Friday Talking Points -- Ronald Reagan Would Be Ashamed
Remember when the Republican Party, as a whole, absolutely revered the memory of Ronald Reagan? It really wasn't that long ago. Their devotion was so pronounced that we even took to using the term "Saint Ronald of Reagan" whenever we wrote about Republicans lauding him to the skies, just to poke fun at their deification (or at the least, canonization or beatification) of a politician that, in our humble opinion, really didn't deserve such devotion.
Jumping forward to the present, each incoming president gets to choose how to decorate the White House, which includes the art on the walls of the Oval Office. We have to say it was somewhat of a surprise to learn that Donald Trump in his second presidency chose to hang a painting of Reagan on the wall overlooking the same desk Ronnie used to sit behind. We learned this fact from the following article, which (please note) was written before what just happened in the Oval Office today:
On the wall overlooking the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office is a portrait of the 40th president, Ronald Reagan. If it could move, it would likely turn its back in shame at the words and actions this week by the 47th president.
"Absolutely obscene," said Tom Nichols, a self-described Reaganite and former Naval War College professor, about Donald Trump's capitulation to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. "He ought to take that picture down."
Reagan labeled the Soviet Union "the evil empire" for its human rights abuses and expansionist foreign policy. Trump regularly praises Putin as a "strong" leader.
. . .
In just a single week, Trump has repeated Putin's talking points that Ukraine, not Russia, was somehow responsible for Russia's now three-year-long invasion of its neighbor. He called Ukraine's democratically elected president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, a "dictator" while offering kind words for Putin, who has had political opponents and critics murdered. He pushed Ukraine to pay protection money, in the form of handing over mineral rights, if he wants American help going forward. And he has demanded that Ukraine offer several concessions to bring about the end of the war, including giving up territory Putin has seized, while asking nothing of Russia.
Donald Trump has singlehandedly turned the Republican Party away from their longstanding (dating back to roughly the end of World War II) and staunch opposition to both the Soviet Union and Russia, and has now forced the entire party to openly embrace the dictator Vladimir Putin. That is an astonishing reversal, to put it mildly. Hillary Clinton even warned of this, when campaigning against Trump, accusing him of being Putin's "puppet." She could not have been more right, as today proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Ronald Reagan is probably turning over in his grave after the embarrassment the world just witnessed. You could almost see, in the background, Elon Musk passing Trump's puppet strings to Putin -- maybe with a few pointers on the best way to make Trump look more lifelike.
Trump had a hard week all around, because for the first time in his second term in office, he was faced with people who are strong enough to stand up to his lies. This began with meetings with the leaders of France and the U.K., both of whom corrected Trump's misunderstandings of the way the war in Ukraine started, has been fought, and has been funded. These, after all, are leaders of their own countries. They are not journalists who could get banished from covering the White House or members of Trump's party who can be threatened with a future primary opponent. They have their own domestic support and don't really care what American voters think of them. So they were free to smack down Trump's lies.
According to Trump, the United States has given $350 billion to Ukraine to fight against Russia -- a war that Ukraine provoked by flirting with joining NATO (which forced Russia to invade in self-defense). We gave Ukraine all this money while Europe barely gave them any money -- all of which were in the form of loans (not grants), so Europe will be paid back while America won't.
None of this is true, of course. America has given Ukraine $119 billion, while Europe has given Ukraine $138 billion (most of which was grants that will not have to be repaid). Russia started this war of aggression and conquest without provocation. Which the leaders of France and the U.K. pointed out to Trump -- not that it did any good. Trump believes the fantasy version of reality in his head, and no facts will ever change his mind.
This all boiled over today in a disastrous Oval Office meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the Ukrainian leader. As far as Trump (and JD Vance, just for good measure) are concerned, Zelenskyy should have immediately prostrated himself before Trump and started salaaming, perhaps while chanting: "I am not worthy." That's the sort of visual they really wanted to see.
This did not happen (to put it mildly). If you can stomach it, the New York Times took the trouble to transcribe what did happen instead.
The upshot of all of this? While Putin's laughter was so loud it could almost be heard across the Atlantic Ocean, the portrait of Ronald Reagan behind Trump spontaneously burst into flames.
Well, no... that didn't actually happen. But it really should have.
Zelenskyy was then summarily kicked out of the White House. The planned signing of a deal for Ukrainian mineral rights was cancelled, as was a planned press conference afterwards. As of this writing, it is unclear whether a Fox News interview with Zelenskyy will take place later today.
It's hard to measure, but this may not have been the most disgraceful and disgusting thing the Trump administration has done this week, since earlier the U.S. voted against a Ukrainian measure at the United Nations that condemned Russia for its invasion of their country. We voted with Russia and North Korea, while all the countries who still care about democracy and freedom voted with Ukraine.
So Ronald Reagan's legacy is now officially in ashes. Standing strong against Russian aggression is now a thing of the past, as far as the Republican Party is concerned. Putin is a wonderful guy who has never done anything wrong, and when Trump eventually meets with him and showers him with praise (without a single word of rebuke), the Republicans will all join in the chorus praising him to the skies. This is not "Making America Great Again," this is "Making America Irrelevant." But as long as that's what their Dear Leader wants, that's what he will get from the GOP.
This is a dark day for America -- so dark, in fact, that it's hardly worth itemizing all the other embarrassments from the past week. Except one.
President Elon Musk held a cabinet meeting this week, which he graciously allowed Donald Trump to also attend. Musk did his usual schtick, in a humiliating reminder to the country of who is truly in charge at the White House. Perhaps he needed an ego boost because Tesla sales have now fallen by a whopping 45 percent in Europe?
This wasn't the most amusing Musk news of the week, however. We saved the funniest one for last, since we all could use a laugh right now. It seems somebody hacked the video screens on display at the Department of Housing and Urban Development this week, which all then started showing a little video loop generated by A.I.
The loop showed Donald Trump sucking on Elon Musk's toes.
Check it out, courtesy of the New York Times. Maybe the culprit will make another one showing Trump sucking up to Vladimir Putin soon? One can only hope....
There have been some signs of life in the Democratic Party of late, and that was even before the disgraceful display we all witnessed in the Oval Office today. This could be a direct result of the fact that Americans are paying close attention to what Trump has been doing, and want to see some stronger resistance to it from Democrats. They're showing up to town hall meetings with Republican congressmen and venting their outrage as well (which is encouraging to see). A recent poll showed that a whopping 73 percent of Democrats wanted to see more from Democratic leaders. Here is what one local Democrat had to say about what she was looking for:
"We need really strong voices of moral outrage, and I would like to see that. I am not seeing that," said Theresa Reid, who leads the Democratic Party in liberal Washtenaw County, Mich. "Any top elected, any top Democrat. They don't have to be elected, necessarily. You know, anybody. Any national leader would be really great."
Ms. Reid added: "It's risky. But my God. Don't obey in advance. Don't give up in advance."
Rachel Maddow took House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries to task in a recent interview as well, speaking specifically of standing up to Elon Musk:
"It feels like we are in the middle of a ketamine-fueled, middle-of-the-night, autocratic power grab that is rendering Congress irrelevant, that's rendering policy irrelevant and that's rendering the rule of law an afterthought, if not a joke, to those who are planning on staying in power indefinitely, without benefit of further elections," she said.
. . .
The broadcaster added she believed Americans wanted to hear from a senior Democrat that "you understand the scale of the threat, and you have ideas about how to interrupt what feels like something that we have not experienced since the Civil War in terms of the threat to our republic."
Senator Chris Murphy, who won the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week a few weeks back, is still out there fighting, and Senator Bernie Sanders is doing a barnstorming tour of America to whip up opposition to the new oligarchy as well. So we've got to hand out Honorable Mention awards to all Democrats who are at least trying to fight back.
But this week's MIDOTW goes to the governor of Maine, Janet Mills. In an event where President Trump addressed a group of governors, she was singled out by Trump for some abuse (over her state's resistance to Trump stomping on local control of education by dictating policies for schools on transgender students). Trump had apparently heard about this and asked her if she was going to comply with his orders or not. Miller tried to tactfully respond: "I'm complying with state and federal law," but Trump pushed back with a threat:
"We are the federal law," [President Donald Trump] retorted. "Well, you better do it. You better do it because you're not gonna get any federal funding at all if you don't."
Trump then repeated MAGA talking points on "men playing in women's sports."
"See you in court," [Maine Governor Janet] Mills eventually answered.
"Good, I'll see you in court. I look forward to that. That should be a real easy one. And enjoy your life after governor 'cause I don't think you'll be in elected politics," he said.
Another news story written about the exchange reported that Mills shot back: "Should be for me," in response to Trump's: "That should be a real easy one."
