Biden's Farewell Address
That headline is not technically accurate, since President Joe Biden will doubtlessly deliver some sort of farewell address at the end of his term next January. But history will mark tonight as the one that counted -- the one where Biden informed the American public that he will no longer seek a second term in office and will thus be a lame-duck president for the next six months. Which, again, is not even strictly accurate, since Biden made his initial bombshell announcement last Sunday. But he was sidelined with a case of COVID-19 and wanted to wait until his voice had recovered, so tonight was chosen for Biden's true swansong speech.
By selflessly choosing to step aside in favor of his much-younger vice president, Joe Biden made history. His legacy is now secure. Had he continued his run against Donald Trump and lost, many angry Democrats would have blamed Biden for the hubris of assuming that only he could beat Trump. That is no longer the case. Kamala Harris will either sink or swim on her own, and nobody can say Biden selfishly failed to make way for someone else to prosecute the case against Trump.
As many have already noted, such selflessness is a rare thing in presidential politics. The last time something similar happened was in 1968, when President Lyndon Johnson voluntarily stepped aside. Obviously, things didn't turn out well for Democrats in that election year, but because it is such a rare event that cannot be seen as an indicator of what will happen this year.
Biden's speech -- only the fourth primetime Oval Office speech he has given -- ran for only 11 minutes. In it, he spoke of his legacy, the stakes in the upcoming election, and why he decided to step aside.
Biden's voice was a little raspy tonight, but got stronger as time went by. He did have a few notable stumbles reading the speech, but that's about par for the course with Biden (which has always been true, for him, due to his childhood stutter).
This wasn't (not quite) a real campaign speech. Biden didn't mention Donald Trump by name a single time, and only once name-checked Vice President Kamala Harris at the very end, without specifically saying anything like: "Go vote for her!"
But this is an election year and politics is at the heart of his decision to drop out, so he did hit several themes familiar from the campaign trail. Just from the first couple minutes, Biden used phrases such as: "Presidents are not kings," and said he was stepping down "in defense of democracy, which is at stake." As he has done since he took office, he said America is at "an inflection point" between voting for democracy and voting for someone who promises to be a dictator on Day One. He laid all this out as a choice between voting for democracy and against hatred.
But, Biden admitted, the best way for him to do that was to pass the torch to "younger voices." He stated that while he believed he deserved a second term after what he accomplished in his first, "nothing can come in the way of saving democracy, not even personal ambition."
Biden summarized the accomplishments of his own legacy and he spoke of things he still felt he could achieve in his remaining time as president. He spoke of the general Democratic platform for the next four years (without getting overly specific or detailed).
Joe Biden has accomplished a lot. He passed several sweeping pieces of legislation during his first two years in office, when he had a Democratic Congress to work with. He pulled the American economy out of the spiral that the COVID-19 pandemic caused. He has seen more new jobs added than any president ever. All the experts predicted Biden would have a recession, and they were all wrong -- it simply did not happen. All of that is a record any president would be proud of.
Biden ended where he began the speech -- with a call to save American democracy. "The choice is up to you, the American people" Biden said, before once again presenting the election as a choice between heading into a bright future or retreating to a very dark past. "History is in your hands, the power is in your hands" he told the voters, as he passed the torch to his vice president to carry on in this fight.
One way or another, clips of this speech will doubtlessly be played for decades to come. It is a rare event indeed for a one-term American president to not be on the ticket for a second term. Being president -- everything you've got to go through to get there -- requires an enormous amount of ambition and an outsized ego. Biden is no different, and you could tell it absolutely pained him not to finish his final race.
But Biden also showed that he can gracefully accept reality and bow to it when things don't go his way. He showed selflessness and putting the country's best interests ahead of his own ambitions. As mentioned, Kamala Harris will now either succeed or fail on her own. So far, the Democratic Party has unified in almost unprecedented fashion behind her. In only a few days, Harris has brought excitement and enthusiasm back to millions of Democratic voters.
Biden's legacy will largely be determined by whether or not Harris beats Trump. If she manages to do so, then Trump won't enter office and petulantly dismantle every singe thing Biden accomplished, just through spite. Instead, Biden's legacy will remain intact for at least four more years and Harris will build on it (hopefully for years to come).
All of this is now possible because Joe Biden decided that the time was come for him to say farewell to the race. He will have six more months to get a few other things done, and he will eventually give another final speech as he exits office. But my guess is that everyone will remember tonight's as Biden's farewell address to the nation.
