While acknowledging the humor of the cartoon :D it does bring up a serious point.. As political cartoons are wont to do.. :D
The idea that Bush et al might use civilian mercenaries to instigate an "incident" with Iran to allow for a US "response"...
Now that I have ya'all in a tither screaming how wrong that would be, consider this..
Unsubstantiated rumors and reports had FDR knowing about the attack on Pearl Harbor. He declined to do anything about is as he knew that the US's entry into WWII was necessary to the world's survival.
So, to be objective, you have to consider the FDR/Pearl Harbor, or The Dead Zone scenario. Insofar that our attacking Iran might be a GOOD thing....
Any takers?? :D
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 04:15 ]
[2]
Michale wrote:
And then, of course, we have the story that the radical and hysterical Left DOESN'T want anyone to know...
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 08:34 ]
[3]
CDub wrote:
Michale wrote:
And then, of course, we have the story that the radical and hysterical Left DOESN'T want anyone to know…
US military deaths in Iraq lowest in 14 months….
~~~~~~
Darn those ever present (in Michale's mind) radical and hysterical left. And then, of course, the facts Michale hopes you'll miss:
Last years military death count, 822.
This years count 802, and the numbers for September are not yet complete.
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 09:38 ]
[4]
Michale wrote:
Which doesn't change the fact that the US Deaths in the month of September are the lowest that have been since July 2006..
But thanx for proving my point.. Regardless of the facts, the hysterical and radical Left will spin anything to show that the USA is in the wrong..
Let me ask you something.. What has happened to you that would cause you to hate your own country so much that you would support it's enemies??
You remind me of Cindy Sheehan who actually PRAISED the scumbags who killed her own son...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 11:13 ]
[5]
CDub wrote:
Your radical hysteria is showing Michale.
When the USA is wrong, it's wrong, whether you like it or not.
I've never expressed hatred for my country, and I will never support it's enemies. I've hand built technologies that have been used to train military pilots for the last 25 years. I've personally designed technologies in use the world over by the US air force protecting the lives of pilots and their passengers. I've personally designed technologies that are used to manage and maintain one of the largest stocks of WMD's known to man, right here in the USA. I will never support fascism or terrorism, so when my government becomes fascist, and uses terrorism tactics, I will not be silent.
So the 63 who died in September, how much better off are they due to the fact that more died 14 months ago?
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 11:39 ]
[6]
Michale wrote:
>When the USA is wrong, it's wrong,
>whether you like it or not.
I completely agree.. WHEN the USA is wrong, it is wrong..
But that is a far cry from actively supporting the USA's enemies, which is what you do...
>I will never support it's enemies.
That's not what you said with regards to Iran...
>I will never support fascism or terrorism,
Yet you completely and unequivocally support Iran, which is THE largest exporter of terrorism in the world..
Sorry, but you have made your bed.. Now don't bitch at me because you don't want to lie in it..
>So the 63 who died in September,
>how much better off are they due
>to the fact that more died 14 months
>ago?
They are better off because they know that less of their comrades and fellow Americans are dying...
Unlike others, they believe that there are things worth fighting for...
Sadly, that's something that you, apparently, will never understand...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 12:03 ]
[7]
Michale wrote:
But, once again, you side-step the original question. You seem really good at side-stepping questions you have no answer for...
Since Iran IS a terrorist-supporting nation then doesn't it make sense to confront it BEFORE it arms itself with nuclear weapons rather than afterwards??
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 12:08 ]
[8]
CDub wrote:
The original question?
Let's see, so far in this thread, you've asked 2 questions:
Any takers??
-and-
Let me ask you something.. What has happened to you that would cause you to hate your own country so much that you would support it's enemies??
I certainly answered the second question, and I'm confident that the first question will answer itself.
And for the record, I'm not only adept at sidestepping questions for which I have no answer, I'm equally adept at sidestepping questions for which I do have answers.
Now a question for you, why do you unequivocally support fascism, torture, and war crimes to subvert democracies??
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 12:47 ]
[9]
Michale wrote:
Unlike you, I have NO PROBLEM answering questions without any ambigiuty or evasiveness whatsoever..
>Now a question for you, why do
>you unequivocally support fascism,
>torture, and war crimes to subvert
>democracies??
I don't...
And nothing I have stated to date could be construed as otherwise..
You, on the other hand, are on record as stating that you support Iran against the United States. A country which has been PROVEN to be a sponsor of terrorism.. A country which has all but been proven to be killing US Soldiers in Iraq..
With your support of Iran, you really have absolutely NO RIGHT to call yourself an American citizen... You should do EVERYONE a favor and renounce your American citizenship (if you haven't done so already) and move to Iran where you can support your chosen government...
Now, do you have any other questions???
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 13:08 ]
[10]
CDub wrote:
Michale wrote:
Unlike you, I have NO PROBLEM answering questions without any ambigiuty or evasiveness whatsoever..
~~~~~
So, that plus $0.25 will get you the down payment on the interest for a cup of coffee at Starbuck's.
~~~~~
>Now a question for you, why do
>you unequivocally support fascism,
>torture, and war crimes to subvert
>democracies??
I don't…
And nothing I have stated to date could be construed as otherwise..
~~~~~
You say, "I don't", but I can easily produce evidence in your own words to show that you're fine with torture, and that you support terrorism against democratic governments, even calling it patriotic.
So you answered the question, just not honestly.
~~~~~
You, on the other hand, are on record as stating that you support Iran against the United States. A country which has been PROVEN to be a sponsor of terrorism.. A country which has all but been proven to be killing US Soldiers in Iraq..
~~~~~
First, prove that I've ever supported Iran against the United States, don't hold your breath while doing it because next you'll have to prove that Iran is a proven sponsor of terrorism, and last, you'll need to prove that the Iranian government is killing US soldiers in Iraq. I'd bet that more American soldiers are killed by American weapons in Iraq than are killed by Iranian weapons. So should Blackwater be able to sell weapons to insurgents, but not Iranians? Should we bomb Blackwater the same day that we bomb Iran?
