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Friday Talking Points -- Reckless Endangerment

[ Posted Friday, September 20th, 2024 – 17:17 UTC ]

Donald Trump (rather infamously) never admits he's wrong. Even on things that are easy to disprove with incontrovertible evidence, Trump will still insist he is right. He will construct an alternate reality inside his own head where he is proven to be right and all those who disagree are proven to be in some giant conspiracy against him, and he will go right on insisting that up is down, or that night is actually day. He never backs down and certainly never apologizes -- no matter how much harm his lies may cause.

When the lie involved is something like: "I drew a new line on the map, so that's where the hurricane was going to head," then there aren't any actual victims (other than, perhaps, the government meteorological scientists who were pressured to lie about reality). But Trump and his new minion JD Vance are propagating a monstrous slur against a group of people that are now definitely at risk. And not only do they refuse to back down from their lie, they are creating new, worse lies and threatening to bring hordes of their followers into the hometown of the scapegoated minorities.

This should be seen as nothing short of reckless endangerment. If any violence erupts in Springfield, Ohio, it will have been the direct result of Trump and Vance spreading lies about the Haitian immigrants who now live there. We wrote earlier this week about how this constitutes "stochastic terrorism," but that was before Trump announced he'd hold a rally in Springfield within the next two weeks. Not content to let things die down, Trump is going to fan the flames and pour gasoline on the fire with absolutely no regard for any possible consequences that could happen as a direct result. Which is a pretty good definition of reckless endangerment.

Trump has always used xenophobia as a political weapon. And he's always ready to believe any conspiracy theory that floats around the swamp-fever that is rightwing social media. Which is what led to him accusing the immigrants of "eating the dogs... eating the cats" during his disastrous debate performance. Vance, ever the lickspittle, has been going even further ever since. It has all morphed into a very frightening thing, all because Trump is incapable of saying: "Oh, I was wrong about that? There's no evidence of it? Well, I'm sorry I said differently, I had heard that it was true."

The town itself -- even before Trump threatened to hold a rally there -- is under siege. Bomb threats have been rolling in by the dozens -- to places such as elementary schools. The Proud Boys have marched through the streets of Springfield already. And if you think "reckless endangerment" is too strong a term to use, consider what Trump said when he was asked to denounce bomb threats against schools: "I don't know what happened with the bomb threats. I know that it's [Springfield] been taken over by illegal immigrants, and that's a terrible thing that happened." In other words, a brand-new lie (Springfield has not been "taken over" by Haitian immigrants, who are actually here legally), while refusing to condemn actual bomb threats.

The town's mayor and the governor of Ohio -- both Republicans -- have denounced the lies being spewed about Springfield's residents. They have both warned of the dangers of spreading such lies. They are both begging for the lies to stop. But neither one of them is brave enough to denounce and completely disavow the two men spreading those lies to the nation, so it's hard to hold them up as any sort of profiles in political courage.

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine wrote an opinion piece for the New York Times today, but it was pretty mealy-mouthed. It begins with a strong statement of support for the Haitian immigrants in Springfield:

But the city hit tough times in the 1980s and 1990s, falling into serious economic decline as manufacturing, rail commerce and good-paying jobs dwindled. Now, however, Springfield is having a resurgence in manufacturing and job creation. Some of that is thanks to the dramatic influx of Haitian migrants who have arrived in the city over the past three years to fill jobs.

They are there legally. They are there to work.

It is disappointing to me that Springfield has become the epicenter of vitriol over America's immigration policy, because it has long been a community of great diversity.

It's "disappointing" to him, but later on in the piece he pulls his punches in a notable way:

As a supporter of former President Donald Trump and Senator JD Vance, I am saddened by how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in Springfield. This rhetoric hurts the city and its people, and it hurts those who have spent their lives there.

Got that? He is now "saddened" by all of this, but is still going to vote for Trump and Vance anyway. He refuses to stand up for his convictions and denounce Trump in any real tangible way (such as: "If Trump and Vance continue to spout these lies, I cannot in good conscience vote for them or ask other Ohioans to vote for them either," for instance).

In a press conference, DeWine tried to explain his spinelessness and party-before-all-else stance:

DeWine repeated comments from earlier this week when he said as governor, he would always welcome a visit from a presidential candidate. He added that he will support the Republican candidates for president, and that if you want to have impact politically, "you need to be inside one political party or the other."

In response to a question about whether he is hopeful that Trump will stop making baseless claims about Springfield, DeWine said "Well, I hope he does."

Asked why he hadn't reached out directly to Trump and told him to stop, DeWine said, because "I didn't think it would do any good."

Pathetic. OK, to be fair, he is probably right -- knowing Trump, it probably wouldn't do any good. But at least DeWine would then have known he had tried to do the right thing. Instead, he's going to vote for Trump anyway, no matter what foul lies continue to come out of his mouth.

Vance, meanwhile, keeps making things worse. Last weekend, in an interview with Dana Bash, Vance admitted he's just flat-out making this stuff up: "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do, Dana, because you guys are completely letting Kamala Harris coast."

He later tried to clarify, without much success: "I say that we're creating a story, meaning we're creating the American media focusing on it."

His team made a ridiculous attempt to provide some proof of the lie, but it was easily debunked:

"A Vance spokesperson on Tuesday provided The Wall Street Journal with a police report in which a resident had claimed her pet might have been taken by Haitian neighbors," the report from Kris Maher, Valerie Bauerlein and Tawnell D. Hobbs read. "But when a reporter went to Anna Kilgore's house Tuesday evening, she said her cat Miss Sassy, which went missing in late August, had actually returned a few days later -- found safe in her own basement."

Kilgore told the reporters that she'd apologized to her neighbors for the allegation.

Vance then trotted out a new-and-improved demonization of the completely blameless immigrants -- that they were causing a spike in communicable diseases such as H.I.V. and tuberculosis. This vicious lie is also not true. It is obviously designed to stoke further hatred against the Haitians, with reckless disregard for any possible consequences.

Vance then doubled down on a different part of all the lies, that the Haitians are (as he and Trump have been calling them) "illegal immigrants."

"The media loves to say that the Haitian migrants... are here legally," he said. "What they mean is that [Vice President] Kamala Harris used two separate programs -- mass parole and temporary protective status -- she used two programs to wave a wand and to say, 'We're not going to deport those people here.' "

"Well," he continued, "if Kamala Harris waves the wand illegally and says these people are now here legally, I'm still going to call them an illegal alien. An illegal action from Kamala Harris does not make an alien legal. That is not how this works."

Yet another lie, since Kamala Harris had precisely zero to do with the Haitians' legal status. Trump and Vance are threatening not just to deport all the Haitians in Springfield, but now they're promising they will be the first ones deported under their planned mass deportation of millions of people. Even though they are legal immigrants, mind you.

This is reprehensible. It is dangerous. It should frighten any American who cares about basic humanity. This is how pogroms get started. And speaking of pogroms, Trump just told a group of Jewish supporters that he would be blaming the Jews if he doesn't win the election. A little antisemitism on top of all the racism Trump and Vance have been spouting ever since the debate, just for flavor.