-- Chris Weigant
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It was a good speech. He showed he still has enough marbles to finish out his tern and much more coherent than that last many Trump speeches while showing quite obviously that he does not have the strength for the campaign trail or another four year term...
His decision was the correct one.
even if it were the "right decision," which I'm not so sure of, the degree to which he was coerced to make it is not acceptable.
And his decision to step aside for the sake of our Republic highlights the character gap between the Dems and the Party of Putin.
Coerced or convinced? I would say convinced after the debate and tonight...
nypoet22
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I’m with you on both was this really necessary? and the ”they” forced him out issues. I was hunky dory with Joe and I’m equally hunky dory with Kamala (or a tuna fish sandwich). But when we vote for President we are electing a whole team and a governing philosophy, not just one person.
Kamala and the Dems are lucky that Trump is such a flawed candidate because she’s almost a shoo-in to finally shatter that glass ceiling.
@caddy,
I wish I were as confident as you are about November. hopefully we'll see more of Maya. Rudolph on SNL.
@poet
It’s straight up math. Trump lost in 2020 and that was before January 6th and the J6 Commission, Dobbs et alia, indictments and now convictions and…Project 2025. Even if he was still running against Joe, just where is Trump going to find the votes?
For the record, the last President to enjoy such a splendid midterms before Joe in 2022 was…Ronald Reagan. I expect Kamala to enjoy a similar tsunami as did Reagan in 1984.
@Dan
Well, I think it's pretty likely that that's how SCOTUS will see it. Otherwise they'll have to come up with a whole new "reason" why their guy is absolutely immune.
It's not the ACTIONS that are the point here.. The ACTIONS took place before President Trump was president...
But the EVIDENCE of those actions, the EVIDENCE that made up the entire persecutions case, came from when President Trump was in office in early 2017..
According to the SCOTUS' ABSOLUTE/PRESUMPTIVE IMMUNITY that President Trump has (Thanx Demcorats!!! :D) that evidence is inadmissible..
And, with that evidence being inadmissible, the entire case is non-existent.
So, based on these facts, Merchan will have no choice to vacate the entire case AND the verdict.. Just as Merchan had no choice but to accept President Trump's demand to push the sentencing til Sep so that President Trump's legal team can file the proper motions..
Even if Demcorat Chukan somehow dodges the SCOTUS ruling, President Trump will simply appeal it back to the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS will simply put their stamp of approval on whatever President Trump wants..
THANK YOU HARRY REID!!! :D Demcorats helping President Trump!!! :D
I tell ya... When Demcorats really want to help President Trump win the election, they don't mess around!!! :D
By selflessly choosing to step aside in favor of his much-younger vice president, Joe Biden made history.
Oh, com on CW!! "Selflessly" my arse!!!
Basement Biden was FORCED out... Plain and simple. You know, I know it.. EVERYONE knows it..
His legacy is now secure.
Yes, his legacy is secure.. A quitter who was forced to go by his own people because he got beat by President Trump..
THAT is Basement Biden's legacy...
That is no longer the case. Kamala Harris will either sink or swim on her own,
Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together knows that Headboard Harris will sink...
That's as much a given as night following day...
As many have already noted, such selflessness is a rare thing in presidential politics. The last time something similar happened was in 1968, when President Lyndon Johnson voluntarily stepped aside.
If Basement Biden had voluntarily stepped aside as Johnson did, you would have a point..
But he didn't, so you don't..
But Biden also showed that he can gracefully accept reality and bow to it when things don't go his way.
You mean stabbed in the back by the people he trusted most.. :eyeroll:
I get it.. I really do.. Ya'all have had a REALLY tough few weeks so it's understandable that ya'all would want to put as much lipstick on this pig as ya'all can..
But you can use all the lipstick in the world, but guess what?? At the end of the day... It's still just a pig...
JL
even if it were the "right decision," which I'm not so sure of, the degree to which he was coerced to make it is not acceptable.
Exactly... This wasn't a dignified Basement Biden selflessly making the decision for the good of the country.
It was a petulant Basement Biden pissed off that he got stabbed in the back by his own people..
I wish I were as confident as you are about November.
Don't worry.. Yer on the winning side.. Headboard Harris doesn't stand a chance.
Cad,
And his decision to step aside for the sake of our Republic highlights the character gap between the Dems and the Party of Putin.
You DO realize that it's the DEMCORATS who are the Party of Putin, right??
