering between each other. Maybe that'll provide the extra vote, who knows?
:-)
-CW
ok made it through...
My apologies to everyone for ruining Sunday night musicfest... it was purely a technical error and then me being exhausted all day yesterday, watching "The Map Show" until NV was called...
Anyway, glad to see things have improved hereabouts. It does my heart good. Although I am considering drawing some sort of limits around the endless and pointless abortion debate here, or at least curtailing it somewhat. Neither side's going to convince the other of anything, that's pretty much a given. Which some of us have known since about the 1980s...
anyway, sorry again...
-CW
@cw,
There's a reason we tend to gloss over that time period, and it's not our extreme humility. My bottom five in descending order:
5. Hoover - Mr bootstraps himself, completely and utterly abdicated his responsibility to do something about the great depression. Personally responsible for immense suffering on a national if not global scale.
4. Pierce - who pushed the fugitive slave act, didn't run for a second term, and spent Lincoln's presidency sniping from the sidelines? This guy.
3. Buchanan - confederacy? What confederacy? Move along, nothing to see here, just the nation destroying itself, la la la i can't hear you. Hapless, hopeless, utterly unsuited to lead the nation in any age, much less that one.
2. Harding - this guy's administration makes trump look positively honorable and trustworthy by comparison. Donald eat your heart out, the title belt for phoniest and most corrupt president still rests firmly around the waist of warren g harding.
1. Andrew Johnson - how do you counterbalance a ticket with someone like Lincoln, generally considered the best or near best president ever? That's right, run him with the most nasty, useless, racist, two faced, unrepentantly slave trading bastard ever to darken the oval office. Torpedo reconstruction, check. Re-establish racist state governments, check. Get impeached and damn near convicted, check. What's left to say?
Donald can't touch the depths of these dudes with a ten foot pole.
I'd agree with Harding, Johnson, and Hoover. Don't know enough about Pierce (other than a campaign slogan "We Pierced 'em in [year] and we'll Polk them in [year]!" Or Buchanan, for that matter.
No Nixon? Seriously?
-CW
Wouldn't Nixon be right behind Trump?
@liz,
nope.
@cw,
pierce has always been a bit under the radar, but i'm surprised you're not more familiar with buchanan. many historians regard buchanan as the worst president in history, bar none. i personally tend to weight malice and corruption more than incompetence, but they're both still pretty bad. pierce was a pro-slavery northerner, and i think jeff davis of confederate fame was his secretary of war. pierce also holds the dubious distinction of being the only elected sitting president to be denied his own party's nomination for re-election.
I mean, wouldn't you rate Nixon higher than Trump?
To be more clear, where would you rate Nixon in relation to Trump on the list of worst presidents ever? I'm confused ...
nypoet22
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This.
Bravo.