~~~~~
With your support of Iran, you really have absolutely NO RIGHT to call yourself an American citizen… You should do EVERYONE a favor and renounce your American citizenship (if you haven't done so already) and move to Iran where you can support your chosen government…
~~~~~
Your hysterical blather duly noted, now show any evidence that I've ever supported Iran.
If I were forced to renounce an American's citizenship, I'd find out who's got you brainwashed, and exile them to the farthest reaches.
~~~~~
Now, do you have any other questions???
~~~~~
Many, but I'd prefer to engage honest, intelligent people. No offense, but my niece could predict what you'll say next, and to quote the TV ad, "She's 3-1/2 years old".
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 13:50 ]
[11]
Michale wrote:
>You say, "I don't", but I can easily
>produce evidence in your own words
>to show that you're fine with torture,
No you cannot and to state you could is simply a bald-faced lie..
No CIVILIZED person could POSSIBLY be "fine" with torture..
You either produce the quote to where I said I was "FINE" with torture or recant your accusation..
Right here.. RIGHT now...
>and that you support terrorism
>against democratic governments,
>even calling it patriotic.
Provide proof or STFU.... (That means SHUT THE FUCK UP in usenet terms, in case you are NET-challenged. Just FYI.. :D )
I'll be waiting on your proof or your recantation...
>that Iran is a proven sponsor of terrorism
Iran supports and sponsors Hezbollah and Hamas... Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist orgainizations..
You aren't very good at this, are you??
Or are you denying that Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist orgainizations..
As for the Iranians supporting the Iraqi insurgency, do you really deny this?? Because it has been widely reported by such liberal news organizations as CNN, NBC, CBS and a host of others...
So, if you deny it, just let me know and I will show you for the .... ahem.. uninformed person you appear to be...
You said that the US would be committing "war crimes" if it attacked Iran.. Ergo, you support Iran...
Consequently, you support a state sponsor of terrorism against your own country..
I believe that makes you a traitor...
>now show any evidence that I've
>ever supported Iran.
I just did... Unless you want to deny that you made such claims...
Now, do you want to answer any of my questions?? Or are you going to run and hide... AGAIN???
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 14:02 ]
[12]
Michale wrote:
Hello??? Hello???? McFly????
tap...tap...tap...
Is this on....?????
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Monday, October 1st, 2007 at 14:24 ]
[13]
CWCunningham wrote:
!!! Disclaimer time !!!
When I drew this cartoon, I wasn't trying to suggest a false flag operation. In light of this Tuesday's article, I thought I should clarify a few points.
My point was just that the Bush administration has been trying to spin Iran into a war for years now, and what better spin than calling "fire from the east" as confirmation of an Iranian attack?
Labeling the enemy combatant as "Blackwater" was just sort of serendipity since they'll shoot at anything, and until recently, they've been under the impression that they can get away with it. The jury is still out over whether they will be held to account. I can easily picture them apologizing when it's discovered that they were shooting at US soldiers, and claiming, "Sorry, we thought you were an unarmed civilian."
Also, the spokesman was just supposed to be a generic character without any resemblance to anyone in particular. The fact that he ended up looking like Bush was entirely accidental and a testament to how poor I am at this stuff.
!!! Disclaimer ends !!!
This reminds me of a story told by Isaac Asimov (poorly paraphrased)
where an audience member takes him aside after a lecture to discuss the meaning of one of his books. Asimov informed him that the meaning under discussion was not what the book was about, to which the audience member replied, "What makes you think you know what the book is about?"
[ Permalink ] [ Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 at 08:40 ]
I added the title "A Clear And Present Danger" to his work, because I thought it covered a lot of reactions to the cartoon. You'll notice I didn't identify WHAT was a clear and present danger... I leave that for you to decide.
-CW
[ Permalink ] [ Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 at 12:53 ]
[15]
CDub wrote:
Michale wrote:
No CIVILIZED person could POSSIBLY be "fine" with torture..
You either produce the quote to where I said I was "FINE" with torture or recant your accusation..
Right here.. RIGHT now…
~~~~~
Have you forgotten writing these words?
"Torture is simply a tool. And, like all tools it can be wielded incorrectly to further the goals of very bad men doing very disgusting things... Or it could be used by very good men to save innocent lives.. It's a tool.. The fact that evil (I hate to get into religious sounding dogma, but the word fits) things have been done with the tool does not make it any less effective in doing good.
Michale - 9/21/2006"
And have you forgotten these words?
"He is, undeniably, a patriotic American.. There isn't anyone on the Democratic side of things who has an iota of the integrity that Col. North has.."
So there's proof that you support torture and terrorism against democracies, even calling it patriotic.
By the way, where's the proof that I've ever supported Iran? Your railing on about Iran has nothing to do with me. You'll have to do better than just claiming I've supported Iran ... once again, don't hold your breath 'cause it never happened.
[ Permalink ] [ Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 at 17:18 ]
[16]
Michale wrote:
No I haven't forgotten any of my words..
Nowhere did I say that torture is "fine" and "patriotic"..
Thank you for your concession of that..
>By the way, where's the proof
>that I've ever supported Iran?
Do you deny stating that, if the US attacks Iran, it would be a "war crime".
You stated unequivocally that if the US attacked Iran, it would be a 'war crime'. You did not allow for the possibility (as any non partisan person would) that Iran may commit some attack or such on the US or it's allies.
That is support of Iran. Pure and simple...
Now, if you want to alter your statement, I am listening...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 03:12 ]
[17]
CDub wrote:
I never claimed that you called torture patriotic, just that you are fine with it. You've actually defended torture so many times in the last 3 years that it's not unfathomable to find you stating it explicitly, but it's not worth the time since you'll never be honest about it anyway.
I did say that you found terrorism against democracies to be patriotic, and I backed up that claim.
As for supporting Iran against the US, you really have to stretch there don't you (nothing new I understand). An illegal war is a war crime under international law. The Bush administration gyrated and spun day and night for months to try to hide the fact that they were going to embark upon an illegal war in Iraq. They built all sorts of lofty claims as justification to attack a country unprovoked, but the whole thing was a house of cards that tumbled down. They even outed a CIA agent in an attempt to cover their tracks, all to no avail. Everybody knows that the Iraq war was a war crime, some like you will keep spinning and gyrating over that lost cause.