This is how you stand up to a bully! Get in his face. Make him lose his cool. And brush off his bluster and his threats.
For standing up to Trump in such notable fashion, Governor Janet Mills is our Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week this week.
[Congratulate Maine Governor Janet Mills on her official contact page, to let her know you appreciate her efforts.]
We don't really have any Democrat who was a major disappointment this week, so instead we are going to point out one thing that was not just disappointing but downright disgraceful this week in the world of journalism.
The previously-respected Washington Post continued its descent into ignominy this week, as owner Jeff Bezos further interfered with the content of the news organization. This follows a series of equally-disgraceful actions Bezos has been making over the past few months.
Bezos called the editor of the editorial pages in and gave him new marching orders. The editorial pages would henceforth be focused on supporting "personal liberties and free markets," to the exclusion of any other viewpoints. The paper will no longer publish opposing viewpoints on those topics, Bezos demanded.
To his credit, David Shipley, the editorial page editor, immediately resigned.
This move has been condemned far and wide, since it flies in the face of independent journalism and further diminishes the Post in the world of journalism. Marty Baron, who used to be the Post's executive editor, slammed Bezos for this move this week in no uncertain terms:
"[Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos is] saying that only his point of view is going to be represented on those pages and that really is a betrayal of the heritage of The Washington Post and, I think, a betrayal of the very idea of free expression," said [former Post executive editor Marty] Baron, who has slammed Bezos for "basically" being "fearful" of President Donald Trump.
"And it actually, in contrast to how newspapers, news organizations, honor free expression with a variety of points of view, it actually dishonors free expression, which is the most fundamental personal liberty of American citizens," Baron added.
. . .
"It says that, 'No, the only opinion that is permitted here is my opinion and you have to share that and there's no room for you on my pages, on our site, if you have an opposing point of view.' That is anti-democratic in nature."
One brave Post columnist (Dana Milbank) wrote at length how there is one clear enemy right now of the two ideals Bezos is dictating, that the newspaper really should be fighting:
[T]his much is clear: If we as a newspaper, and we as a country, are to defend his twin pillars, then we must redouble our fight against the single greatest threat to "personal liberties and free markets" in the United States today: President Donald Trump.
It is more than just a little sad to see what used to be an icon of the free press descend into toadyism in such a fashion. So while we don't actually have an award for "Most Disappointing Journalistic Organization" we have to add our voice to the condemnation of Bezos turning a previously-respected news organization into a paper tiger.
For shame, Jeff. For shame.
[Waves of people have been cancelling their subscriptions to the Washington Post in protest, after each one of these moves by Bezos, so that might be one way to let them know what you think of what Bezos is doing to the paper. Just a suggestion....]
Volume 785 (2/28/25)
We can't exactly endorse it as a talking point, but we did want to at least point out one Democratic senator who had some harsh language this week for Elon Musk, after he sent out a message to all federal employees to justify what they did last week. This was such a power grab that even some Trump administration people pushed back on it, mind you. But Senator Tina Smith of Minnesota put it in possibly the most memorable way, tweeting:
This is the ultimate dick boss move from Musk -- except he isn't even the boss, he's just a dick.
As we said, some rather strong language, but then again we resorted to some strong language of our own in one talking point this week, so we certainly can understand the urge.
Those were the days...
This first one is from a New York Times article. It's included here more for the construction than what the author is specifically talking about (the fact that Elon Musk fired a bunch of people responsible for nuclear weapons maintenance and also wants to see everyone's tax info). Because it can work as a talking point for all sorts of things really: "Remember when..."
Remember last month, when you didn't have to think twice about the safety of America's nuclear arsenal? Or how about last year, when you could file your taxes without wondering if the I.R.S. might share your Social Security number and banking details with an unvetted contractor? Those were the days.
$880 billion
Democrats have been handed a gift by House Republicans. So hammer them with it!
"House Republicans are just flat-out lying to the American public about what they plan to do with next year's budget. They swear up and down that the bill they passed 'doesn't even mention Medicaid,' but that's really just an artful lie. Sure, they didn't use the actual word 'Medicaid,' but they did include a mandate to cut a whopping eight hundred and eighty billion dollars from either Medicare, Medicaid, or the children's health insurance program. That's close to a trillion dollars to slash, and it has to come from somewhere. Donald Trump keeps swearing up and down he's not going to cut Medicaid, but he's lying too. Because those cuts are in the bill. So every time a Republican lies about it to a journalist, the very next question should be: 'Well, if you're not going to cut it from Medicaid, where are you going to cut it from?' Because they simply have no answer for that one. Don't believe their lies -- they are about to slash funding for the 70-plus-million people on Medicaid, plain and simple."
Bannon's got it right, for once
It's not only Democrats who have noticed this.
"I hate to admit it, but I agree with Steve Bannon, for once. He's out there pointing out that there are, quote, 'a lot of MAGAs on Medicaid,' and he's right. This is going to hurt a whole lot of people in red states, and it's going to mean a whole lot of rural hospitals are going to close their doors. All of these people -- including millions of Trump voters -- are going to pay a very steep price, even though none of them voted for ending their own medical insurance. You think these voters are just going to somehow not notice this, even though Trump promised he wouldn't touch Medicare and Medicaid? I think it is much more likely that one Democrat's response to the vote in the House might prove to be prophetic, when she said: 'We just won back the House.' There's a reason these programs are called 'the third rail of politics,' and Republicans in the House are about to find out why, that's my guess."
Nothing to see here...
Make America Healthy Again? Hardly...
"This week in Texas, a child died from the measles. When asked about it during a cabinet meeting, R.F.K. Jr., who is in charge of the nation's health services, shrugged it off -- while getting his facts wrong. Kennedy said there were two deaths when there had only been one, and he mumbled something about quarantines, even though that's not actually happening in hospitals. And he callously called the whole thing no big deal, trying the old 'happens all the time... nothing to see here... move along' excuse. In reality, this is the first American measles death in ten years and only the first measles death of a child in 22 years. And it is happening because fewer and fewer parents are getting their children vaccinated -- the child who died was unvaccinated. In unrelated news, a meeting of scientists to plan next year's flu vaccine was cancelled this week. Who could have possibly foreseen this sort of thing happening, with an anti-vaxxer in charge of the nation's health services? Kennedy's callousness is disgraceful, but it's precisely what you'd expect from him."
Banana republic shit
Sorry for the strong language, but sometimes you have to call it what it is.
"Donald Trump, while campaigning, kept trying to accuse Joe Biden of turning America into, quote, 'a banana republic.' But in reality, it is Trump who is now doing precisely that. Just this week alone, Trump fired a whole bunch of top military brass, because he didn't think they were personally loyal to him. He also fired some others -- top-ranking military lawyers -- because they might at some point tell him his orders to the military were illegal and unconstitutional. Trump decided that he would get to pick which reporters from the White House press would get to cover him and which would be denied access -- so only people who sing his praises get to ask him questions from now on. And the White House explained a visible bruise on the back of one of Trump's hands as being caused (you just can't make this stuff up, folks) by his 'shaking hands all day, every day,' because 'Trump is a man of the people.' Trump also put out a revolting video showing his fantasy of turning the Gaza Strip into his own real estate kingdom -- complete with a 'Trump Gaza' resort. I don't know what else you'd call all of this other than banana republic shit, personally. And that's not even a complete list of all the pettiness Trump's ego has been demanding, it's just the worst from this week, folks."
Down the memory hole!
There's another term worth using as well, here.
"Or maybe you could call it 'Orwellian' -- like the news story that the inspector general's office of U.S.A.I.D. has compiled two reports on the fallout from their agency being dismantled, but that the I.G. hasn't released them -- even to Congress -- because they are too scared of how the White House will respond. The reports show that this global audit found 'security dangers, risks of widespread looting and disease' and 'heightened hunger and desperation' worldwide. The ceasefire in Gaza may even be threatened by America withdrawing from the world in such a fashion. People will die of starvation, people will die of AIDS, and this is all a wonderful gift to China in terms of spreading their influence and undermining America's throughout the world. That's what these reports found, but nobody's seen them yet because the inspector general is too afraid of being the bearer of bad news to Donald Trump. It's so much easier to just shove such bad news down the memory hole, isn't it?"
Tell it to Ronnie -- I dare you.
And finally, we end where we began.
"You know what I say to all of those Republicans who are cheering on Donald Trump's embrace of Vladimir Putin right now? I dare you to stand in front of a picture of Ronald Reagan and say the same things. Look into Ronnie's eyes while you heap praise on a Trump for sucking up to the dictator of Russia. Just imagine what he would say to you as you become an instrument of Russian propaganda. You think Reagan would approve? You think he might have some harsh words for you? So yeah -- every Republican praising Trump right now should be forced to do it to Ronnie's face, just in the hopes that some small remnant of a shred of shame still exists within them."