It's the DEMCORATS who are following Putin's Playbook on how to deal with political opponents right up to AND including the Navalny option..
You DO realize that, right??? :eyeroll:
I was hunky dory with Joe and I’m equally hunky dory with Kamala (or a tuna fish sandwich).
Which simply proves that you are a DEMCORAT and NOT a patriotic American..
You would rather see this country destroyed by having a tuna fish sandwich as POTUS..
Your hate for President Trump is so great that you would rather destroy this country than accept that he is going to be POTUS..
It's so sad... Maybe it's from all the drugs you take, I dunno…
But it's sad and I pity you...
It’s straight up math. Trump lost in 2020 and that was before January 6th and the J6 Commission, Dobbs et alia, indictments and now convictions and…Project 2025. Even if he was still running against Joe, just where is Trump going to find the votes?
You are obviously not up on current events...
Hispanics and black Americans are leaving the Demcorat by the MILLIONS..
Black American support for President Trump is up over 30%.... Hispanic American support for President Trump is up over 60%...
Americans won't elect a home-wrecking slut as President..
Especially a home-wrecking slut who throws marijuana smokers in jail with the maximum sentence...
Your delusions don't trump reality, son.. You better get used to the idea that President Trump will be your President come 20 Jan 25.. :D
It's amazing that Demcorats never seem to learn from their mistakes..
This was made very obvious by their manipulations of the judicial review process that gave this country the GLORIOUS 6-3 Conservative SCOTUS that gave President Trump ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY over official acts and PRESUMPTIVE IMMUNITY over unofficial acts.. :D
And now Democrats are repeating the LET'S HAVE A CORONATION mistake...
They did that with senile dementia-riddled Basement Biden in the 2020 primary and they repeated that exact same mistake in the 2024 primary...
Now that the senile dementia-riddled "secret" got out Demcorats are, once again, holding a coronation for the town home-wrecking slut, Headboard Harris.
Demcorats just NEVER learn from their mistakes, eh? :D
Oh well.. It simply insures that President Trump will return for his much-awaited second term.. :D
Basement Biden is no hero. He does not merit the accolades he has received. His decision to withdraw was not driven by noble principles but by being stabbed in the back by Democrat leaders and recognizing he simply had no path forward to continue his campaign. Basement Biden is nothing but a politician whose times had passed a long time ago. Notions of decency, patriotism, or heroism played no part in his actions.
When we falsely praise Basement Biden's decision as morally wise, we not only disrespect genuine heroes but also hinder our understanding of political realities.
And let's not forget.. Demcorats just disenfranchised 14+ MILLION Democrat voters and ignored their votes for Basement Biden in order to coronate Headboard Harris...
Defenders of democracy???
BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sheeya, right!! :eyeroll:
Biden's legacy will largely be determined by whether or not Harris beats Trump. If she manages to do so, then Trump won't enter office and petulantly dismantle every single thing Biden accomplished, just through spite. Instead, Biden's legacy will remain intact for at least four more years and Harris will build on it (hopefully for years to come).
Well, isn't that rich.
You didn't say a word about who would be responsible if Harris doesn't beat Trump. But, then again, I suppose you don't agree that all those who coerced Biden into leaving the ticket would all share in part of that responsibility, do you?
Of course, not. ;)
So, based on these facts, Merchan will have no choice to vacate the entire case AND the verdict.. Just as Merchan had no choice but to accept President Trump's demand to push the sentencing til Sep so that President Trump's legal team can file the proper motions.
Except Trump's team has already submitted the appeal and that argument is not brought up at all. The appeal is flimsy, likely to be shot down and just designed to delay. Maybe they appeal again up to the next court but old felonious Trump gets to keep his convicted felon moniker at least through the election and hopefully in to a prison cell, though most likely community service and a fine...
Basement Biden was FORCED out... Plain and simple. You know, I know it.. EVERYONE knows it..
Do they? Just because you say it is as flimsy as always...
Yes, his legacy is secure.. A quitter who was forced to go by his own people because he got beat by President Trump..
Don't you mean Trump got beat by a black Asian woman making him a two time loser?
Anyone with more than 2 brain cells to rub together knows that Headboard Harris will sink...
But those with more than three brain cells can see the tide is changing...
You DO realize that it's the DEMCORATS who are the Party of Putin, right??
Is that why Putin was afraid of Hillary? Come on that doesn't even pass the smell test. You really are desperate...