Now the spin is being directed towards Iran, but now the administration has an even higher bar to reach in order to sell an illegal war. In fact, even if they can drum up conclusive proof of provocation, the world will not believe them.
I wouldn't put it past this administration to engineer a false flag attack to justify war (which is a war crime) because they're itching to embark on another really stupid way to funnel money from China into halliburton, and leave the bill to generations of American's yet unborn. But this really sets them up to get caught, Iran could probably engineer a false, false flag attack and let Bush and Cheney spin themselves right into the Hague.
All of these Bush wars are designed to benefit very few, and I'm not one of them, so don't expect me to pretend that Bush wars are some patriotic endeavor ... Where's Osama?
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 10:05 ]
[18]
CDub wrote:
"TORTURE
This is the issue that brought me to this forum. First off, let's use the term "Coercive Interrogations" (CIs) because that is actually more what the President is pushing, rather than outright torture. There is NO VALID REASON to halt CIs and VERY VALID REASONS to continue them.
Michale 9/16/2006"
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 10:26 ]
[19]
Michale wrote:
Once again, you cannot provide any shred of evidence that I have ever been "fine" with torture..
You have obviously researched my posting history extensively and yet you still cannot find ANY post where I have said I was "fine" with torture..
Of course I have stated many times (of which I am sure you know but will not post) is that torture is wrong. it IS bad.. I have stated that many MANY times...
So, to sum up.. I have never claimed that torture is "fine" or good and your claim to the contrary is a bald faced lie..
As to Iran, it is a supporter of terrorism and terrorist groups. FACT It is arming the Iraqi insurgency and supplying materials and troops that are killing American soldiers. FACT
This being the case, technically, we are already at war with Iran, with them drawing first blood. Ergo, any action taken by the Bush Administration would be retaliatory in nature. This would stand up in ANY international court of law and such action is FULLY within the auspices of the United Nations charter.
Ergo, your unequivocal claim that an attack against Iran would constitute a "war crime" is not supported by anything other then your fevered and hysterical anti-American sentiments.
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 ]
[20]
CDub wrote:
I think your words speak for themselves. Though I don't expect you to "see" it, because honesty hurts your cause.
And this:
"As to Iran, it is a supporter of terrorism and terrorist groups. FACT It is arming the Iraqi insurgency and supplying materials and troops that are killing American soldiers. FACT
Michale 10/03/2007"
Replace Iran with the USA and every claim made remains FACT.
Now which part of America are you proposing we invade.
In the, "You learn something new every day" department, Did you know that Bush and Cheney have been indicted on 31 charges in international courts for war crimes committed in Afghanistan? I didn't either, and I watch at least 5 news channels a day. And the court convened before the invasion of Iraq. It will be interesting to know what the current indictment count is, but it's hard to get information in this country.
Q: Where's this liberal bias for Americans interested in facts?
A: In Rush Limbaugh's rhetoric.
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 11:25 ]
[21]
Michale wrote:
>Replace Iran with the USA and every
>claim made remains FACT.
Prove it....
You have made the claim that Col North provided support for terrorist groups, but never backed it up..
Prove that the US is intentionally arming the Iraqi insurgency with troops and weapons..
Prove that those intentionally US supplied troops and weapons are killing US troops..
Prove those assertions with facts, not your hysterical and irrational opinions...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 17:10 ]
[22]
CDub wrote:
What?
I included the word (all uppercase) FACT, the same as you used as proof of your assertions. Are you suggesting that you're prepared to go beyond mere claims and show proof?
... I'm waiting.
[ Permalink ] [ Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 at 18:52 ]
[23]
Michale wrote:
Nice dodge... Actually, it was a pretty lame dodge but I was trying to be nice to you..
I have already shown that Iran supports and funds terrorist groups..
Now, do you have even ONE link that even HINTS that the US has intentionally provided weapons to the Iraqi insurgents for the purposes of killing US soldiers.
Do you have even ONE link that even HINTS that the US has intentionally supplied US troops to the Iraqi insurgency for the purposes of killing US soldiers..
Do you??
No??
Didn't think so..
Yer dismissed...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 03:20 ]
[24]
Michale wrote:
You'll have to wait until CW gets up, as I posted a LOT of links.. :D
I'll be waiting for you to reciprocate with your proof that the US is intentionally supplying weapons and troops to the Iraqi insurgency...
Michale.....
[Chris Weigant responds]
OK, they're up! Jeez, I gotta sleep SOMEtime!
Heh heh.
-CW
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 05:22 ]
[25]
CDub wrote:
No, you'll have to wait.
I enjoy teaching, but only the teachable.
I'm going to need $65/hr to research things you'll claim you don't believe.
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 09:19 ]
[26]
Michale wrote:
Brave Sir Robin ran away....
Bravely ran away away...
When danger reared it's ugly head...
He bravely turned his tail and fled....
Game....
Set.........
Match............
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 09:38 ]
[27]
CDub wrote:
What?
You can't afford to pay me for doing your research?
Ok, run away then.
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 09:51 ]
[28]
Michale wrote:
Yer just too damn easy... :D
Michale......
[ Permalink ] [ Thursday, October 4th, 2007 at 10:03 ]
[29]
dapper wrote:
Dear Mr. Cunningham,
I really enjoyed this cartoon, it was *Spot-On*. Kudos on ya! Agape.
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 01:26 ]
[30]
Michale wrote:
@CDub
I accept your concession.....
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 04:54 ]
[31]
CDub wrote:
I did offer to research it for you didn't I?
I will concede that the truth is not worth much to you.
But I'll tell you what, you make a pay-pal contribution to this site in the amount of $65 And you'll be getting a 2 for one deal. Supporting your favorite site and finding out that even I can produce links.
A genuine bargain ... unless you're ready to concede that the truth is not what you're really interested in.
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 07:43 ]
[32]
Michale wrote:
>I did offer to research it for you didn't I?
What exactly did you offer to research?? That the US has, in fact, intentionally supplied Iraqi insurgents with arms and troops???