-- Chris Weigant
Follow Chris on Twitter: @ChrisWeigant
yeah, I don't even know how to respond. it is a sad day in world history. a day that will live in infamy, so to speak. Donald has a lot of 'splainin' to do.
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Yeah, no. Galaxies away from shame at this point. Ronnie is about to become He Whose Name Shall Not Be Spoken. Reagan? Never heard of him.
If only we had a 25th Amendment.
Couldn't find a "Most Disappointing Democrat" so we default to taking down Jeff Bezos? OK - Bezos' move is reprehensible and awful, sure.
But how about a "Most Disappointing Democrat" award to EVERY DEMOCRAT WHO ISN'T JANET MILLS, CHRIS MURPHY OR BERNIE SANDERS for not speaking out loudly and often about what the hell's going on with this Republican administration?
John M from Ct.-
After today maybe it changes and I've seen many progressive outlets prodding democrats to do anything. I just don't think it's time yet. Close but not quite there. We follow politics and see the train wreck but I think the common person needs to feel it. I would guess a month or so after all the tariffs kick in. Maybe a little longer as farming and construction are a bit dormant being winter and not fully feeling the deportations yet. It has to start getting the 1/3 that don't vote and the center Republicans mad. I read today that fear of social media inspired MAGA violence from Trump or Musk posting to their respective outlets a representatives name that is not towing the line is a serious threat that is keeping the republicans, especially in the house, in line. It's not worth risking their families or having to pay for personal security. That has to crumble for anything to really happen. I also read that Musk is heavily leveraged on his Tesla stock for mostly twitter. At some point if the stock drops too much, loans get called and things get spicy. Tesla is just not worth the same as the entire rest of the automotive industry. The Musk bubble pops and Tesla drops to purely it's fundamentals and Musk is screwed. No one seems to really like him but love/hate his wealth. No wealth and I suspect he doesn't get the time day in the white house.
I think the Democrats need to fight Trump on his level and tie everything up in court. We know how long the clocks runs and there will be wins and losses but with shear volume, Trump's agenda can be slowed down to get the anger to catch up. As inglorious as that is, democrats just don't have that much power at the moment to do anything.
Maybe the continuing resolution will get them fighting. I like the idea of letting the federal government shut down, and as things get tight call a general strike but this is happening too soon, not enough people are feeling it yet and democrats would likely get blamed...
Yo don’t forget about AOC and Jasmine Crockett.
Yeah but Trump is coming so fast and hard that patience (for example, James Carville’s recomendation that the Dems just kick back and watch the Repugs implode) is no longer anything but an excuse.
Anything less than the most strident and effective opposition to Trump’s billionaire brigade will make it abundantly clear that establishment Dems are in on it.
There has been very little good news since 20 January - except in the federal courts. This is thanks to a collection of lawyers who are this week's (and every week for the near future) MIDOW.
The attorney general office at the state level is one of the least 'sexy' but most powerful. Unfortunately, most voters pay no attention when they cast their vote.
Anyone lives in one of these states should send them notes of encouragement and appreciation.
'... the attorneys general, who see themselves as the last backstop between the people and the president. Their multi-state lawsuits have temporarily stopped the president from revoking birthright citizenship, freezing federal funding and cutting off money for medical research. This week, they filed their sixth amicus brief in an action against the Trump administration, with 23 attorneys general signing on to argue the importance of the Affordable Care Act.'
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/27/democrats-taking-trump-musk-winning-00206310
This week's TPs were not punchy enough. And I will NEVER advocate including any Republican "turncoat" in a TP (Steve Bannon?!?!)
Instead, this week's TPs should have been about what Trump and company are GUTTING so the oligarchs can get their tax cut.
Examples:
"Hurricane-preparedness matter less to the GOP than lining Zuckerburg's pockets" (NOAA)
"Veterans' jobs on the chopping block for a $880-billion fatcat tax cut" (VA)
"Baby delivery sacrificed for DOGE 'efficiency'" (Medicaid)
And for "you can't make this up" TP, the newly-minted Secretary of Agriculture includes, among her solution for "high price of eggs", that the U.S. suddenly IMPORT millions of them from our (now-hostile) trading partners. So much for "America First"?!?!?
'USDA will explore options for temporarily increasing egg imports and decreasing exports, if applicable, to supplement the domestic supply, subject to safety reviews.'
https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/press-releases/2025/02/26/usda-invests-1-billion-combat-avian-flu-and-reduce-egg-prices
Ronnie Raygun had plenty to be ashamed of.
"Facts are stupid things."
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I completely agree. I’m going on six years hanging out down here and I’m still trying to figure out what FTPs are designed to accomplish. There’s no way a MAGAt is going to listen to a long paragraph in conversation. And we non-MAGAts largely speaking “the choir” and who largely speaking already know what’s in that long paragraph. So how and where, exactly, are these FTPs to be used?
I prefer, for example, Racism** puts the “R” in “Republican”.
**or Rich Bastards/Rifle Freaks/Religious Freaks/Reactionaries
I've been reading these since Huffpo days, and they have always come across to me as something for a letter to the editor, or to bring up in a discussion, not a for a slogan or tweet or FB meme or anything that demands short and snappy above all else. Short and snappy is a particular skill--a valuable one in most social media now--but is often pretty shallow. Being able to summarise well (the short bit) doesn't always go with the meme/slogan/snappy bit.
I would like to see some short and snappy, meme-worthy summaries of Chris's points. I can generally summarise pretty well, but as I say.... So who can turn Chris's points into memes/slogans that the rest of us can use in social media?
You people are such caricatures of hate and bigotry and intolerance it's so pathetic!!
I can predict EACH and EVERY comment ya'all will make with pinpoint accuracy...
ANY comment ya'all make will be variations on a theme...
"TRUMP IS BAD"
"TRUMP IS EVIL"
"TRUMP IS HITLER"
That's it..
That is ya'all's ENTIRE comment repertoire.. :eyeroll:
Liz is the only one left here who actually has REAL comments anymore...
All of the rest of ya'all are simply caricatures of one trick pony comments.. :eyeroll:
Yawn.
I have been saying for YEARS now how much CW and Weigantia have changed..
I have been saying for YEARS now how Trump/America Hate and PTDS have completely degraded the quality of the commentaries and the comments..
And, apparently.....
This week's TPs were not punchy enough. And I will NEVER advocate including any Republican "turncoat" in a TP (Steve Bannon?!?!)
-Italy Rusty
I completely agree. I’m going on six years hanging out down here and I’m still trying to figure out what FTPs are designed to accomplish. So how and where, exactly, are these FTPs to be used?
-MtnCaddy
I've been reading these since Huffpo days, and they have always come across to me as something for a letter to the editor, or to bring up in a discussion, not a for a slogan or tweet or FB meme or anything that demands short and snappy above all else. Short and snappy is a particular skill--a valuable one in most social media now--but is often pretty shallow. Being able to summarise well (the short bit) doesn't always go with the meme/slogan/snappy bit.
-Mezzomama
I am not the ONLY one who has noticed this...
Oh sure... The Weigantian Trolls LOVE 2025 Weigantia. Victoria, Russ et al LOVE the hate and the bigotry and the intolerance because that is all that they are about...
I am sure Victoria Troll will come waltzing in here and lay into IR and MM and telling them to get with the hate/bigotry/intolerance program or go start their own blog!!
Nothing says "tolerance" and "inclusiveness" like "TOE THE HATE/BIGOTRY LINE OR GET THE FUCK OUT!!!"....
:eyeroll:
Weigantia has become a school playground for 3rd graders who have just learned a bunch of new curse words...
And, as I pointed out above, I am not the only one who has noticed it...
Bash..
Thanx for proving ItalyRusty's, MtnCaddy's, Mezzomama's and my point..
You did a PERFECT job of epitomizing the exact problem..
:eyeroll:
Zelenskyy has recently demonstrated a troubling pattern of behavior that raises serious questions about his intentions and respect for the United States. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent highlighted that Zelenskyy had twice refused to sign a minerals deal with the U.S., which would have exchanged billions in aid for vital resources. This refusal is not just a diplomatic blunder; it reflects a deeper issue of Zelenskyy's approach to his relationship with the U.S. and, more importantly, with PRESIDENT Trump. It appears that Zelenskyy was attempting to embarrass and extort PRESIDENT Trump into providing guarantees that U.S. troops would be sent to Ukraine in the event of another Russian invasion. This is a significant point that cannot be overlooked. Zelenskyy's actions suggest he was trying to leverage the U.S. military presence for his own political gain, which is both disrespectful and dangerous.