This is all, mind you, happening after a would-be assassin was caught lying in wait for Trump at his favorite Florida golf club last weekend. Trump and other Republicans then started whining about the rhetoric being used by Democrats, while still demonizing the Haitians in Ohio.

According to Trump, only he should be allowed to use demonizing rhetoric against his political opponents. It is absolutely beyond the pale when Democrats do it to him, but even in the same sentence as his complaint, he still thinks it is fine for him to do to them: "Their rhetoric is causing me to be shot at, when I am the one who is going to save the country, and they are the ones that are destroying the country -- both from the inside and out." One Washington Post columnist summed this up rather nicely: "Trump's political appeals have never been particularly subtle, and this one isn't either. It's dangerous for Democrats to say these things about him, he insists -- as he says those things about Democrats."

This also spiralled quickly out of control. Elon Musk posted on his social media platform: "no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala." He later shrugged it off as "a joke." The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire went even further, posting: "Anyone who murders Kamala Harris would be an American hero."

Speaking of the difference between night and day, over on the other side of the presidential race, Kamala Harris sat down with Oprah Winfrey for an online event (a kind of throwback to her wildly-popular television show) that was seen by hundreds of thousands of viewers. The event was called "Unite For America," and brought together over 100 online groups supporting Harris (including: "White Dudes for Harris, Cat Ladies for Kamala and Latinas for Harris"). Celebrity guests made appearances (Chris Rock, Ben Stiller, Jennifer Lopez, Meryl Streep, etc.) who all pronounced their support for Harris.

During the event and even more pointedly in a rally in Georgia today, Harris leaned in to a recent story from ProPublica that told the tragedy of a Georgia woman who should still be alive today but who instead was killed by her state's abortion ban (she was forced to wait 20 hours for medical care, when immediate intervention would easily have saved her life). At today's even, Harris put it in a familiar framing, saying: "We will speak her name: Amber Nicole Thompson." This should become a regular refrain for her speeches, one assumes.

Let's see, what else? The Teamsters announced that they would not be making a presidential endorsement this year, but a whole bunch of local Teamster groups jumped into the void and immediately endorsed Kamala Harris. So far, local branches of the Union who represent over one million Teamsters have endorsed Harris.

And finally, CNN got the scoop of the week for uncovering the online history of the Republican candidate for North Carolina governor. On a porn site (that apparently had message boards, for some unfathomable reason), Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson apparently had all kinds of odious things to say -- including that he was a "black NAZI!" and that he supported slavery. No, really. Here's what he had to say about it: "Slavery is not bad. Some people need to be slaves. I wish they would bring it (slavery) back. I would certainly buy a few." And those are only the worst things he had to say -- CNN had plenty of other examples which were equally as bad.

We wrote about this whole sordid mess yesterday, so we'll just mention it in passing here, but it's yet another example of a hotheaded MAGA type who enters politics without the Republican Party lifting a finger to vet them. The CNN revelations certainly aren't the only eyebrow-raising things Robinson has said over the years -- mostly to the delight of conservative audiences. Trump, of course, endorsed Robinson in his run for the governor's office -- but (rather tellingly) will not invite Robinson on stage this weekend as Trump holds another rally in the state. Trump has a real talent for picking Republican candidates who spectacularly fail to win what should be easily-winnable races for the GOP, and this is merely the most recent example. But this time (fingers crossed) perhaps it will impact his own chances for victory, since North Carolina could be the state that decides the entire presidential election. And wouldn't that be poetic justice, if Trump loses the state because of his own endorsement of an obviously-unfit Republican?

 

Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week

We're going to hand the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week award this week to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

This week, Schumer brought up -- again -- a bill written by Democrats which would guarantee access to in-vitro fertilization treatments everywhere in America, but would also have forced insurance companies to cover the procedure (which can cost tens of thousands of dollars). Every Democrat voted for it. Every Republican except Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins voted against it. JD Vance didn't even bother to show up for the vote, but the first time the bill came up he voted against it.

What's especially poignant about this situation is that even Donald Trump has called for insurance companies to pay for I.V.F. treatments and for women everywhere to be guaranteed access (regardless of state law). But even that wasn't enough for virtually all the Senate Republicans -- they still voted against it.

Here's what Schumer had to say about it:

Three months ago, nearly every Senate Republican voted against protecting I.V.F. in this chamber. It was astounding to watch them with a straight face... claim that of course they cared about supporting families, of course they supported I.V.F. Just not enough to actually vote to protect it.

Every Democratic candidate in every Senate race there is this election cycle should immediately cut an ad pointing this out to the voters in their state. Because that is precisely why Schumer brought the bill up for a vote again -- to highlight the issue and make some political hay over it.

Schumer is also moving forward and creating a Senate bill to avoid a government shutdown at the end of this month, since the House is doing nothing but dithering about the issue (as usual).

For showcasing the difference between a Democratic Party who is able to govern and is busily working to make people's lives better and a Republican Party who is completely feckless and ineffective, Chuck Schumer is our Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week this week.

[Congratulate Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on his Senate contact page, to let him know you appreciate his efforts.]

 

Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week

We're just going to go generic and award the Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week this week to New York City Mayor Eric Adams.

The Adams administration is collapsing under the weight of multiple scandals right now. There are so many of them it is hard to keep track of them all, in fact. Axios has a pretty good rundown of them all, for anyone interested in a list. As they point out:

At least four agencies -- the Justice Department, the FBI, the IRS and the city's Department of Investigations -- are now involved in four separate corruption probes of people in [Mayor Eric] Adams' orbit.

More investigations come to light on a regular basis, and people have been resigning left and right. So far, Adams himself hasn't been a direct target, but the overwhelming amount of corruption from his team reflects rather badly on his own leadership.

So just in a generic way, for hiring all these people and then utterly failing to keep them on the straight and narrow, we have to award New York City Mayor Eric Adams this week's Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week -- while wondering what the drip, drip, drip of corruption investigations is going to reveal next week. That's how bad things have gotten, folks.

[Contact New York City Mayor Eric Adams on his official contact page, to let him know what you think of his actions.]

 

Friday Talking Points

Volume 767 (9/20/24)

Another mixed bag this week, as the campaign season enters the final 50 days. Enjoy, and as always, use responsibly!

 

1
   Trump abortion bans

Kamala Harris has been using this regularly, and all other Democrats should follow her lead.

"We wouldn't be where we are now without Donald Trump. Which is why every single law in every single state that denies women full body autonomy and the freedom to make their own medical choices with their doctors is nothing short of a Trump abortion ban. He wants to disassociate himself with the consequences of his actions, but we're not going to let him get away with it. Every woman that dies as a result, every woman who is told to just keep bleeding until she nears death before she gets proper medical care -- they can all blame the Trump abortion bans for such inhumane treatment. Let's lay the blame where it belongs."

 

2
   Amber Nicole Thurman

Trump and the Republicans use this political tactic to highlight people killed by immigrants. It is high time Democrats start using it against the Trump abortion bans as well.