Black American support for President Trump is up over 30%.... Hispanic American support for President Trump is up over 60%...
Haven't see recent polls for Hispanics but he has completely lost his black gains according to a poll this morning and it's only been a few days...
Defenders of democracy???
Yes. Read your own posts. Your opinion of SCOTUS in this very thread shows you have no respect for it. Patriotic my ass. Anti American more like it...
And it looks like JD Vance has pissed off the swifties. Really bad move there, you don't piss off swifties...
as if all this matters. in all likelihood trump will be president again, and a felon permanently. even this scotus won't overrule the jurisdiction of NY state on such a minor charge. probably.
Defeatist attitudes don't win elections. Luckily the rest of the country has renewed optimism and will get this done without your help. The young vote and Trump is toast...
During his Wednesday rally in Charlotte, North Carolina, Trump appeared to explain why he keeps praising the character, saying it was because they are "real stories."
They go crazy when I say the late, great Hannibal Lecter. They say, 'Why would he mention Hannibal Lecter? He must be cognitively in trouble.' No. These are real stories. Hannibal Lecter from 'Silence of the Lamb,' is a lovely man. He wants to have you for dinner," he said.
-Felonious Trump
Creepy...Yup, cognitively in trouble is right. "real stories" ha, the dude can't tell fact from fiction...
not exactly defeatist. just angry and able to see the odds clearly. I absolutely hope i'm wrong, but because of the culture and demographics of key swing states, Kamala practically needs an inside straight to win this.
Liz,
Well, isn't that rich.
Iddn't it though!? :D
But, then again, I suppose you don't agree that all those who coerced Biden into leaving the ticket would all share in part of that responsibility, do you?
Of course, not. ;)
Amazing how "Party Unity" is whatever Demcorats say it is, eh? :D
Basement Biden is the cat's meow... Right up until Demcorat elites realize Basement Biden can't win...
Then Demcorat elites knife Basement Biden in the back and coronate the new candidate...
Protecting democracy, my ass.... It's simply about protecting Demcorat power and to hell with democracy...
Looks like President Trump and his supporters are the good guys these days...
Funny how that is, eh?? :D
JL,
as if all this matters. in all likelihood trump will be president again,
Yep.. Happy days will be here again! :D
and a felon permanently. even this scotus won't overrule the jurisdiction of NY state on such a minor charge. probably.
Sure they will.. As every Demcorat has said, the SCOTUS is in the bag for President Trump...
SCOTUS will fall in line over anything President Trump wants...
At least, according to Demcorats…
So.... :D :D :D
not exactly defeatist. just angry and able to see the odds clearly.
Yep.. yep.. yep...
but because of the culture and demographics of key swing states, Kamala practically needs an inside straight to win this.
And, considering how she ran her OWN Presidential Campaign in 2020...
That just ain't in the cards.. :D
It would take a miracle... and the Germans have outlawed miracles.
~casablanca
About the only way Headboard Harris would stand a chance is if Demcorats succeeded with their Navalny option...
But if THAT happened, I am betting Demcorats would be too busy getting their asses kicked in Civil War 2.0 and wouldn't have much time to run a decent campaign...
Anger is the antithesis of clarity. You are just feeding the troll like the alien in the TOS Star Trek episode Day of the Dove ...
It would take a miracle... and the Germans have outlawed miracles.
Uh...have you ever watched that movie or seen it's ending?
yes, i've seen casablanca many times. related but unrelated, I grew up with Peter Lorre's nephew. anyhow, while Hollywood endings are possible, they're the exception not the rule.
as to anger and clarity, they are not opposites. anger can make one's view either more or less clear, depending on how one channels it.
Six House Dems vote with GOP to condemn Kamala Harris for 'border czar' role
Vice President Kamala Harris became Democrats' presumptive presidential nominee this week
The House of Representatives voted along bipartisan lines to condemn Vice President Kamala Harris' handling of the U.S. southern border, the first piece of legislation targeting Harris since she became the Democrats' presumptive 2024 nominee.
Six Democrats joined all Republicans in voting for the measure, which passed 220-196.
The House Democrats who voted for the resolution are Reps. Jared Golden, D-Maine, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, D-Wash., Mary Peltola, D-Alaska, Henry Cuellar, D-Texas, Don Davis, D-N.C., and Yadira Caraveo, D-Colo.
For years, Republicans have accused Harris of failing her job as "border czar" after President Biden handed her the task of mitigating the "root causes" of illegal immigration in 2021.