During a tense meeting, PRESIDENT Trump and Vice President JD Vance confronted Zelenskyy about his lack of gratitude for the support the U.S. has provided over the years. In fact, it was only after it was pointed out that Zelenskyy had never thanked America that he finally expressed his gratitude. This lack of appreciation is alarming, especially considering the substantial aid the U.S. has provided to Ukraine. It raises the question: how can Zelenskyy expect unwavering support from the U.S. while simultaneously failing to acknowledge the sacrifices made by American taxpayers? PRESIDENT Trump, in his role as a leader, is right to demand respect and gratitude from foreign leaders, especially when American lives and resources are at stake.
Moreover, it is crucial to clarify a common misconception: just because someone does not support Zelenskyy and Ukraine does not mean they support Putin and Russia. This binary thinking is not only simplistic and retarded but also dangerous. Many Americans are concerned about the implications of sending U.S. troops into a foreign conflict, especially one as complex and bloody as the war in Ukraine. PRESIDENT Trump has consistently emphasized the need for peace, not prolonged conflict. He has made it clear that he does not want to embroil the U.S. in a ten-year war. Instead, he seeks a resolution that prioritizes American interests and the safety of American lives.
In the recent exchange between PRESIDENT Trump and Zelenskyy, it became evident that Zelenskyy was not ready for peace. PRESIDENT Trump stated, “I have determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for peace if America is involved.” This statement underscores the reality that Zelenskyy may be more interested in leveraging U.S. support for his own political agenda rather than genuinely seeking a peaceful resolution to the conflict. PRESIDENT Trump’s insistence on peace over conflict is a testament to his commitment to protecting American interests.
The meeting culminated in a canceled press conference and a clear message from PRESIDENT Trump: he will not be extorted or manipulated into committing U.S. troops to a foreign war. Zelenskyy’s attempts to play the U.S. against Russia are not only disrespectful but also indicative of a leader who may not have the best interests of his country at heart. PRESIDENT Trump’s approach is one of caution and pragmatism, recognizing that the stakes are high and that American lives should not be gambled in a foreign conflict.
So... To recap... PRESIDENT Trump is the good guy in this scenario, standing firm against attempts by Zelenskyy to extort military guarantees while also advocating for peace. The narrative that opposing Zelenskyy equates to supporting Putin is misleading and harmful. Americans deserve a leader who prioritizes their safety and well-being, and PRESIDENT Trump has shown that he is willing to take a stand for what is right, even in the face of international pressure. It is time to recognize the complexities of this situation and support a leader who is genuinely looking out for America and Americans.
So say we all....
Basically Zelensky wanted PRESIDENT Trump to promise American troops on the ground in Ukraine if Russia ever attacked again...
PRESIDENT Trump told Zelensky to fuck off and die...
Zelensky didn't come to the White House to get peace..
Zekensky came to the White House to prepare for the next war...
And the funny thing is, Zelensky is a retarded moron..
If Zekensky had just signed the peace treaty/rare earth minerals deal, then THAT would have committed US support for Ukraine because the US would support Ukraine because it was in the US's best interest to support Ukraine..
Zelensky outsmarted himself and left with NOTHING but being hung out to dry.. Now the US has no vested interest in pulling Zelensky's ass out of the fire..
It's going to be a rare pleasure to see Zelensky return to PRESIDENT Trump, hat in hand begging for PRESIDENT Trump to make a deal..
Mezzo
13
In my writing experience coming up with words is rarely the problem — it’s cutting all the wasteful syllables and words out (aka shortening it) is the hard labor part. I’m tempted to give it a try, though…
Hey CW I’m getting that “Unsecured Page” crap displaying on my iPhone again. And it’s also signing me out despite “Remember Me” and I still don’t see any FelchingBoySploogeBlocking feature.
Do ya'all remember the year before the election ya'all went apeshit hysterical trying to deny the fact that Biden was senile and dementia-riddled???
Apparently, ya'all weren't the only ones who were hysterical about covering up the FACTS to keep the American people from finding out.
The situation surrounding Biden's cognitive abilities had became crystal clear for all Americans who witnessed first hand Biden's senility and dementia. The recent comments from Michael LaRosa, a former press secretary for Jill Biden, reveal a troubling FACT: the Biden campaign had been constantly gaslighting the public about these very concerns. LaRosa admitted that the administration was aware of the issues from “day one,” yet they chose to downplay them and lie about them writing them off as "cheap fakes and insisting that everything was fine Insisting that Biden was "sharp as a tack". This dishonesty was not just a political tactic; it is a blatant attempt to mislead the American people.
During the disastrous presidential debate with Donald Trump, Biden frequently lost his train of thought and stumbled over his words, leading Trump to remark, “I don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence, and I don’t think he does either.” This moment was not just a slip; it was a glaring indication of Biden's cognitive decline. Yet, despite this clear evidence, the Biden administration and its allies refused to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Instead, they engaged in a campaign of denial, attempting to convince the public that concerns about Biden's age and mental fitness were unfounded.
LaRosa's comments further highlight the administration's dishonesty. While he claims that the term “cover-up” is too harsh, he simultaneously admits that they tried to cover up Biden's cognitive issues. This contradiction is VERY telling. If they were aware of the concerns and chose to downplay them and lie about them then how could they deny that they were engaged in a cover-up? The fact is that the Biden administration had been dishonest with the American people, and this gaslighting was unacceptable.
Moreover, LaRosa's admission that the campaign was “scared to death” of letting Biden do unscripted interviews speaks volumes about their lack of confidence in his abilities. They knew that impromptu moments could expose Biden's cognitive decline, so they kept him under wraps, avoiding any situation that could lead to further embarrassment. This is not the behavior of a confident administration; it is the behavior of a team that knows their candidate is not fit for the job.
As Biden's approval ratings continued to plummet, it became clearer and clearer that the American people were not buying the gaslighting. The Biden camp's attempts to downplay concerns about Biden's age and cognitive abilities fell completely flat in the aftermath of Biden's disastrous debate. The reality was that Biden's senility and dementia was completely plain for all to see and the dishonesty of his campaing in trying to cover it up is a disservice to the American public.
It's amazing to me that ya'all believe ya'all have ANY credibility whatsoever after saying for YEARS that Biden was "sharp as a tack" and could handle the job of POTUS... :eyeroll:
"OBJECTION!!!! IRRELEVANT!!!"
-Weigantians
"Goes to credibility, your honor.."
-Michale
"Objection Overruled..."
-Judge
:D
And the dishonorably discharged druggie child rapist spews his whinings and cryings...
AGAIN....
Caddy [20]
Yeah writing well and briefly is tough.
Since the goal here in Weigantia is completely accurate Star Trek analogies... :D
http://mfccfl.us/TrekAnalogy.jpg
Unfortunately, here in Weigantia to date...
The only Trek analogies put the ANAL in analogies... :D
Yes, your fascination with Trump's butt is well known...
Says the guy who is ALWAYS talking about PRESIDENT Trump's butt... :eyeroll:
Still stuck on "No you are"?
But to your analogy, that you think Trump and Vance would fit in anywhere in the federation says you really don't get Star Trek at all...
I think Vance would make a good Vorta. He has that annoying yes man thing going for him.
For Trump you really have to jump to star Wars where he would make a great Hut. He's failed too many businesses to be a Ferengi even if the skin tones are close...
House Republicans are becoming weary and wary of in-person town hall meetings after a number of lawmakers have faced hometown crowds angry about the Trump administration’s push to slash government programs and staffing.
Party leaders suggest that if lawmakers feel the need to hold such events, they do tele-town halls or at least vet attendees to avoid scenes that become viral clips, according to GOP sources.
A GOP aide said House Republican leaders are urging lawmakers to stop engaging in them altogether.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-republicans-hit-brakes-town-052308234.html
Not a show of strength by Republicans. Democrats should go in to these areas and give these people a megaphone. Let them air their grievances.
Bashi
29
Yikes you’re right! So many Rules of Acquisition are being violated by Trump that I tell y’all:
Everything that Trump does is at Daddy Vladdy’s direction. Destroying our New Deal, messing with our allies and cozying up to Russia — how is Trump NOT #PutinsBitch?
Okay, I’ma give it a try:
TP 1
Every time Republicans take control of our government, they trash it. Then they run on “Government is broken — elect us and we’ll fix it”.
TP 2
Republicans don’t mention “Medicaid” but their House budget blueprint cuts all of Medicaid’s funding. All to pave the way for YET ANOTHER #NoMillionaireLeftBehind tax cut. America first!