"Say her name: Amber Nicole Thurman. She died because doctors wouldn't treat her and let her suffer for 20 hours before they even attempted to give her the medical care that would have saved her life. How can this be happening in the United States of America in the twenty-first century? She's not the only one, either -- this is happening in state after state after state. So whenever Republicans try to defend the Trump abortion bans they support, answer them back by saying her name: Amber Nicole Thurman died because of these inhumane bans."

 

3
   Reckless endangerment

Again, call it what it really is.

"There's a community in Ohio that is being absolutely terrorized right now -- complete with bomb threats at elementary schools -- because of the fearmongering and hateful demonizing spewing from the lips of Donald Trump and JD Vance. They both know that what they say are lies. They both know what their hate-filled rhetoric could cause, and yet they keep right on lying with no regard for what any of their followers might be spurred into doing. There's a legal term for this sort of thing -- reckless endangerment. Trump and Vance are recklessly endangering a whole community of people who have done nothing wrong and they simply don't care what happens to them. This is disgraceful and it is dangerous and any politician who hasn't denounced them for doing so is equally complicit in whatever happens next. I don't want to hear any of them trying to claim afterwards: "Well, I had nothing to do with that" -- because they all did. Every one of them."

 

4
   Legal or not, Trump hates immigrants

They're not even trying to hide it anymore.

"Donald Trump and JD Vance are now saying the quiet part out loud. They don't care what an immigrant's status is, they're going to try to deport even legal immigrants. They're planning on revoking people's citizenship retroactively and then just kicking them out of the country. Republicans used to give lip service to supporting legal immigrants, saying they only disapproved of those here illegally, but this puts the lie to that. They want to kick out whomever they deem undesirable, whether they're here legally or not."

 

5
   Look in the mirror, Donny

Don't let the media grant him a double standard!

"After another apparent assassination attempt, every Democrat immediately denounced the would-be shooter and condemned all forms of political violence. After Nancy Pelosi's husband survived an assassination attempt a while back, Trump and plenty of Republicans joked about it. They spread conspiracy theories and made fun of it all. Now Donald Trump is accusing Democrats of using dangerous rhetoric about him while in the same sentence he does the same thing about Democrats. This is on top of his efforts to terrorize a town in Ohio with the most dangerous rhetoric imaginable. So if Donald Trump wants to identify the worst purveyor of dangerous political rhetoric in America right now, he should really look in a mirror."

 

6
   Republicans don't support I.V.F.

Hammer this one home.

"Republicans sure do love to publicly express their support for women getting in-vitro fertilization treatments, but when it comes time to actually support it politically, they are nowhere to be found. Even Donald Trump has called for I.V.F. treatments to be covered by insurance companies, but when a bill that would do precisely that was brought up this week in the Senate, it didn't pass because only two Republicans (both women) voted for it. Every other Republican voted against guaranteeing I.V.F. access for every woman in this country. So don't believe their campaign promise of support, because it's all just cynical lip service. Republicans do not support I.V.F. when it matters. Democrats do."

 

7
   What could possibly go wrong?

This takes the prize for "scandal of the week," obviously.

"Let's see... so the Republican Party decided it would be a good idea to nominate a candidate for governor in North Carolina who is not only a proud 'black NAZI!' (his term), but is also pro-slavery and anti-M.L.K. Jr. I mean, really... what could possibly go wrong with that brilliant plan?"

-- Chris Weigant

 

Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant

Cross-posted at: Democratic Underground

 

64 Comments on “Friday Talking Points -- Reckless Endangerment”

  1. [1] 
    Michale wrote:

    @JL

    1. it says the Democratic party is desperate enough to prevent a return to January 2021 that we'll accept alliance even with someone who we disagree with about literally everything else.

    But Demon'rats claimed that Cheney was another Hitler...

    So, what you are saying is that Demon'rats would align themselves with Hitler if it meant they could stop President Trump.

    And you are perfectly OK with that??

    2. if that were true, it would say that whichever leader is promoting the use of political violence is doing an excellent job of it - perhaps better than intended.

    Not only is it true, it's factually accurate..

    And again, you appear to be perfectly OK with that...

    So, what you are saying is that, if it further the Demon'rat political agenda, you are on board with political violence..

    I am honestly surprised...

    Perhaps Liz's answer will be more true to form..

  2. [2] 
    Michale wrote:

    Even Demon'rats themselves concede that Demon'rats support political violence against President Trump by the millions...

    "I am so saddened and disturbed by the fact that political violence is so normalized in this country. There is more support for violence today against Trump and others, against Trump, 10% of American adults think it’s OK. That's despicable"
    -Demon'rat Sunny Hostin, The View Host

    TWENTY SIX MILLION Demon'rats say that political violence is acceptable to stop President Trump..

    Remind me again how it's Republicans are the Party of political violence??

    I seem to have forgotten what with all the FACTS that PROVE it's Demon'rats who are the Political Violence Party.

  3. [3] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And where did you drag up the "factually accurate" poll? Oh, that's right you are too much of a light weight to back up your posts...

    TWENTY SIX MILLION Demon'rats say that political violence is acceptable to stop President Trump..

    It's very likely that is not the wording of your poll that you are too chicken to link to, depending on the actual definition of your weird slur...

  4. [4] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    A nomination for MIDOW in a 'red state'.

    'Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear (D) on Wednesday signed an executive order banning conversion therapy for minors, adding to the list of 23 other states and the District of Columbia that had banned the controversial practice.'
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kentucky-governor-bans-conversion-therapy-minors_n_66eb4881e4b051614c50dc1d

  5. [5] 
    italyrusty wrote:

    Another MIDOW, though ostensibly non-partisan. Americans who register as Democrat when their young usually remain life-time Democrats.
    'The group says it hit one million voter engagements, which includes 200,000 calls and 800,000 texts mostly to Gen Zers — a generation that encompasses 41 million people eligible to vote in November. Its main goal is registering voters and helping them make a plan for voting.

    A Voters of Tomorrow spokesperson said a phone bank conducted jointly with Swifties for Kamala volunteers helped it reach its goal Tuesday, on National Voter Registration Day, when both parties intensified their outreach efforts to register voters ahead of looming state deadlines.'
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/voters-of-tomorrow-kamala-harris-donald-trump-voter-registration_n_66ea3c16e4b06998fbed7a1b

  6. [6] 
    Michale wrote:

    It's funny, in a sad and pathetic sort of way, to hear you Demon'rats whine and cry hysterically about 6 Jan yet ya'all IGNORE 22+ years (collectively) of Demon'rat BLM and AntiFa riots and attacks on HUNDREDS of government buildings all over the country..

    I mean, lets look at reality..

    6 Jan have virtually ZERO impact on the lives of everyday Americans. 6 Jan came and went and practically EVERY American went on about their lives as if nothing happened... It was a NON-EVENT in the lives of virtually EVERY American. Well, except for the few hundreds whose lives were ruined by the immoral and unethical lawfare persecutions..

    Compare and contrast that to the DOZENS of LEOs that were killed and the impact of those murders on the LEO's families and loved ones.. The TENS OF THOUSANDS of people (and their families) that were injured. The TENS OF THOUSANDS of people (and their families) that saw their businesses and livelihoods completely and utterly destroyed.

    Compared to the 22+ years (collectively) of Demon'rat BLM and AntiFa riots, 6 Jan was simply a NON-EVENT...