It's quickly becoming the cornerstone of GOP-led attacks against Harris as she gears up for an expected head-to-head race with former President Trump. But the six moderate Democrats who voted to condemn Harris amount to a scathing rebuke of their party's likely presidential candidate – despite dozens of left-wing lawmakers rushing to endorse her.
BI PARTISAN condemnation of Headboard Harris for totally frak'ing up her job to fix the border..
It is as I said.. Headboard Harris **FAILED** at EVERY job she was given as VP...
Looks like Basement Biden is going to have the last laugh..
He saddled the Demcorats who stabbed him in the back with a poison pill named Headboard Harris... :D
How HILARIOUS is that!!?? :D :D :D
anyhow, while Hollywood endings are possible, they're the exception not the rule.
You know in real life the allies beat the Nazi's and won WWII, right?
The border "czar" is red herring and has been debunked. Biden gave Harris a more limited immigration-related assignment in 2021, asking her to lead diplomacy with El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras in an attempt to address the conditions that prompted their citizens to try to migrate to the United States.
Your guy on the other hand blocked the bipartisan border bill purely to benefit himself. He doesn't give a rats ass about the border, only about his reelection...
now who needs the plot of Casablanca explained?
now who needs the plot of Casablanca explained?
Hehehehehehehe
the allies won world war 2 at the cost of over 50,000,000 lives. just as the Holocaust had survivors, sometimes people beat the odds. it's great to hope that one can, but not to be unrealistic and fail to plan for the likelihood.
Your argument/quote is the Germans have outlawed miracles. The miracle happened at the end of the movie by Rick making sure it happened. He worked for it. Just like the allies worked for defeating the Nazis. Rick was not defeatist, at least in the later part of the movie. The allies were not defeatist. You are defeatist. The darkest hours can be over come by working for it. In movies and in reality.
Renault:
Well, Rick, you're not only a sentimentalist, but you've become a patriot.
Rick:
Maybe, but it seemed like a good time to start.
Maybe it's your time to start as well...
defeatist would be to stop trying. realistic is to accept what the challenge actually is, and try not to dig oneself any deeper.
Have you been paying attention to what is going on at all? The tide is turning. In the polls. In enthusiasm. In support. You might try digging up, your head seems to be buried deep in the sand...
it's still over three months until the election, and Harris is currently in a bit of a honeymoon period, which will end next month after the convention. i'm hopeful now, just as I was hopeful before all this went down.
however, creative insults directed toward me and my perspective will not change the reality that we've changed candidates mid-campaign and done so through the coercion of a sitting president, based on little more than conjecture, and him being old and a lousy speaker.
i'm still not voting for trump, but I live in New York, and you guys are being both scarily unrealistic about our chances and deluded about how this is going to impact the electorate in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Michigan.
however, creative insults directed toward me and my perspective will not change the reality that we've changed candidates mid-campaign and done so through the coercion of a sitting president, based on little more than conjecture, and him being old and a lousy speaker.
Exactly... Headboard Harris was the Demcorat joke under Basement Biden's reign...
NOW all of the sudden she is the cat's meow??
but I live in New York, and you guys are being both scarily unrealistic about our chances and deluded about how this is going to impact the electorate in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Michigan.
Exactly... If you feel this way in deep DEEP blue New York... Imagine how it's going to play in purple PA or NV or red GA or AZ??
Anyone who believes Headboard Harris actually has a real chance is simply delusionally wish-casting..
It's not an insult when it's true and we have a ton of posts demonstrating that truth. Unlike your coercion accusations which are merely conjecture on your part.
This is something that has never happened in the history of the country. We are in entirely new territory, your models and odds don't count for jack.
What does New York have to do with it? I have family in Manhattan and New Jersey they are enthusiastic about what's going on.
And yes I will continue to criticize defeatism without remorse or regret...
US Park Police union chairman blames Biden admin for staffing issues during anti-Israel protests
The head of the Fraternal Order of Police for the U.S. Park Police said it was “disheartening” to hear members of Congress and the media say officers gave anti-Israel agitators a “pass” during Wednesday's chaotic protests in Washington while blaming the Biden administration for staffing issues.
Chairman Kenneth Spencer said law enforcement made several arrests despite only having 29 officers available with no additional help from the Department of Interior.