TP 3
MAGAts on Medicaid will have to lose their health care and a whole lot more before some of them realize that they’ve been scammed.
TP 4
Anti-vaxxer RFKJR says that America’s first child fatality from measles is “no big deal”.
So how well did “no big deal” work when Covid came?
Not my very best content but I’m tired and drunk and I’ll look at the remaining TPs tomorrow and take my best shot at punchiness tomorrow.
Did I mention that I’ll get to the rest tomorrow?
*smh*
CAD you don't have to lie everyone knows you're stoned out of your gourd. :eyeroll:
Let me ask you all a question can you eat even consider the possibility that you people are wrong and the vast majority of Americans and Tech Geniuses and all the other people that are supporting president Trump are right.
Can y'all even consider that that possibility exists. No???
Congrats...
Yer fanatics. Ideologs... cult members... Retards...
Not worthy of ANY consideration of ANY intelligence whatsoever... Not even in the same GALAXY of objective reality...
:eyeroll:
Shit! I accidentally read a cho’mo post and we’re only 24 hours into March!
Cho’mo is a deluded fascist who is dying to felch Putin’s sperm out of Trump’s ass. Like all Repugs he knows that the only chance they have to win is to Gerrymander and suppress the vote. Soon enough cho’mo will disappear from Weigantia like he always does when the going gets tough. Looking forward to President Musk cutting funding for his job as PAIN is the only cure for MAGA.
MAGA is the disease and PAIN is the cure.
Now that’s what I call a talking point.
Yikes you’re right! So many Rules of Acquisition are being violated by Trump that I tell y’all:
He just doesn't have the lobes...
MtnCaddy [12]
In fact, I've posited that very question more than once in the comments section. No one has bothered to address it, least of CW. I agree that most of us who comment are preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, that seems to have been Kamala's and the Democrats' playbook in 2024, with the expected results.
Let me ask you all a question can you eat even consider the possibility that you people are wrong and the vast majority of Americans and Tech Geniuses and all the other people that are supporting president Trump are right.
When you say "vast majority" you are talking 1.6% more votes than Kamala from 64% of eligible voters. 1/3 of America is not the vast majority of anything. As for your "tech geniuses" If you are talking about Melakon and Thiel, they are paypal mafia and the scum of silicon valley. Why would I respect them? Bezos? The James Bond villain lookalike with his Fiancée that looks to have freaky amounts of plastic surgery. I still wonder where his secret volcano base is hidden. Ellison is the creepiest with his AI powered cameras everywhere watching everyone in a 1984 fueled nightmare. Just like Trump, just because they made money does not make them good people. So far Trump has done nothing good. Shat on the constitution, thwarted democracy both home and abroad, treated long allies like he treats his diaper. The list goers on and on. Can you accept you made a horrible mistake or are you a "fanatic. Ideolog... cult member... Retard..."
Not worthy of ANY consideration of ANY intelligence whatsoever... Not even in the same GALAXY of objective reality...
And yet here you are thoroughly addicted to dealing with us. Interesting that...
Mezzomamma [13]
I, too, found the FTP weekly column via Huffington Post, back before it had a click-bait makeover by its Buzzfeed owners.
I continue to appreciate the format:
Part 1: an essay noting the past week's events - more than once I learned about important news that one of my reliable sources has omitted
Part 2: MIDOW and MDDOW - food for thought and also a reinforcement of what "Democrat" should represent
Part 3: A list of "talking points" for the coming week. To my mind, this list should be exclusively 'short and snappy, meme-worthy' - and in the past, CW has had some good ones.
I assume at least some people who read the weekly column never return to the 'comments' section. So depending on someone else to clean up the 'talking points' misses at least some of the intended audience.
italyrusty [45]
I agree with you on the value of the shorter points--I suppose my ideal would be memorable headlines followed by something that you could quote or adapt for a letter or conversation. But Chris does what he does, and I certainly couldn't come up with what I think we both would like.
Hey, everyone! Did the Friday drama in the WH remind anyone here of anything? :-)
That's right. It was as if the CW.com comments section came alive, right before our eyes. What a train wreck. And, an exercise in getting lost in translation, to boot.
Who's to blame? Yes, now there's a game many of us here love to play. Ahem.
Well, how about, ah, JD? All he was trying to do was find some semblance of relevance for himself as the new number three. Heh. Did he have his interjection pre-planned? He probably didn't come up with the idea just sitting there on the oval office couch.
And, what about Zelenskyy? Clearly, he didn't get the proverbial memo and came to the WH quite unprepared. If he wished to avoid being kicked unceremoniously out of the meeting, then he would have refrained from getting into the fray with the bull-in-china-shop experts in the Trump administration. And, for the record and to ensure that nothing gets lost in translation, I don't mean that he should have prostrated himself in front of Team Trump like other international leaders have done.
As for Trump, I'm left wondering if he doesn't understand that the so-called 'minerals' deal he ostensibly wanted to sign with Z is wholly without substance.
"The U.S. Geological Survey’s (USGS) most recent Mineral Commodity Summaries does not list Ukraine as having any rare earths reserves. The country also has zero existing rare earths mines, processing facilities or known reserves."
Of course, the maps being used throughout the media tell a different story. That's because they come from the notorious Institute For the Study of War, run by the same neocons who cheer-leaded the 2003 Iraq War. Quelle surprise!
Ukraine Minerals Deal - High Risk, Low Reward
JL,
yeah, I don't even know how to respond. it is a sad day in world history. a day that will live in infamy, so to speak. Donald has a lot of 'splainin' to do.
So..
You prefer the war to continue??
You prefer more killing and more death and destruction??
Welcome to the woke progressive Democrat Party 2025..
Nothing else matters but the Trump/America hate and the PTDS... :eyeroll:
All of these facts should have become painfully obvious to even the most retarded woke progressive Democrat when their Party prostrated themselves before and bent the knee to and kissed the ring of Dick 'Darth Vader' Cheney himself..
Trump/America Hate Uber Alles...
PTDS to the max...
:eyeroll:
Part 3: A list of "talking points" for the coming week. To my mind, this list should be exclusively 'short and snappy, meme-worthy' - and in the past, CW has had some good ones.
Once again...
How many people must notice the FACT that there is a HUGE difference between 2010 Weigantia and 2025 Weigantia before the Weigantian Peanut Gallery acknowledges the facts and the objective reality, eh??
:eyeroll:
2025 Weigantia exists for one reason and one reason only..
To further the Trump/America hate agenda...
To spread the disease that is PRESIDENT Trump Derangement Syndrome (PTDS)...
The facts are clear.. To anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together...
:eyeroll:
Michale-
Why are you a Russia supporter?
And the dishonorably discharged druggie child rapist spews his lies and bullshit... AGAIN..
Face the FACTS, child rapist... You read each and every one of my comments religiously..
EVERY ONE knows this to be factually accurate.
Face reality, dishonorably discharged druggie child rapist...
You and I and everyone here knows you are not going to block me even if the feature becomes available..
You simply CAN'T help it.. You have to try and prove yer smarter than me..
And you CONSTANTLY fail because yer nothing but a washed up druggie who has been an utter failure at everything...
That's why you are alone now and that's why you are going to die alone.
A sad and pathetic caricature of an intolerant and bigoted fool..
I'll tell you one difference between 2010 and 2025, Michale used not be so repetitive. He still hasn't figured out what a fact is...
You simply CAN'T help it.. You have to try and prove yer smarter than me..
A very low bar...
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's recent diplomatic blunder highlights a critical misunderstanding of the shifting political landscape in the United States, particularly regarding his relationship with PRESIDENT Trump. Instead of genuinely seeking peace, Zelensky appeared more focused on securing a military commitment from PRESIDENT Trump, essentially preparing for the next conflict rather than working towards resolution. This miscalculation not only jeopardized Ukraine's standing but also showcased a fundamental disconnect with the realities of U.S. foreign policy.
For years, Zelensky was celebrated in the U.S. as a heroic figure, receiving accolades and support from various political and media circles. However, during a pivotal meeting in the Oval Office, he publicly questioned whether PRESIDENT Trump and Vice President Vance truly understood the complexities of the war in Ukraine and the threat posed by Russia. This confrontation was not only ill-timed but also demonstrated a lack of respect for his most significant ally. Instead of fostering cooperation, Zelensky's approach alienated PRESIDENT Trump and his administration.