    Anyone who tries to make hay of 6 Jan while ignoring the DECADES of Demon'rat BLM and AntiFa riots should well and truly be ashamed of themselves..

    But, of course, the reality is that Demon'rats have no shame.. Hell Demon'rats believe that political violence is not only desirable, but necessary..

    What a sad sad commentary on what you people (NEN) have become.. :eyeroll:

  7. [7] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,

    have you not been reading? i'm not at all okay with any of this. but there's a lot of blame to go around, and Donald shoulders a lion's share of it himself. in CW's words:

    if Donald Trump wants to identify the worst purveyor of dangerous political rhetoric in America right now, he should really look in a mirror."

  8. [8] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    So, you are of the opinion that WORDS = VIOLENCE..

    That is where you are wrong. VIOLENCE = VIOLENCE..

    Basically, what you are saying is that President Trump's words MADE people try to kill him and that it is ALL President Trump's fault..

    How is that any different then claiming that the girl's short skirt and low cut top MADE the guy rape her...

    Do you see how utterly ridiculous you have become?? How completely off the reservation you people are??

    Quoting the biggest Trump/America hater here, the BIGGEST sufferer of PTDS is not the best way to make your point..

    You DO realize that, right??

  9. [9] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    dude, there you go again, presuming and interpreting things I never wrote.

  10. [10] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    Basically, what you are saying is that President Trump's words MADE people try to kill him and that it is ALL President Trump's fault..

    no, if that were what I was saying, that's what I would have said. what I AM saying is that donald's words over the past eight years have contributed more than any democrat (let's say 51% for the sake of argument, given that it's infinitely more complicated) to an overall culture that permits and condones political violence. so in that sense, he absolutely is PARTIALLY responsible for the conditions that produced two attempts on his own life.

  11. [11] 
    Michale wrote:

    Once again..

    You are saying President Trump's words mitigate or extenuate ANY violence that DEMOCRATS commit...

    I'll put your own words into my rape example..

    what I AM saying is that the girl's short skirt and low cut top contributed to an overall culture that permits and condones rape. so in that sense, she absolutely is PARTIALLY responsible for the conditions that produced the rape..

    No matter HOW MUCH you want to pretty up your claim, when you pull away ALL the ideological chaff...

    What you are claiming is NO DIFFERENT than claiming the girl who wore the short skirt and low cut top brought about her own rape.

    That's really frak'ed up, JL..

    But hay.. Say I agree with you... Say that WORDS = VIOLENCE..

    The DEMOCRAT WORDS like Basement Biden saying "We have to put President Trump in the bullseye" means BASEMENT BIDEN, not President Trump, who is responsible for Democrat Violence..

    When a Democrat congresscritter says "PRESIDENT TRUMP MUST BE STOPPED BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE" THAT Democrat is, according to you, at least 51% responsible for Democrats trying to kill President Trump..

    Your own argument PROVES my facts...

    DEMOCRATS are committing these acts of violence in the here and now...

    FULL STOP... END TRANS...

    And no amount of ideological gobble-de-gook will change that fact..

  12. [12] 
    Michale wrote:

    OK Let's try this from another track..

    YOUR claim is that President Trump is 51% responsible for Democrat committed violence..

    OK.. I say bullshit, but lets roll with it..

    Let's discuss the 49% that your DEMOCRATS are responsible for..

    Do you want to do that??

    No??

    Why not???

    Let's discuss how Basement Biden said "We have to put Trump in the bullseye"

    Let's discuss Democrat Dan Goldman saying "Trump is not only unfit, he is destructive to our democracy, and he has to be eliminated.!"

    "Trump needs to be shot!"
    -Democrat Stacey Plaskett

    "It is not enough to simply beat Trump. He must be destroyed thoroughly. His kind must not rise again."
    -Harris Adviser David Plouffe

    "They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."
    -Harris Supporter Rick Wilson

    Funny how you Democrats ignore ALL THAT rhetoric from Democrats and simply put the blame on President Trump..

    Sad...

  13. [13] 
    Michale wrote:

    Let's discuss the 49% that your DEMOCRATS are responsible for..

    Don't tell me. Let me guess...

    Your answer starts with, "Well, I grew up in a middle-class family....."

    :eyeroll:

  14. [14] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m
    sorry you lost me, i've no idea what you're talking about.

  15. [15] 
    Michale wrote:

    Oh JL... You are SO not up on current events...

    I guess it comes from reading all the Democrat FAKE NEWS and ignoring the facts and the reality...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZObGv7TV8oA

  16. [16] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    @m,

    i may not be up on current events, but you're severely behind on me events.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/WzBZcm7a6YcDsmGq5

  17. [17] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    the rape analogy you're attempting to make is insane. the only way to make it fractionally equivalent would be if a particular rape victim had directed, produced, and starred in a decade-long drama entitled, "ain't rape great?" all about how wonderful it is to watch other people be raped. THEN it would be a LITTLE bit similar.

  18. [18] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL,

    i may not be up on current events, but you're severely behind on me events.

    Awwwwwwww… How adorable...

    OK, that's a pretty good excuse there.. :D

    Congratulations..

    THEN it would be a LITTLE bit similar.

    Of course you would say that..

    But the fact remains.. You are victim blaming.. Period..

    All of the rest is just ideological smoke and mirrors to try and hide what is the basic fact..

    And the basic fact is you and everyone else is victim blaming..

    Blaming the victim for the actions of the criminal scumbags..

    I expect that from everyone else. But not from you.. You are better than that..

    Hopefully Liz will chime in as well soon..

    And again.. Congrats dood… :D

  19. [19] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    You are victim blaming.. Period..

    no, it's not even remotely donald's fault that some crazy people want to kill him. unequivocally, not his fault. that goes solely on the troubled men who attempted the stupid and dishonorable act.

    All of the rest is just ideological smoke and mirrors to try and hide

    no, it's a response to donald and his supporters who try to pin those stupid and dishonorable acts on the heated campaign rhetoric against him as a threat to the country and its constitution.

    if we're going to talk about responsibility for the assassination attempts, we can agree that campaign rhetoric is not at fault. but if we're going to suspend that reality and imagine that it were at fault, then donald would be in the glassiest of houses from which to throw stones.

    JL

  20. [20] 
    Michale wrote:

    And the basic fact is you and everyone else is victim blaming..

    It's not surprising at all when you consider all the facts..

    Hell.. Morons here are even denying that the assassination attempts even took place...

    no, it's a response to donald and his supporters who try to pin those stupid and dishonorable acts on the heated campaign rhetoric against him as a threat to the country and its constitution.

    You mean like you Democrats have tried to pin 6 Jan and all the other stupid and dishonorable acts on President Trump's heated campaign rhetoric??

    You mean like that??

    Look at yourself.. You are making the exact same argument I am making.. You want to apply the argument to President Trump, while denying the exact same argument applies to Democrats..

    if we're going to talk about responsibility for the assassination attempts, we can agree that campaign rhetoric is not at fault.

    And if we are going to talk about the responsibility of 6 Jan, we can agree that campaign rhetoric is not at fault..

    but if we're going to suspend that reality and imagine that it were at fault, then donald would be in the glassiest of houses from which to throw stones.

