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Trump's Lawyers Flip On Him

[ Posted Wednesday, October 25th, 2023 – 15:02 UTC ]

The breaking political news today is that we finally (!) have a new speaker of the House. However, I have been so immersed in this story for the past three weeks that I'm going to take this opportunity to step back from the House GOP drama club for a day and focus on another story that's also been developing quickly. We'll all have plenty of time to discuss newly-sworn-in Speaker Mike Johnson in the days and weeks to come, after all.

While all of this has been playing out in Washington, Donald Trump has been sinking slowly into his various legal quagmires. The most prominent example comes from Georgia, where a total of four of his co-defendants have now turned state's evidence, accepted rather lenient plea deals, and pleaded guilty to various charges. This leaves 14 co-defendants who have not flipped yet -- but still could. That's a lot of other shoes that could drop, obviously (and some of them are very big shoes indeed).

The first person to plead guilty in the Georgia case (bail bondsman Scott Hall) was a fairly minor player, whose testimony probably won't be crucial in securing convictions on anyone else. But the next three were all lawyers who worked in some fashion or another for either Donald Trump or his re-election campaign. First to flip was Sidney Powell, known for her bombastic "I will release the kraken!" promise. Then came Kenneth Chesebro, who was followed swiftly by Jenna Ellis, who were both instrumental in the effort (led mostly by Rudy Giuliani) to convince state legislators and fake electors to somehow wave a magic wand and declare Trump had won their states (even though he had clearly lost all of them).

Powell, Chesebro, and Ellis are an impressive trio to get to plead guilty. They were all given very light sentences (small fines and probation, no jail time), being the first to make such deals (the earliest to flip always get the best deals from prosecutors, which is normal). But what will happen next is going to be interesting to see.

While there are other minor players in the group of Trump's 14 co-defendants, there are also some very big fish. Rudy Giuliani is definitely one of them. He wasn't some bit player in this scheme, he was one of the masterminds of the plot to create fake electors in multiple states in order to muddy the waters when Congress convened on January 6th. He was a driving force behind this effort, and Chesebro and Ellis worked closely with him on it. Their testimony might be incredibly damning to Rudy's case, obviously.

Giuliani has another problem as well -- he's apparently broke. He can't pay his lawyers' bills and Donald Trump is refusing to foot the bill for him. He is also facing multiple court cases -- the Georgia one is just the most serious (being a criminal case). He is being sued for millions of dollars (and even, in some cases, over a billion dollars) for all the defamation he spewed about voting machines and elections officials. So he's got lots of legal bills to pay. Also, if he loses any of these other cases, he'll have to pay out anything his lawyers have left him in his bank accounts, which will probably drive him into bankruptcy.

Could Giuliani be convinced to flip on Trump in Georgia? That's an interesting question. He would avoid a whole bunch of expensive legal bills by doing so, but he might not get such a sweet sentencing deal as the others. Jail time would be a real possibility, one assumes. And any testimony he gives in this case might guarantee him a loss in his various defamation cases.

There's a flip side (if you'll excuse the pun) to that question as well: would the district attorney even offer Rudy a plea deal, or is she more interested in nailing his scalp to her wall in court? Rudy is no bit player, so it'd be a lot harder to make the standard: "We have to flip the small fish to get the bigger fish" argument with him. Plenty of the people convicted of attacking American democracy on January 6th have drawn long jail sentences, so why shouldn't Rudy do the same? He's a pretty big fish in this pond, after all.

On the other hand, Rudy would also be an absolute treasure trove of evidence against Donald Trump. Rudy knows where all the bodies are buried, to use a mob term (appropriate, when all the defendants are facing RICO charges). If he actually did truthfully and fully testify to what he knows, Rudy could be the "smoking gun" in the entire case. That's a pretty big "if," though -- I could also see Rudy having massive memory problems when he gets on the stand: "I'm sorry, I just don't recall...."

Rudy Giuliani's not the only possible next domino to fall. There are others who must be anxiously reviewing everything they ever said in front of Powell, Chesebro, and Ellis, in order to get a handle on what sort of jeopardy they now face. John Eastman, Mark Meadows, and Jeff Clark all spring to mind. Meadows in particular, since he already may have flipped on Trump.