Zelensky's perception of PRESIDENT Biden as a senile leader led him to ignore the substantial shift in U.S. policy that occurred with PRESIDENT Trump's election. The new administration had a different approach to foreign relations, one that emphasized negotiation and mutual concessions rather than unilateral military support. Zelensky's insistence on a security guarantee from the U.S. was misguided, as PRESIDENT Trump had already made it clear that he was not inclined to provide such assurances. Instead, PRESIDENT Trump proposed a minerals deal that would allow for U.S. presence in Ukraine, which he argued would offer a form of security without the need for troop deployment.
The meeting quickly devolved into a contentious exchange, with Zelensky's defiance and interruptions leading to a breakdown in communication. PRESIDENT Trump, frustrated by Zelensky's attitude, warned him that he was "gambling with World War III" and that he was in no position to dictate terms to the United States. This moment marked a significant turning point, as the White House rescinded its invitation for a deal signing, leaving Zelensky without the support he desperately sought.
Observers noted that Zelensky's failure to adjust his diplomatic approach could cost him dearly. He seemed to be living in a "pro-Ukrainian American bubble," disconnected from the realities of U.S. politics and the polarized nature of the Ukraine issue. Scholars pointed out that PRESIDENT Trump thrives on flattery and control, and any public challenge to his authority is perceived as a personal affront. Zelensky's missteps not only jeopardized his relationship with PRESIDENT Trump but also risked diminishing Ukraine's leverage in negotiations.
In the aftermath, Zelensky attempted to salvage his image by expressing gratitude to the U.S. and other world leaders, but he still refused to offer an apology to PRESIDENT Trump. This reluctance to acknowledge his errors may further strain their relationship. As Zelensky navigates this complex political landscape, he must recognize that his approach needs to evolve if he hopes to secure the support Ukraine needs in its ongoing conflict with Russia. The stakes are high, and the future of Ukraine may depend on his ability to adapt and engage constructively with the current U.S. administration.
A very low bar...
That's yer unsubstantiated claim.
And yet, you retarded morons can't even surpass that alleged "low bar"...
That says a lot more about you retarded woke progressive morons than it says about me.. :D
Would that change be traitorous levels of support of Russia?
Is Trump a KGB plant? Does it matter?
"A difference which makes no difference is no difference."
unsubstantiated? You substantiate it daily...
I realize that retarded woke progressive Democrat morons like you people have a short attention span and reading a long list of facts can be intimidating when there isn't any Trump/America hate or PTDS to latch onto..
So let me condense the above comment to something ya'all's very limited intellect can handle...
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's recent behavior in the Oval Office reveals a troubling desire for military guarantees rather than a genuine pursuit of peace. Instead of seeking a resolution to the conflict, Zelensky seemed more focused on securing a commitment from PRESIDENT Trump to send troops into Ukraine, effectively preparing for the next war. His approach suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of the geopolitical landscape, particularly as he appeared to believe he was dealing with a senile and dementia-riddled Biden, ignoring the significant shift in U.S. policy that occurred with PRESIDENT Trump's election.
During the meeting, Zelensky acted like a petulant child, disregarding the diplomatic norms expected in such high-stakes discussions. He openly criticized PRESIDENT Trump and Vice President Vance, insisting that Ukraine was the aggrieved party and showing no interest in a ceasefire. This behavior not only alienated his most crucial ally but also demonstrated a lack of respect for the United States.
It is absurd to think that opposing Ukraine equates to supporting Russia; only a retardedd fool would believe such a notion. The reality is that PRESIDENT Trump emphasized the need for peace, not conflict, and Zelensky's failure to recognize this could have dire consequences for Ukraine. If he continues down this path, he risks losing vital support and further endangering his country.
Did I dumb it down enough for ya'all?? :eyeroll:
Wow Bash...
Not only did you have to use retarded woke progressive Democrat propaganda sources, you even had to use EUROPEAN retarded woke progressive sources!!
BBBBBWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Come talk to me when you have some REAL facts, mmm kay???
You wouldn't know a real fact if it snuck up and bit you in the ass...
Peace that requires no concessions from the invader is not peace. Trying to shake down a country for money is disgusting. That you don't understand how cheaply Russia has been defanged shows how little you know about international affairs or even warfare...
Liz,
Glad to hear from you! :D I have waited for you to bring semblance of sanity to these discussions. Such clarity of thought is a welcome change from all the Trump/America hate and wallowing in PTDS...
It's always not only fun and exciting but it's valuable to engage in discussions about such important topics. I appreciate your perspective on the recent events in the White House, and I’d like to offer a different viewpoint regarding PRESIDENT Trump and his intentions.
First and foremost, it's essential to recognize that PRESIDENT Trump has consistently expressed a desire to end the violence and destruction in Ukraine. His focus has been on finding a path to peace, which is a commendable goal in the face of such a devastating conflict. In contrast, it appears that President Zelensky is more interested in prolonging the war, seeking military guarantees rather than genuinely pursuing peace. This approach not only complicates the situation but also stands in the way of achieving lasting peace.
It's also a perplexing stance, given the FACT that Zelensky is getting his ass kicked all up one side of Ukraine and down the other side of Ukraine.. What could Zelensky POSSIBLY hope to gain by sacrificing more of his people and his infrastructure to his war???
Regarding the minerals deal, while there may be skepticism about Ukraine's resources, the broader context is that PRESIDENT Trump was advocating for a strategy that could provide security through economic engagement. His emphasis on working together to stabilize the region reflects a desire to create a foundation for peace rather than escalating tensions.
It doesn't matter if there are rare earth metals in Ukraine or not.. By making the deal, Zelensky could have achieved the very security arrangements that Zelensky wanted!! Why Zelensky would intentionally scroo over that arrangement is one of the biggest mysteries of this whole debacle..
It's also worth noting that the dynamics of the meeting were complex, and Zelensky's confrontational stance may have hindered the potential for constructive dialogue. Instead of collaborating towards a peaceful resolution, his actions seemed to alienate key allies who genuinely want to help.
In other words, Zelensky should have wanted to AVOID a fight.. Instead, Zelensky INSISTED on a fight.. Weird..
So, To recap, PRESIDENT Trump's intentions are rooted in a desire to stop the killing and destruction which I am sure you agree is the ONLY worthwhile goal to have..
Zelensky's approach on the other hand, will likely and ???inadvertently??? prolong the conflict. Or maybe it WASN'T "inadertently", eh??
It's crucial for all parties involved to prioritize peace and work together towards a resolution that benefits Ukraine and its people.
The ONLY goal of ANYONE with more than 2 brain cells to rub together should be to end the killing and end the destruction.. Wouldn't you agree??
Again, awesome comment.. As I said above, you seem to be the ONLY one here who can discuss this issue without any Trump/America hate or ANY PTDS...
It's a breath of fresh air... :D
"She's a breast of fresh air... Uh, I mean a breath of fresh ass..."
-Artemus Gordon, WILD WILD WEST
:D
Bash,
We don't know what concessions Russia will be forced to make because Zelensky already frak'ed up the deal before we even GOT to that point..
If Zelensky was TRULY interested in peace, he would have gone along with PRESIDENT Trump with something along the lines of, "OK.. I agree to this deal in principle, but I am withholding final approval until I see what Putin is willing to concede.."
THAT would have been the SMARTEST move to make..
But Zelensky thought he was still dealing with senile and dementia-riddled Biden and could bully PRESIDENT Trump like Zelensky bullied Biden...
Zelensky thought wrong..
And now Zelensky is totally frak'ed..
His ONLY options now are to stay the course and see Russia take over Ukraine COMPLETELY or return to the Oval Office with his hat in hand and bend the knee to PRESIDENT Trump...
Zelensky totally misread the room and now Zelensky... AND Ukraine... are going to pay the price..
Did I dumb it down enough for you???
Or do you need pictures??
:eyeroll:
You mean while he was being lied too and yelled at?
Your guy is a traitor to democracy.
MAGA and Putin loved it. The rest of the world thought it disgusting...
Yea, well the rest of the world embraced Hitler...
Before they didn't. :eyeroll:
I see you can't get past your retarded woke progressive Democrat ideology, your hysterical Trump/America hate and your irrational PTDS...
So no further discussion with you is possible.. :eyeroll:
And you can't get past your copy and paste insults...
In the recent Oval Office debacle, it became painfully clear that PRESIDENT Trump is the true advocate for peace, while Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is acting like a warmonger, driven by misguided advice from the retarded woke progressive Democrats. Instead of seizing the opportunity to sign a beneficial mineral deal that could have helped stabilize Ukraine, Zelensky chose to listen to the Democrats, who are more interested in political games than in the welfare of the Ukrainian people.