    But if we're going to suspend reality and imagine that President Trump's campaign rhetoric was responsible for 6 Jan, then you Democrats would be in the glassiest of houses from which to throw stones..

    Do you see the point??

    You are trying to make an argument to blame President Trump for Democrat violence while at the same time, claiming that the same argument DOESN'T apply to Democrats..

    How is that not hypocrisy in it's purest and most basic form???

  21. [21] 
    Michale wrote:

    no, it's not even remotely donald's fault that some crazy people want to kill him. unequivocally, not his fault. that goes solely on the troubled men who attempted the stupid and dishonorable act.

    OK.. But YOU (and possibly Liz) are the ONLY ones here who will concede that fact..

    NO ONE else will...

  22. [22] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    I mean, lets look at reality..

    Yes, let's look at reality. Jan 6 did not impact everyday Americans because it failed.

    Well, except for the few hundreds whose lives were ruined by the immoral and unethical lawfare persecutions..

    Funny, I thought killing people, destroying stuff, stealing stuff, smearing shit over the hallowed walls of government was a crime...

  23. [23] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And if we are going to talk about the responsibility of 6 Jan, we can agree that campaign rhetoric is not at fault..

    No, it was speech rhetoric directly from Trump to the crowd that marched down to congress and we have video. Whether it's enough to convict is for the courts to decide...

  24. [24] 
    Michale wrote:

    What's so hilarious is that, when President Trump wins the election and is returned to his rightful place as President Of The United States, me JL and Liz are going to be the only ones posting here in Weigantia… :D

  25. [25] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And when Trump loses you will disappear until the next election or major political event...

  26. [26] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    What do you wish me to chime in on?

  27. [27] 
    nypoet22 wrote:

    individual crimes are different from mob crimes.

  28. [28] 
    Kick wrote:

    And speaking of pogroms, Trump just told a group of Jewish supporters that he would be blaming the Jews if he doesn't win the election. A little antisemitism on top of all the racism Trump and Vance have been spouting ever since the debate, just for flavor.

    He spoke at two separate events in DC Thursday, one of which was titled "Fighting Antisemitism in America" and the other later that day at an Israeli-American Council national summit. Some of the hallmarks of antisemitism being the application of negative character types and stereotypes regarding how Jews should think and behave and making claims they are (or will be) the catalyst for all manner of things going wrong, Donald Trump went to a "fighting antisemitism" event and regurgitated a steaming hot pile of antisemitism blaming Jews for his potential defeat and putting another target on the backs of Jewish Americans who make up approximately 2.4% of the electorate.

    For those of us who know history, could we think of another pathologically lying, bellicose, scapegoating loser whose modus operandi was to place blame and a target on the backs of the tiny minority of Jews in his country?

  29. [29] 
    Kick wrote:

    Trump, of course, endorsed Robinson in his run for the governor's office -- but (rather tellingly) will not invite Robinson on stage this weekend as Trump holds another rally in the state.

    Mark who? The guy Trump stated was "going to go down as one of the great leaders in our country," was not even mentioned one time by Donald Trump at that North Carolina rally where Robinson is running for the governorship!

    Trump has a real talent for picking Republican candidates who spectacularly fail to win what should be easily-winnable races for the GOP, and this is merely the most recent example.

    Trump definitely demonstrably (and thankfully) has a real talent for picking candidates who fail to win despite his endorsement, but the North Carolina governorship wasn't exactly an "easily-winnable race for the GOP" since the current occupant of said office is a twice-elected term-limited Democrat, and Mark-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named Robinson was already consistently polling as going to join the long list of losing Trumplicants even before his "black NAZI!" identity was recently revealed because he already had a very long history of saying dumb things only an idiot or a Nazi would say, much of it posted on Facebook and easily verifiable, for instance:

    * In November 2016, Robinson wrote on Facebook: Beyoncé "teaches our young women how to be hyper-sexual whores."

    * In November 2016, Robinson wrote on Facebook it is a "sad fact" that "religious freedom in this country now means Muslims are free to do as they please and anyone who says anything about it is a bigot," along with many other xenophobic posts.

    * In January 2017, he wrote on Facebook that Michelle Obama is a man and that Robinson would be glad when Obama "takes his boyfriend and leaves the White House."

    * In March 2018, Robinson suggested the Holocaust was a hoax when he wrote on Facebook that "this foolishness about Hitler disarming MILLIONS of Jews and then marching them off to concentration camps is a bunch of hogwash."

    * Robinson said in 2019 that abortion is "about killing the child because you weren't responsible enough to keep your skirt down," but not before he impregnated his girlfriend (later wife) and aborted his own "child."

    * In October 2022, Robinson helped propagate the baseless right-wing conspiracy theories and mocking of violence when Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked in their home by an unknown intruder, by posting a meme on Facebook of an "attacker" Halloween costume of a man in underwear holding a hammer. He captioned the post: "I'm sorry Paul I don't believe you or the press!!!!"

    In other words, the same making light of a violent attack and mocking jokes about violence that Trump still uses to this day, and there's plenty more Trumpian and idiotic spew where those came from.

  30. [30] 
    Michale wrote:

    JL

    individual crimes are different from mob crimes.

    Depends on the context...

    So, what did we finally agree on??

    Did we agree that President Trump's heated rhetoric had nothing to do with 6 Jan and that heated rhetoric does not MAKE people commit violent acts and that President Trump is really not a threat to democracy in general and this country in particular??

    OR

    Did you concede that Democrats are responsible for the assassination attempts on President Trump due to their violent and heated rhetoric against President Trump and their BS claims that President Trump will destroy democracy??

    Just want to clarify where we stand.. :D

  31. [31] 
    Michale wrote:

    CRAP!!

    JL

    individual crimes are different from mob crimes.

    Depends on the context...

    So, what did we finally agree on??

    Did we agree that President Trump's heated rhetoric had nothing to do with 6 Jan and that heated rhetoric does not MAKE people commit violent acts and that President Trump is really not a threat to democracy in general and this country in particular??

    OR

    Did you concede that Democrats are responsible for the assassination attempts on President Trump due to their violent and heated rhetoric against President Trump and their BS claims that President Trump will destroy democracy??

    Just want to clarify where we stand.. :D

  32. [32] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz

    What do you wish me to chime in on?

    Liz & JL...

    I have question for ya'all.. Well, 2 questions actually..

    Since you two are the only ones here in Weigantia, besides myself of course, who HAVEN'T drunk the Harris/Walz Joy Joy Koolaid, I am sincerely curious as to your answers...

    1. What does it say about the Democrat Party and their agenda that they have whole-heartedly and enthusiastically embraced Dick 'Darth Vader' Cheney as a kindred spirit??

    2. What does it say about the Democrat Party and their agenda that 26 million Democrats have stated that political violence IS acceptable to prevent President Trump from running in and winning the 2024 election....

    Bonus points if you can answer without having to mention the once and future President Of The United States, President Donald Trump.

    I eagerly await your answers... :D

  33. [33] 
    Kick wrote:

    But Demon'rats claimed that Cheney was another Hitler...