So, let me get this straight..
You made the claim WITHOUT doing the research first??
Why am I not surprised...
>I will concede that the truth is
>not worth much to you.
That is your opinion, unsupported by facts..
I research my claims before the fact and then back them up after the fact.
You apparently, do neither..
So let me see if I understand you..
You want me to pay you $65 to do "research" to support claims that you have already made as fact???
Shaking head sadly Only a Democrat.....
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 08:02 ]
[33]
CDub wrote:
No, I want you to support Chris Weigant to the tune of $65. He puts a lot of work into this site, unpaid, and you come along and piss on all his readers. $65 isn't so much to ask is it, hell make it a hundred.
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 08:37 ]
[34]
Michale wrote:
You sure are pretty extravagant with other people's money...
Like I said shaking head sadly "Only a Democrat"..
As far as pissing on all his readers, if you call trying to get ya'all to see that you and your Democrats are just as flawed and wrong as the GOP counterparts you castigate... If you call that "pissing", well I guess that's your opinion...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 09:03 ]
[35]
Michale wrote:
Perhaps you will learn a lesson..
Don't make bogus and grandiose claims and then expect to be paid to research the validity of said claims AFTER you make them..
You are just like the HCGW lunkheads who make wild-assed alarmist claims and then have to recant them when REAL science proves them wrong..
Thank god a judge in Britain has finally ruled that AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH is a partisan political piece and NOT science..
There IS hope for this world after all...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 09:05 ]
[36]
CDub wrote:
$100 extravagant after all the work Chris does on your behalf? I'd have thought just the repair of your italics attributes might be worth that to you.
I learned a lesson, but I learned that long ago. Michale is not interested in facts, and so any time spent educating him is time up in smoke. He will deny and attack ... it's what he does.
Not that I mind backing up my claims, but since you will get nothing out of it, I just thought somebody should ... why not everybody who enjoys this site, including you?
Just not worth it for you eh, oh well.
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 09:36 ]
[37]
Michale wrote:
>$100 extravagant after all the work Chris
>does on your behalf?
You seem to be of the mind that CW puts this site up for me..
I can assure you that such is not the case..
I am certain that CW puts this site up for people to debate and argue the issues that he presents and brings to our attention....
Don't get pithy with me just because the likes of you, Gass and Spermy simply can't hang with the big dogs... :D
>Not that I mind backing up my claims,
Then, by all means, do so...
I am certain it's not for lack of desire..
It's for lack of capability and credibility....
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 09:56 ]
[38]
CDub wrote:
Ha ha, can't hang with the big dogs.
That's rich.
If the big dogs want to hang themselves, that's fine with me, but rather than hang with them, I'll make popcorn and pitch in a few lawn-chairs.
Sure, I'll back up my claims, let's make it $130. Eventually I'll hit a price that you'll find suitable.
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 10:06 ]
[39]
Michale wrote:
>Sure, I'll back up my claims,
Have at it...
Oh that's right..
I forgot..
You can't... :D
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 10:12 ]
[40]
CDub wrote:
$195 comes to mind, but let's hear your bid
What are facts worth to you?
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 10:19 ]
[41]
Michale wrote:
Seriously, CDub..
Do you HONESTLY expect people to buy into the claim that the US is intentionally supplying troops and weapons to the Iraqi insurgents??
I mean, seriously.. That's one of those far-out conspiracy theories along the lines that Cheney, the CIA, MOSSAD and The Girl Scouts were behind the 9/11 attacks...
I mean, HONESTLY.. Who could POSSIBLY believe such a whacked out conspiracy theory??
Especially since you haven't been able to provide even one IOTA of proof.
Keep yer tin foil hat on tight, son.. Yer gonna need it. :D
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 10:42 ]
[42]
CDub wrote:
My point exactly. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it, and this site isn't worthy of your support.
You're so confident that you're correct that I would have expected it to be worth $260 just to make me eat my words, or perhaps learn something you didn't know.
A fool takes all he can see. You see victory in petty attacks and specious claims, but it's beyond your imagination that you've missed things of real value.
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 11:02 ]
[43]
Michale wrote:
I was also told that Elvis is singing at Panama Hatties on the beach in St Augustine..
I didn't believe that either...
By all the evidence I am the only open minded one here amongst all the posters and responders..
But I am not so open-minded that I can't recognize partisan BS when I see it..
And that is all you seem to have to offer. Unproven, UNPROVABLE partisan BS...
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 11:10 ]
[44]
Michale wrote:
I mean, look at these last few days...
You people's arguments have been reduced to
"I know you are but what am I?"
"I am going to take my toys and go home!!"
and the ever popular..
"I'm ignoring you! Neener Neener Neener!!!"
With advocates like this, no wonder the Democrats have such a PR crisis.... :^/
Like I said above... If ya'all can't hang with the big dogs, then get yer asses up on the porch and stay there... :D
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 11:15 ]
[45]
CDub wrote:
$325? Am I getting closer?
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 13:14 ]
[46]
Michale wrote:
Dogs barking, can't fly home without umbrella.
Michale.....
[ Permalink ] [ Friday, October 5th, 2007 at 13:34 ]
"Do you HONESTLY expect people to buy into the claim that the US is intentionally supplying troops and weapons to the Iraqi insurgents??"
Well, see, it's all in how you phrase it. "intentionally" -- no, I don't believe that's true, but Gen. Petraeus himself was in charge of passing out weapons, and now we can't account for 190,000 of them. Don't you think it's possible that some of those weapons are being used against US soldiers today? "insurgents" -- well, no, we're not supplying what we are presently calling "insurgents" however we are indeed supplying groups of people (Sunnis) who not so very long ago were being called "insurgents" as well. This, it should be pointed out, is annoying the heck out of Maliki and the Shiites. So while your statement is technically correct, it's not as black and white as all that. There are grey areas. Of course the US isn't arming groups that are attacking US soldiers (right now), but it's entirely possible that US weapons are being used against us.
And there you go on the Girl Scouts again. Dammit, I'm still buying their cookies! Heh heh.
And while I have to say to CDub that the site is free for everyone to enjoy (or be annoyed by) and I do not charge anyone...