Zelensky's arrogance and refusal to accept Trump's offer demonstrate a troubling mindset. He came to the meeting with an agenda fueled by the retarded woke progressive Democrats, who have consistently pushed for a prolonged conflict rather than a resolution. By rejecting the mineral deal, Zelensky not only insulted PRESIDENT Trump but also jeopardized the military and diplomatic support that only the U.S. can provide. His actions are a betrayal of his countrymen, leaving them vulnerable to further aggression from Russia.
While PRESIDENT Trump has made it clear that he wants to end the violence and destruction, Zelensky's behavior suggests he is more interested in continuing the war. The retarded woke progressive Democrats have led him down a dangerous path, one that could lead to further devastation for Ukraine. It’s time for Zelensky to recognize that aligning with these Democrats is not the answer and that embracing Trump's vision for peace is the only way forward for his nation.
And you can't get past your copy and paste insults...
Says the retarded woke progressive Democrat moron who can't get past insulting PRESIDENT Trump on an hourly basis..
Yer nothing but a Trump/America hating retarded fool... :eyeroll:
Duty calls...
Time ta keep the streets of Duval safe for democracy.. :D
Michale [67]
Another dumb copy and paste insult. Yawn...
Michale,
I'm not yet convinced that Team Trump knows how to craft a sustainable deal to end this war.
And, in any event, Russia is winning so why would they want a deal right now?
What I'd like to see now, in the wake of that oval office meeting, is Europe and the rest of NATO and Z step up to the plate and formulate a real plan for peace and security that can be presented to Putin as an opening for negotiations and sideline the US altogether.
But, I know that won't happen.
Liz. You may be right about President Trump not knowing the right thing to do. I disagree but am intelligent and mature enough to concede that I may be wrong and you may be right.
But that's not really the point in the here and now.
What IS the point in the here and now is that President Trump is the *ONLY* one who has the right idea...
President Trump is the *ONLY* one who knows that this war needs to stop!! All the woke progressive Democrats can do is FEED this war... Biden et al just FEED the war.
You just HAVE to concede this fact.. President Trump is the ONLY one who has the RIGHT idea... He may not know HOW to do it... yet... But he is the ONLY one who has the right idea...
And he is getting *ZERO* help from woke progressive Democrats and *ZERO* help from Zelensky. Which is strange because Zelensky is the one who has the most to lose..
That's just moronic. Everyone wants peace but a fair peace that allows Ukraine to exist.
A Mob style shakedown was the last thing anyone who wants peace needed...
Trump said he was going to make a deal. He failed. Another campaign promise down the tubes.
We will see how the opinion polls go this week. I think there is a good chance of a European deal quietly being signed by all sides with an intermediary going between Trump and Zelensky. But will Putin sign anything regardless of who makes the deal? That's the question...
Liz
70
And, in any event, Russia is winning so why would they want a deal right now?
Again with the uninformed comments?
At the rate that “Russia is winning” they’ll finish conquering Ukraine in 83 years. Except that Russia no longer has a bottomless supply of young men for the meat waves. No country has been sanctioned as much as Russia. The inflation rate is 9%, the prime rate is 21% and Western technical knowledge critical to Russia’s energy extraction — they can’t keep their systems going without it are gone. Four million barrels of Russian crude will fall off the market this year or next and meanwhile Putin’s Bitch won the election so I think Ukraine will start sinking the Russian shadow fleet.
I’d rather not be “winning” in the way that you think Russia is winning.
Caddy,
Again with the uninformed comments?
Uninformed? How so?
Always lovely chatting with you. ;)
Michale and Caddy,
This one is for you two! It's Cher in a live performance for the 50th anniversary of Saturday Night Live.
She bucks the trend in so many ways and here she does it by singing fully live without editing of any kind. She and her voice are the real deal. This fully live performance has received the seal of authenticity - AUTHENTIC VOCAL - by Fil Henley of Wings of Pegasus.
Authentic Vocal Seal of Authenticity
And, man oh man, what an outfit. It inspires me to get back on track with my workout routine. :)
Cher - If I Could Turn Back Time
Enjoy!
Watch the second one first, okay!?
Liz,
Yeah that share video turned back time caused a lot of controversy with the US Navy the military did not approve of that outfit and heads rolled after that video aired
I forgot how much fun this CW.com crowd can be... not.
You realize that this is Cher from just a few weeks ago, right?
yes, cher is tremendous.
Russia would want a deal now because they're in a position of advantage, but with big underlying challenges as they try to press that advantage. right now Europe would love to get out of doing what they now feel like they'll have to, and there's a rapidly approaching expiration date for putin's ability to exploit that, before fear turns into mobilization.
let's say the Russian armies do make it to kyiv before the end of Donald's second term; as awful as that would be for Ukraine, it would be almost as awful for Russia. they're paying for the ground they gain, losing troops much faster than they did at the outset, and in the meantime most of the rest of Europe will be re-arming at breakneck pace, getting ready to impose a settlement more favorable to them, and with less interest in any involvement by the U.S., no matter who the next president is.
so yes, Russia IS winning, for the moment. but that moment will pass if it isn't seized upon to gain a favorable peace settlement.
Russia has been winning, such as it is, for the last 19 months.
But, if Z and the Europeans can play their cards right, then this war could end soon and well, with the WH having sidelined itself.
I remain hopeful. I only wish I could be as hopeful of looking as good as Cher when I'm 78!
Hey, JL ... no insults! What gives? ;)
Um, I can stand in for JL and come with some insults. Readily!
;D
Thanks for the Cher videos. She’s becoming a National Treasure a-yup! Her and Jane Fonda *sigh* are amazing.
JL,
let's say the Russian armies do make it to kyiv before the end of Donald's second term;
Why would you say that? That's about as likely as me looking as good as Cher when I'm 78.
JL,
Oh, I see ... you think because I said that Russia is winning I meant that they are on their way to Kyiv?
That would be a silly interpretation of what I said. They are winning because they are gaining ground but at a snail's pace.
Caddy,
You forgot about Dolly!
Rockin'
@Liz,
if you really want an insult i suppose i could oblige, but you really didn't write anything insult worthy. you made a coherent argument and shared an outstanding video, so what's to insult?
JL
Liz
Sho yo right about Dolly!
JL,
Do you HONESTLY believe that Europe and Ukraine can find a solution if the US sits on the sideline..
I mean, look at what you are saying..
Europe and Ukraine are going to make a deal with Putin after totally blowing off US support SOLELY on the basis of their claim that you CAN'T make a deal with Putin!!???
Where is the frakin' logic in that!!???
If you HONESTLY believe that Europe and Ukraine can make a deal with Putin WITHOUT USA involvement???
Then I have some prime swampland here in FL I wanna sell you... And I'll even throw in a bridge in Brooklyn
:eyeroll:
Ya'all remember when 2025 CW, at the beginning of the Ukraine war, said that Ukraine should make peace with Russia to save lives and prevent the destruction of Ukraine??
2025 CW said that Russia would steamroll over Ukraine and the war would be over in a matter of hours and Ukraine would lose…
Then PRESIDENT Trump started saying the same thing..
Started saying that Ukraine should accept their losses and make peace..
THEN... ALL OF THE SUDDEN 2025 CW changed his stance and now says that Ukraine should fight to the bitter end..
You see the pattern?? CW and all the woke progressive Democrats’ positions are simply the diametric opposite of what PRESIDENT Trump says.. :eyeroll:
No better proof that 2025 CW and woke progressive Democrats are RULED by their Trump/America hate and their PTDS…
The positions they take on ANY given subject is simply the OPPOSITE of whatever PRESIDENT Trump’s position is. :eyeroll:
Europe and Ukraine are going to make a deal with Putin after totally blowing off US support SOLELY on the basis of their claim that you CAN'T make a deal with Putin!!???
Since woke progressive Democrats and Ukraine have established the "fact" that "you CAN'T make a deal with Putin and Russia!!!" and therefore WON'T make a deal with Putin and Russia, then this war will go on for years and years...
And it will only end ONE WAY..
With Russia completely absorbing Ukraine...
Great job, retarded woke progressive Democrat morons..
Ya'all just gave Russia and Putin EVERYTHING he wants!!!
:eyeroll:
Between getting dates wrong and dumb slurs, [90-92] seem quite incoherent. There is a side bar with complete history. How about linking to what you are trying (unsuccessfully) to talk about?
But if Putin is untrustworthy, then he is untrustworthy to Trump as well...
It's funny how you woke progressive Democrats always cheered on Odumbo and Biden when THEY were dumping on Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel....
The treatment of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by Odumbo and Biden starkly contrasts with the cordial relationship that President Trump maintained with Zelensky. While PRESIDENT Trump is facing criticism for throwing Zelensky out of the Oval Office, the humiliation and disrespect directed at Netanyahu by Odumbo and Biden were far more severe and damaging.