    Incorrect, although there were Democrats that claimed (and still maintain) that Cheney was/is a "war criminal." In point of fact, the candidate that Democrats have repeatedly associated with Hitler is Donald "Hair Dick Tater" Trump.

    So, what you are saying is that Demon'rats would align themselves with Hitler if it meant they could stop President Trump.

    Troll puts words in another commenters mouth, and no one here is the least bit surprised, but I can definitely help jog the troll's demonstrably failing memory since his two brain cells appear to be self-deprived of oxygen by his tin foil hat... and because connecting dots is what we do.

    * 1. I (attempt to) jog the troll's memory that the candidate that Democrats associate most closely with Hitler (and Mussolini), is obviously Donald Trump because he has said and done things that are so like Hitler, and for which JL and I once had a back-and-forth factual discussion about the many similar ways they parallel, which prompted the troll's self-exile from Weigantia. Unexpected bonus for posting facts.

    ** 2. In point of fact, Democrats aren't aligning themselves with Dick Cheney... quite the opposite. Dick Cheney endorsed Donald Trump in 2016. Fast forward to the aftermath of the 2020 election and Cheney making the following observation in 2022:

    In our nation's 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump. He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He is a coward. A real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. He lost his election, and he lost big. I know it. He knows it, and deep down, I think most Republicans know it. Lynne and I are so proud of Liz for standing up for the truth, doing what's right, honoring her oath to the constitution, which so many in our party are too scared to do so....

    ~ Dick Cheney, commercial endorsing his daughter

    Fast forward further to 2024 wherein Dick Cheney (and his daughter) are both endorsing Kamala Harris for president because (and obviously highly likely only because) she is running against Donald Trump and not any other Republican. I would wager without hesitation that Cheney wouldn't endorse Harris (or any Democrat) if Nikki Haley (or any of the other GOP candidates) had won the nomination instead of the guy who Cheney disparaged in 2022. So then, Cheney (and his daughter) have come full circle and now align themselves with millions of Democrats, Independents, Never Trumpers, and Republicans who have always believed -- or who have come around to believing based on mountains of evidence -- that Donald Trump is unfit for the office to which he (again) aspires and is a threat to America.

    *** Connect the Dots: If Democrats "would align themselves with Hitler" or a living person who frequently paralleled and parroted said deceased person, they would naturally obviously already have aligned themselves with Donald Trump and he would have easily won the popular vote (never did that), and there'd obviously be no need whatsoever for this conversation because Trump would have already won reelection, which did not happen despite all Hair Dick Tater's whining about the "lugenpresse" (lying press) and claiming he won in a landslide. Furthermore, one would obviously not be aligning themselves with "Hitler" (your term for Cheney, not mine) in order to stop "America's Hitler" (JD Vance's term for Trump, not mine) who would obviously endorse Hitler, which Cheney (and his daughter) obviously did in 2016.

    So, what you are saying is that, if it further the Demon'rat political agenda, you are on board with political violence..

    More troll fake quotes... nothing new. The troll has no moral standing to make the asinine claim that anyone is "on board with political violence" if it furthers a political agenda when the troll can be quoted on multiple occasions mocking and minimizing violence that furthered the political agenda of himself and the asshole in which his head resides, who is guilty of inciting violence against all manner of people, including his own vice president, who joins a long list of Republicans (and others) who also no longer endorse Hair Dick Tater... also now known as the simpering coward who will not debate Kamala Harris again because "any time, any place, anywhere" is now the absolute bullshit lie that "it's too late"... in freaking September! Lying MAGA dipshit. *LOL*

    In conclusion, the troll's problem now (and forever has been) the constant and ever-present pathetic attempts at false equivalency via the use of fake quotes/word twisting and the ever-present predictable asinine regurgitation of the current GOP talking points of right-wingnut pathological liars and terminal propagandists.

  34. [34] 
    Michale wrote:

    Friday Talking Points -- Reckless Endangerment

    You mean, like Demon'rats destroyed Minneapolis after George Floyd?? You mean like Demon'rat policies turning once great cities like Portland OR into 3rd world shitholes???

    You mean like that??

    Once again, Demon'rats accusing President Trump of what they themselves are guilty of...

    :eyeroll:

  35. [35] 
    Michale wrote:

    In all the mind-less JOY JOY hoopla of the Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris/Tampon Tim NO-BALLZ Walz losing out on the campaign trail, Basement Biden has been an afterthought..

    Biden loses track of event, yells 'Who's next?' at press conference with India PM

    Demon'rats has a senile dementia-riddled vegetable running this country..

    And just think.. YOU morons actually thought Basement Biden could actually RUN in a REAL campaign and actually prevail!!!!

    BBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Aren't you people just about six different kinds of morons, eh!?? :D

    President Trump utterly DESTROYED Basement Biden in a SINGLE debate!!!

    And he is going to decimate Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris/Tampon Tim NO-BALLZ Walz just as easily...

    I'll be nice when the moron trolls leave Weigantia in shame with their tails tucked between their legs when President Trump returns to the White House.. :D

    Hay Victoria.. You remember in 2016 when President Trump wiped the floor with Hillary and you couldn't show your face around Weigantia for quite a while?? :D

    And then you gave some cock n bull story about how your boyfriend gave you a new car if you didn't post here in Weigantia for a while..

    BBBBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Yer so stoopid that you actually BELIEVED people bought that totally BS lie..

    BBBBWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

  36. [36] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Weird...

  37. [37] 
    John From Censornati wrote:

    MAGAt turd-breath troll. LOL

    Nazi Fat Donny is endorsed by RUSSIAN dictator Putin. *

    VP Harris is endorsed by AMERICAN former VP and UNCONVICTED war criminal Cheney. It won't be a problem if AMERICAN failed president George W joins the coalition against the 78 year old convicted felon, sex offender and dementia sundowner.

    * . . . not to mention Nazi pervert Mark Robinson, Nazi Nick Fuentes, Nazi-lover Kanye Kardashian, and Nazi Klan Wizard David Duke.

  38. [38] 
    Elizabeth Miller wrote:

    Michale,

    I haven't really been following who's endorsing who in this election but I have heard that the Cheney's have said they will vote for Harris, as have many prominent Republicans. So, I'm not sure how enthusiastically and whole-heartedly they have embraced the former vice president. I suppose they can't be blamed if they don't miss an opportunity to rub that in the collective face of the Republican party, do you?

    As for their agenda, I guess it says that Dems are desperate to win the presidency and perhaps even the House and keep the Senate in 2024. Which they are going to need to do if they want to get anything done.

    I think the "embrace" of Cheney says more about the Republican party of today than it does about the Democratic agenda.

    As for question number two, I think I missed the part where 26 million Democrats stated that political violence is acceptable, in any context. You'll have to enlighten me on that one!

  39. [39] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    I haven't really been following who's endorsing who in this election but I have heard that the Cheney's have said they will vote for Harris, as have many prominent Republicans.