(coughs behind hand... ahem... h'rum...)
...I have indeed added buttons for contributions to the cost of the upkeep of the site. So while I don't charge subscriptions... I've made it painlessly easy to donate using PayPal or Visa/MC.
OK, I just couldn't resist!
:-)
-CW
[ Permalink ] [ Saturday, October 6th, 2007 at 16:18 ]
[48]
CWCunningham wrote:
Thanks for the compliments Michale and dapper!
I do appreciate them. I can't believe this cartoon generated so many comments but I guess it is a bit controversial.
@CW
I wish I'd known the site was free, my next cartoon was going to be a 50 cents off coupon ... or ... read 2 paragraphs, get one FREE.
(Can I get my money back?) hehehe
[ Permalink ] [ Sunday, October 7th, 2007 at 07:50 ]
While acknowledging the humor of the cartoon :D it does bring up a serious point.. As political cartoons are wont to do.. :D
The idea that Bush et al might use civilian mercenaries to instigate an "incident" with Iran to allow for a US "response"...
Now that I have ya'all in a tither screaming how wrong that would be, consider this..
Unsubstantiated rumors and reports had FDR knowing about the attack on Pearl Harbor. He declined to do anything about is as he knew that the US's entry into WWII was necessary to the world's survival.
So, to be objective, you have to consider the FDR/Pearl Harbor, or The Dead Zone scenario. Insofar that our attacking Iran might be a GOOD thing....
Any takers?? :D
Michale.....
And then, of course, we have the story that the radical and hysterical Left DOESN'T want anyone to know...
US military deaths in Iraq lowest in 14 months....
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070930130445.qafstsne&show_article=1
Michale.....
Michale wrote:
And then, of course, we have the story that the radical and hysterical Left DOESN'T want anyone to know…
US military deaths in Iraq lowest in 14 months….
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Darn those ever present (in Michale's mind) radical and hysterical left. And then, of course, the facts Michale hopes you'll miss:
Last years military death count, 822.
This years count 802, and the numbers for September are not yet complete.
Which doesn't change the fact that the US Deaths in the month of September are the lowest that have been since July 2006..
But thanx for proving my point.. Regardless of the facts, the hysterical and radical Left will spin anything to show that the USA is in the wrong..
Let me ask you something.. What has happened to you that would cause you to hate your own country so much that you would support it's enemies??
You remind me of Cindy Sheehan who actually PRAISED the scumbags who killed her own son...
Michale.....
Your radical hysteria is showing Michale.
When the USA is wrong, it's wrong, whether you like it or not.
I've never expressed hatred for my country, and I will never support it's enemies. I've hand built technologies that have been used to train military pilots for the last 25 years. I've personally designed technologies in use the world over by the US air force protecting the lives of pilots and their passengers. I've personally designed technologies that are used to manage and maintain one of the largest stocks of WMD's known to man, right here in the USA. I will never support fascism or terrorism, so when my government becomes fascist, and uses terrorism tactics, I will not be silent.
So the 63 who died in September, how much better off are they due to the fact that more died 14 months ago?
>When the USA is wrong, it's wrong,
>whether you like it or not.
I completely agree.. WHEN the USA is wrong, it is wrong..
But that is a far cry from actively supporting the USA's enemies, which is what you do...
>I will never support it's enemies.
That's not what you said with regards to Iran...
>I will never support fascism or terrorism,
Yet you completely and unequivocally support Iran, which is THE largest exporter of terrorism in the world..
Sorry, but you have made your bed.. Now don't bitch at me because you don't want to lie in it..
>So the 63 who died in September,
>how much better off are they due
>to the fact that more died 14 months
>ago?
They are better off because they know that less of their comrades and fellow Americans are dying...
Unlike others, they believe that there are things worth fighting for...
Sadly, that's something that you, apparently, will never understand...
Michale.....
But, once again, you side-step the original question. You seem really good at side-stepping questions you have no answer for...
Since Iran IS a terrorist-supporting nation then doesn't it make sense to confront it BEFORE it arms itself with nuclear weapons rather than afterwards??
Michale.....
The original question?
Let's see, so far in this thread, you've asked 2 questions:
Any takers??
-and-
Let me ask you something.. What has happened to you that would cause you to hate your own country so much that you would support it's enemies??
I certainly answered the second question, and I'm confident that the first question will answer itself.
And for the record, I'm not only adept at sidestepping questions for which I have no answer, I'm equally adept at sidestepping questions for which I do have answers.
Now a question for you, why do you unequivocally support fascism, torture, and war crimes to subvert democracies??
Unlike you, I have NO PROBLEM answering questions without any ambigiuty or evasiveness whatsoever..
>Now a question for you, why do
>you unequivocally support fascism,
>torture, and war crimes to subvert
>democracies??
I don't...
And nothing I have stated to date could be construed as otherwise..
You, on the other hand, are on record as stating that you support Iran against the United States. A country which has been PROVEN to be a sponsor of terrorism.. A country which has all but been proven to be killing US Soldiers in Iraq..
With your support of Iran, you really have absolutely NO RIGHT to call yourself an American citizen... You should do EVERYONE a favor and renounce your American citizenship (if you haven't done so already) and move to Iran where you can support your chosen government...
Now, do you have any other questions???
Michale.....
Michale wrote:
Unlike you, I have NO PROBLEM answering questions without any ambigiuty or evasiveness whatsoever..
~~~~~
So, that plus $0.25 will get you the down payment on the interest for a cup of coffee at Starbuck's.
~~~~~
>Now a question for you, why do
>you unequivocally support fascism,
>torture, and war crimes to subvert
>democracies??
I don't…
And nothing I have stated to date could be construed as otherwise..
~~~~~
You say, "I don't", but I can easily produce evidence in your own words to show that you're fine with torture, and that you support terrorism against democratic governments, even calling it patriotic.
So you answered the question, just not honestly.
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You, on the other hand, are on record as stating that you support Iran against the United States. A country which has been PROVEN to be a sponsor of terrorism.. A country which has all but been proven to be killing US Soldiers in Iraq..