Odumbo's public snubbing of Netanyahu during a 2010 White House meeting set a precedent for the disrespect that would continue under Biden. The Odumbo administration's refusal to engage with Netanyahu on equal footing, including a notable incident where Obama held a private dinner without the Israeli leader, exemplified a deliberate attempt to create "daylight" between the U.S. and Israel. This was not merely a matter of diplomatic disagreement; it was a systematic undermining of Netanyahu's position, which was further exacerbated by derogatory comments made by anonymous officials within the Odumbo administration.
In stark contrast, Zelensky's attempts to extort the United States for military aid during a critical time for Ukraine cannot be overlooked. While Zelensky engaged in questionable tactics, Netanyahu has never resorted to such measures. This fundamental difference highlights the integrity with which Netanyahu has approached his role as a leader, even in the face of significant challenges.
Biden's treatment of Netanyahu has been equally troubling. Reports of Biden using profanity to describe Netanyahu, calling him a "fucking liar" and a "pain in my ass," reveal a level of disrespect that is unbecoming of a U.S. president. Such language not only undermines diplomatic relations but also sends a message of disdain to allies. In contrast, PRESIDENT Trump consistently maintained a cordial demeanor towards Zelensky, despite the controversies surrounding their interactions.
The media's reaction to the spats between Trump and Zelensky has been overwhelmingly sympathetic towards Zelensky, while Netanyahu's struggles for support from European leaders and the media during the Obama and Biden administrations were met with indifference. This disparity raises questions about the fairness and consistency of international responses to leaders facing existential threats.
So, let's recap... the treatment of Netanyahu by Odumbo and Biden was not only disrespectful but also damaging to U.S.-Israel relations. The contrast with PRESIDENT Trump's approach to Zelensky underscores a troubling trend in how woke progressive Democrat presidents engage with foreign leaders, particularly those who are allies in the fight against anti-democratic regimes.
Hypocrisy. It's not a bug in Democrat programming. It's a feature.
Bash,
And you can't get past your copy and paste insults...
Due to the website problems, EVERYONE has to copy and paste their comments, you retarded woke progressive Democrat moron!!! :eyeroll:
But if Putin is untrustworthy, then he is untrustworthy to Trump as well...
So, how is Europe and Ukraine going to make a peace deal with Putin??
Answer that, you retard! :eyeroll:
Why don't you respond with any FACTS of your own that refute the facts presented??
Because you can't.. You HAVE NO facts..
So, the BEST you can muster is that you whine and cry hysterically about HOW I post, never actually ABLE to refute ANY of the facts..
[94]
Not improving the coherency. Obama did not meet with Netanyahu in 2010 because he was on a foreign visit. Do you mean 2012? Or is this some FoxNews/delusion thing? AI hallucination and you forgot to check your work?
The comment box works fine for me. Not sure what your problem is. At least with posting, beyond that I do have some theories...
Bla bla bla NO FACTS, bla bla bla
You really have the old man yells at clouds thing down...
And, as usual, retarded woke progressive Democrat Bash doesn't have a single solitary FACT to back up ANY of his bullshit claims..
Tell me retard.. How is Zelensky going to make a deal with Putin for peace WITHOUT the US if Zelensky has stated that Putin isn't trustworthy and no one can believe ANY deal with Putin would work??
Yunno what.. Don't bother answering...
You never have any facts to support your bullshit so it's useless to even ask you..
:eyeroll:
Considering how many dates you have gotten completely wrong in the last bunch of posts, I wouldn't be criticizing anyone on "facts" at the moment...
But for shits and giggles, if Putin is untrustworthy, how is Trump going to make a deal under the same conditions? Seems like you just argued yourself in a box there.
Damn, CW..
You have outdid yerself..
Dozens and dozens and dozens of links..
And with just a FEW exceptions....
ALL of them are HuffPoop, WaPoop and NY SLIMES...
It's no wonder your commentaries are nothing but Trump/America hate and PTDS..
Information wise, that is ALL your world consists of...
You have absolutely ZERO experience outside of the HuffPoop/WaPoop/NY SLIMES bubble....
It all makes sense now... :eyeroll:
Have you looked at your own bubble recently?
My bubble??
You mean the "bubble" that includes SALON, WaPooP, The Atlantic, SALON again, USA TODAY, POLITICO, FOXNEWS, REAL CLEAR POLITICS, WaPoop again, NY SLIMES, POLITICO again, CNBC, MSNBC, MSN, Newsweek, DAILY MAIL, NBC NEWS, CBS News, THE HILL, MSNBC again, MSN again, YAHOO, JPOST, THE NY POST, WALL STREET JOURNAL, VARIETY, NY SLIMES again, LA TIMES, AL JAZEERA, JPOST again, TELEGRAPH, Peggy Noonan, Bari Weiss, etc etc etc..
Is THAT the "bubble" you are referring to, you retarded Democrat moron?? :eyeroll:
Is THAT the "bubble" you are referring to, you retarded Democrat moron?? :eyeroll:
For example, retard... Here is a comment whose basis comes from MSNBC...
The recent commentary blaming President Trump for the downward trend in economic data is not only misguided but also lacks a factual basis. The author seems to be engaging in a hysterical fear-mongering campaign, attempting to pin the blame for complex economic issues squarely on Trump’s shoulders, despite the fact that he has not been in office long enough to enact policies that would significantly impact the real world.
The assertion that Trump's economic agenda has "spooked" consumers and businesses is a gross oversimplification. Economic sentiment can fluctuate for a myriad of reasons, and attributing this solely to Trump's tariffs and policies ignores the broader context. For instance, the Consumer Confidence survey's recent decline is just one data point in a noisy series, and it’s important to recognize that economic conditions are influenced by a multitude of factors, including global events and pre-existing economic stressors.
Moreover, the author fails to acknowledge that the "hard data"—such as jobs, GDP, and unemployment—still reflect a robust economy. The claim that businesses are "clearly concerned" and know who to blame is laughable. Businesses have always navigated uncertainty, and to suggest that they are solely attributing their challenges to Trump’s policies is an oversimplification of the complexities they face.
In essence, the author is long on alarmist rhetoric but short on actual facts. It’s easy to point fingers and create a narrative of doom, but the reality is that economic trends take time to develop and are influenced by a wide array of factors. Instead of scapegoating Trump, perhaps a more nuanced analysis of the economic landscape is warranted.
You really are a retarded Democrat, ain'tcha Bash??? :eyeroll:
Welp, now my time belongs to my lovely wife of 44 years..
Our 44th wedding anniversary is tomorrow.. :D
It's no wonder people like Bash, the dishonorably discharged druggie child rapist et al are so bitter and intolerant and bigoted...
They are all alone.. :eyeroll:
But fear not, Weigantian trolls..
My lovely wife has to work, so I'll be spending my day with ya'all...
ALL day... :D
Naw, don't thank me.. I am happy to help ya'all out.. :D
Hasta manana... :D
Is THAT the "bubble" you are referring to,
Real or just making it up? It's not like you link to anything...
Do you insult your wife as well? Man, you are definitely on the decline...
MtnCaddy
12
There’s no way a MAGAt is going to listen to a long paragraph in conversation.
And if one does, it's almost guaranteed the subject matter will fly right over its tiny little unfocused mind. They generally prattle on and on with a list of whining grievances that are usually dead-on accurate depictions of themselves. You can't fix stupid, but the hats make it easy to identify.
I prefer, for example, Racism** puts the “R” in “Republican”.
**or Rich Bastards/Rifle Freaks/Religious Freaks/Reactionaries
Russian useful idiots.
BashiBazouk
44
And yet here you are thoroughly addicted to dealing with us. Interesting that...
Nice post, Bashi. The troll's sick obsession with us is again duly noted. :)
Elizabeth Miller
47
As for Trump, I'm left wondering if he doesn't understand that the so-called 'minerals' deal he ostensibly wanted to sign with Z is wholly without substance.
Absolutely totally without substance. He definitely seems to not understand, but Trump will do what he always does and profusely propagandize and confuse the MAGAts with lies and gaslighting.
"The U.S. Geological Survey’s (USGS) most recent Mineral Commodity Summaries does not list Ukraine as having any rare earths reserves. The country also has zero existing rare earths mines, processing facilities or known reserves."
You will confuse them with Science.
Of course, the maps being used throughout the media tell a different story. That's because they come from the notorious Institute For the Study of War, run by the same neocons who cheer-leaded the 2003 Iraq War. Quelle surprise!
Vous les confondrez avec le français. :)
Kick
107
Duh-Oh! I sure overlooked that one.
One could go with Russophile but a lot of MAGAts don’t know just what that word means. *smh*