Last night, ABC News ran a scoop: Meadows had already flipped on Trump by testifying to the federal grand jury in the January 6th case, after being granted immunity for his testimony. At the very end of this story is the statement: "[A]n attorney for Meadows declined to comment to ABC News for this story." But then a lawyer for Meadows, George Terwilliger, told CBS News: "I told ABC that their story was largely inaccurate. People will have to judge for themselves the decision to run it anyway." This puts Meadows in a sort of Schrödinger's Cat state of uncertainty: has he testified or hasn't he?

Assuming for the sake of argument that he did take the immunity deal, it would mean Meadows would be a prime candidate for accepting a plea deal in Georgia as well. If he's already testified against Trump once, why shouldn't he do so again? Especially if he is offered the same sort of "Get out of jail free" card from Fani Willis, the prosecutor in Georgia.

John Eastman and Jeff Clark, however, may be in the same boat as Rudy. Meadows is positioning himself (if the ABC report is correct) as being peripheral to the actual scheme to overthrow an American presidential election. He's painted himself as a sort of bystander, just arranging meetings and whatnot, not an actual mastermind of any particular plot. For Eastman and Clark (as well as Giuliani), that is simply not an option. They were at the heart of these schemes to overturn the will of the people.

So what happens next in Georgia is going to be interesting. Some more of the minor players charged may decide the time is right to work out a lenient plea deal, which wouldn't be a direct threat to Trump but would show more momentum for the prosecution. The more guilty pleas the better, in other words. But the major characters will be the ones to watch. Three of Trump's lawyers have flipped on him -- with breathtaking speed. Who will be next? Will there even be a next? Or will Willis decide that cushy plea deals are only appropriate up to a certain level of criminality, and refuse to offer anything short of jail time to the bigger fish?

Notably, the defendants who demanded a speedy trial (which would have gotten underway this week) all flipped. This means Willis won't have to preview her main RICO case before the others are scheduled for trial. And, of course, this case isn't the only one Trump is currently fighting -- he faced Michael Cohen in a courtroom both yesterday and today (the first time in five years the two had been in the same room), and Trump was just hit with a $10,000 fine for violating the gag order in the same case.

What has been a little baffling to me in all of this is that the Georgia case is the only one filed against Trump that doesn't yet have a court date scheduled. Perhaps the defendants who demanded a speedy trial had to come first, for both the prosecution and the court system, but now that that's out of the way there doesn't seem to be anything preventing the judge setting a date for Donald Trump and the other 14 co-defendants to be tried.

Three of Trump's lawyers in this case have already flipped on him and will likely testify against him. Others may be in negotiations for their own plea deals with the prosecutor. These are all body blows to Trump's defense. And the one thing that seems absolutely certain in all this is that Fani Willis is not going to offer Donald Trump any sort of sweetheart plea deal. That is looking more and more certain with every Trump lawyer who flips.

-- Chris Weigant

 

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7 Comments on “Trump's Lawyers Flip On Him”

  1. [1] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    We'll all have plenty of time to discuss newly-sworn-in Speaker Mike Johnson in the days and weeks to come, after all.

    In light of recent history I wouldn’t wager on how long this guy lasts.

  2. [2] 
    dsws wrote:

    The lunatic fringe isn't getting rid of him: he's one of theirs. The "moderate" Republicans aren't getting rid of him: they don't want another round of speakerlessness. The Democrats aren't getting rid of him: he was never getting any of their votes to begin with So how would he get removed?

  3. [3] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    [2]

    Oh yeah? Would you wager that this guy will last longer than the last guy? With this GQP?

  4. [4] 
    andygaus wrote:

    At some point he will have to do something about the budget, and that will inevitably require some kind of dealings with people whose name I prefer not to mention but it starts with a D. That's how he will get removed.

  5. [5] 
    Kick wrote:

    CW

    Trump's Lawyers Flip On Him

    Au contraire mon frère! Because according to Poor Donald, none of those bottle-nosed dolphins -- I mean, flippers -- were ever actually lawyers of his. Now, I (think I) know what you're thinking: Donald simply "forgot" (again) that he previously claimed exactly the opposite (again) of what he's stating now... what we non con artists refer to as "pathological lying."