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First, prove that I've ever supported Iran against the United States, don't hold your breath while doing it because next you'll have to prove that Iran is a proven sponsor of terrorism, and last, you'll need to prove that the Iranian government is killing US soldiers in Iraq. I'd bet that more American soldiers are killed by American weapons in Iraq than are killed by Iranian weapons. So should Blackwater be able to sell weapons to insurgents, but not Iranians? Should we bomb Blackwater the same day that we bomb Iran?
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With your support of Iran, you really have absolutely NO RIGHT to call yourself an American citizen… You should do EVERYONE a favor and renounce your American citizenship (if you haven't done so already) and move to Iran where you can support your chosen government…
~~~~~
Your hysterical blather duly noted, now show any evidence that I've ever supported Iran.
If I were forced to renounce an American's citizenship, I'd find out who's got you brainwashed, and exile them to the farthest reaches.
~~~~~
Now, do you have any other questions???
~~~~~
Many, but I'd prefer to engage honest, intelligent people. No offense, but my niece could predict what you'll say next, and to quote the TV ad, "She's 3-1/2 years old".
>You say, "I don't", but I can easily
>produce evidence in your own words
>to show that you're fine with torture,
No you cannot and to state you could is simply a bald-faced lie..
No CIVILIZED person could POSSIBLY be "fine" with torture..
You either produce the quote to where I said I was "FINE" with torture or recant your accusation..
Right here.. RIGHT now...
>and that you support terrorism
>against democratic governments,
>even calling it patriotic.
Provide proof or STFU.... (That means SHUT THE FUCK UP in usenet terms, in case you are NET-challenged. Just FYI.. :D )
I'll be waiting on your proof or your recantation...
>that Iran is a proven sponsor of terrorism
Iran supports and sponsors Hezbollah and Hamas... Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist orgainizations..
You aren't very good at this, are you??
Or are you denying that Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist orgainizations..
As for the Iranians supporting the Iraqi insurgency, do you really deny this?? Because it has been widely reported by such liberal news organizations as CNN, NBC, CBS and a host of others...
So, if you deny it, just let me know and I will show you for the .... ahem.. uninformed person you appear to be...
You said that the US would be committing "war crimes" if it attacked Iran.. Ergo, you support Iran...
Consequently, you support a state sponsor of terrorism against your own country..
I believe that makes you a traitor...
>now show any evidence that I've
>ever supported Iran.
I just did... Unless you want to deny that you made such claims...
Now, do you want to answer any of my questions?? Or are you going to run and hide... AGAIN???
Michale.....
Hello??? Hello???? McFly????
tap...tap...tap...
Is this on....?????
Michale.....
!!! Disclaimer time !!!
When I drew this cartoon, I wasn't trying to suggest a false flag operation. In light of this Tuesday's article, I thought I should clarify a few points.
My point was just that the Bush administration has been trying to spin Iran into a war for years now, and what better spin than calling "fire from the east" as confirmation of an Iranian attack?
Labeling the enemy combatant as "Blackwater" was just sort of serendipity since they'll shoot at anything, and until recently, they've been under the impression that they can get away with it. The jury is still out over whether they will be held to account. I can easily picture them apologizing when it's discovered that they were shooting at US soldiers, and claiming, "Sorry, we thought you were an unarmed civilian."
Also, the spokesman was just supposed to be a generic character without any resemblance to anyone in particular. The fact that he ended up looking like Bush was entirely accidental and a testament to how poor I am at this stuff.
!!! Disclaimer ends !!!
This reminds me of a story told by Isaac Asimov (poorly paraphrased)
where an audience member takes him aside after a lecture to discuss the meaning of one of his books. Asimov informed him that the meaning under discussion was not what the book was about, to which the audience member replied, "What makes you think you know what the book is about?"
Just an addendum to CWCunningham's note.
I added the title "A Clear And Present Danger" to his work, because I thought it covered a lot of reactions to the cartoon. You'll notice I didn't identify WHAT was a clear and present danger... I leave that for you to decide.
-CW
Michale wrote:
No CIVILIZED person could POSSIBLY be "fine" with torture..
You either produce the quote to where I said I was "FINE" with torture or recant your accusation..
Right here.. RIGHT now…
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Have you forgotten writing these words?
"Torture is simply a tool. And, like all tools it can be wielded incorrectly to further the goals of very bad men doing very disgusting things... Or it could be used by very good men to save innocent lives.. It's a tool.. The fact that evil (I hate to get into religious sounding dogma, but the word fits) things have been done with the tool does not make it any less effective in doing good.
Michale - 9/21/2006"
And have you forgotten these words?
"He is, undeniably, a patriotic American.. There isn't anyone on the Democratic side of things who has an iota of the integrity that Col. North has.."
So there's proof that you support torture and terrorism against democracies, even calling it patriotic.
By the way, where's the proof that I've ever supported Iran? Your railing on about Iran has nothing to do with me. You'll have to do better than just claiming I've supported Iran ... once again, don't hold your breath 'cause it never happened.
No I haven't forgotten any of my words..
Nowhere did I say that torture is "fine" and "patriotic"..
Thank you for your concession of that..
>By the way, where's the proof
>that I've ever supported Iran?
Do you deny stating that, if the US attacks Iran, it would be a "war crime".
You stated unequivocally that if the US attacked Iran, it would be a 'war crime'. You did not allow for the possibility (as any non partisan person would) that Iran may commit some attack or such on the US or it's allies.
That is support of Iran. Pure and simple...
Now, if you want to alter your statement, I am listening...
Michale.....
I never claimed that you called torture patriotic, just that you are fine with it. You've actually defended torture so many times in the last 3 years that it's not unfathomable to find you stating it explicitly, but it's not worth the time since you'll never be honest about it anyway.
I did say that you found terrorism against democracies to be patriotic, and I backed up that claim.
As for supporting Iran against the US, you really have to stretch there don't you (nothing new I understand). An illegal war is a war crime under international law. The Bush administration gyrated and spun day and night for months to try to hide the fact that they were going to embark upon an illegal war in Iraq. They built all sorts of lofty claims as justification to attack a country unprovoked, but the whole thing was a house of cards that tumbled down. They even outed a CIA agent in an attempt to cover their tracks, all to no avail. Everybody knows that the Iraq war was a war crime, some like you will keep spinning and gyrating over that lost cause.