“That's why it's so disheartening to hear some Members of Congress and members of the media, many of whom describe themselves as ‘champions’ of law enforcement, suggesting that officers gave protesters a ‘pass’ or that insufficient arrests were made,” Spencer said in a Thursday statement. “Nothing could be further from the truth.”
The 29 officers available arrested 10 people while being assaulted by a mob of thousands, Spencer said. He said the agency didn't have the proper staffing or resources.
In an interview with the New York Post, the union chief said protesters started threw objects that had “a very strong smell of feces” but that no one was hit.
“The Interior Department and the National Park Service have stood in the way of congressional action on the US Park Police Modernization Act which would solve many of these issues for decades to come,” said Spencer.
Basement Biden and Headboard Harris....
Still the Hate Cops, Hate Israel administration...
Says the party trying to de-fund the FBI...
President Trump's would-be assassin was a Basement Biden supporter..
NEW: Thomas Matthew Crooks made nine posts on Gab supporting President Biden, COVID lockdowns, and Biden's border policies, according to Gab Founder Andrew Torba (
@BasedTorba
).
"Im sorry explain to me how trump was ever concerned with what the left wanted, or anybody in the GOP for that matter?"
"The reason all the deaths are down is because you are in stuck in your house."
"Actually the executive order allows an easier path to US citizenship therefore no longer making them illegals and allowing children to join their already legalized immigrant parents in the US."
"first of all Biden executive orders don't incentivize human trafficking as human traffickers aren't interested in citizenships, likewise the majority of illegal immigrants are not criminals and in fact some studies(such as the one linked below) show lower rates of crime committed by these individuals, it is also unclear if the extensive path to citizenship is in fact effective at routing out potential bad actors hence why there is a review of that system."
"Thats funny because the first order mandates a reuniting of any families separated at the border, the 2nd and 3rd orders a review of trumps immigration policies and other previous policies. However his order doesn't actually open borders or reduce the authority of border patrol, or anything that would substantially reduce BP effectiveness."
The platform is a haven for neo-nazis (socialists) where the scumbag assassin voiced his support for Basement Biden, COVID lockdowns and Demcorat immigration policies...
Demcorats... The Party of political assassins...
...neo-nazis (socialists)...
Neo-nazis are socialists? Dam dude, you have just topped yourself as the most stupid thing you have ever posted here.
The gab guy also said in the same post:
Approximately 30 minutes ago, Gab learned that Thomas Crooks, the deranged Joe Biden supporter who attempted to assassinate President Donald Trump, may have had an account on our platform. We are unable to confirm that the account in question actually belonged to him.
I wonder why you left that out? Hmm...
@bashi,
my opinion on the likelihood of the change in candidates right now resulting in a win for democrats in November is not at all indicative of my overall attitude toward victory or defeat, just my intuitive sense about which way five states are likely to lean (or not) as a result. you can opine all you like to the contrary, but it's still YOUR opinion about MY opinion, which "the truth" has exactly nothing to do with. MY opinion about YOUR opinion is that you're being a jackass and claiming a monopoly on the truth just because i'm not ready to drink the Kamala-ade just yet.
@m,
yeah, neo-nazis and socialists are quite literally opposites.
JL
NAZI = National Socialist German Workers' Party
Doesn't sound so opposite to me...
:D
The fact is, progressives and fascists have a LOT in common...
As the 22+ (collectively) of Demcorat BLM and AntiFa riots and attacks on hundreds of government buildings has shown us..
MY opinion about YOUR opinion is that you're being a jackass and claiming a monopoly on the truth just because i'm not ready to drink the Kamala-ade just yet.
Welcome to your new Demcorat Party...
Drink the Kamala-aid or your attacked and vilified...
Are you REALLY surprised??
You HAD to see that this is where Demcorats were heading, eh??
"The truth" is about a line like:
as if all this matters. in all likelihood trump will be president again...
In any reasonable analysis that is defeatist. Sure, you can pop "defeatist" into your favorite thesaurus and come up with a more palatable word, but to-may-to, to-mah-to it's going to basically mean the same thing.
And of course you have every right to be defeatist, just as I have every right to criticize that. If that is being a jackass, then so be it, I would be far from the first around here or even the first in this thread. Though, you have been pushed around "coercion" like it is an accepted fact but without really backing that up. Is that really any different?
Michale,
Do we really have to give you the long German history of why exactly they chose that name?