    As everyone (who isn't a Trump chump, rube, and/or has some functioning brain cells) actually already knows, Donald is a prolific "talker" who can't/won't stop "sharing" things on "social" media and won't/can't shut his (orange) blowhole. If you don't believe me, just ask any of his (alleged) lawyers (current or former) or "fixers" or (soon to be) ex-lawyers.

    A quick search of "X" -- formerly known as "Twitter" -- I call it "Xitter," and that "xi" is pronounced like "sh" as in "anxious," but come to think of it, "X" definitely fits because so many Twitter users are now "ex" users -- meaning they no longer post on Shitter -- I mean "X" or "Xitter" or whatever other people are calling it these days:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump

    I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend OUR RIGHT to FREE and FAIR ELECTIONS! Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!

    9:11 PM · Nov 14, 2020

    https://tinyurl.com/bdz4c5ya

    *
    Seems like there's always a Twit; although, I suppose technically, I should now be calling it a "Xit." Poor Donald, it must really suck to be a criminally felonious deranged old man who can't remember his shit.

    Giuliani has another problem as well -- he's apparently broke.

    That's because Giuliani has a deadbeat for a client who is famous for bullying and suing his way out of paying his debts to all manner of financial institutions, taxing authorities, business entities, lawyers/fixers, and individuals... vendors, employees, etc. Rudy knowingly worked (litigated, lied) for Deadbeat Donald so he's got no one to blame but himself.

    He can't pay his lawyers' bills and Donald Trump is refusing to foot the bill for him.

    Deadbeat Donald hasn't paid many of his own lawyers' bills (Guiliani, Ellis, Powell, etc.) so why would Trump pay Guiliani's lawyers' bills? Rhetorical question.

    Last night, ABC News ran a scoop: Meadows had already flipped on Trump by testifying to the federal grand jury in the January 6th case, after being granted immunity for his testimony.

    If I had to hazard a guess (let's pretend I have to), I would wager that since Meadows is (to date) NOT an unnamed player in the federal DC J6 case of Jack Smith, I think he also isn't exactly a flipper who is cooperating with prosecutors but was given a limited grant of immunity in order to secure actual testimony. In other words, anything to which he testified that would incriminate himself would/could not be used by prosecutors unless (of course) he gave false testimony. That's not cooperating or flipping; it's simply agreeing to provide actual information (NOT take the Fifth) in exchange for not being prosecuted.

    Other than all that, how's things? ;)

  6. [6] 
    Kick wrote:

    MtnCaddy
    1

    In light of recent history I wouldn’t wager on how long this guy lasts.

    I wouldn't wager either, but not for the same reasons (I think) you are meaning. :)

  7. [7] 
    Kick wrote:

    dsws
    2

    The lunatic fringe isn't getting rid of him: he's one of theirs. The "moderate" Republicans aren't getting rid of him: they don't want another round of speakerlessness. The Democrats aren't getting rid of him: he was never getting any of their votes to begin with So how would he get removed?

    Exactly this. I would wager that multiple factions of the Castrated Caucus believe they've got somebody they can lead around by the nose. Time will tell.

    But one look at this guy's political beliefs points to the likely outcome that Mike Johnson is the new "Nancy Pelosi"... that is, I mean, in regards to political advertising. The ads write themselves.

    Mike Johnson proposed trillions of dollars in cuts to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Somebody notify Empty Green, Boebert and the GOP idiots in Congress so they'll stop screaming at President Biden for stating facts that are easily verifiable:

    https://mikejohnson.house.gov/sites/mikejohnson.house.gov/files/final%20rsc%20fy%202020%20for%20print.pdf

    Multimillionaire Mike believes that abortion should be banned even in cases of rape and incest. He's blamed Roe v. Wade for robbing the United States of "able-bodied workers" and therefore depriving Social Security.

    So forced births -- even in cases of rape and incest -- are necessary to fund Social Security. They want trillions of dollars in cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Today's GOP; they own this agenda. The ads write themselves.

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