Now the spin is being directed towards Iran, but now the administration has an even higher bar to reach in order to sell an illegal war. In fact, even if they can drum up conclusive proof of provocation, the world will not believe them.
I wouldn't put it past this administration to engineer a false flag attack to justify war (which is a war crime) because they're itching to embark on another really stupid way to funnel money from China into halliburton, and leave the bill to generations of American's yet unborn. But this really sets them up to get caught, Iran could probably engineer a false, false flag attack and let Bush and Cheney spin themselves right into the Hague.
All of these Bush wars are designed to benefit very few, and I'm not one of them, so don't expect me to pretend that Bush wars are some patriotic endeavor ... Where's Osama?
"TORTURE
This is the issue that brought me to this forum. First off, let's use the term "Coercive Interrogations" (CIs) because that is actually more what the President is pushing, rather than outright torture. There is NO VALID REASON to halt CIs and VERY VALID REASONS to continue them.
Michale 9/16/2006"
Once again, you cannot provide any shred of evidence that I have ever been "fine" with torture..
You have obviously researched my posting history extensively and yet you still cannot find ANY post where I have said I was "fine" with torture..
Of course I have stated many times (of which I am sure you know but will not post) is that torture is wrong. it IS bad.. I have stated that many MANY times...
So, to sum up.. I have never claimed that torture is "fine" or good and your claim to the contrary is a bald faced lie..
As to Iran, it is a supporter of terrorism and terrorist groups. FACT It is arming the Iraqi insurgency and supplying materials and troops that are killing American soldiers. FACT
This being the case, technically, we are already at war with Iran, with them drawing first blood. Ergo, any action taken by the Bush Administration would be retaliatory in nature. This would stand up in ANY international court of law and such action is FULLY within the auspices of the United Nations charter.
Ergo, your unequivocal claim that an attack against Iran would constitute a "war crime" is not supported by anything other then your fevered and hysterical anti-American sentiments.
Michale.....
I think your words speak for themselves. Though I don't expect you to "see" it, because honesty hurts your cause.
And this:
"As to Iran, it is a supporter of terrorism and terrorist groups. FACT It is arming the Iraqi insurgency and supplying materials and troops that are killing American soldiers. FACT
Michale 10/03/2007"
Replace Iran with the USA and every claim made remains FACT.
Now which part of America are you proposing we invade.
In the, "You learn something new every day" department, Did you know that Bush and Cheney have been indicted on 31 charges in international courts for war crimes committed in Afghanistan? I didn't either, and I watch at least 5 news channels a day. And the court convened before the invasion of Iraq. It will be interesting to know what the current indictment count is, but it's hard to get information in this country.
Q: Where's this liberal bias for Americans interested in facts?
A: In Rush Limbaugh's rhetoric.
>Replace Iran with the USA and every
>claim made remains FACT.
Prove it....
You have made the claim that Col North provided support for terrorist groups, but never backed it up..
Prove that the US is intentionally arming the Iraqi insurgency with troops and weapons..
Prove that those intentionally US supplied troops and weapons are killing US troops..
Prove those assertions with facts, not your hysterical and irrational opinions...
Michale.....
What?
I included the word (all uppercase) FACT, the same as you used as proof of your assertions. Are you suggesting that you're prepared to go beyond mere claims and show proof?
... I'm waiting.
Nice dodge... Actually, it was a pretty lame dodge but I was trying to be nice to you..
I have already shown that Iran supports and funds terrorist groups..
http://newsblaze.com/story/20060716181855nnnn.nb/topstory.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185662,00.html
http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060220/3/2g4qr.html
http://www.mideastweb.org/hamashistory.htm
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/070709/2007070911.html
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2002/7049.htm
http://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/article/57
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/833900.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/22/wmeast122.xml
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7242
Iran provides material support and troops to the Iraq insurgency.. Iranian supplies and troops have been captured in Iraq..
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1692347&page=1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4136856.stm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-weapons.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/11/AR2007021100479.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSWBT00754320070910?src=091007_1552_TOPSTORY_troops_can_be_cut
http://www.myantiwar.org/view/130880.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4960478.stm
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070625232254.etwt6z5u&show_article=1
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070323/23iran.htm
Now, do you have even ONE link that even HINTS that the US has intentionally provided weapons to the Iraqi insurgents for the purposes of killing US soldiers.
Do you have even ONE link that even HINTS that the US has intentionally supplied US troops to the Iraqi insurgency for the purposes of killing US soldiers..
Do you??
No??
Didn't think so..
Yer dismissed...
Michale.....
You'll have to wait until CW gets up, as I posted a LOT of links.. :D
I'll be waiting for you to reciprocate with your proof that the US is intentionally supplying weapons and troops to the Iraqi insurgency...
Michale.....
[Chris Weigant responds]
OK, they're up! Jeez, I gotta sleep SOMEtime!
Heh heh.
-CW
No, you'll have to wait.
I enjoy teaching, but only the teachable.
I'm going to need $65/hr to research things you'll claim you don't believe.
Brave Sir Robin ran away....
Bravely ran away away...
When danger reared it's ugly head...
He bravely turned his tail and fled....
Game....
Set.........
Match............
Michale.....
What?
You can't afford to pay me for doing your research?
Ok, run away then.
Yer just too damn easy... :D
Michale......
Dear Mr. Cunningham,
I really enjoyed this cartoon, it was *Spot-On*. Kudos on ya! Agape.
@CDub
I accept your concession.....
Michale.....
I did offer to research it for you didn't I?
I will concede that the truth is not worth much to you.
But I'll tell you what, you make a pay-pal contribution to this site in the amount of $65 And you'll be getting a 2 for one deal. Supporting your favorite site and finding out that even I can produce links.
A genuine bargain ... unless you're ready to concede that the truth is not what you're really interested in.
>I did offer to research it for you didn't I?
What exactly did you offer to research?? That the US has, in fact, intentionally supplied Iraqi insurgents with arms and troops???