Poet and Bashi,
Will somebody please tell me where Trump is going to find the votes to beat Kamala? I want to know which specific demographics are going to leave the 81 million voted against Trump in 2020. Black men? Yeah, right. Non-MAGA Repugs? Nikki Haley never stopped pulling votes from Trump. Suburban women? Who?
Joe would have beaten Trump even more spectacularly than the last election and Kamala will enjoy a Reaganesqe-level blowout this time around. Talk me out of this, guys! Just WHO (and WHY) is going to jump to Trump?
Please be specific.
Otherwise, please be advised that y’all are victims of conventional wisdom. Groupthink. Trump blew up traditional politics in 2016 and kept Triangulation Hillary out of office — a GODSEND to the Progressive Democrats IMO.
Trump made it clear on J6 that winning the GOP Primary should have been enough to keep him in power. In other words, Trump is telling Independents “your vote shouldn’t count”.
So, do you believe Independents will vote to take away their own votes?
Where is Trump going to find the votes?
I thought the speech was good.
He showed selflessness and putting the country's best interests ahead of his own ambitions.
What a contrast between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, though. Trump loses the 2020 election and loses his shit, commits all manner of crimes in an attempt to remain in the office, violating his oath and shredding the constitution, thinking only of himself and his pathetic ego... while Biden does what he believes is best for the country.
Tells you everything you need to know. :)
@Kick
Sho’ yo right. My favorite cracker YouTube guy Beau of the Fifth Column thinks this speech will define Joe in history and that he chose to center it on our Constitutional Republic and the American Way rather than just tooting his own horn so much.
This is as stark a contrast as they come. But there will be sharper contrasts than this between now and November.
It's not the ACTIONS that are the point here.. The ACTIONS took place before President Trump was president...
The vast majority of the evidence, including testimony, covers the unofficial act.
But the EVIDENCE of those actions, the EVIDENCE that made up the entire persecutions case, came from when President Trump was in office in early 2017..
Absolute bullshit. You can keep repeating it, but it won't change the testimony and documents in evidence. It also won't magically make Trump's business fraud magically turn into an "official act" of the president.
According to the SCOTUS' ABSOLUTE/PRESUMPTIVE IMMUNITY that President Trump has (Thanx Demcorats!!! :D) that evidence is inadmissible..
Incorrect. Committing fraud in your private business records isn't an "official act" of the presidency.
And, with that evidence being inadmissible, the entire case is non-existent.
*laughs* Trump's lawyers didn't even make that claim! They also didn't claim immunity in a timely manner. Even if the conduct for which Trump is a 34-time convicted felon did constitute an "official act," the SCOTUS ruling also states unequivocally: "But of course the prosecutor may point to the public record to show the fact that the President performed the official act. And the prosecutor may admit evidence of what the President allegedly demanded, received, accepted, or agreed to receive or accept in return for being influenced in the performance of the act.... What the prosecutor may not do, however, is admit testimony or private records of the President or his advisers probing the official act itself."
So, based on these facts,
What facts?
Merchan will have no choice to vacate the entire case AND the verdict.. Just as Merchan had no choice but to accept President Trump's demand to push the sentencing til Sep so that President Trump's legal team can file the proper motions..
They'd already filed their motion, and the prosecutors didn't have a problem with Merchan moving the sentencing date in order to hash this out, so with no objection, Merchan moved the date. Merchan definitely has a choice whether or not to accept the asinine argument that the verdict has to be vacated when there are mountains of evidence besides the evidence Trump's lawyers are trying to have tossed, and it sure as hell isn't all of the evidence. Trump's lawyers only requested that some of the evidence be tossed, and it's a sliver of the massive amounts of admitted evidence. They'd look like absolute morons if they tried to have all of the evidence tossed and would be laughed out of court.
Even if Demcorat Chukan somehow dodges the SCOTUS ruling, President Trump will simply appeal it back to the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS will simply put their stamp of approval on whatever President Trump wants..
They've already stipulated that certain actions Trump took would not constitute official acts... so I would not hold my breath waiting for that entire case to be thrown out.
MtnCaddy-
Basically, the polls have Trump winning the 6 magic swing states or at least enough of them, thus no matter what the final vote count, Trump wins the electrical college. Much like Hillary got more votes in 2016. If the election was held today and you believe the polls. I personally think the big issue with that is the young vote is likely heavily suppressed due to a serious lack of enthusiasm due to the age of the two candidates, which obviously has just radically changed. I also think that calling an election before the DNC or even the August silly season is ridiculous. Way too much could and probably will happen in the next three months to either or both sides.