    You must have missed the memo.. :D

    Dick Cheney says he’s voting for Harris in November and Trump ‘can never be trusted with power again’
    -CNN

    Dick Cheney to back Harris for president
    -TheHill

    Former VP Dick Cheney says he will vote for Harris
    -NPR

    Actually, you missed quite a few memos.. :D

    So, I'm not sure how enthusiastically and whole-heartedly they have embraced the former vice president.

    The publicly honored Dick Cheney on the House Floor..

    Dick Cheney Returns To The House And Is Honored... By Democrats

    I suppose they can't be blamed if they don't miss an opportunity to rub that in the collective face of the Republican party, do you?

    That's like Democrats honoring Adolph Hitler to rub it in the collective face of someone..

    It simply an indication of the depth of their hatred for President Trump that they would honor someone as despicable as (in their eyes) Dick Cheney..

    Would you agree with that??

    As for their agenda, I guess it says that Dems are desperate to win the presidency and perhaps even the House and keep the Senate in 2024. Which they are going to need to do if they want to get anything done.

    So, for all intents and purposes, Democrats are saying The Ends Justifies The Means..

    And isn't THAT an indication of how far Democrats have sunk???

    As for question number two, I think I missed the part where 26 million Democrats stated that political violence is acceptable, in any context. You'll have to enlighten me on that one!

    You know I will!!! :D

    "I am so saddened and disturbed by the fact that political violence is so normalized in this country. There is more support for violence today against Trump and others, against Trump, 10% of American adults think it’s OK. That's despicable"
    -Demon'rat Sunny Hostin, The View Host

    "The View" co-host Sunny Hostin highlighted the results of a poll released in July that found 10% of Americans support violence against Donald Trump, which she said was "despicable," following a second assassination attempt against the former president.

    The poll, released by the University of Chicago via the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, found that 26 million Americans believe "the use of force" is justified to keep Trump from regaining the presidency. Of the 26 million, the poll found, nine million have guns, and 22 million have access to "internet organizational tools."

    26 million Democrats and Trump/America haters said that violence is justified to stop President Trump from winning the election..

    What do you say to that???

  40. [40] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Liz,

    Note: Michale is lying here. The poll he is referencing asked the question: The use of force is justified to …

    Restore Trump to the Presidency 6.9% - 18 million people

    Prevent Trump from becoming president. 10% - 26 million people

    So, 26 million Americans not Democrats. Also the poll had a margin of error of 2.9% with a sample size of 2024 respondents. With that error rate it could hypothetically be close to even.

    As we know with the assassination attempts, some who would use violence to prevent Trump are Republicans/conservatives...

  41. [41] 
    Michale wrote:

    Liz,

    Someone here has reading comprehension problems...

    We all know who it is.. :D

    I specifically stated 26 million Democrats and Trump/America haters said that violence is justified to stop President Trump from winning the election..

    The moron who can't read to save his life confirmed it...

    I accept his concession... :D

  42. [42] 
    Michale wrote:

    Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is running scared from the very people she wants to govern..

    Kamala Harris plans to skip historic Al Smith dinner despite long-standing tradition

    The Al Smith dinner has been a campaign tradition since 1960

    ice President Kamala Harris will skip the historic Al Smith dinner, eschewing a decades-old campaign tradition in which presidential candidates roast each other.

    Harris' campaign told event organizers Harris was instead planning to campaign in an unspecified battleground state.

    The annual Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation Dinner is traditionally held in New York City to benefit Catholic Charities and is hosted by the archbishop of New York. This year's event, on Oct. 17, will be the 79th.

    What is Headboard Harris so afraid of??

    Why won't she have a press conference???

    President Trump has Headboard Harris shaking in her pearls.. :D

  43. [43] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    And yet that was the first time you added the others. You have multiple versions of the question without the addition and you are still afraid to post the actual poll. With the margin of error it could be even. What do you say to a similar amount of people OK with violence to restore Trump to the presidency?

  44. [44] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    I hear Trump is chicken for a second debate. What do you say to that?

  45. [45] 
    Michale wrote:

    So, let's take stock...

    Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris has flip-flop'ed on every key policy she has ever talked about..

    Despite the flip-flops, Headboard Harris claims her values have not changed..

    And moron Demon'rats and slurping up the koolaid like their's no tomorrow!! :D

    "Hey. Because, for them.. There isn't."
    -John Madden

    And Demon'rats actually believe that Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is going to win!!!????

    BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Well.. Ya'all said the same thing about Basement Biden so everyone KNOWS that ya'all's credibility is in the toilet!! :D

    As Liz put it above..

    I suppose I can't be blamed if I don't want to miss an opportunity to rub that in the collective faces of Weigantians who actually believed that Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris and Tampon Tim NO-BALLZ Walz actually had a chance of winning against a tried and true leader like President Trump.. :D

  46. [46] 
    Michale wrote:

    Interesting to note..

    When Basement Biden was in the race, President Trump trailed Basement Biden amongst Union Rank-n-File. 44% for Biden, 36% for President Trump..

    When Basement Biden tipped out and Rank-n-File Union members got a good look at Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris.....????

    Union members support President Trump by over 60%... Which DIRECTLY led to the non-endorsement endorsement of President Trump by the IBT. International Brotherhood of Teamsters...

    For the first time in over 2 decades, Teamsters refused to endorse a Democrat..

    Because they know that Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is an economic catastrophe waiting to happen..

    As a leader, Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is useless.. Actually WORSE than useless...

  47. [47] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Lying again...60% of teamsters support Trump not members of all us unions...

  48. [48] 
    Michale wrote:

    Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris has been endorsed by the IRS Union...

    Social media users warned that a major IRS-affiliated union’s recent endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris is a serious red flag.

    The National Treasury Employees Union, a union that represents various federal agents – including those of the Internal Revenue Service – put out a statement this week praising Harris for increasing the IRS’ budget and endorsing her for president. X users saw it as more proof she should get nowhere near the White House.

    "The IRS Agents Union just endorsed Kamala Harris. That should tell you all what her plans are for us. Get ready to be taxed to death. VOTE TRUMP!" conservative commentator Joey Mannarino announced on X on Saturday morning.

    Anyone who honestly believes that Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris can actually WIN the election are the same morons who thought Basement Biden could actually FINISH the election.. :D

    Definitely a break with reality... :D

  49. [49] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Well, since you copy and pasted from FoxNews...Definitely a break with reality, but not in the way you intended...

  50. [50] 
    Kick wrote:

    I'll be nice when the moron trolls leave Weigantia in shame with their tails tucked between their legs when President Trump returns to the White House.. :D

    The troll seems to be admitting that he will never be nice... unless Donald Trump gets an invite to the White House. (?) Or maybe he meant "it'll be nice," which is a de facto admission he yearns longingly for a safe space... or both.

    Hay Victoria.. You remember in 2016 when President Trump wiped the floor with Hillary and you couldn't show your face around Weigantia for quite a while?? :D

    Two things:

    * I am never not here. Just because I might not be responding to posts does not mean my face isn't around Weigantia. Only a clueless fool or a befuddled Florida man would be daft enough to claim anything otherwise regarding the whereabouts of my face, and I sincerely mean that.

    * Donald Trump won the Electoral College. It isn't considered a "floor wiping" unless a candidate wins the popular vote, and Trump has never ever done that because he's got a verifiable ceiling of around 46% support of the electorate.