So, let me get this straight..
You made the claim WITHOUT doing the research first??
Why am I not surprised...
>I will concede that the truth is
>not worth much to you.
That is your opinion, unsupported by facts..
I research my claims before the fact and then back them up after the fact.
You apparently, do neither..
So let me see if I understand you..
You want me to pay you $65 to do "research" to support claims that you have already made as fact???
Shaking head sadly Only a Democrat.....
Michale.....
No, I want you to support Chris Weigant to the tune of $65. He puts a lot of work into this site, unpaid, and you come along and piss on all his readers. $65 isn't so much to ask is it, hell make it a hundred.
You sure are pretty extravagant with other people's money...
Like I said shaking head sadly "Only a Democrat"..
As far as pissing on all his readers, if you call trying to get ya'all to see that you and your Democrats are just as flawed and wrong as the GOP counterparts you castigate... If you call that "pissing", well I guess that's your opinion...
Michale.....
Perhaps you will learn a lesson..
Don't make bogus and grandiose claims and then expect to be paid to research the validity of said claims AFTER you make them..
You are just like the HCGW lunkheads who make wild-assed alarmist claims and then have to recant them when REAL science proves them wrong..
Thank god a judge in Britain has finally ruled that AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH is a partisan political piece and NOT science..
There IS hope for this world after all...
Michale.....
$100 extravagant after all the work Chris does on your behalf? I'd have thought just the repair of your italics attributes might be worth that to you.
I learned a lesson, but I learned that long ago. Michale is not interested in facts, and so any time spent educating him is time up in smoke. He will deny and attack ... it's what he does.
Not that I mind backing up my claims, but since you will get nothing out of it, I just thought somebody should ... why not everybody who enjoys this site, including you?
Just not worth it for you eh, oh well.
>$100 extravagant after all the work Chris
>does on your behalf?
You seem to be of the mind that CW puts this site up for me..
I can assure you that such is not the case..
I am certain that CW puts this site up for people to debate and argue the issues that he presents and brings to our attention....
Don't get pithy with me just because the likes of you, Gass and Spermy simply can't hang with the big dogs... :D
>Not that I mind backing up my claims,
Then, by all means, do so...
I am certain it's not for lack of desire..
It's for lack of capability and credibility....
Michale.....
Ha ha, can't hang with the big dogs.
That's rich.
If the big dogs want to hang themselves, that's fine with me, but rather than hang with them, I'll make popcorn and pitch in a few lawn-chairs.
Sure, I'll back up my claims, let's make it $130. Eventually I'll hit a price that you'll find suitable.
>Sure, I'll back up my claims,
Have at it...
Oh that's right..
I forgot..
You can't... :D
Michale.....
$195 comes to mind, but let's hear your bid
What are facts worth to you?
Seriously, CDub..
Do you HONESTLY expect people to buy into the claim that the US is intentionally supplying troops and weapons to the Iraqi insurgents??
I mean, seriously.. That's one of those far-out conspiracy theories along the lines that Cheney, the CIA, MOSSAD and The Girl Scouts were behind the 9/11 attacks...
I mean, HONESTLY.. Who could POSSIBLY believe such a whacked out conspiracy theory??
Especially since you haven't been able to provide even one IOTA of proof.
Keep yer tin foil hat on tight, son.. Yer gonna need it. :D
Michale.....
My point exactly. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it, and this site isn't worthy of your support.
You're so confident that you're correct that I would have expected it to be worth $260 just to make me eat my words, or perhaps learn something you didn't know.
A fool takes all he can see. You see victory in petty attacks and specious claims, but it's beyond your imagination that you've missed things of real value.
I was also told that Elvis is singing at Panama Hatties on the beach in St Augustine..
I didn't believe that either...
By all the evidence I am the only open minded one here amongst all the posters and responders..
But I am not so open-minded that I can't recognize partisan BS when I see it..
And that is all you seem to have to offer. Unproven, UNPROVABLE partisan BS...
Michale.....
I mean, look at these last few days...
You people's arguments have been reduced to
"I know you are but what am I?"
"I am going to take my toys and go home!!"
and the ever popular..
"I'm ignoring you! Neener Neener Neener!!!"
With advocates like this, no wonder the Democrats have such a PR crisis.... :^/
Like I said above... If ya'all can't hang with the big dogs, then get yer asses up on the porch and stay there... :D
Michale.....
$325? Am I getting closer?
Dogs barking, can't fly home without umbrella.
Michale.....
Michale -
"Do you HONESTLY expect people to buy into the claim that the US is intentionally supplying troops and weapons to the Iraqi insurgents??"
Well, see, it's all in how you phrase it. "intentionally" -- no, I don't believe that's true, but Gen. Petraeus himself was in charge of passing out weapons, and now we can't account for 190,000 of them. Don't you think it's possible that some of those weapons are being used against US soldiers today? "insurgents" -- well, no, we're not supplying what we are presently calling "insurgents" however we are indeed supplying groups of people (Sunnis) who not so very long ago were being called "insurgents" as well. This, it should be pointed out, is annoying the heck out of Maliki and the Shiites. So while your statement is technically correct, it's not as black and white as all that. There are grey areas. Of course the US isn't arming groups that are attacking US soldiers (right now), but it's entirely possible that US weapons are being used against us.
And there you go on the Girl Scouts again. Dammit, I'm still buying their cookies! Heh heh.
And while I have to say to CDub that the site is free for everyone to enjoy (or be annoyed by) and I do not charge anyone...
(coughs behind hand... ahem... h'rum...)
...I have indeed added buttons for contributions to the cost of the upkeep of the site. So while I don't charge subscriptions... I've made it painlessly easy to donate using PayPal or Visa/MC.
OK, I just couldn't resist!
:-)
-CW
Thanks for the compliments Michale and dapper!
I do appreciate them. I can't believe this cartoon generated so many comments but I guess it is a bit controversial.
@CW
I wish I'd known the site was free, my next cartoon was going to be a 50 cents off coupon ... or ... read 2 paragraphs, get one FREE.
(Can I get my money back?) hehehe