As to who changed their mind, who died off, who picked up voters just coming of age. Who knows. Polling can sleuth out some of that information but probably not all.
Even Hollywood was not even slightly enthusiastic about this election and the DNC was going to get only slightly better than Hulk Hogan and Kid Rock. Now that has completely changed. Sure there is a current honeymoon with upticks in he polls. Kamala is still below Trump but has caught up to the margin of error in a lot of places. And as Chris said a few columns ago, nothing is going to be meaningful until at least a week out from the shake up.
Personally I think Kamala is well within striking distance, and has an advantage of only having to keep up enthusiasm for a little over three months rather than the ten or more months of a typical campaign. It sounds like Hollywood and national democrats are really stepping up and plan to campaign for Kamala. And the effects of the details Project 2025 are just starting to hit the mainstream. Nothing is guaranteed but I am optimistic...
MtnCaddy
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Beau knows his stuff.
This is as stark a contrast as they come. But there will be sharper contrasts than this between now and November.
Well, Donald Trump is definitely the old man now so we have the prosecutor versus the convicted felon. Is America really ready for an old man convicted felon as president?
I hope everybody noticed how the felonious old man didn't even get the usual convention bump... nothing. I have it on good authority that this was actually by design. The Democrats and Biden actually outmaneuvered the Republicans.
@bashi,
"as if all this matters" was specifically in response to your comment on "pissing off the Swifties." it seemed like perhaps not the most influential constituency in terms of actual votes cast. "the truth" is that a LOT of Democrats put a LOT of pressure on Joe Biden to withdraw, and there is plenty of hard print evidence to support this conclusion, not just unfounded rumors. in MY OPINION, this process DECREASED our chances of winning both the white house and both houses of Congress. You can disagree with my conclusions on the ability of Kamala Harris to win Wisconsin or the political clout of Taylor Swift, but it's jackassery of the first degree to overgeneralize that to my attitude regarding every single political development to come in the next three-plus months.
@caddy,
Donald doesn't need any more votes than the ones he got last time. And considering how fired up his people are after he was almost assassinated and made it into one hell of a photo-op, low information voters might just like what they see and not bother reading the fine print.
In response to this, Kamala needs every single solitary vote that Joe got to hold Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada, not to mention Minnesota, Virgina New Hampshire and New Mexico. And people who (thanks to Joe Biden) have full-time jobs again may have busy lives and not manage quite the same turnout as they did when they were quarantined for COVID. I'm not saying it's impossible, but you need to be a lot more realistic about the scale of the task.
JL
Your post did not come off as related to the swifties as I thought it common knowledge that Taylor Swift has had some pretty impressive get out the vote drives for younger voters recently. Last year on voter registration day she directed the most traffic vote.org ever had. 13,000 new voters every 30 minutes and a total of over 150,000 new voters for the drive. When Vance called Kamala a cat lady, swifties took offense and started their own voter registration and fund raising drive without Taylor's help. Considering the new votes Kamala needs likely will be young and first time voters, dismiss swifties at your peril. Plus it was far from your first defeatist post. I think the first one was you and your dad deciding Biden/Harris had little to no chance and it came off like it was "written" which considering it's only July, rubbed me the wrong way.
a LOT of Democrats put a LOT of pressure on Joe Biden to withdraw
There is a difference between coercion and convincing. One implies force. If you have proof of that force please post it.
I treated what you wrote as I would anyone else here. If that is "jackassery", oh well.
my dad (who is himself a hardcore labour partisan who immigrated from the UK) did predict a trump win, in 2016, 2020 and this year, and his attitude is not defeatist either. he just listens more closely than most people, and is one of the most intelligent judges of human behavior i've ever met. this is the first of the three elections when i think he's probably right, but that's not as if it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. i will do whatever I reasonably can (precious little due to other personal developments, but I will try) to help defeat donald in november, and have said as much.
"defeatist" at least in my definition means not doing anything to try to prevent the disaster one sees on the horizon. I'll get out and vote, and encourage others to do the same. but donald has a LOT more real, flesh and blood people coming out of the woodwork for him than most non-righty followers of politics want to admit. and because of this, defeating him will be a tougher ask than i currently believe the vice president to be capable of.
i dearly hope to be proven wrong, and i'll certainly take whatever steps i must to help prove myself wrong, but i don't think it serves any higher purpose to delude oneself about the size of the challenge and the current probability of winning.