    On a related note: I informed the troll I would notify him when Donald Trump's presidential approval rating was over 50%, and I never made that notification because that verifiably never did occur.

    And then you gave some cock n bull story about how your boyfriend gave you a new car if you didn't post here in Weigantia for a while..

    I posted a fact about a bet my significant other made with me (although I concede it had an element of a dare built in). My significant other suggested (accused) to my face that I just could not read the posts without rattling off some kind of response... and bet me the vehicle of my choice should I succeed. I won the bet (dare) and demanded an M1A2. I never got possession of my badass tank, but I also am never not here reading the posts and rubbing my SO's nose in his epic fail of a dare.

    Yer so stoopid that you actually BELIEVED people bought that totally BS lie..

    The troll is so MAGA moronic and demonstrably delusional that its oxygen-starved two brain cells BELIEVE they are psychic and able to read the minds of me and multiple commenters; I know because I am an eyewitness living rent-free in its head, and it keeps rolling its eyes in search of a brain. :)

  51. [51] 
    MyVoice wrote:

    How did I miss this? DJT stock closed at $13.55 Friday, a new 52-week low. Big sad here - not.

  52. [52] 
    Michale wrote:

    Apparently, Tampon Tim NO-BALLZ Walz is on board the President Trump train now..

    "We can't afford 4 more years of this!!"
    -Tampon Tim NO-BALLZ Walz

    Even Tampon Tim now acknowledges how bad it's been under Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris!! :D

  53. [53] 
    Michale wrote:

    Muslim Mayor of Muslim majority city in Michigan endorses President Trump. :D

    "Though it’s looking good, he may or may not win the election and be the 47th president of the United States, but I believe he is the right choice for this critical time. I’ll not regret my decision no matter what the outcome would be, and I’m ready to face the consequences. For this, and for many other reasons, I announce my support and endorsement for the former, and hopefully, the next president of the United States, Donald Trump."
    -Amer Ghalib, Mayor of Hamtramck, MI

    The entire city government is Muslim and the city endorses President Trump over Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris.

    And just think.. There are actually simpletons out there who think Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris is going to win the election..

    How hilarious is that!!! :D

  54. [54] 
    Michale wrote:

    Demon'rats are running scared due to the Teamsters Unions endorsing President Trump by a HUGE percentage..

    Most polls show Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris tied or leading President Trump in the critical battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin after a commanding performance at the debate. Party leaders are projecting confidence publicly. But on the ground, jittery elected officials, strategists and allies are quietly pointing to warning signs for the vice president.

    The Teamsters withholding an endorsement from Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris this week — after internal polling showed most respondents backing Trump — is sparking fresh concerns that President Trump could have higher-than-expected support among union members, especially men. Labor leaders in other sectors attest that, like in 2016 and 2020, President Trump has maintained a grip on key parts of their rank-and-file despite his anti-union record. Privately, Demon'rats say Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris still has work to do to win over older, white, working-class voters who make up a large portion of the electorate in the Rust Belt and have been hit by high prices.

    President Trump's huge lead among the rank-and-file Teamsters members is a symptom of a much larger problem Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris and the Demon'rat Party have with the constituencies they claim to be the strongest advocates for. That's why Demon'rats are panicking.

    Election night is going to be even more EPIC than the 2016 election when President Trump wiped the floor with Hillary!! I can just picture all the Demon'rat tears that are going to be flowing.. :D

    It's going to be a sight to behold.. :D

  55. [55] 
    Michale wrote:

    The DUMBEST words ever uttered as a political agenda....

    DEFUND THE POLICE

    Leave it to the Demon'rat Party to create "the three dumbest words ever uttered in politics" and build an entire movement and agenda around those three dumbest words...

    And yet.. There are STILL ignorant people out there who thinks Token DEI-Hire Headboard Harris can actually win the election! :D

    Hilarious!!!

  56. [56] 
    Michale wrote:

    Well, back to work for me..

    Have to keep the streets of Florida safe for democracy...

    Ya'all have a great day! I know I will!! :D

  57. [57] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    According to the ex-RNC chair, Florida has a good chance of flipping this year. So, yes keep Florida safe for Real democracy...

  58. [58] 
    MtnCaddy wrote:

    Bashi
    57

    And with that black KKK guy running for NC’s governorship it looks like NC joins the “tossup” category alongside FL and GA.

    We’ll never know if Joe would have done to Trump what Kamala is doing to Trump right now. Repugsare going to be crushed just in time to celebrate the 80th anniversary of Goldwater’s humiliation.

  59. [59] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    The irony being that they would not call Goldwater liberal but I think the modern Trump party would call him woke and a RINO...

  60. [60] 
    Kick wrote:

    MyVoice
    51

    How did I miss this? DJT stock closed at $13.55 Friday, a new 52-week low. Big sad here - not.

    I know, right!? Stock market hitting new highs daily lately while at the same time DJT stock hitting lows. Today, it closed at $12.15, down $1.40... another 10.33% loss in one day. Sorry, NOT sorry.

    DJT bigly loser. *laughs*

  61. [61] 
    Kick wrote:

    Demon'rats are running scared due to the Teamsters Unions endorsing President Trump by a HUGE percentage..

    Incorrect. Troll either has really bad sources of information or he's making them up. Either way, this is false.

    The national Teamsters Union endorsed neither candidate. The joint councils and local Teamsters Unions are endorsing Harris:

    In fact, Harris received so many endorsements from Teamsters joint councils and union locals in states across the country that her campaign is now touting endorsements of the Democrat from units representing more than one million of the labor organization’s 1.3 million members. And they’ve gotten a boost from James P. Hoffa, who led the union for decades as its general president. Hoffa ripped into the current leadership, calling the failure to back the Democratic ticket this year “a critical error and, frankly, a failure of leadership by Sean O’Brien.”

    “This election is too important for our union not to do its duty. We must take a stand for working Americans,” declared the 83-year-old Hoffa, who has retained widespread loyalty within the union since he retired in 2022. “There is only one candidate in this race that has supported working families and unions throughout their career, and that is Vice President Kamala Harris.”

    https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/kamala-harris-teamsters-endorsements-election/

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    In other news, Trump supporters in huge numbers rushed to claim that endorsements don't mean a damn thing when Taylor Swift posted an endorsement of Harris-Walz in a post to her 283 million followers on Instagram (now 284 million followers). Not surprisingly, Trump had posted a knowingly fake endorsement because lying and posting misinformation is a hallmark of Republicans and MAGAts.

  62. [62] 
    Kick wrote:

    [54]

    Plagiarized (with racism added by plagiarist troll).

    Original article:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/20/trump-union-voters-democrat-fears-00180171

  63. [63] 
    BashiBazouk wrote:

    Kick [62]

    Don't forget the misogyny, our Trump troll would not be the same without a good sprinkling of misogyny to go with his racism. Your basic double barrel of stupidity...

  64. [64] 
    Kick wrote:

    BashiBazouk
    62

    Yep. Not sure who the plagiarist racist misogynist MAGAt troll is trying to convince on this blog... oh, wait... probably himself. *laughs*

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